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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by J0NNY on Aug 29, 2020 15:25:58 GMT 1, Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money.
Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Pipes on Aug 29, 2020 15:29:41 GMT 1, Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money.
#LouiseMichel is unable to move, she is no longer the master of her manoeuver, due to her overcrowded deck and a liferaft deployed at her side, but above all due to Europe ignoring our emergency calls for immediate assistance.
Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money. #LouiseMichel is unable to move, she is no longer the master of her manoeuver, due to her overcrowded deck and a liferaft deployed at her side, but above all due to Europe ignoring our emergency calls for immediate assistance. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Big Bad Mo on Aug 29, 2020 15:31:57 GMT 1,
They are in a unbelievably dangerous situation now if they can’t move but are loaded. By the sounds of it the boat and mayday call already meets the criteria for salvage law. hopefully the migrants and crew are safe and they make it land soon.
They are in a unbelievably dangerous situation now if they can’t move but are loaded. By the sounds of it the boat and mayday call already meets the criteria for salvage law. hopefully the migrants and crew are safe and they make it land soon.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by kaos on Aug 29, 2020 15:38:13 GMT 1, Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money.
Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money. Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by concrete jungle on Aug 29, 2020 15:50:11 GMT 1, Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money.
Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money. As others posted, unbelievable thought process! Hope you are sitting comfortably in your nice warm dry house - this is a truly desperate situation, and one you'd do well not to comment on without knowing the facts. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by J0NNY on Aug 29, 2020 15:57:08 GMT 1, Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money. Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage".
I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk.
Do I think this is a media play?
No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy.
Surely if things are that bad they should just take them to dry land, even if it means dropping them to the place of origin? Keeping them on the boat suffering for the purpose of media coverage is no better than the traffickers who exploit these poor people for money. Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Dive Jedi on Aug 29, 2020 16:02:17 GMT 1, Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy.
Paying for a boat to rescue refugees at sea is not an artistic stunt.
I'm sure Banksy sincerely wants to help refugees.
And decorating the boat will bring extra attention to the desperate situation.
Which might lead to more action by authorities.
Qualifying this as performance art is quite disturbing and insulting.
Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art.
Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. Paying for a boat to rescue refugees at sea is not an artistic stunt. I'm sure Banksy sincerely wants to help refugees. And decorating the boat will bring extra attention to the desperate situation. Which might lead to more action by authorities. Qualifying this as performance art is quite disturbing and insulting. Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by buffin on Aug 29, 2020 16:05:13 GMT 1, Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy.
Couldn’t disagree with you more.
Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. Couldn’t disagree with you more. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by kaos on Aug 29, 2020 16:07:38 GMT 1, I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. Paying for a boat to rescue refugees at sea is not an artistic stunt. I'm sure Banksy sincerely wants to help refugees. And decorating the boat will bring extra attention to the desperate situation. Which might lead to more action by authorities. Qualifying this as performance art is quite disturbing.
This is not a PR exercise. It's called drawing attention to a cause.
I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. Paying for a boat to rescue refugees at sea is not an artistic stunt. I'm sure Banksy sincerely wants to help refugees. And decorating the boat will bring extra attention to the desperate situation. Which might lead to more action by authorities. Qualifying this as performance art is quite disturbing. I wrote everything Dive Jedi written above and deleted because he said it all and before I did. This is not a PR exercise. It's called drawing attention to a cause. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 16:50:29 GMT 1, Uh this seems questionable morally.
Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me.
Uh this seems questionable morally.
Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 16:53:19 GMT 1, Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy.
I’m afraid that I think you are wrong.
Of course he decorated the boat. His name brings media attention; which in turn puts a spotlight on the awful plight of those saved.
I believe his motivation was saving lives and bringing this issue back to under media spotlight.
Is that what you think this is "for the purpose of media coverage". I don’t believe that any vessel at sea should have a crew aboard that would put themselves or others at such high levels of risk. Do I think this is a media play? No I don’t think that this event is part of the plan, but I think it’s obvious the whole decorating a lifeboat and sending it out to sea was 100% an artistic stunt, hopefully one that does not end in tragedy. I’m afraid that I think you are wrong. Of course he decorated the boat. His name brings media attention; which in turn puts a spotlight on the awful plight of those saved. I believe his motivation was saving lives and bringing this issue back to under media spotlight. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 16:54:50 GMT 1, From my reading of these stories, the person died before the Louise Michel got to the dingy. Just goes to show how important it is that these migrants gets the help they need quickly.
I don't know what the Daily Hail is saying since, like Wikipedia, I don't recognise them as a serious source of information.
It also just goes to show how important it is not to trust some media outlets/press.
From my reading of these stories, the person died before the Louise Michel got to the dingy. Just goes to show how important it is that these migrants gets the help they need quickly.
I don't know what the Daily Hail is saying since, like Wikipedia, I don't recognise them as a serious source of information. It also just goes to show how important it is not to trust some media outlets/press. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 16:55:59 GMT 1, Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me.
That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing.
Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me. That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 16:57:06 GMT 1, Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art.
With respect, it’s not performance art.
Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art. With respect, it’s not performance art. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by House of Arts on Aug 29, 2020 16:59:08 GMT 1, Why is Banksy funding human trafficking? ffs man
Why is Banksy funding human trafficking? ffs man
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by hellfo on Aug 29, 2020 16:59:16 GMT 1, So the boat is rescuing people but doesn’t actually have a right to drop them off in any particular country. Are they relying on goodwill from Italy or Greece to take the people rescued? The boat has collected unknown people, from unknown origin. No government is going to pre approve any arrival in that manner. Governments are actively stopping these boats quite aggressively. All you can do is see if they will refuse you when people are on your boat. It’s a big risk but hugely honourable, especially when the alternative is to leave the boat at dock or just do nothing. Best of luck to all involved and fair play to Banksy and co for bringing the specifics of this issue to the forefront. It’s quite a bold move but it has my full backing.
The international laws says that when you pick up people in danger, in the sea, you can bring them to the nearest safe port. The government, theorically, can't refuse. In Italy, more or less, every ong use our ports, we give them first aid, and then... is another story
So the boat is rescuing people but doesn’t actually have a right to drop them off in any particular country. Are they relying on goodwill from Italy or Greece to take the people rescued? The boat has collected unknown people, from unknown origin. No government is going to pre approve any arrival in that manner. Governments are actively stopping these boats quite aggressively. All you can do is see if they will refuse you when people are on your boat. It’s a big risk but hugely honourable, especially when the alternative is to leave the boat at dock or just do nothing. Best of luck to all involved and fair play to Banksy and co for bringing the specifics of this issue to the forefront. It’s quite a bold move but it has my full backing. The international laws says that when you pick up people in danger, in the sea, you can bring them to the nearest safe port. The government, theorically, can't refuse. In Italy, more or less, every ong use our ports, we give them first aid, and then... is another story |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by teabaggins on Aug 29, 2020 17:07:38 GMT 1, Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me.
You seem questionable morally...
Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me. You seem questionable morally... |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by kaos on Aug 29, 2020 17:12:20 GMT 1, Those people just speculating on the motives and who is actually operating the boat need to think before they speak. Just take a moment to look into the subject before you comment please.
This rescue ship is not being operated by a bunch of amateurs on a day out at sea as some people appear to be suggesting. Banksy paid for the ship, yes, but as he says he knows nothing about rescue missions at sea he paid for the ship but professionals are on board with years of experience of search and rescue.
Please get your facts before you speak.
Those people just speculating on the motives and who is actually operating the boat need to think before they speak. Just take a moment to look into the subject before you comment please.
This rescue ship is not being operated by a bunch of amateurs on a day out at sea as some people appear to be suggesting. Banksy paid for the ship, yes, but as he says he knows nothing about rescue missions at sea he paid for the ship but professionals are on board with years of experience of search and rescue.
Please get your facts before you speak.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Terry Fuckwitt on Aug 29, 2020 17:12:53 GMT 1, Some silly thoughtless comments here, maybe think before posting.
Some silly thoughtless comments here, maybe think before posting.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Lunch Special on Aug 29, 2020 17:22:31 GMT 1, Its a shame that a member here would even open up a conversation about suing a man whos only intent is to save the lives of others. Shame on you, just oges to show who and why some people joined here.
This place surely has changed since the good old f5 days of refreshing pages and passing info and early info on to other members, seems like its only a marketplace for the elite now.
Banksy will always be the peoples choice.
Its a shame that a member here would even open up a conversation about suing a man whos only intent is to save the lives of others. Shame on you, just oges to show who and why some people joined here.
This place surely has changed since the good old f5 days of refreshing pages and passing info and early info on to other members, seems like its only a marketplace for the elite now.
Banksy will always be the peoples choice.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 17:24:39 GMT 1, Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me. That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing.
Define ‘saving lives’.
Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life?
Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next...
Uh this seems questionable morally. Like a lot of banksys recent things. Concept great and noble sure. But having no plan for what to do and then tweeting about it when no one comes seems kind of gross to me. That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing. Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 17:26:02 GMT 1, Those people just speculating on the motives and who is actually operating the boat need to think before they speak. Just take a moment to look into the subject before you comment please. This rescue ship is not being operated by a bunch of amateurs on a day out at sea as some people appear to be suggesting. Banksy paid for the ship, yes, but as he says he knows nothing about rescue missions at sea he paid for the ship but professionals are on board with years of experience of search and rescue. Please get your facts before you speak.
So give me some facts. Where are these people going? Will they be returned to the countries they flee’d from?
Those people just speculating on the motives and who is actually operating the boat need to think before they speak. Just take a moment to look into the subject before you comment please. This rescue ship is not being operated by a bunch of amateurs on a day out at sea as some people appear to be suggesting. Banksy paid for the ship, yes, but as he says he knows nothing about rescue missions at sea he paid for the ship but professionals are on board with years of experience of search and rescue. Please get your facts before you speak. So give me some facts. Where are these people going? Will they be returned to the countries they flee’d from? |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by acaipride on Aug 29, 2020 17:30:40 GMT 1, Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art. 
Hmmm. Seems like they found more refugees already afloat and took them on and it was more than they could handle? Almost metaphorical. Great performance art. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Coach on Aug 29, 2020 17:31:03 GMT 1, Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
Precisely
Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 17:33:20 GMT 1, That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing. Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next...
Focussing purely one your latter remark, a “next” that wouldn’t be possible should they die tragically while at sea.
That you can describe saving lives as “kind of gross” is astonishing. Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... Focussing purely one your latter remark, a “next” that wouldn’t be possible should they die tragically while at sea. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 17:33:20 GMT 1, Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
So you are telling me Banksy with all his means didn’t plan for ‘next’?
Like I said I get the concept. Go Banksy, but turning into an exhibition while attaching his name to it while people’s lives are in the balance seems like the wrong way.
Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
So you are telling me Banksy with all his means didn’t plan for ‘next’? Like I said I get the concept. Go Banksy, but turning into an exhibition while attaching his name to it while people’s lives are in the balance seems like the wrong way. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 17:34:06 GMT 1, What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
Precisely
What’s the law being ignored?
What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
Precisely What’s the law being ignored? |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 17:34:29 GMT 1, Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
Only saw your comment after hitting quote to the initial comment so apologies that my comment echoes your own but perhaps a point worth reinforcing.
Define ‘saving lives’. Say these individual are forces to go back to where they came. Is that saving their life? Of course like everything you ignore the deeper concept of my comment. I said it’s a noble cause and simply plucking these people out of the water may be ‘saving their life’ at that specific moment. But what happens next... What happens next is they carry on breathing, as opposed to drowning.
What happens after that is supposed to be a matter of law, a law which is currently being willfully ignored by Europe.
Only saw your comment after hitting quote to the initial comment so apologies that my comment echoes your own but perhaps a point worth reinforcing. |
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