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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 28, 2024 19:13:34 GMT 1, What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. This issue may not reach Mark Stephens but his name is on the list of people working for pestcontroloffice. I can't believe he still would want to attach his name to an organisation that more and more people find dubious 🤨
What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coa’s to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. This issue may not reach Mark Stephens but his name is on the list of people working for pestcontroloffice. I can't believe he still would want to attach his name to an organisation that more and more people find dubious 🤨
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mono
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mono on May 30, 2024 10:15:31 GMT 1, Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍
They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces.
Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues.
Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome.
Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x £24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍 They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by The Greased Piglet on May 30, 2024 10:48:53 GMT 1, There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍 They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. That’s good to hear. I’ve heard that a few people are getting somewhere so hopefully they’re sorting things out.
There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍 They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. That’s good to hear. I’ve heard that a few people are getting somewhere so hopefully they’re sorting things out.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 30, 2024 14:38:16 GMT 1, There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍 They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. Yes that is good to hear. It could be coincidence but could also suggest PCs attention was drawn to the thread/post and with the info given they were able to react and help more quickly. Went from someone potentially not being interested in future involvement to someone happy and content. UAA could be useful to PC. The sheer volume of emails they have to sieve through won't be easy from posters and Di tenners to commercial coa works and everything in between. Perhaps for anyone in a similar position to mono it could be worth posting basic details ie applied for signed CND coa Feb 20th 2020 with a follow up emails on x and y. Then sending a highlight email on the day of the post. That could help PC pinpoint and help with more urgent situations. Easy for them to keep a wandering eye on one thread. There have been specific cases in recent times that I've highlighted to PC and after several years and many emails, the person received an email directly within a day or 2. Could be coincidence as well of course. Certainly good for everyone to hear more positive stories.
There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip 👍 They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. Yes that is good to hear. It could be coincidence but could also suggest PCs attention was drawn to the thread/post and with the info given they were able to react and help more quickly. Went from someone potentially not being interested in future involvement to someone happy and content. UAA could be useful to PC. The sheer volume of emails they have to sieve through won't be easy from posters and Di tenners to commercial coa works and everything in between. Perhaps for anyone in a similar position to mono it could be worth posting basic details ie applied for signed CND coa Feb 20th 2020 with a follow up emails on x and y. Then sending a highlight email on the day of the post. That could help PC pinpoint and help with more urgent situations. Easy for them to keep a wandering eye on one thread. There have been specific cases in recent times that I've highlighted to PC and after several years and many emails, the person received an email directly within a day or 2. Could be coincidence as well of course. Certainly good for everyone to hear more positive stories.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Rubys on Oct 5, 2024 10:09:06 GMT 1, These guys really need to get their shit together. I really don’t understand how it takes this long.
Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made.
3 months later still nothing…. :/
These guys really need to get their shit together. I really don’t understand how it takes this long.
Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made.
3 months later still nothing…. :/
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by cools on Oct 6, 2024 4:10:13 GMT 1, I'm almost a year in waiting now...
I'm almost a year in waiting now...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by nipper on Oct 6, 2024 11:54:21 GMT 1, I'm almost a year in waiting now... I’m at 2 years for one and 1 year for four others.
I guess I should chase but hadn’t been looking to sell.
I'm almost a year in waiting now... I’m at 2 years for one and 1 year for four others. I guess I should chase but hadn’t been looking to sell.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Oct 6, 2024 17:34:45 GMT 1, These guys really need to get their shit together. I really don’t understand how it takes this long. Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made. 3 months later still nothing…. :/ It's a bugger if you're waiting on a coa to sell, amplified in a declining market. Good that it's authenticated and payments made. If you're not planning to sell in the near future then you can relax, it will come eventually. Best thing people can do as far I can see, if they want a quicker service, is to stop contacting PC at all unless it's absolutely necessary and you're in a position you need to sell. They appear to be very understaffed to be able to deal with the volume of emails/requests and haven't been able to create a system yet that's efficient enough for these employees/this number of employees to be able to cope. Might be helpful to have a priority button on the PC site with clear instructions on situations it can be used. A system of some sort to prioritise rather than having to look at every email. Especially when there could be 5-10 emails from each person waiting any longer periods. If someone's in real need of help there really should be a way to get help quicker, otherwise it's an uncomfortable unknown time in limbo.
These guys really need to get their shit together. I really don’t understand how it takes this long. Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made. 3 months later still nothing…. :/ It's a bugger if you're waiting on a coa to sell, amplified in a declining market. Good that it's authenticated and payments made. If you're not planning to sell in the near future then you can relax, it will come eventually. Best thing people can do as far I can see, if they want a quicker service, is to stop contacting PC at all unless it's absolutely necessary and you're in a position you need to sell. They appear to be very understaffed to be able to deal with the volume of emails/requests and haven't been able to create a system yet that's efficient enough for these employees/this number of employees to be able to cope. Might be helpful to have a priority button on the PC site with clear instructions on situations it can be used. A system of some sort to prioritise rather than having to look at every email. Especially when there could be 5-10 emails from each person waiting any longer periods. If someone's in real need of help there really should be a way to get help quicker, otherwise it's an uncomfortable unknown time in limbo.
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cools
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by cools on Oct 7, 2024 3:24:59 GMT 1, Same, same. Not selling any time soon (or don't expect to) so not bugging them about it. I think I sent one follow-up email 6 months after they acknowledged receipt, documentation, etc.
Is what it is, I guess.
Same, same. Not selling any time soon (or don't expect to) so not bugging them about it. I think I sent one follow-up email 6 months after they acknowledged receipt, documentation, etc.
Is what it is, I guess.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by withnail69 on Oct 7, 2024 11:46:12 GMT 1, 3 months is nothing. You've got a very very long wait ahead of you. We gave up and my friend did as well. He had been waiting 3 years. The only way to get a COA seemed to be to sell them. We then pay for the privilege of 'Pest control day!' YAY.. Where they come into the auction house at a day of their choosing it would seem.. (Put back from July to September. Literally the week before the start of the auction so COA's weren't optained in time for the start of the auction). They verify the work at a cost and issue a new COA to the auction house to go with the print for sale.. This seemed to be the only way to get any form of action or reply out of PC. Despite a few small works I am now relieved of my Banksy's (in more ways than one). Just pray you don't end up dealing with the stolen art registry then things get really fun (they claimed that our print bought directly from POW could have been stolen from a house in 2004 (value of print £150) and sold back to POW and then resold on to us lol.. and they wanted us to pay money to these fraudulent liars in order to sell our own print! Urrgghhh glad to see the back of it all.
3 months is nothing. You've got a very very long wait ahead of you. We gave up and my friend did as well. He had been waiting 3 years. The only way to get a COA seemed to be to sell them. We then pay for the privilege of 'Pest control day!' YAY.. Where they come into the auction house at a day of their choosing it would seem.. (Put back from July to September. Literally the week before the start of the auction so COA's weren't optained in time for the start of the auction). They verify the work at a cost and issue a new COA to the auction house to go with the print for sale.. This seemed to be the only way to get any form of action or reply out of PC. Despite a few small works I am now relieved of my Banksy's (in more ways than one). Just pray you don't end up dealing with the stolen art registry then things get really fun (they claimed that our print bought directly from POW could have been stolen from a house in 2004 (value of print £150) and sold back to POW and then resold on to us lol.. and they wanted us to pay money to these fraudulent liars in order to sell our own print! Urrgghhh glad to see the back of it all.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by ughmarco on Oct 29, 2024 1:06:21 GMT 1, Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA,
I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year?
Any advice is more than appreciated
Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA,
I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year?
Any advice is more than appreciated
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hdduyddfj
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Oct 29, 2024 6:55:45 GMT 1, What's the point in paying a fee to register as the new owner, you already own it. As long as the provenance is solid and seller trusted you're fine. The vast majority of Banksys aren't registered under current owners name. In theory if all Banksys ever created were registered under the correct owners name and PC has capable staff in place, functioning/communicating in a reasonable way, then it would be a rock solid system. Anyone buying could quickly check with PC if it's legit/stolen simply by emailing with the sellers name and print details, PC could then confirm with the owner they're selling and then confirm with buyer it's safe to move forward. Good luck waiting for a reply, buyers will probably get bored and buy something else. Unfortunately PCs communication/system is terrible and many don't want the headache of having to wait for/deal with them. It's a waste of time/money/energy. On one hand PC are attempting (poorly) to create a bullet proof system but simultaneously tearing it apart. Fine sharing unredacted details if it's a trusted dealer/individual but private sellers shouldn't share this info to just anyone showing interest. It's a blueprint for creating fakes. PC and the coa used to be something admired, very clever, it brought a different level of confidence.Shame to see something potentially so good become so disastrous and wreckless.
What's the point in paying a fee to register as the new owner, you already own it. As long as the provenance is solid and seller trusted you're fine. The vast majority of Banksys aren't registered under current owners name. In theory if all Banksys ever created were registered under the correct owners name and PC has capable staff in place, functioning/communicating in a reasonable way, then it would be a rock solid system. Anyone buying could quickly check with PC if it's legit/stolen simply by emailing with the sellers name and print details, PC could then confirm with the owner they're selling and then confirm with buyer it's safe to move forward. Good luck waiting for a reply, buyers will probably get bored and buy something else. Unfortunately PCs communication/system is terrible and many don't want the headache of having to wait for/deal with them. It's a waste of time/money/energy. On one hand PC are attempting (poorly) to create a bullet proof system but simultaneously tearing it apart. Fine sharing unredacted details if it's a trusted dealer/individual but private sellers shouldn't share this info to just anyone showing interest. It's a blueprint for creating fakes. PC and the coa used to be something admired, very clever, it brought a different level of confidence.Shame to see something potentially so good become so disastrous and wreckless.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Man from Castle on Nov 1, 2024 17:13:31 GMT 1, You have to register in your name in my opinion:
if you want to sell it the new buyer could have serious doubts if the print is not in your name as well as an auction house.
You can check if the work is authentic and safe if will stole will be faster for you to contact the PC as the real owner with a lot of time saving
Last but not least, if i buy a banksy i wont to be the owner!!!
I do not understand the problem of spending 45 £ after having spent at least 10,000...
You have to register in your name in my opinion:
if you want to sell it the new buyer could have serious doubts if the print is not in your name as well as an auction house.
You can check if the work is authentic and safe if will stole will be faster for you to contact the PC as the real owner with a lot of time saving
Last but not least, if i buy a banksy i wont to be the owner!!!
I do not understand the problem of spending 45 £ after having spent at least 10,000...
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LJCal
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by LJCal on Nov 2, 2024 11:01:10 GMT 1, Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA, I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year? Any advice is more than appreciated It’s a waste of time. No one does check before you buy on a print, no seller is willing to wait 6 months to maybe get a reply from PCO, and in most cases hear nothing back. If it’s a canvas worth £300k+ then maybe, some institutions who pay good money will make it a condition of sale, most of these have an inside connection to PCO and for these type of works they tend to be more responsive, but still can take months. For me with check before you not really functioning there is very little benefit to register a print in your name, it only really benefits PCO in fees and data. The COA in and of itself is good enough for 9 out of 10 buyers.
Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA, I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year? Any advice is more than appreciated It’s a waste of time. No one does check before you buy on a print, no seller is willing to wait 6 months to maybe get a reply from PCO, and in most cases hear nothing back. If it’s a canvas worth £300k+ then maybe, some institutions who pay good money will make it a condition of sale, most of these have an inside connection to PCO and for these type of works they tend to be more responsive, but still can take months. For me with check before you not really functioning there is very little benefit to register a print in your name, it only really benefits PCO in fees and data. The COA in and of itself is good enough for 9 out of 10 buyers.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by My Name is Frank on Nov 2, 2024 11:34:14 GMT 1, If you are keeping it, whats the problem waiting months for the change? If you ever need to sell down the line, being the registered owner would help and some people do use the keep it real service, I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that. Seems a no brainer?
If you are keeping it, whats the problem waiting months for the change? If you ever need to sell down the line, being the registered owner would help and some people do use the keep it real service, I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that. Seems a no brainer?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Londown 01 on Nov 2, 2024 12:42:22 GMT 1, I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that If you're buying from somebody who is not the registered owner, doesn't that create problems for the provenance of the work and, down the line, problems with PC?
I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that If you're buying from somebody who is not the registered owner, doesn't that create problems for the provenance of the work and, down the line, problems with PC?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mojo on Nov 2, 2024 12:52:28 GMT 1, I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you.
I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Minecrafter on Nov 2, 2024 14:26:44 GMT 1, I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. it suits your pockets to say that doesn't it , Miss Brooks?
I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. it suits your pockets to say that doesn't it , Miss Brooks?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mojo on Nov 2, 2024 14:35:54 GMT 1, Looks like its Groundhog Day again. YAWN.
Looks like its Groundhog Day again. YAWN.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by LJCal on Nov 2, 2024 14:43:11 GMT 1, I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that If you're buying from somebody who is not the registered owner, doesn't that create problems for the provenance of the work and, down the line, problems with PC? No
I would be concerned if I did that the print was not in your name, caveat emptor and all that If you're buying from somebody who is not the registered owner, doesn't that create problems for the provenance of the work and, down the line, problems with PC? No
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LJCal
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by LJCal on Nov 2, 2024 14:54:50 GMT 1, I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail.
The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you have a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me.
I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail. The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you have a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Nov 2, 2024 15:21:02 GMT 1, I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. The point being missed for whatever reason is that it's a great idea if PC wasn't shit at communication. It's no problem waiting months to register a work hanging on your wall, what happens when you go to sell and the buyer wants to check it's registered and PC don't reply for months. When you decide to sell a work you don't want or can't wait months for a reply. Buyers don't want to wait months, once they've agreed a price it's theirs in their head, they want to hang it. A lot of buyers will get bored and finding something else. The ideas brilliant, the execution is bloody awful. If they're not embarrassed they should be. Spend £45 or don't, makes very little difference.
I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. The point being missed for whatever reason is that it's a great idea if PC wasn't shit at communication. It's no problem waiting months to register a work hanging on your wall, what happens when you go to sell and the buyer wants to check it's registered and PC don't reply for months. When you decide to sell a work you don't want or can't wait months for a reply. Buyers don't want to wait months, once they've agreed a price it's theirs in their head, they want to hang it. A lot of buyers will get bored and finding something else. The ideas brilliant, the execution is bloody awful. If they're not embarrassed they should be. Spend £45 or don't, makes very little difference.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mojo on Nov 2, 2024 15:37:00 GMT 1, I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail. The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me. I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it?
I'd definitely register a change of ownership and would be suspicious of any buyer or seller that didn't want to do that. Would you buy a car from someone and leave it in their name? If for any reason you had to claim on insurance at any point in the future it would look a bit odd if the item you were claiming for isn't even registered to you. But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail. The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me. I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Devizes /\_/\ on Nov 2, 2024 15:47:03 GMT 1, But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail. The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me. I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it? Sorry Mojo but you seem to be avoiding the main reason people can’t be bothered. The reason as stated by others are the unacceptable timescales. Doesn’t matter if you’re a flipper or a first time buyer from an owner who’s had it a few years, neither wants to play a waiting game on whether or not PC will be arsed to a knowledge and carry out the task you’ve paid them for, for what? 6 months? 12 months? 18 months? It’s absolutely pathetic and unacceptable.
But registering a car with the DVLA is a statutory requirement, you’re comparing apples with Copenhagen. As long as the person you buy from has a clear title the work is yours once you pay the agreed price in full, pure and simple, registering it with the artist’s studio is not necessary in any legal sense, if it were 99% of the artwork in circulation would have a problem. By most people’s standards I’ve bought and sold quite a few Banksy’s and never once has a work being in a previous owners‘ name caused a problem, I had a situation a few months back where someone made a check before you buy on a print I’d long sold and pest simply contacted me to check Id sold it on and establish the provenance trail. The only time I would consider it an advantage is if you a big collection (that you don’t trade much) and aren’t on pest’s primary list, then you may want to let them know what you hold to try and get on the nice list. That’s never going to happen for me. I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it? Sorry Mojo but you seem to be avoiding the main reason people can’t be bothered. The reason as stated by others are the unacceptable timescales. Doesn’t matter if you’re a flipper or a first time buyer from an owner who’s had it a few years, neither wants to play a waiting game on whether or not PC will be arsed to a knowledge and carry out the task you’ve paid them for, for what? 6 months? 12 months? 18 months? It’s absolutely pathetic and unacceptable.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by The Italian One on Nov 2, 2024 15:51:46 GMT 1, once you register your print for "change of ownership" will you get confirmation from PC?
once you register your print for "change of ownership" will you get confirmation from PC?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Nov 2, 2024 16:00:38 GMT 1, once you register your print for "change of ownership" will you get confirmation from PC? Depends what way the winds blowing
once you register your print for "change of ownership" will you get confirmation from PC? Depends what way the winds blowing
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on Nov 2, 2024 16:00:43 GMT 1, I wonder if this machine also has an issued authentication certificate.
Great piece!... I would like to see the interior decorated! 😎
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_cWJTfRTx1
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mojo on Nov 2, 2024 16:05:09 GMT 1, I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it? Sorry Mojo but you seem to be avoiding the main reason people can’t be bothered. The reason as stated by others are the unacceptable timescales. Doesn’t matter if you’re a flipper or a first time buyer from an owner who’s had it a few years, neither wants to play a waiting game on whether or not PC will be arsed to a knowledge and carry out the task you’ve paid them for, for what? 6 months? 12 months? 18 months? It’s absolutely pathetic and unacceptable. I sort of regret wading in on this now as the only dealings I've had with any sort of pest control recently was to clean up a load of pigeon shit from my balcony and I have stuff to do today... but I still maintain that it is better to register any work than to not bother. It may eventually make the system a lot faster and would definitely safeguard the buyer. You can buy reasonably safely with a COA and register afterwards.
I appreciate if you are buying & selling for a quick turnover checking provanance can seem like a hassle. However nowadays when people are spending many £thousands I'd definitely want some kind of guarentee I was buying the genuine article and where it had come from. Any decent auction house will not only require a COA but proof of photo ID like a passport along with an official proof of address for their records...that go back hundreds of years. It just makes sense to me to registar it, why wouldn't you? 45 quid is not even the price of a round of drinks, why risk it? Sorry Mojo but you seem to be avoiding the main reason people can’t be bothered. The reason as stated by others are the unacceptable timescales. Doesn’t matter if you’re a flipper or a first time buyer from an owner who’s had it a few years, neither wants to play a waiting game on whether or not PC will be arsed to a knowledge and carry out the task you’ve paid them for, for what? 6 months? 12 months? 18 months? It’s absolutely pathetic and unacceptable. I sort of regret wading in on this now as the only dealings I've had with any sort of pest control recently was to clean up a load of pigeon shit from my balcony and I have stuff to do today... but I still maintain that it is better to register any work than to not bother. It may eventually make the system a lot faster and would definitely safeguard the buyer. You can buy reasonably safely with a COA and register afterwards.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by The Italian One on Nov 2, 2024 16:18:59 GMT 1, I always did and always will! the only reason to not register change of ownership is if you are a dealer or gallery
I always did and always will! the only reason to not register change of ownership is if you are a dealer or gallery
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