LJCal
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by LJCal on Mar 12, 2024 22:56:43 GMT 1, Given the pricing of his prints and originals, PC should have had their pricing higher for the service. Say £250 for a print and £1500 for an original. At least then that would put off and remove a lot of people submitting for COA after buying fake works of lower auction houses and eBay etc.. The money would cover a full time wage for the COA guy and for the guy who drinks the tea and adds the stains to the COAs also. 😉 100%. Monet authentication board charge $5000 flat, from little hand sketches up to big canvases. Obviously the authentication process is more complex typically and obviously a canvas is worth serious money but still a small sketch is probably worth less than some Banksy prints. I think most people on here would be more than willing to pay £250-300 if it meant getting the COA back in 3 months as opposed to 3 years.
Given the pricing of his prints and originals, PC should have had their pricing higher for the service. Say £250 for a print and £1500 for an original. At least then that would put off and remove a lot of people submitting for COA after buying fake works of lower auction houses and eBay etc.. The money would cover a full time wage for the COA guy and for the guy who drinks the tea and adds the stains to the COAs also. 😉 100%. Monet authentication board charge $5000 flat, from little hand sketches up to big canvases. Obviously the authentication process is more complex typically and obviously a canvas is worth serious money but still a small sketch is probably worth less than some Banksy prints. I think most people on here would be more than willing to pay £250-300 if it meant getting the COA back in 3 months as opposed to 3 years.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on Mar 13, 2024 0:27:30 GMT 1, I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you
I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on Mar 13, 2024 7:23:40 GMT 1, I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you Looking forward to read your story Lukas! :-) is it okay to have the tea stain on the disinfestation certificate? I drink my tea without any milk by the way
I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you Looking forward to read your story Lukas! :-) is it okay to have the tea stain on the disinfestation certificate? I drink my tea without any milk by the way
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lukas01
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on Mar 13, 2024 8:48:51 GMT 1, I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you Looking forward to read your story Lukas! :-) is it okay to have the tea stain on the disinfestation certificate? I drink my tea without any milk by the way I prefer the certificate to be dirty, with freshly squeezed strawberry and kiwi juice. :-))))))
Hi Loui, have a good day. ;-)
I finally understood who Banksy is. I didn't know I'd known Banksy for years. We have exchanged dozens and dozens of emails throughout this time. I'm ready to tell the whole world if they give me an original canvas of the Balloon Girl, one of the Flower Thrower, one of the Child Who Trashes Superheroes, one of the Glitter Monkey and all the silkscreens on paper known to date. Obviously all the works must have the Disinfestation certificate, where it must be written: Original Single Work - Certificate to Mr. If there is any journalist interested I accept DM for confirmation. Thank you Looking forward to read your story Lukas! :-) is it okay to have the tea stain on the disinfestation certificate? I drink my tea without any milk by the way I prefer the certificate to be dirty, with freshly squeezed strawberry and kiwi juice. :-)))))) Hi Loui, have a good day. ;-)
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lukas01
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on Mar 13, 2024 17:26:46 GMT 1, I prefer the certificate to be dirty, with freshly squeezed strawberry and kiwi juice. :-)))))) Hi Loui, have a good day. ;-) You too Lukas! We’ll eat some falafel one day 🙃 Never tasted one. But I think they are very tasty. Ancient recipes rarely have a taste you don't like. These products should be of Arab or oriental origin. Definitely excellent.
The problem is when will we eat them together? I don't even have a passport.
Thanks anyway for your availability. 🙂
I prefer the certificate to be dirty, with freshly squeezed strawberry and kiwi juice. :-)))))) Hi Loui, have a good day. ;-) You too Lukas! We’ll eat some falafel one day 🙃 Never tasted one. But I think they are very tasty. Ancient recipes rarely have a taste you don't like. These products should be of Arab or oriental origin. Definitely excellent. The problem is when will we eat them together? I don't even have a passport. Thanks anyway for your availability. 🙂
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mono on May 20, 2024 19:23:40 GMT 1, I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for.
Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up
PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response.
I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Wanchope on May 20, 2024 19:36:09 GMT 1, That’s utter shite. BANKSY do something FFS! I’ve had enough of these stories and 4 years is just plain ridiculous. I don’t think there is anything else you can do unless someone like hang up gallery or someone else who has links can help out?
That’s utter shite. BANKSY do something FFS! I’ve had enough of these stories and 4 years is just plain ridiculous. I don’t think there is anything else you can do unless someone like hang up gallery or someone else who has links can help out?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mono on May 20, 2024 19:55:00 GMT 1, Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give that a try!
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give that a try!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 20, 2024 20:38:45 GMT 1, I don’t. But in 2018 Nicky Katz (Land Logical) and John Brandler were the ones who moved the container with the Banksy off the Dungeness Beach. So I guess B either likes him a lot and PC offered him a deal on this legal row or he doesn’t like Nicky at all and lets him stew in his own juices while drinking a nice Montepulciano d’Abruzzo. I say cheers 🍷
I don’t. But in 2018 Nicky Katz (Land Logical) and John Brandler were the ones who moved the container with the Banksy off the Dungeness Beach. So I guess B either likes him a lot and PC offered him a deal on this legal row or he doesn’t like Nicky at all and lets him stew in his own juices while drinking a nice Montepulciano d’Abruzzo. I say cheers 🍷
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 25, 2024 21:21:30 GMT 1, I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔
I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mandem on May 25, 2024 21:43:12 GMT 1, I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔 It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com
I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step.
I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔 It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step.
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loui
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 25, 2024 23:26:48 GMT 1, I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔 It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step. Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit.
They arent the same. The .org is from 2021 and registered in Norway while the .com is registered in Hertfordshire.
I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit 🤔 It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step. Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021 and registered in Norway while the .com is registered in Hertfordshire.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by The Greased Piglet on May 26, 2024 0:23:07 GMT 1, I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund.
I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 26, 2024 8:22:40 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind.
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind.
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lukas01
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on May 26, 2024 8:51:03 GMT 1, It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary.... Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed.
Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer.
On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎
It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary.... Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 26, 2024 13:01:28 GMT 1, Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎 POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now.
Have been checking the who is and don’t think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎 POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on May 26, 2024 17:40:18 GMT 1, At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎 POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now. If it's not by Banksy there's no pleasure in buying them. If I have to buy something like this even if there is nothing original then I have to spend very little. I'm talking about very little money and they should be good quality canvases. Otherwise it's better to print something at home and hang it on the wall.
Anyway thanks for the advice. 👋
*I believe the PestControl staff has more to do than read our prayers.
At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.😎 POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now. If it's not by Banksy there's no pleasure in buying them. If I have to buy something like this even if there is nothing original then I have to spend very little. I'm talking about very little money and they should be good quality canvases. Otherwise it's better to print something at home and hang it on the wall. Anyway thanks for the advice. 👋 *I believe the PestControl staff has more to do than read our prayers.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Javier on May 27, 2024 19:08:31 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase…
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase…
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 7:26:06 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase… I feel for anyone left hanging, not knowing if/when they'll get a coa/response. But at least they still have hope to cling on to. There is cases of completely legitimate works that won't be issued a Coa as the paper provenance of 20 years isn't complete. Everyone's at their mercy(for now). No guarantees of anything whatsoever when it comes to Pest Control Office Ltd. The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. So they're effectively backdating a newly created company policy to the very beginning, because they feel they can get away with it.
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase… I feel for anyone left hanging, not knowing if/when they'll get a coa/response. But at least they still have hope to cling on to. There is cases of completely legitimate works that won't be issued a Coa as the paper provenance of 20 years isn't complete. Everyone's at their mercy(for now). No guarantees of anything whatsoever when it comes to Pest Control Office Ltd. The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. So they're effectively backdating a newly created company policy to the very beginning, because they feel they can get away with it.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by radnatic on May 28, 2024 7:55:31 GMT 1, Yes, I´m still waiting. So far the bill hasn't even come.
Yes, I´m still waiting. So far the bill hasn't even come.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 28, 2024 8:40:29 GMT 1, This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase… The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here.
This is too much. There are COA’s from GDP that still haven’t been sent. Almost five years from purchase… The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Reader on May 28, 2024 10:02:21 GMT 1, The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure.
The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by sevrin on May 28, 2024 10:19:36 GMT 1, If only..................
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 10:33:10 GMT 1, What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. PPs have been issued for works created since.The policy is new. The artist was told in person he was looking to get coas, the artist said that's fine just contact PC. Legally sound? How Banksy The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? So a rare print, the first of their kinds, of some of the most iconic images, with rock solid provenance should be sold for a fraction of their value after 20 years and that seems fair? It's a bit of a slap in face to say the least. Decent guy too, doesn't deserve that at all.
What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. PPs have been issued for works created since.The policy is new. The artist was told in person he was looking to get coas, the artist said that's fine just contact PC. Legally sound? How Banksy The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? So a rare print, the first of their kinds, of some of the most iconic images, with rock solid provenance should be sold for a fraction of their value after 20 years and that seems fair? It's a bit of a slap in face to say the least. Decent guy too, doesn't deserve that at all.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Reader on May 28, 2024 13:10:53 GMT 1, No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok.
On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms.
No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok.
On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 13:46:31 GMT 1, No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok. On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms. I understand PPs and I agree with a lot of what you've said. I have explained it would be best holding until PC collapse/cease operating as normal practice re provenance will kick in and they'll then achieve their real value. It shouldn't be the case though ie they'll achieve their true value someday in the future but not now, because the new PC says so. If he'd applied for coas pre new staff, he'd have got coas no problem. I guess the same advise goes to those who have legitimate prints but PC refused coas due to incomplete provenance trail or other reasons. Sit tight for unknown timescale and wait for PC to close. It's not ideal.
No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok. On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms. I understand PPs and I agree with a lot of what you've said. I have explained it would be best holding until PC collapse/cease operating as normal practice re provenance will kick in and they'll then achieve their real value. It shouldn't be the case though ie they'll achieve their true value someday in the future but not now, because the new PC says so. If he'd applied for coas pre new staff, he'd have got coas no problem. I guess the same advise goes to those who have legitimate prints but PC refused coas due to incomplete provenance trail or other reasons. Sit tight for unknown timescale and wait for PC to close. It's not ideal.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by STP on May 28, 2024 14:01:45 GMT 1, I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's?
I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 15:17:19 GMT 1, The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's? Yes annotated PP and signed
The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's? Yes annotated PP and signed
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