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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:08:15 GMT 1, Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellersย
No it won't.
Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellersย No it won't. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Tax and Shipping on Oct 17, 2019 18:09:40 GMT 1, No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP.
No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP. ...more of a cat person then? |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:11:30 GMT 1, No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP. Jesus calm down He's paid for the mat already, so now "two" Charities will benefit can't see anything wrong with that.
Can you not?
I don't know why i feel like i do about this, but i do, if the money went to the Refugee woman then I could kind of let go the publicity the guy will get through instagram on it.
The way it's being done Just feels wrong, I like Andy, just think he has made a mistake with this
Wouldn't it be better of this was highlighting the lovewelcomes.org website and the aims of the people on it, maybe they would sell some other mats that they make or cushions or get some donations?
(need to get off my high moral horse again maybe?)
No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP. Jesus calm down He's paid for the mat already, so now "two" Charities will benefit can't see anything wrong with that. Can you not? I don't know why i feel like i do about this, but i do, if the money went to the Refugee woman then I could kind of let go the publicity the guy will get through instagram on it. The way it's being done Just feels wrong, I like Andy, just think he has made a mistake with this Wouldn't it be better of this was highlighting the lovewelcomes.org website and the aims of the people on it, maybe they would sell some other mats that they make or cushions or get some donations? (need to get off my high moral horse again maybe?) |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by drip on Oct 17, 2019 18:12:35 GMT 1, I'm fairly sure if Banksy takes exception with this, then CG would receive a visit from Banksy's legal team. (Jo with a baseball bat). Or a phonecall would be made (just the sound of Jo tapping a baseball bat against a table).
I'm fairly sure if Banksy takes exception with this, then CG would receive a visit from Banksy's legal team. (Jo with a baseball bat). Or a phonecall would be made (just the sound of Jo tapping a baseball bat against a table).
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:13:13 GMT 1, No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP. ...more of a cat person then?
No no no no no - sorry but this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated. Those mats are to raise funds for the refugees, not for a dog shelter. s**tty thing to do and a bit of coat-tailing, and anyone who has the money to bid on this should be donating it to the charity and the cause that this piece was destined for. irrespective also to the cause or purpose, a flip is a flip. Email winging its way to Love Welcome informing them that you are pre-selling. It's also part of the terms and conditions of sale from GDP. ...more of a cat person then? Nope more of a Refugees person |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by alandavies on Oct 17, 2019 18:14:26 GMT 1, Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value..
Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value..
Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:14:58 GMT 1, Itโs just an odd choice of charity (not that I have anything against dog charities). To me it would have made far more sense to benefit the original charity even more or at least a related one. Is he trying to make a point?
yes lonely farmer likes a dog charity, Staffordshire dog rescue. He will be toast in a year when bbay takes effect.
Itโs just an odd choice of charity (not that I have anything against dog charities). To me it would have made far more sense to benefit the original charity even more or at least a related one. Is he trying to make a point? yes lonely farmer likes a dog charity, Staffordshire dog rescue. He will be toast in a year when bbay takes effect. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Carl Cashman on Oct 17, 2019 18:17:31 GMT 1, Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value.. Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value.. Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ A charity auction is never a way to fix or gauge a secondary market price. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by drip on Oct 17, 2019 18:20:39 GMT 1, Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers
Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers Or will they end up selling on BBay? |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by alandavies on Oct 17, 2019 18:22:30 GMT 1, Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value.. Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ A charity auction is never a way to fix or gauge a secondary market price.
Agree and disagree. This sells for ยฃ5000. You wonโt find one under ยฃ2000.
They arenโt that right now
Am I the only thinking this auction is a very public way to confirm a secondary market value.. Already at ยฃ1200 kerching! ๐คฃ๐คฃ A charity auction is never a way to fix or gauge a secondary market price. Agree and disagree. This sells for ยฃ5000. You wonโt find one under ยฃ2000. They arenโt that right now |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by sgolby on Oct 17, 2019 18:32:07 GMT 1, I am going to make 3 points:
1. With Andyโs client list he could resell this with no problem and no one knowing within hours, for market value.
2. I believe that the fact this is going to charity, makes this OK. Love Welcomes got the bulk of the publicity and 250k from this load of 500. Surely a couple of ยฃK to an animal charity is no issue.
3. I highly doubt this is Andyโs order, so reporting will do fairly little good.
Just saying
I am going to make 3 points:
1. With Andyโs client list he could resell this with no problem and no one knowing within hours, for market value.
2. I believe that the fact this is going to charity, makes this OK. Love Welcomes got the bulk of the publicity and 250k from this load of 500. Surely a couple of ยฃK to an animal charity is no issue.
3. I highly doubt this is Andyโs order, so reporting will do fairly little good.
Just saying
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by irl1 on Oct 17, 2019 18:33:57 GMT 1, Yes i agree 100% it should have gone to the lovewelcome Charity but any Charity is better than the back pocket
I had a problem something like this last year. A few of us collected a couple of quid donated it and got F****d from a height by one guy who collected for an hour! The rest of us were out for two weeks solid.
He wanted it to go to a big Charity funded by our government.
It went to a local one run by unpaid staff.
All we got was him and all his mates badmouthing us behind our backs.
Yes i agree 100% it should have gone to the lovewelcome Charity but any Charity is better than the back pocket
I had a problem something like this last year. A few of us collected a couple of quid donated it and got F****d from a height by one guy who collected for an hour! The rest of us were out for two weeks solid.
He wanted it to go to a big Charity funded by our government.
It went to a local one run by unpaid staff.
All we got was him and all his mates badmouthing us behind our backs.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by mojo on Oct 17, 2019 18:41:34 GMT 1, Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers
Imagine if charity after charity after charity just kept buying and reselling (and benefitting from) one of these mats? Do you think it would end with Sotheby's Auctioneers Against Arthritis? Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers Will it though? I was thinking about it and surely unless its comparable or competitive to Sothebys et al or any of the galleries that stock Banksy, sellers will sell through them. Many buyers would also be galleries to add to their stock, no? I think its a good idea to have an inhouse resale service ie. Bbay however I'm not convinced it will 'most definitely end most of the secondary market'. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 18:58:49 GMT 1, Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers Will it though? I was thinking about it and surely unless its comparable or competitive to Sothebys et al or any of the galleries that stock Banksy, sellers will sell through them. Many buyers would also be galleries to add to their stock, no? I think its a good idea to have an inhouse resale service ie. Bbay however I'm not convinced it will 'most definitely end most of the secondary market'.
Maybe, but Bbay will most definitely end most of the secondary market resellers Will it though? I was thinking about it and surely unless its comparable or competitive to Sothebys et al or any of the galleries that stock Banksy, sellers will sell through them. Many buyers would also be galleries to add to their stock, no? I think its a good idea to have an inhouse resale service ie. Bbay however I'm not convinced it will 'most definitely end most of the secondary market'. Yes it will. The supply chain has well and truly been dismantled for a lot of these resellers. Do you honestly think Banksy will do a half assed job of it? You got ยฃ10K upwards to buy a print, who would you rather buy it from, an unauthorised outfit, or "the only approved dealership". He is making primary and secondary works available to everyone. Unlike before, only those who can afford it |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by clueless on Oct 17, 2019 19:04:35 GMT 1, Probably the best deal we will see!
Probably the best deal we will see! |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by love on Oct 17, 2019 19:10:15 GMT 1, Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization.
Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by withnail69 on Oct 17, 2019 19:19:40 GMT 1, i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way..
i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way..
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by love on Oct 17, 2019 19:20:29 GMT 1, Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization.
Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization. Anyone? |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by irl1 on Oct 17, 2019 19:21:31 GMT 1, Can you not? I don't know why i feel like i do about this, but i do, if the money went to the Refugee woman then I could kind of let go the publicity the guy will get through instagram on it. The way it's being done Just feels wrong, I like Andy, just think he has made a mistake with this Wouldn't it be better of this was highlighting the lovewelcomes.org website and the aims of the people on it, maybe they would sell some other mats that they make or cushions or get some donations? (need to get off my high moral horse again maybe?) No that makes a lot of sense for once 
warshit just as well both of us can take a joke  
Can you not? I don't know why i feel like i do about this, but i do, if the money went to the Refugee woman then I could kind of let go the publicity the guy will get through instagram on it. The way it's being done Just feels wrong, I like Andy, just think he has made a mistake with this Wouldn't it be better of this was highlighting the lovewelcomes.org website and the aims of the people on it, maybe they would sell some other mats that they make or cushions or get some donations? (need to get off my high moral horse again maybe?) No that makes a lot of sense for once warshit just as well both of us can take a joke |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Carl Cashman on Oct 17, 2019 19:31:41 GMT 1, A charity auction is never a way to fix or gauge a secondary market price. It's working for stik
Charity auctions are a tax write off, so will always go higher.
A charity auction is never a way to fix or gauge a secondary market price. It's working for stik Yeah it helps if you only do charity auctions, but that's not the same as 1 charity auction and the other 999 on ebay, is it? Charity auctions are a tax write off, so will always go higher. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Inknart on Oct 17, 2019 19:35:06 GMT 1, Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization.
Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization. Mine is still pending. Have not heard a word from them.... |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by 1000years on Oct 17, 2019 19:35:15 GMT 1, Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization. Anyone?
Did your payment went through? A friend told me that his payment is still waiting for authorization. Anyone? Its on status authorized, as written, it will be taken when the item is ready to be shipped. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by bestdj777 on Oct 17, 2019 19:53:53 GMT 1, i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way..
The charity is making them. I think Bansky essentially gave them a new money making opportunity and told them to run with it. I donโt see any end in sight to their production, as long as there is demand. And itโs absolutely fantastic for them if thatโs the case.
i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way.. The charity is making them. I think Bansky essentially gave them a new money making opportunity and told them to run with it. I donโt see any end in sight to their production, as long as there is demand. And itโs absolutely fantastic for them if thatโs the case. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Inknart on Oct 17, 2019 19:55:51 GMT 1, i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way.. The charity is making them. I think Bansky essentially gave them a new money making opportunity and told them to run with it. I donโt see any end in sight to their production, as long as there is demand. And itโs absolutely fantastic for them if thatโs the case.
i'm not convinced there will be more of these you know. Maybe there will I just don't see banksy getting round to it. Maybe they will be different in some way.. The charity is making them. I think Bansky essentially gave them a new money making opportunity and told them to run with it. I donโt see any end in sight to their production, as long as there is demand. And itโs absolutely fantastic for them if thatโs the case. Based on the feedback from this discussion, nobody would care to buy them if they were "Unlimited" especially at over 600 USD. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by coller on Oct 17, 2019 20:53:12 GMT 1, I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things:
1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. As of August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life.
2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life.
So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis".
The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe.
I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things:
1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. As of August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life.
2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life.
So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis".
The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe.
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Terry Fuckwitt on Oct 17, 2019 21:19:51 GMT 1, Keep up the good work reporting these scum on ebay. Listings are still all being taken down๐
Keep up the good work reporting these scum on ebay. Listings are still all being taken down๐
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by pfffffffffft on Oct 17, 2019 23:25:40 GMT 1, I just reported on them also! Hopefully they all get pulled! Salty salty and no I don't have one listed for sale. But when did it become ok to snitch on others? Are you police? Think this is a case of sour grapes!
When did you decide it was ok to abandon your morals?
I just reported on them also! Hopefully they all get pulled! Salty salty and no I don't have one listed for sale. But when did it become ok to snitch on others? Are you police? Think this is a case of sour grapes! Always ok to snitch on charity flippers. Always. When did you decide it was ok to abandon your morals? |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by Hairbland on Oct 17, 2019 23:26:56 GMT 1, I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things: 1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. Since August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life. 2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life. So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis". The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe.
Where does it say 9 women? I see made by women in refugee camps. Just curious.
I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things: 1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. Since August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life. 2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life. So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis". The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe. Where does it say 9 women? I see made by women in refugee camps. Just curious. |
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Banksy Welcome Mat, by drip on Oct 17, 2019 23:31:39 GMT 1, I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things: 1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. Since August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life. 2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life. So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis". The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe. Where does it say 9 women? I see made by women in refugee camps. Just curious.
I really, really did not want this thread to become a discussion of how many mats are being sold. If we are stuck on that topic then I want to say a few things: 1. Refugee women are making the mats by hand. There are 9 refugee women currently employed by Love Welcomes. Since August 2018, Love Welcomes has employed 23 women total which has resulted in the creation of approximately 3,200 mats. I think it is important to acknowledge that this is not a factory, rather these are real people making these by hand because it is their only current means of earning a living, and as a means toward a better life. 14 of the 23 women employed have incredibly been relocated across Europe and are now using the the skills taught by Love Welcomes to work and raise a family on their own, giving them another chance at a real life. 2. These mats will likely be made as long as there are refugees willing and able to make them. This is a double-edged sword, as the mats guarantee money goes toward a worthy cause, but the act of the mats being created means those 9 women who are making them by hand (or any additional refugee women employed by Love Welcomes moving forward) have not yet been relocated to places that allow for a better quality of life. So while endless creation/sale of the mats may raise tons of money for the charity, it would also be an indicator that there are still real people in a dire situation whose best option is to make the mats to earn a living, which is not great. Essentially "endless mats" = "endless refugee crisis". The purpose of this charity, at least as I understand it, is to give these refugee women a second chance at life. It is incredible that Banksy has given Love Welcomes and these women such an opportunity to live better, help more people, and expedite their recovery/relocation. That said, it seems the endgame is not to raise money for this charity until the end of time. The endgame is for these refugee women to earn enough money and employable skills so they can find a better life somewhere in Europe. Where does it say 9 women? I see made by women in refugee camps. Just curious. |
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