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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 8:41:14 GMT 1, Changes to the lighting were mentioned by hnkpnk as well in this post from the thread titled Monkey Parliament back in Bristol*. The artwork had by this point also been renamed Devolved Parliament. Not only are the lights off, the pendant lamps were actually painted out. These were probably seen as leading the viewer's eye away from the main focal point. The Commons Chamber, Palace of Westminster Monkey Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2009 Devolved Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2019 __________ A separate aspect has yet to be discussed. I'm unclear about whether it represents a conscious and deliberate decision by Ban ksy, or if it was done without full consideration to the layout of the Commons Chamber. Besides the floor of the chamber which features Members of Parliament, the Visitors' Gallery — an area reserved for members of the public — is also occupied by apes. Devolved Parliament (detail of Visitors' Gallery), Bristol Museum, 2019 According to Sotheby’s, it’s not a 2019 work. Their website states its dated 09, and was bought by the current owner in 2011. Incidentally, they also seem to indicate that it was exhibited as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol Museum show in 09. “PROVENANCE The Artist Acquired from the above by the present owner in 2011 EXHIBITED Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy versus Bristol Museum, June - August, 2009 Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy’s Devolved Parliament, March - September 2019”
Changes to the lighting were mentioned by hnkpnk as well in this post from the thread titled Monkey Parliament back in Bristol*. The artwork had by this point also been renamed Devolved Parliament. Not only are the lights off, the pendant lamps were actually painted out. These were probably seen as leading the viewer's eye away from the main focal point. The Commons Chamber, Palace of WestminsterMonkey Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2009Devolved Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2019__________ A separate aspect has yet to be discussed. I'm unclear about whether it represents a conscious and deliberate decision by Ban ksy, or if it was done without full consideration to the layout of the Commons Chamber. Besides the floor of the chamber which features Members of Parliament, the Visitors' Gallery — an area reserved for members of the public — is also occupied by apes. Devolved Parliament (detail of Visitors' Gallery), Bristol Museum, 2019According to Sotheby’s, it’s not a 2019 work. Their website states its dated 09, and was bought by the current owner in 2011. Incidentally, they also seem to indicate that it was exhibited as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol Museum show in 09. “PROVENANCE The Artist Acquired from the above by the present owner in 2011 EXHIBITED Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy versus Bristol Museum, June - August, 2009 Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy’s Devolved Parliament, March - September 2019” I just did send an email to the Bristol Museum how this is possible. Strange right? Are there maybe two paintings? |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Daniel Silk on Sept 16, 2019 13:30:24 GMT 1,
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 13:51:39 GMT 1, But there are two? Light off, lights on?
But there are two? Light off, lights on?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Lazarus II on Sept 16, 2019 13:56:02 GMT 1, But there are two? Light off, lights on?
which one you interested in ?
But there are two? Light off, lights on? which one you interested in ? |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 14:53:46 GMT 1, But there are two? Light off, lights on? which one you interested in ? 
But there are two? Light off, lights on? which one you interested in ? The cheapest |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Coach on Sept 16, 2019 15:21:40 GMT 1, But there are two? Light off, lights on?
Not necessarily. If there are indeed two images, it could be that the painting had alterations made by the artist between it being displayed as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol museum show and now.
But there are two? Light off, lights on? Not necessarily. If there are indeed two images, it could be that the painting had alterations made by the artist between it being displayed as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol museum show and now. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by doyle on Sept 16, 2019 16:06:47 GMT 1, I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece.
I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 16, 2019 16:08:42 GMT 1, I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?
I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by avec art on Sept 16, 2019 16:12:35 GMT 1, how many of hirsts spots are actually painted by him
how many of hirsts spots are actually painted by him
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by tonys on Sept 16, 2019 16:34:55 GMT 1, This piece, in years to come, willbe on Fake or Fortune, still hosted by a frail aged Fiona Bruce, where they will do an x-ray of the painting, and see it was painted by numbers.
Which gives me an idea........
This piece, in years to come, willbe on Fake or Fortune, still hosted by a frail aged Fiona Bruce, where they will do an x-ray of the painting, and see it was painted by numbers. Probably Chinese numbers too - they knock out anything for a few hundred quick. Which gives me an idea........ |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by nex on Sept 16, 2019 16:42:23 GMT 1, I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?
The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ?
I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 17:29:46 GMT 1, I read that some students did it. And banksy just finished it for the pictures.
I read that some students did it. And banksy just finished it for the pictures.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Coach on Sept 16, 2019 17:52:27 GMT 1, Well this is going downhill quickly. Oh well.
Well this is going downhill quickly. Oh well.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 18:04:44 GMT 1, God forbid the artist Banksy doesn't follow conventional art world protocol. The artists greatest asset is his message conveyance.
God forbid the artist Banksy doesn't follow conventional art world protocol. The artists greatest asset is his message conveyance.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Balboa on Sept 16, 2019 20:33:34 GMT 1, Could we see another stunt??? It was Sothebys last time with the “shredding “ fisaco. I think it could be on the cards........  (I called it first!)
No. Adamthecollector got in about three hours before you.
Could we see another stunt??? It was Sothebys last time with the “shredding “ fisaco. I think it could be on the cards........ (I called it first!) No. Adamthecollector got in about three hours before you. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 16, 2019 21:03:29 GMT 1, I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ?
Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist?
I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist? |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by nex on Sept 16, 2019 21:25:54 GMT 1, The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist?
Nope thats not what I was saying at all
The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist? Nope thats not what I was saying at all |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 16, 2019 22:05:18 GMT 1, Glad that’s cleared up then.
Glad that’s cleared up then.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Hairbland on Sept 16, 2019 22:27:55 GMT 1, I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this?
You must be lots of fun at parties!
I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? You must be lots of fun at parties! |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 16, 2019 22:40:43 GMT 1, I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? You must be lots of fun at parties!
If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has.
I wonder how much Banksy actually painted of this if any and how does the real artist feel about this? You must be lots of fun at parties! If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Hairbland on Sept 16, 2019 23:36:26 GMT 1, You must be lots of fun at parties! If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has.
Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form.
You must be lots of fun at parties! If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has. Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Hairbland on Sept 16, 2019 23:42:56 GMT 1, The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist?
I think, for example if someone painted all the apes, they are like a line chef. Not even a sous chef. They have a task and nothing more. Being part of the process is exciting and maybe gets their foot in the door elsewhere. So yes, an artist, doing piecework.
The real artist? What you mean the one that didn’t have the idea and action it... ? Your aggressive comment leads me to believe that you don’t think that the guy that painted it isn’t to be called an artist? I think, for example if someone painted all the apes, they are like a line chef. Not even a sous chef. They have a task and nothing more. Being part of the process is exciting and maybe gets their foot in the door elsewhere. So yes, an artist, doing piecework. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by chickenlittle on Sept 17, 2019 0:05:38 GMT 1, If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has. Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form.
Well, actually Michelangelo and DaVinci, etc etc used studio assistants, so a little bit further back than “50-55 years”
Doesn’t mean the studio assistants aren’t artists
If that’s your attempt at humour then I’m guessing you’re the uninvited guest that stays until the end. It’s a valid question. If I was the painter commissioned to paint this it’d be a real buzz to see the impact this image has. Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form. Well, actually Michelangelo and DaVinci, etc etc used studio assistants, so a little bit further back than “50-55 years” Doesn’t mean the studio assistants aren’t artists |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Fast Eddie on Sept 17, 2019 3:35:24 GMT 1, Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form. Well, actually Michelangelo and DaVinci, etc etc used studio assistants, so a little bit further back than “50-55 years” Doesn’t mean the studio assistants aren’t artists
Actually that line is a well used one always good for a laff. As to your specifics, most have had studio assistants. So if you were to research your valid question, I see a history of studio assistants doing the work in many cases since the 60s. So you have 50-55 years of info to gather, likely best presented in graph / chart form. Well, actually Michelangelo and DaVinci, etc etc used studio assistants, so a little bit further back than “50-55 years” Doesn’t mean the studio assistants aren’t artists Leonardo Da Vinci was an assistant to Verrocchio in a Florentine bottega, both exceptional artists in their own right. There is such a long tradition of both apprenticeship and assistance in art since antiquity. Much academia also works like that. It does not take anything away from the principal artist. It does not demean (rather it helps) the assistant... |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 17, 2019 7:27:45 GMT 1, Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy.
Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by nex on Sept 17, 2019 8:05:30 GMT 1, Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy.
the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️
Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy. the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 17, 2019 8:09:35 GMT 1, Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy. the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll get the thesaurus out next time if it pleases you. Would ‘actual’ artist have suited you? I’ll look up pedantic too. 👍🏼
Either way the painter must be proud.
Is this place now just people looking for arguments and trolling. Waste of space. My original question is still valid and makes no attempt to take anything away from Banksy. the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll get the thesaurus out next time if it pleases you. Would ‘actual’ artist have suited you? I’ll look up pedantic too. 👍🏼 Either way the painter must be proud. |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by nex on Sept 17, 2019 9:28:42 GMT 1, the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll get the thesaurus out next time if it pleases you. Would ‘actual’ artist have suited you? I’ll look up pedantic too. 👍🏼 Either way the painter must be proud.
🤦♂️ The point being you were implying the ‘real artist’ wasn’t banksy
the use of the term the ‘real artist’ was the issue 🤷🏻♂️ I’ll get the thesaurus out next time if it pleases you. Would ‘actual’ artist have suited you? I’ll look up pedantic too. 👍🏼 Either way the painter must be proud. 🤦♂️ The point being you were implying the ‘real artist’ wasn’t banksy |
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by iamzero on Sept 17, 2019 10:27:41 GMT 1, Read the question again. Slowly and try not to be too clever about it because I can assure you it’s not a loaded question. I’ll put it another way for you. If you were the man that painted this canvas, how would you be feeling about the recognition this piece gets?
Read the question again. Slowly and try not to be too clever about it because I can assure you it’s not a loaded question. I’ll put it another way for you. If you were the man that painted this canvas, how would you be feeling about the recognition this piece gets?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by Dahmer on Sept 17, 2019 10:57:35 GMT 1, Read the question again. Slowly and try not to be too clever about it because I can assure you it’s not a loaded question. I’ll put it another way for you. If you were the man that painted this canvas, how would you be feeling about the recognition this piece gets?
Probably pretty good. Assuming this was painted by another person besides Banksy, then lets assume Banksy is a decent enough guy to actually pay them, and assuming that he could of paid him reasonably well, then perhaps in 2009 this other painter could have very well made enough money of this alone to put a deposit down for a house, thats pretty cool. Perhaps Banksy even tipped him a small stencilled canvas or even a couple of prints, maybe even a nice little quick biro rat drawing.
Maybe Banksy will even tip him a tiny bit from the ARR, i think thats like 4 percent isint it, lets assume this hits £2 million, thats £80,000 in ARR, if banksy tipped the guy again 10 percent of that, thats a conservatory on the back of the house Banksy has already helped pay for. Lets assume it was a man who painted it, pretty sure the wife will be happy with a new conservatory and maybe a nice meal on date night.
A happy wife, is a happy life.
Read the question again. Slowly and try not to be too clever about it because I can assure you it’s not a loaded question. I’ll put it another way for you. If you were the man that painted this canvas, how would you be feeling about the recognition this piece gets? Probably pretty good. Assuming this was painted by another person besides Banksy, then lets assume Banksy is a decent enough guy to actually pay them, and assuming that he could of paid him reasonably well, then perhaps in 2009 this other painter could have very well made enough money of this alone to put a deposit down for a house, thats pretty cool. Perhaps Banksy even tipped him a small stencilled canvas or even a couple of prints, maybe even a nice little quick biro rat drawing. Maybe Banksy will even tip him a tiny bit from the ARR, i think thats like 4 percent isint it, lets assume this hits £2 million, thats £80,000 in ARR, if banksy tipped the guy again 10 percent of that, thats a conservatory on the back of the house Banksy has already helped pay for. Lets assume it was a man who painted it, pretty sure the wife will be happy with a new conservatory and maybe a nice meal on date night. A happy wife, is a happy life. |
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