lollo88
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by lollo88 on May 31, 2019 11:10:41 GMT 1, Maybe i am off with this idea, but it seems to me like this constant increase of frequency to which prints get released has killed a big part of the secondary market.
Not necessary talking about prints value, just that most collectors know that if they missed out on a release, something else will probably come up soon.
Of course there still is that specific piece that you look for, but it looks like market has gone down lately and I tend to blame this constant shooting of releases for it.
What do you guys think?
Maybe i am off with this idea, but it seems to me like this constant increase of frequency to which prints get released has killed a big part of the secondary market.
Not necessary talking about prints value, just that most collectors know that if they missed out on a release, something else will probably come up soon.
Of course there still is that specific piece that you look for, but it looks like market has gone down lately and I tend to blame this constant shooting of releases for it.
What do you guys think?
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Express Post
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Express Post on May 31, 2019 11:21:50 GMT 1, Each artist have their own markets.
David Shrigley has cannibalised his own market.
Whatson is still solid.
Oli Epp flips pretty well, as would Pejac too if he were to release a print. Invader, insect, Jonas Wood and kaws are solid.
There are a handful of artists that have healthy secondary markets.
Which artists were you referring to?
Each artist have their own markets.
David Shrigley has cannibalised his own market.
Whatson is still solid.
Oli Epp flips pretty well, as would Pejac too if he were to release a print. Invader, insect, Jonas Wood and kaws are solid.
There are a handful of artists that have healthy secondary markets.
Which artists were you referring to?
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Jaylove
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Jaylove on May 31, 2019 11:59:38 GMT 1, I’m not sure if the market has changed, but my attitude has. Having been buying for a few years now it’s rare that I get overly upset at missing out on a release, and never do I compensate by making a quick buy on the secondary market. As said above, you get to know that there will always be another release in the near future, so why feed the flipping frenzy. The exception, I’d say, is Banksy as you can never be sure if his latest release will be the last. But Pejac, Invader, Oli Epp etc... hopefully they’ll be going for a while and providing more opportunities to buy at cost.
Exactly. I used to anticipate releases weeks in advance. Now I forget about em and don't even get mad when I miss them. There's so much out there and artists are dropping releases more frequently.
This reminds me of the sneaker game some years ago where Jordans and other rare sneakers were going for so much money on the secondary market. That all changed when Nike started dropping way more releases and bigger editions.
I’m not sure if the market has changed, but my attitude has. Having been buying for a few years now it’s rare that I get overly upset at missing out on a release, and never do I compensate by making a quick buy on the secondary market. As said above, you get to know that there will always be another release in the near future, so why feed the flipping frenzy. The exception, I’d say, is Banksy as you can never be sure if his latest release will be the last. But Pejac, Invader, Oli Epp etc... hopefully they’ll be going for a while and providing more opportunities to buy at cost. Exactly. I used to anticipate releases weeks in advance. Now I forget about em and don't even get mad when I miss them. There's so much out there and artists are dropping releases more frequently. This reminds me of the sneaker game some years ago where Jordans and other rare sneakers were going for so much money on the secondary market. That all changed when Nike started dropping way more releases and bigger editions. |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by bigmoo on May 31, 2019 12:00:23 GMT 1, Coat tail opportunism for many producers. Much of the output of the past decade will be charity shop bound in the next few years. Not that is any reason to dump if you truly like it.
If
Coat tail opportunism for many producers. Much of the output of the past decade will be charity shop bound in the next few years. Not that is any reason to dump if you truly like it.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Express Post on May 31, 2019 12:37:41 GMT 1, Charity shop is too kind. Trash can more like it.
Coat tail opportunism for many producers. Much of the output of the past decade will be charity shop bound in the next few years. Not that is any reason to dump if you truly like it. If
Charity shop is too kind. Trash can more like it. Coat tail opportunism for many producers. Much of the output of the past decade will be charity shop bound in the next few years. Not that is any reason to dump if you truly like it. If |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by orchid on May 31, 2019 13:15:06 GMT 1, Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely.
Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely.
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iamzero
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by iamzero on May 31, 2019 13:33:30 GMT 1, I think the whole scene has eaten itself and is dull for me now. The artist I like are too highly priced at source and the stuff I might thought about taking at punt on are overpriced too. This forum has attracted the people that can throw large sums at Jonas Wood Etc. Not for me anymore.
I think the whole scene has eaten itself and is dull for me now. The artist I like are too highly priced at source and the stuff I might thought about taking at punt on are overpriced too. This forum has attracted the people that can throw large sums at Jonas Wood Etc. Not for me anymore.
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lukin56
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by lukin56 on May 31, 2019 14:13:54 GMT 1, Maybe i am off with this idea, but it seems to me like this constant increase of frequency to which prints get released has killed a big part of the secondary market. Not necessary talking about prints value, just that most collectors know that if they missed out on a release, something else will probably come up soon. Of course there still is that specific piece that you look for, but it looks like market has gone down lately and I tend to blame this constant shooting of releases for it. What do you guys think?
This is most certainly true as it pertains to certain artists but it’s nothing new. Some artists tend to pump out work and editions of which causes their secondary to suffer. Sometimes it’s driven by the artists themselves but more often it’s poor management of said artist. Their work may gain vast popularity overnight and instead of managing that demand properly, decisions are made to try and get something in everyone’s hands. This floods the market and slowly kills it, most collectors don’t want what everyone can have.
Flip side is to continue releasing work at a consistent but slower pace. This could be 1-2 prints a year and a show every couple years or so. While doing this, the artist will irritate fans as their work becomes “unobtainable” for some but that’s something good management can handle. I’m veering off path here but if you buy art not only for the love but also an investment, it’s important to look beyond the artist themselves but rather who surrounds them.
Maybe i am off with this idea, but it seems to me like this constant increase of frequency to which prints get released has killed a big part of the secondary market. Not necessary talking about prints value, just that most collectors know that if they missed out on a release, something else will probably come up soon. Of course there still is that specific piece that you look for, but it looks like market has gone down lately and I tend to blame this constant shooting of releases for it. What do you guys think? This is most certainly true as it pertains to certain artists but it’s nothing new. Some artists tend to pump out work and editions of which causes their secondary to suffer. Sometimes it’s driven by the artists themselves but more often it’s poor management of said artist. Their work may gain vast popularity overnight and instead of managing that demand properly, decisions are made to try and get something in everyone’s hands. This floods the market and slowly kills it, most collectors don’t want what everyone can have. Flip side is to continue releasing work at a consistent but slower pace. This could be 1-2 prints a year and a show every couple years or so. While doing this, the artist will irritate fans as their work becomes “unobtainable” for some but that’s something good management can handle. I’m veering off path here but if you buy art not only for the love but also an investment, it’s important to look beyond the artist themselves but rather who surrounds them. |
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CREAM
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by CREAM on May 31, 2019 15:24:18 GMT 1, KAWS is most certainly more a contemporary artist than a street artist these days. Of course his roots are in the streets from tagging and the bus ads but whens the last time he painted a piece in the streets? Gonna be thinking a while on that one.
KAWS is most certainly more a contemporary artist than a street artist these days. Of course his roots are in the streets from tagging and the bus ads but whens the last time he painted a piece in the streets? Gonna be thinking a while on that one.
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coller
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by coller on May 31, 2019 15:45:13 GMT 1, yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit.
yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by orchid on May 31, 2019 15:49:16 GMT 1, Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely. Kaws not urban or street ? you have a lot to learn
Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours?
Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely. Kaws not urban or street ? you have a lot to learn Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:00:26 GMT 1, yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit.
yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit. I agree. I don't think KAWS has done anything remotely interesting for many years now. I'm genuinely surprised at how popular he still is. |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:07:15 GMT 1, KAWS has repeatedly mentioned in interviews he doesn't do street art anymore. This has been for awhile now. He quickly mentions new security technology in one the interviews as well.
Sneakerheads have pounced on this print market like no other and artist are now making prints every week while increasing their retail prince. This will all end very poorly and very soon for street art. Unless you really like a certain print... just sell it.
Again Street Art in the US and parts of europe is now mostly DEAD. In the US for sure. It's all now being back by huge corporate groups to help sell land or apartments. This has been the way in NYC, LA and Miami for years now. Also a $3.5k for a cut up KAWS left over says it all.
Multiple conventions like Complexcons a year, and beyond the streets becoming a yearly thing won't help it either. If anything, these conventions will help kill this style of art even faster.
KAWS has repeatedly mentioned in interviews he doesn't do street art anymore. This has been for awhile now. He quickly mentions new security technology in one the interviews as well.
Sneakerheads have pounced on this print market like no other and artist are now making prints every week while increasing their retail prince. This will all end very poorly and very soon for street art. Unless you really like a certain print... just sell it.
Again Street Art in the US and parts of europe is now mostly DEAD. In the US for sure. It's all now being back by huge corporate groups to help sell land or apartments. This has been the way in NYC, LA and Miami for years now. Also a $3.5k for a cut up KAWS left over says it all.
Multiple conventions like Complexcons a year, and beyond the streets becoming a yearly thing won't help it either. If anything, these conventions will help kill this style of art even faster.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:13:16 GMT 1, I think Urban art is slowly dying a natural death. With just one or two exceptions, everybody seems to be copying everybody else.
Personally, I'm patiently waiting for the next big thing. It seems to be taking its time though.
I think Urban art is slowly dying a natural death. With just one or two exceptions, everybody seems to be copying everybody else.
Personally, I'm patiently waiting for the next big thing. It seems to be taking its time though.
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touchdowntodd
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by touchdowntodd on May 31, 2019 16:51:42 GMT 1, KAWS has repeatedly mentioned in interviews he doesn't do street art anymore. This has been for awhile now. He quickly mentions new security technology in one the interviews as well. Sneakerheads have pounced on this print market like no other and artist are now making prints every week while increasing their retail prince. This will all end very poorly and very soon for street art. Unless you really like a certain print... just sell it. Again Street Art in the US and parts of europe is now mostly DEAD. In the US for sure. It's all now being back by huge corporate groups to help sell land or apartments. This has been the way in NYC, LA and Miami for years now. Also a $3.5k for a cut up KAWS left over says it all. Multiple conventions like Complexcons a year, and beyond the streets becoming a yearly thing won't help it either. If anything, these conventions will help kill this style of art even faster.
While your argument had some valid points, you also sound like people in the 80s that hated on contemporary artists that are now considered blue Chip because they preferred a different style and time of art....
You're forgetting that everything you seem to detest is in fact opening art to hundreds of thousands of new eyes everyday...
Some are definitely over hyped, but you definitely don't need to stay only in the streets to remain relevant or keep street cred .. if you could paint and enjoy gallery freedom, studio time, etc you would over street hustle, being broke, and running from the police
Nothing will be what it was, but it's a beautiful time in many ways. The "old guard" is slowly dying again. It's natural evolution.
KAWS has repeatedly mentioned in interviews he doesn't do street art anymore. This has been for awhile now. He quickly mentions new security technology in one the interviews as well. Sneakerheads have pounced on this print market like no other and artist are now making prints every week while increasing their retail prince. This will all end very poorly and very soon for street art. Unless you really like a certain print... just sell it. Again Street Art in the US and parts of europe is now mostly DEAD. In the US for sure. It's all now being back by huge corporate groups to help sell land or apartments. This has been the way in NYC, LA and Miami for years now. Also a $3.5k for a cut up KAWS left over says it all. Multiple conventions like Complexcons a year, and beyond the streets becoming a yearly thing won't help it either. If anything, these conventions will help kill this style of art even faster. While your argument had some valid points, you also sound like people in the 80s that hated on contemporary artists that are now considered blue Chip because they preferred a different style and time of art.... You're forgetting that everything you seem to detest is in fact opening art to hundreds of thousands of new eyes everyday... Some are definitely over hyped, but you definitely don't need to stay only in the streets to remain relevant or keep street cred .. if you could paint and enjoy gallery freedom, studio time, etc you would over street hustle, being broke, and running from the police Nothing will be what it was, but it's a beautiful time in many ways. The "old guard" is slowly dying again. It's natural evolution. |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by coller on May 31, 2019 17:28:07 GMT 1, yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit. I agree. I don't think KAWS has done anything remotely interesting for many years now. I'm genuinely surprised at how popular he still is.
"the art is a mindfuck" "crazy ass art" "colorful and abstract, what's not to like?"
deeeeeeep
loved this stuff:
yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit. I agree. I don't think KAWS has done anything remotely interesting for many years now. I'm genuinely surprised at how popular he still is. ask most ppl on this forum what they like about kaws' new art and the answer is usually pretty great. "the art is a mindfuck" "crazy ass art" "colorful and abstract, what's not to like?" deeeeeeep loved this stuff: |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by sleazus1slord on May 31, 2019 18:43:57 GMT 1, To OP's secondary market point, yes overproduction further dilutes the already over saturated market at the entry to mid-level. Nobody seems to be getting tired of paying $20k for retna canvases that are essentially elaborate tags only because he's established a niche market by painting buildings all over the world in his signature font for twenty some odd years. KAWS is a similar story with many differences, he built a lot of cache in the streets and on trains in the early 90's but that doesn't really have any influence on his current market or clientele. The graffiti background did help architect his whole style and personality tho, so you can't have one without the other. Interesting that the pieces we see selling for high numbers at auction don't resemble any of his illegal work, which sets him apart from many of his contemporaries like banksy and retna.
To OP's secondary market point, yes overproduction further dilutes the already over saturated market at the entry to mid-level. Nobody seems to be getting tired of paying $20k for retna canvases that are essentially elaborate tags only because he's established a niche market by painting buildings all over the world in his signature font for twenty some odd years. KAWS is a similar story with many differences, he built a lot of cache in the streets and on trains in the early 90's but that doesn't really have any influence on his current market or clientele. The graffiti background did help architect his whole style and personality tho, so you can't have one without the other. Interesting that the pieces we see selling for high numbers at auction don't resemble any of his illegal work, which sets him apart from many of his contemporaries like banksy and retna.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by teabaggins on May 31, 2019 19:37:11 GMT 1, Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost.
The only “streets” he’s painting on now days are the ones on the inside of museum shows. ...and Uniqlo (I guess their windows face the street)
Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost. The only “streets” he’s painting on now days are the ones on the inside of museum shows. ...and Uniqlo (I guess their windows face the street) |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by nobokov on May 31, 2019 19:41:17 GMT 1, Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost.
Kaws himself has said in interviews that he doesn't consider himself a street artist and hates being pigeonholed with specific labels. Even when he was doing street art, he didn't consider himself a street artist.
Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost. Kaws himself has said in interviews that he doesn't consider himself a street artist and hates being pigeonholed with specific labels. Even when he was doing street art, he didn't consider himself a street artist. |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Guy Denning on May 31, 2019 20:21:46 GMT 1, I liked it when the only people in the art world with 'portfolios' were the artists.
I liked it when the only people in the art world with 'portfolios' were the artists.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by walfredo on May 31, 2019 20:36:43 GMT 1, i seem to have this discussion a lot lately...i dont mind the higher prices, since the money is going to the artist...the bigger problem to me is the 'more of the same' from the artists that seem to do a lot of print releases...which leads to a lot of what other are saying about not being upset about missing a release...i love whatson, but how many scribble on things prints do you need....would love to see some progress to the work.
the bigger issue for me is the artists that are popular because of the sneakerheads and the flippers...its really seems like more of a bubble once the flippers get involved than a valued piece of art, if that makes sense...it also seems to stall the aforementioned growth of the artist.
as somebody relatively new to the scene, ive already begun to limit my print purchases to focus on affordable originals and new artists....i also never understood the god awful amounts of money people spend on Kaws and Supreme stuff....
i seem to have this discussion a lot lately...i dont mind the higher prices, since the money is going to the artist...the bigger problem to me is the 'more of the same' from the artists that seem to do a lot of print releases...which leads to a lot of what other are saying about not being upset about missing a release...i love whatson, but how many scribble on things prints do you need....would love to see some progress to the work.
the bigger issue for me is the artists that are popular because of the sneakerheads and the flippers...its really seems like more of a bubble once the flippers get involved than a valued piece of art, if that makes sense...it also seems to stall the aforementioned growth of the artist.
as somebody relatively new to the scene, ive already begun to limit my print purchases to focus on affordable originals and new artists....i also never understood the god awful amounts of money people spend on Kaws and Supreme stuff....
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by CREAM on May 31, 2019 20:43:35 GMT 1, If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys.
If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point.
If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys.
If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by orchid on May 31, 2019 21:04:49 GMT 1, Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost.
You can switch things round if you like but you said he's [he is] a 'street / urban artist'. He's not. Back to your time vessel.
Not anymore, not for many years. How's it in that time warp of yours? He is still the same artist stupid, and would not be. where he is today without being a street artist first and foremost. You can switch things round if you like but you said he's [he is] a 'street / urban artist'. He's not. Back to your time vessel. |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by walfredo on May 31, 2019 21:05:29 GMT 1, If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys. If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point.
If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys. If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point. i wasnt referring to kaws as blowing up because of that...i get he is established, i just dont see the love for his stuff in the same way that people love supreme...and i can think of a lot of other things to buy with that kinda $ |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by d.r. perseus on May 31, 2019 21:41:01 GMT 1, yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit. I agree. I don't think KAWS has done anything remotely interesting for many years now. I'm genuinely surprised at how popular he still is.
Interesting. I wasn’t a fan until I saw his prints framed up. Do note I will never owned one as priced out, but for me in the flesh the prints are obviously beyond vibrant. What I liked about them is how use of color pops in a way so as to not only mess with my eyes, they actually made me feel slightly uncomfortable. The ones I’ve seen I couldn’t take my eyes off them but also didn’t want to keep looking. I wouldn’t say disorienting but on some level, they were. Not much art does that to me. I think it felt nearly the same as all the artists that do multiple sets of eyes as I can feel myself trying to focus on a particular set of eyes but can’t. Similar to that
yea kaws hasn't been a street artist for a decade or more. i preferred his subvertising works, wish he'd revisit. I agree. I don't think KAWS has done anything remotely interesting for many years now. I'm genuinely surprised at how popular he still is. Interesting. I wasn’t a fan until I saw his prints framed up. Do note I will never owned one as priced out, but for me in the flesh the prints are obviously beyond vibrant. What I liked about them is how use of color pops in a way so as to not only mess with my eyes, they actually made me feel slightly uncomfortable. The ones I’ve seen I couldn’t take my eyes off them but also didn’t want to keep looking. I wouldn’t say disorienting but on some level, they were. Not much art does that to me. I think it felt nearly the same as all the artists that do multiple sets of eyes as I can feel myself trying to focus on a particular set of eyes but can’t. Similar to that |
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by tab1 on Jun 1, 2019 4:04:01 GMT 1, Lots of different factors
When new to the scene / collecting hobby most are not aware of many artists and keep adding to their collections and chase on the secondary market once they discover new artists pushing prices up .Once collecting for a while realise two folders of prints stored under the bed that will not realistically be displayed and cease chasing on the secondary market and their tastes mature in art and instead of collecting what is mostly discussed or hyped by others now purchase their own desired tastes .
Plenty of posts on here asking who's hot , who to follow , next to blow up etc! Some people feel the need to buy to take advantage of a profit margin if the artists becomes popular, these people eventually buy less.
Galleries / print houses over exposing their artists , constant releases , re releases and edition sizes increasing three fold puts collectors off , as collectors like limited editions , hard to source pieces etc collectors purchase excessively and constantly with their favourite artist in some cases once these collectors get fed up these are the majority that effect secondary prices as they usually are prepared to pay higher prices than an average or new buyer.
Prices at source are more expensive than 5 years ago , £100-£150 now £300/£500 most new releases even by new artists.
Take a popular artist and count up all their popular releases in the last 3 years , they flood their market , more options for buyers.
Lots of different factors
When new to the scene / collecting hobby most are not aware of many artists and keep adding to their collections and chase on the secondary market once they discover new artists pushing prices up .Once collecting for a while realise two folders of prints stored under the bed that will not realistically be displayed and cease chasing on the secondary market and their tastes mature in art and instead of collecting what is mostly discussed or hyped by others now purchase their own desired tastes .
Plenty of posts on here asking who's hot , who to follow , next to blow up etc! Some people feel the need to buy to take advantage of a profit margin if the artists becomes popular, these people eventually buy less.
Galleries / print houses over exposing their artists , constant releases , re releases and edition sizes increasing three fold puts collectors off , as collectors like limited editions , hard to source pieces etc collectors purchase excessively and constantly with their favourite artist in some cases once these collectors get fed up these are the majority that effect secondary prices as they usually are prepared to pay higher prices than an average or new buyer.
Prices at source are more expensive than 5 years ago , £100-£150 now £300/£500 most new releases even by new artists.
Take a popular artist and count up all their popular releases in the last 3 years , they flood their market , more options for buyers.
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Hairbland
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Hairbland on Jun 1, 2019 13:48:42 GMT 1, Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely. Kaws not urban or street ? you have a lot to learn
He was, but he’s definitely no longer, not that that’s a bad thing.
Artists discussed here, such as Jonas, KAWS, among a few others, ie contemporary artist, not urban / Street artists (apart from Banksy) , who's work is coveted by museums and other institutions and big collectors, will likely survive the test of time. One or two others discussed rregularly, may break through into that blue chip category category, everything else will be binned. Buy wisely. Kaws not urban or street ? you have a lot to learn He was, but he’s definitely no longer, not that that’s a bad thing. |
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Hairbland
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Hairbland on Jun 1, 2019 13:55:37 GMT 1, If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys. If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point.
Spot on. I’m not even sure why Jonas gets discussed here, much less the lamenting of the cost of prints - like homeless people wandering in Tiffanys. How many museum shows has KAWS had now? His first in 2010. Many since.
But it’s “Up in the Bronx”.
“Down in Brooklyn”.
“Out in Queens”.
“Over on Staten Island”
If anyone is referring to the likes of KAWS or Jonas Wood as blowing up because of "sneakerheads" you are very off base. You don't get represented by gagosian or skarstedt gallery because Billy ray down in the bronx is buying 6 sets of open edition toys. If you are referring to the likes of martin whatson and other forum artists then you may have a point. Spot on. I’m not even sure why Jonas gets discussed here, much less the lamenting of the cost of prints - like homeless people wandering in Tiffanys. How many museum shows has KAWS had now? His first in 2010. Many since. But it’s “Up in the Bronx”. “Down in Brooklyn”. “Out in Queens”. “Over on Staten Island” |
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Wearology
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Wearology on Jun 1, 2019 15:03:04 GMT 1, Os Gemeos & Barry McGee are considered blue chip urban artists - both are prolific in the streets for many years and their works are desirable by collectors.
Os Gemeos & Barry McGee are considered blue chip urban artists - both are prolific in the streets for many years and their works are desirable by collectors.
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Increased print release killed secondary market?, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 15:49:35 GMT 1, Os Gemeos & Barry McGee are considered blue chip urban artists - both are prolific in the streets for many years and their works are desirable by collectors.
Os Gemeos & Barry McGee are considered blue chip urban artists - both are prolific in the streets for many years and their works are desirable by collectors. It's strange what makes an artist become famous, isn't it. I have to admit, I don't rank either of those artists and don't have any desire to own a piece of their work. |
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