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Christie's Art Auctions , by Coach on Nov 18, 2011 22:12:50 GMT 1, Probably ยฃ8K+ for a normal one. Probably more for this one since it's spraypainted. I haven't seen many with the anarchy sign if any. The edges are pretty tatty though, where its been ripped off the mount. wonder if it could be fixed?
Probably.
Saw one of these a few years ago in the fleash - smashing pieces - the grail of prints.
ยฃ20k is my uneducated guess.
Annoys me a little when the auction houses put rediculously low estimates on pieces to drum up interest - the piece does not need it.
Probably ยฃ8K+ for a normal one. Probably more for this one since it's spraypainted. I haven't seen many with the anarchy sign if any. The edges are pretty tatty though, where its been ripped off the mount. wonder if it could be fixed? Probably. Saw one of these a few years ago in the fleash - smashing pieces - the grail of prints. ยฃ20k is my uneducated guess. Annoys me a little when the auction houses put rediculously low estimates on pieces to drum up interest - the piece does not need it. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Harveyn on Nov 18, 2011 22:14:25 GMT 1, If this was mint easily ยฃ15k+. The condition sounds not bad so for me its an easy ยฃ13k but I would need to view. Absolutely no idea why anyone would put an estimate that low on it.
If it sneaks under the radar someone might get a steal. I think ยฃ8/ยฃ10k would be an absolute steal on this.
If this was mint easily ยฃ15k+. The condition sounds not bad so for me its an easy ยฃ13k but I would need to view. Absolutely no idea why anyone would put an estimate that low on it.
If it sneaks under the radar someone might get a steal. I think ยฃ8/ยฃ10k would be an absolute steal on this.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Brushstrokes 75 on Nov 18, 2011 22:15:12 GMT 1, You're right coach, it pisses me off too!!
It's even more surprising from an auction house like Christie's who tend to over estimates (because they can)......
You're right coach, it pisses me off too!!
It's even more surprising from an auction house like Christie's who tend to over estimates (because they can)......
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Christie's Art Auctions , by dodomank01 on Nov 18, 2011 22:23:19 GMT 1, wish i hadnt mentioned it now guys.....could have maybe bagged a bargain ! dohh
wish i hadnt mentioned it now guys.....could have maybe bagged a bargain ! dohh
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Coach on Nov 18, 2011 22:28:57 GMT 1, wish i hadnt mentioned it now guys.....could have maybe bagged a bargain ! dohh
;D
wish i hadnt mentioned it now guys.....could have maybe bagged a bargain ! dohh ;D |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Brushstrokes 75 on Nov 18, 2011 22:32:06 GMT 1, If it sneaks under the radar someone might get a steal.
I was about to say that I think it's too late for that now lol
If it sneaks under the radar someone might get a steal. I was about to say that I think it's too late for that now lol |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by lee3 on Nov 18, 2011 23:34:17 GMT 1, >>>Absolutely no idea why anyone would put an estimate that low on it.<<<
I'm going to guess that it's due to the fact that far less eyes are focused on the auction market compared with November and anything to generate attention next month is a good thing from their perspective. I had no idea until this thread that it was on offer. Cool piece, good luck to those bidding.
>>>Absolutely no idea why anyone would put an estimate that low on it.<<<
I'm going to guess that it's due to the fact that far less eyes are focused on the auction market compared with November and anything to generate attention next month is a good thing from their perspective. I had no idea until this thread that it was on offer. Cool piece, good luck to those bidding.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by skitchy on Nov 19, 2011 19:25:10 GMT 1, The edges are pretty tatty though, where its been ripped off the mount. wonder if it could be fixed? Shame many of these weren't given the care they deserve.
I heard from someone banksy used to flog these for a tenner and it was up to you if you wanted him to sign it!
The edges are pretty tatty though, where its been ripped off the mount. wonder if it could be fixed? Shame many of these weren't given the care they deserve. I heard from someone banksy used to flog these for a tenner and it was up to you if you wanted him to sign it! |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by skitchy on Nov 19, 2011 19:29:22 GMT 1, 
Price Realized ยฃ8,125
Chrisities
Old Master, Decorative, Modern and Contemporary Prints16 September 2009London, South Kensington
I wonder why the low estimate on this one when back in 2009 it went for 8k in the same auction house!
Price Realized ยฃ8,125 Chrisities Old Master, Decorative, Modern and Contemporary Prints16 September 2009London, South Kensington I wonder why the low estimate on this one when back in 2009 it went for 8k in the same auction house! |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Ruggs on Nov 19, 2011 20:22:14 GMT 1, Can someone clear this up for me! I thought the first 50 RC's were supposed to be signed along with around 20 hand-finished ones. Why is #224/250 signed?
Can someone clear this up for me! I thought the first 50 RC's were supposed to be signed along with around 20 hand-finished ones. Why is #224/250 signed?
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Christie's Art Auctions , by rob on Nov 19, 2011 20:24:49 GMT 1, They were signed as sold back in the day.
They were signed as sold back in the day.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Rolex on Nov 19, 2011 21:54:55 GMT 1, If they were signed as sold, how does any one know how many we're signed from the 250.
If they were signed as sold, how does any one know how many we're signed from the 250.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by rob on Nov 19, 2011 22:06:54 GMT 1, Feel free to ask Laz or anyone from POW for exact numbers. There were 250 prints total, you had a choice of prices for signed or unsigned. When 250 were sold the edition was gone, not many people justified an extra 100 odd quid for a signature....
Feel free to ask Laz or anyone from POW for exact numbers. There were 250 prints total, you had a choice of prices for signed or unsigned. When 250 were sold the edition was gone, not many people justified an extra 100 odd quid for a signature....
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Christie's Art Auctions , by jp on Nov 20, 2011 3:57:28 GMT 1, 2009 was a great time to buy, compared to late '07 and today. That RC in the Christies auction was a bit damaged though.
This one is very much damaged too: "soft creasing throughout, some skinning to all four corners when previously mounted" plus they mention color fading when you look at the more detailed report. This is one that should definitely be examined in person.
2009 was a great time to buy, compared to late '07 and today. That RC in the Christies auction was a bit damaged though. This one is very much damaged too: "soft creasing throughout, some skinning to all four corners when previously mounted" plus they mention color fading when you look at the more detailed report. This is one that should definitely be examined in person. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by johnnyh on Nov 20, 2011 3:59:54 GMT 1, On the auction houses think it is to do with their pulling power for example if you compare Bonhams with Dreweats two auctions at the exact same time more or less. The Bonhams estimates in general were lower but the prices realized were higher than the Dreweats one.
Bonhams had many more birders hence they could let the buyers move the price rather than the estimate. Dreweats had fewer buyers so had to start at a higher price rather than the bidding room moving the price.
On the auction houses think it is to do with their pulling power for example if you compare Bonhams with Dreweats two auctions at the exact same time more or less. The Bonhams estimates in general were lower but the prices realized were higher than the Dreweats one.
Bonhams had many more birders hence they could let the buyers move the price rather than the estimate. Dreweats had fewer buyers so had to start at a higher price rather than the bidding room moving the price.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by sport1 on Dec 5, 2011 18:04:01 GMT 1, Has anyone seen this piece in person, was interested to see the actual condition of it.
Thanks.
Has anyone seen this piece in person, was interested to see the actual condition of it.
Thanks.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Hubble Bubble on Dec 5, 2011 18:36:18 GMT 1, 2009 was a great time to buy, compared to late '07 and today. That RC in the Christies auction was a bit damaged though. This one is very much damaged too: "soft creasing throughout, some skinning to all four corners when previously mounted" plus they mention color fading when you look at the more detailed report. This is one that should definitely be examined in person.
^^'skinning to all four corners when previously mounted' - does that mean some bozo stuck it up on a wall with sellotape 
2009 was a great time to buy, compared to late '07 and today. That RC in the Christies auction was a bit damaged though. This one is very much damaged too: "soft creasing throughout, some skinning to all four corners when previously mounted" plus they mention color fading when you look at the more detailed report. This is one that should definitely be examined in person. ^^'skinning to all four corners when previously mounted' - does that mean some bozo stuck it up on a wall with sellotape |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by gironawatch on Dec 7, 2011 15:57:28 GMT 1, sold for 8k + com
sold for 8k + com
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Harveyn on Dec 7, 2011 16:25:05 GMT 1,
So ยฃ10k all in. Good price for the buyer provided the condition was not terrible.
Did anybody get a condition report or viewing?
Also need to add Artist's Resale Right (Droit de Suite) to the buyers cost. Which I believe is 4% up to ยฃ50k. So approx ยฃ10.4k all in.
So ยฃ10k all in. Good price for the buyer provided the condition was not terrible. Did anybody get a condition report or viewing? Also need to add Artist's Resale Right (Droit de Suite) to the buyers cost. Which I believe is 4% up to ยฃ50k. So approx ยฃ10.4k all in. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 16:32:24 GMT 1, irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great price
irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great price
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Christie's Art Auctions , by silvermyn on Dec 7, 2011 18:56:04 GMT 1, irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great price
I would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer.
At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know.
For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example (not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would 
A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO 
irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great priceI would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer. At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know. For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example ( not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by manty on Dec 7, 2011 19:09:25 GMT 1, irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great priceI would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer. At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know. For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example ( not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO
Restored means restores doesn't it?
I'd take the ยฃ3k savings and buy some coke and hookers
irrespective to the condition (unless the paper has a huge tear through it, if you know of a good restorer then the condition of the work really shouldnt be an issue), that is a great priceI would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer. At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know. For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example ( not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO Restored means restores doesn't it? I'd take the ยฃ3k savings and buy some coke and hookers |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by begs on Dec 7, 2011 19:12:28 GMT 1, 10k for a damaged print ?
and it will be always be a damaged print or a restored print if the owner ever sells it
10k for a damaged print ?
and it will be always be a damaged print or a restored print if the owner ever sells it
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Christie's Art Auctions , by manty on Dec 7, 2011 19:14:12 GMT 1, 10k for a damaged print ? and it will be always be a damaged print or a restored print if the owner ever sells it
Why will it
It will be a print in good condition won't it?
10k for a damaged print ? and it will be always be a damaged print or a restored print if the owner ever sells it Why will it It will be a print in good condition won't it? |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by begs on Dec 7, 2011 19:21:21 GMT 1, yes but restored
yes but restored
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Christie's Art Auctions , by mouser on Dec 7, 2011 20:07:28 GMT 1, I thought R@t's one was unsigned?
I thought R@t's one was unsigned?
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Christie's Art Auctions , by silvermyn on Dec 7, 2011 20:11:32 GMT 1, I would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer. At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know. For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example ( not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO doesn't it? I'd take the ยฃ3k savings and buy some coke and hookers
No, not really.
Think about a valuable vase that got a chip on the rim and was later repaired. It's no longer in original condition and has therefore has dropped in value. May look fine but it's not what came out of the factory anymore.
I know some people don't really mind but serious collectors are very fussy people.
I would disagree with this as being a "great price" for the buyer. At a total of ยฃ10.4k they have ended up with a damaged print! Let's say they spend another ยฃ1k plus VAT getting it into shape with a top restorer they'd end up with an outlay around the ยฃ12k mark for a restored print. Rat's looking for ยฃ17k for a minty one and that remains unsold, as far as I know. For arguments sake, if we say ยฃ15k could get you a perfect example ( not suggesting Rat would let his go for that btw) and for ยฃ12k you could have a restored one, would you not bite the bullet and spend an extra ยฃ3k for the piece of mind...? I think I would A fair price for the buyer in this example but by no means "great" IMHO doesn't it? I'd take the ยฃ3k savings and buy some coke and hookers No, not really. Think about a valuable vase that got a chip on the rim and was later repaired. It's no longer in original condition and has therefore has dropped in value. May look fine but it's not what came out of the factory anymore. I know some people don't really mind but serious collectors are very fussy people. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by silvermyn on Dec 7, 2011 20:20:07 GMT 1, Apologies, I didn't realise Rat's was unsigned... not a fair comparison at all!
Apologies, I didn't realise Rat's was unsigned... not a fair comparison at all!
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Christie's Art Auctions , by mouser on Dec 7, 2011 20:25:14 GMT 1, I thought R@t's one was unsigned? It is unsigned... better hand finishing on his though imo. Not sure it make all that much difference a hand finished being unsigned? Plenty of canvas works are unsigned.
I thought R@t's one was unsigned? It is unsigned... better hand finishing on his though imo. Not sure it make all that much difference a hand finished being unsigned? Plenty of canvas works are unsigned. it does if people are trying to compare them like for like, as does the condition of both pieces. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by drevil on Dec 7, 2011 20:38:20 GMT 1, Where is the 3K difference coming from here? The one at auction hammered for 8 (10 after buyer's premium is added in). Rat is asking 17.
If you wanted a sprayed RC you would be a fool to buy the one from Rat after this result, IMO. This one at Christies is the best comp you can get at the moment, even if it is damaged. These don't sell too often obviously, but that is a huge price difference (8 vs. 17) for really similar prints.
Where is the 3K difference coming from here? The one at auction hammered for 8 (10 after buyer's premium is added in). Rat is asking 17.
If you wanted a sprayed RC you would be a fool to buy the one from Rat after this result, IMO. This one at Christies is the best comp you can get at the moment, even if it is damaged. These don't sell too often obviously, but that is a huge price difference (8 vs. 17) for really similar prints.
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