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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by tab1 on Oct 5, 2019 13:03:48 GMT 1, Did not realise the painting was so big ! Explains the detail,
Did not realise the painting was so big ! Explains the detail,
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by kfroms on Oct 5, 2019 17:06:55 GMT 1, I had a close look at the โpaintingโ during the preview and still wondering if this is indeed painted. From close it looks superflat, like printed. Anyway, I am now very curious on Kenny Schachterโs opinion next week. That should be a fun read.
I had a close look at the โpaintingโ during the preview and still wondering if this is indeed painted. From close it looks superflat, like printed. Anyway, I am now very curious on Kenny Schachterโs opinion next week. That should be a fun read.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Daniel Silk on Oct 6, 2019 3:12:05 GMT 1,
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by 19818914 on Oct 6, 2019 3:16:07 GMT 1, There is a virus in the link
There is a virus in the link
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 11:26:45 GMT 1, I wonder what would happen to banksys prices in a recession. Like 2008 they would plummet like the rest of the art market. Did the seller sell at the right time I wonder.
I wonder what would happen to banksys prices in a recession. Like 2008 they would plummet like the rest of the art market. Did the seller sell at the right time I wonder.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Winter on Oct 7, 2019 11:43:57 GMT 1, I had a close look at the โpaintingโ during the preview and still wondering if this is indeed painted. From close it looks superflat, like printed. Anyway, I am now very curious on Kenny Schachterโs opinion next week. That should be a fun read.
I agree with its flatness- I was very surprised to see how lifeless the painting was but Iโd say that was intentional
I had a close look at the โpaintingโ during the preview and still wondering if this is indeed painted. From close it looks superflat, like printed. Anyway, I am now very curious on Kenny Schachterโs opinion next week. That should be a fun read. I agree with its flatness- I was very surprised to see how lifeless the painting was but Iโd say that was intentional
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Terry Fuckwitt on Oct 13, 2019 12:19:19 GMT 1,
Signed by Banksy, so yeah it's a Banksy
Signed by Banksy, so yeah it's a Banksy
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Daniel Silk on Nov 7, 2019 14:49:34 GMT 1, 768 listings on ebay for โBanksy Parliamentโ Before the original was sold, ok it was a popular image, but the values were not crazy high and the demand was normal, but now! ๐ณ I mean how many of those 768 listings are actually the genuine poster?
www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=banksy+parliament&_sacat=0&_sop=16
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by avec art on Nov 7, 2019 14:55:20 GMT 1, the poster at the top of that list is counterfeit, it's already been discussed on here. The seller is a member and has come on trying to sell his hi-res imitations. If you look at his other items, he has an identical one which he is selling as a copy.
the poster at the top of that list is counterfeit, it's already been discussed on here. The seller is a member and has come on trying to sell his hi-res imitations. If you look at his other items, he has an identical one which he is selling as a copy.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by onthe outside on Nov 7, 2019 16:28:44 GMT 1, I always liked this image before the auction.... Iโm actually considering buying a knock off..... a cheap one not an eBay one
I always liked this image before the auction.... Iโm actually considering buying a knock off..... a cheap one not an eBay one
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by met on Apr 19, 2020 20:33:37 GMT 1, I was there a few months ago. The canvas is a high quality print with hand finished elements. Thatโs what the information read. However, it was so well done I could not distinguish print from paint. This might suggest itโs a large hand finished print. I donโt think thatโs the case. Thanks. You know what it could be? - I used to do this in art school. Iโd blow up a collage -created in photoshop - on the photocopier and glue it on to a board. Then Iโd paint right over it. The photocopy would be completely covered by the paint by the time i was finished. It was a way to streamline my illustration projects. Perhaps it was printed on canvas as a guide and then completely painted over. The same thing has occurred to me; but I do not know.
I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece.
BRISTOL MUSEUM
SOTHEBY'S
www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l19024/lot.28.html
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Of continued interest to me is the discrepancy in descriptions of the artistic medium for Devolved Parliament, between:
(a) the Bristol Museum label ("Oil paint and digital print"); and
(b) the Sotheby's, London lot description ("oil on canvas").
Even more so with the auction-record price that was achieved in October 2019 for a piece by Banksy: ยฃ9,879,500 (including buyer's premium)
__________
Bearing in mind previous comments about the surface flatness of Devolved Parliament (along with the fact we aren't talking about an artist with a process and concept like Glenn Brown), I'm inclined to believe the medium as stated by the Bristol Museum is the more accurate one.
Sotheby's, along with the consignor, also had a vested interest in the work simply being described as an oil on canvas โ a traditional medium highly regarded by the art world.
Moreover, both Sotheby's and the consignor will have known that, if any part of the auction-lot description were going to cheapen the artwork in the minds of seasoned collectors, it would be the words "digital print", i.e. inkjet.
__________
What matters in this instance is the extent to which the exclusion of any reference to inkjet could have affected the separate assessments made by each of the auction bidders at Sotheby's, London:
(i) their personal view on the artistic value of Devolved Parliament, and therefore its broader importance as a work of fine art; and
(ii) their perception of the esteem in which Devolved Parliament was held by fellow collectors, institutions and/or the wider public.
With respect to (ii) above, it is indeed collective perception at any given time that helps to determine the market value of an artwork.
Likewise, when the artistic and cultural significance of a famous piece is elevated in the eyes of others, there is a corresponding rise in the social cachet that comes with owning it. We then enter the realms of vanity and ego โ psychological factors that are often catalysts for less-than-rational decision-making.
The argument can certainly be made that a large oil on canvas with high-recognition value will confer greater prestige upon its owner than if the same piece were instead described as "oil paint and digital print". This might in turn increase the artwork's value to potential buyers, and therefore influence the levels to which they would be willing to bid at auction.
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Does anyone here know for certain the true medium of Devolved Parliament?
Was the Bristol Museum label correct?
If so, then it is conceivable that the omission from the Sotheby's lot description of just two words ("digital print") may have had a material impact โ perhaps even a seven-figure impact โ on the ยฃ8,500,000 hammer price at last year's auction.
I was there a few months ago. The canvas is a high quality print with hand finished elements. Thatโs what the information read. However, it was so well done I could not distinguish print from paint. This might suggest itโs a large hand finished print. I donโt think thatโs the case. Thanks. You know what it could be? - I used to do this in art school. Iโd blow up a collage -created in photoshop - on the photocopier and glue it on to a board. Then Iโd paint right over it. The photocopy would be completely covered by the paint by the time i was finished. It was a way to streamline my illustration projects. Perhaps it was printed on canvas as a guide and then completely painted over. The same thing has occurred to me; but I do not know. I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece. BRISTOL MUSEUMSOTHEBY'Swww.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l19024/lot.28.html____________________ Of continued interest to me is the discrepancy in descriptions of the artistic medium for Devolved Parliament, between: (a) the Bristol Museum label ( "Oil paint and digital print"); and (b) the Sotheby's, London lot description ( "oil on canvas"). Even more so with the auction-record price that was achieved in October 2019 for a piece by Banksy: ยฃ9,879,500 (including buyer's premium) __________ Bearing in mind previous comments about the surface flatness of Devolved Parliament (along with the fact we aren't talking about an artist with a process and concept like Glenn Brown), I'm inclined to believe the medium as stated by the Bristol Museum is the more accurate one. Sotheby's, along with the consignor, also had a vested interest in the work simply being described as an oil on canvas โ a traditional medium highly regarded by the art world. Moreover, both Sotheby's and the consignor will have known that, if any part of the auction-lot description were going to cheapen the artwork in the minds of seasoned collectors, it would be the words "digital print", i.e. inkjet. __________ What matters in this instance is the extent to which the exclusion of any reference to inkjet could have affected the separate assessments made by each of the auction bidders at Sotheby's, London: (i) their personal view on the artistic value of Devolved Parliament, and therefore its broader importance as a work of fine art; and (ii) their perception of the esteem in which Devolved Parliament was held by fellow collectors, institutions and/or the wider public. With respect to (ii) above, it is indeed collective perception at any given time that helps to determine the market value of an artwork. Likewise, when the artistic and cultural significance of a famous piece is elevated in the eyes of others, there is a corresponding rise in the social cachet that comes with owning it. We then enter the realms of vanity and ego โ psychological factors that are often catalysts for less-than-rational decision-making. The argument can certainly be made that a large oil on canvas with high-recognition value will confer greater prestige upon its owner than if the same piece were instead described as "oil paint and digital print". This might in turn increase the artwork's value to potential buyers, and therefore influence the levels to which they would be willing to bid at auction. __________ Does anyone here know for certain the true medium of Devolved Parliament? Was the Bristol Museum label correct? If so, then it is conceivable that the omission from the Sotheby's lot description of just two words ( "digital print") may have had a material impact โ perhaps even a seven-figure impact โ on the ยฃ8,500,000 hammer price at last year's auction.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by mika on Apr 19, 2020 20:46:25 GMT 1, Thanks Met for your comparisons. It would be interesting to see what was written on the C.O.A.
Thanks Met for your comparisons. It would be interesting to see what was written on the C.O.A.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by acme on Jun 24, 2020 4:49:08 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion.
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Not 4 The Thril on Jun 24, 2020 5:56:33 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed.
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by frezza on Jun 24, 2020 8:15:45 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by drip on Jun 24, 2020 9:54:45 GMT 1, i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ What a lot of people don't realise is he's using his left hand to paint, and his right hand is holding the canvas in place.
i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ What a lot of people don't realise is he's using his left hand to paint, and his right hand is holding the canvas in place.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by iamzero on Jun 24, 2020 10:34:58 GMT 1, Ahh the old keep the brush still and move the canvas technique.
Ahh the old keep the brush still and move the canvas technique.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by kaos on Jun 24, 2020 10:36:09 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different.
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by tab1 on Jun 24, 2020 11:26:19 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different.
Lol Paying 9.9 million and then finding out there is 10 other variations available released in a vault sale
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different. Lol Paying 9.9 million and then finding out there is 10 other variations available released in a vault sale
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by drip on Jun 24, 2020 11:52:52 GMT 1, Banksy: Ok. I'll prop the painting on a couple of old paint cans, make it look like I'm not really bothered, and I just knocked this up in my lunch hour. Now you take a picture of me holding a paintbrush, looking like I'm painting it. Got it?
Mrs Banksy: Ok, got it. Get in position.
Banksy: Ok. Ready? Take it now.
Mrs Banksy: Hang on, I think I'm in video.
Banksy: I'm cramping up! I'm cramping up!
Mrs Banksy: Ok, I think I got it. Done.
Banksy: Excellent. Now send it out to everyone.
Mrs Banksy: Do you want to check it first?
Banksy: No.
Mrs Banksy: Ok, done. This'll get those muppets on the forum running around. Hey, hun, did you use your correct painting hand, the one you normally paint with, when you posed just now?
Banksy: Ok. I'll prop the painting on a couple of old paint cans, make it look like I'm not really bothered, and I just knocked this up in my lunch hour. Now you take a picture of me holding a paintbrush, looking like I'm painting it. Got it? Mrs Banksy: Ok, got it. Get in position. Banksy: Ok. Ready? Take it now. Mrs Banksy: Hang on, I think I'm in video. Banksy: I'm cramping up! I'm cramping up! Mrs Banksy: Ok, I think I got it. Done. Banksy: Excellent. Now send it out to everyone. Mrs Banksy: Do you want to check it first? Banksy: No. Mrs Banksy: Ok, done. This'll get those muppets on the forum running around. Hey, hun, did you use your correct painting hand, the one you normally paint with, when you posed just now?
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drip
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by drip on Jun 24, 2020 11:55:11 GMT 1, Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different. You're correct and there was some discussion previously about changes to the image. Both on the forum and apparently the New York Times.
www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/arts/design/banksy-auction.html
Maybe this was posted before, but if not here is another shot of monkey parliament 2009 for completion. This canvas pictured here doesn't appear to be the one auctioned at Sothebys last year. Two observations, and I'm sure it's been said before, this canvas looks quite a bit smaller than the auctioned piece and the two chandeliers above are lit up that the auctioned piece did not have so the entire lighting of the scene is different. You're correct and there was some discussion previously about changes to the image. Both on the forum and apparently the New York Times. www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/arts/design/banksy-auction.html
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by sandinista on Jun 24, 2020 13:04:50 GMT 1, Is that supposed to be banksy? He can't stencil feet so are we supposed to think he painted that?
Is that supposed to be banksy? He can't stencil feet so are we supposed to think he painted that?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by tab1 on Jun 24, 2020 13:23:48 GMT 1, Is that supposed to be banksy? He can't stencil feet so are we supposed to think he painted that?
His artistic talents have evolved and improved , he also had issues with hands in the past Improving with age๐
www.myartbroker.com/artist/banksy/bomb-hugger-bomb-love/
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by sandinista on Jun 24, 2020 13:26:46 GMT 1, So im not too old to learn piano?
So im not too old to learn piano?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by acme on Jun 24, 2020 15:56:19 GMT 1, i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ no, Arsham can do it too.
i always thought it was interesting the person here is painting with their left hand when all the other videos and pictures of banksy he's right handed. Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ no, Arsham can do it too.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for ยฃ9.9Million, by Con Art Studio on Jun 24, 2020 17:20:04 GMT 1, Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ no, Arsham can do it too. arsham can't draw left handed but he wants you to think that. someone specifically asked him about it and he said he uses his left hand to hold the paper.
Maybe he paints left handed when he wants it to look like someone else painted it ๐ no, Arsham can do it too. arsham can't draw left handed but he wants you to think that. someone specifically asked him about it and he said he uses his left hand to hold the paper.
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