Masong
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Masong on Dec 17, 2022 16:33:30 GMT 1, Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐
Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Acme Thunderer on Dec 17, 2022 16:48:20 GMT 1, Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐
Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared.
No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway.
Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐ The difference with this lottery compared to all the others, is that is requires a payment to enter (with a free postcard - i.e. numbered ticket). Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared. No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway. |
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Masong
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Masong on Dec 17, 2022 17:10:24 GMT 1, Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐ The difference with this lottery compared to all the others, is that is requires a payment to enter (with a free postcard - i.e. numbered ticket). Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared. No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway.
Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐ The difference with this lottery compared to all the others, is that is requires a payment to enter (with a free postcard - i.e. numbered ticket). Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared. No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway. I have to agree itโs not his best. When I first saw it I thought it was a surfer on the left and a mountain climber on the right. Sort of made more sense to me then.. |
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cw211
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Pejac โข New Wave, by cw211 on Dec 17, 2022 17:21:06 GMT 1, Haha 60 piece may be lottery But suddenly 10ee for vip
Haha 60 piece may be lottery But suddenly 10ee for vip fair enough with E.E for big shots as they are not mentioned in the lottery email |
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Fluffy Pillow on Dec 17, 2022 17:23:24 GMT 1, Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐ The difference with this lottery compared to all the others, is that is requires a payment to enter (with a free postcard - i.e. numbered ticket). Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared. No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway.
The post card is art too, for many, and may even be framed. Some try to keep up with the ongoing "set." Some postcards are hand finished, which may be just as special as a print if one doesn't get picked or doesn't want to spend big coins. Adds another element of optimism. For the price to play they also make great gifts too.
I'd like to believe the charity efforts are genuine. No art lottery is perceived as fair if it isn't transparently displayed but even then there will be those that try to poke holes or draw conspiracies. Some folks enjoy sours...
Always so much talk of dishonesty around lottery releases. It does seem to come across as sour grapes to people that donโt win. Of course you wonโt win ever time you enter a lottery ffs. The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. If you donโt like them donโt enter. I enter the Pejac lotteries because I actually like the postcard for the money. Canโt wait for all the moaning when the banksy lottery winners are chosen when your odds are around 20000-1 ๐ The difference with this lottery compared to all the others, is that is requires a payment to enter (with a free postcard - i.e. numbered ticket). Over the years, it has become apparent it might not be as fair to all that entered as it initially appeared. No sour grapes here - I think the print is average anyway. The post card is art too, for many, and may even be framed. Some try to keep up with the ongoing "set." Some postcards are hand finished, which may be just as special as a print if one doesn't get picked or doesn't want to spend big coins. Adds another element of optimism. For the price to play they also make great gifts too. I'd like to believe the charity efforts are genuine. No art lottery is perceived as fair if it isn't transparently displayed but even then there will be those that try to poke holes or draw conspiracies. Some folks enjoy sours... |
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soupy
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Pejac โข New Wave, by soupy on Dec 17, 2022 17:26:39 GMT 1, The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply.
add on the fact its not a "home run" image and pretty steep incremental price increases upon every one of his releases.
The reason they have lotteries for prints is because demand far outweighs supply. pretty poor take on the reason for lotteries. demand for 99% of all limited edition shit outweighs supply. i can score on a pejac drop... but know very well my chances go to near zero for a lottery. add on the fact its not a "home run" image and pretty steep incremental price increases upon every one of his releases. |
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Fluffy Pillow on Dec 17, 2022 17:27:44 GMT 1, Masong "When I first saw it I thought it was a surfer on the left and a mountain climber on the right. Sort of made more sense to me then.. "
First glance I saw a surfer with wave on the left and snowboarder with mountain peak on the right.
Masong "When I first saw it I thought it was a surfer on the left and a mountain climber on the right. Sort of made more sense to me then.. " First glance I saw a surfer with wave on the left and snowboarder with mountain peak on the right.
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Masong
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Masong on Dec 17, 2022 17:30:46 GMT 1, Masong "When I first saw it I thought it was a surfer on the left and a mountain climber on the right. Sort of made more sense to me then.. " First glance I saw a surfer with wave on the left and snowboarder with mountain peak on the right.
Masong "When I first saw it I thought it was a surfer on the left and a mountain climber on the right. Sort of made more sense to me then.. " First glance I saw a surfer with wave on the left and snowboarder with mountain peak on the right. Can I just add my eyesight isnโt what it used to be ๐ |
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damenaz
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Pejac โข New Wave, by damenaz on Dec 17, 2022 18:32:22 GMT 1, The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation
The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation
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Jimini Cricket
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Jimini Cricket on Dec 17, 2022 20:06:49 GMT 1, Pejac has more edition releases than exhibitions.
Pejac has more edition releases than exhibitions.
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nobokov
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Pejac โข New Wave, by nobokov on Dec 17, 2022 22:18:35 GMT 1, The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation
"The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation"
Sincerely yours,
Max
The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation "The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation" Sincerely yours, Max |
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Acme Thunderer on Dec 17, 2022 22:51:50 GMT 1, The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation
The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation Did you ever sell your collection of 11 Pejacโs? |
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J0NNY
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Pejac โข New Wave, by J0NNY on Dec 18, 2022 0:14:48 GMT 1, I donโt think all the whinging is justified when itโs a free lottery but I do believe things get a little more complicated when you have to pay for entry. Let be honest the postcard quality is usually terrible and barely worth the entry price, add shipping on top and it starts to look more like a scam. Then you get onto the lack of transparency about how many of the edition will be allocated, also when they preach about the postcards being for charity - whose pocket does the extra P&P line?
Iโm not saying that there is anything bad going on but I think that all the scepticism is justified.
I donโt think all the whinging is justified when itโs a free lottery but I do believe things get a little more complicated when you have to pay for entry. Let be honest the postcard quality is usually terrible and barely worth the entry price, add shipping on top and it starts to look more like a scam. Then you get onto the lack of transparency about how many of the edition will be allocated, also when they preach about the postcards being for charity - whose pocket does the extra P&P line?
Iโm not saying that there is anything bad going on but I think that all the scepticism is justified.
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damenaz
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Masong
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Thatโs was for sale before the lottery even closed, so pretty sure thatโs just for the idiots out thereโฆ |
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Jimini Cricket
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Jimini Cricket on Dec 18, 2022 6:34:16 GMT 1, The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation Did you ever sell your collection of 11 Pejacโs?
The management who works with Pejac is simply genius, someone likes someone donโt. The prices for his works speak for themselves. Where did he start and what are the prices now, and this is the merit of both the artist and the management. Everyone complains about the lottery, but at the same time it is sold on the secondary market many times more than they paid for it. And free lotteries lead to the following results (The site received over 1 million requests (and 3,500 hostile attacks from Russian IP addresses), Legacy of War Foundation Did you ever sell your collection of 11 Pejacโs? I was thinking the same thing. They still posted and didn't acknowledge you calling them out. |
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damenaz
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Pejac โข New Wave, by damenaz on Dec 18, 2022 7:59:45 GMT 1, Did you ever sell your collection of 11 Pejacโs? I was thinking the same thing. They still posted and didn't acknowledge you calling them out.
Did you ever sell your collection of 11 Pejacโs? I was thinking the same thing. They still posted and didn't acknowledge you calling them out. I sold something, but basically I changed my mind about selling. |
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gus
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Pejac โข New Wave, by gus on Dec 18, 2022 15:27:47 GMT 1, One of the great things about a payment for lottery entry is that it makes Sybil attacks more expensive. Otherwise they are free, and the whole lottery is pretty useless imho.
One of the great things about a payment for lottery entry is that it makes Sybil attacks more expensive. Otherwise they are free, and the whole lottery is pretty useless imho.
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Riotcops
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Riotcops on Dec 18, 2022 17:33:23 GMT 1, The issue is, and always has been, the lack of transparency with these releases. They mask it as "charitable" then sneak in it's a 'portion of sales' that will be donated. Is that 90% or 10%? How much money are they making with the lottery alone?
How many of these will be available for the lottery? Those defending it being a fair and honest lottery are lovely people, we need more of you in this world and less pessimists. However, in this case, you are mistaken.
The issue is, and always has been, the lack of transparency with these releases. They mask it as "charitable" then sneak in it's a 'portion of sales' that will be donated. Is that 90% or 10%? How much money are they making with the lottery alone?
How many of these will be available for the lottery? Those defending it being a fair and honest lottery are lovely people, we need more of you in this world and less pessimists. However, in this case, you are mistaken.
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Sunny Garcia on Dec 18, 2022 22:10:13 GMT 1, ๐ฏ agree about the transparency. If youโre charging people for lottery tickets, they should be allocated a number (per entry), and Max should perform a live draw. Pretty simples
๐ฏ agree about the transparency. If youโre charging people for lottery tickets, they should be allocated a number (per entry), and Max should perform a live draw. Pretty simples
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samfrost
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Pejac โข New Wave, by samfrost on Dec 18, 2022 22:26:30 GMT 1, Yep - no transparency and count me out. It's not that hard to have a transparent lottery. Both in the drawing process and ultimate donation.
Yep - no transparency and count me out. It's not that hard to have a transparent lottery. Both in the drawing process and ultimate donation.
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damenaz
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Pejac โข New Wave, by damenaz on Dec 18, 2022 22:52:26 GMT 1, How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market?
How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market?
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Matt 2 ttaM
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damenaz
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Do you want to buy? Or just out of curiosity? |
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Matt 2 ttaM
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Do you want to buy? Or just out of curiosity? Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. |
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damenaz
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Pejac โข New Wave, by damenaz on Dec 19, 2022 0:21:31 GMT 1, Do you want to buy? Or just out of curiosity? Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed.
Do you want to buy? Or just out of curiosity? Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. First, I didnโt say that Iโm selling it, but this is not the main thing, we are discussing a new print and what the sale on Ebay has to do with me is not very clear. Sorry. |
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Matt 2 ttaM
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Matt 2 ttaM on Dec 19, 2022 0:24:27 GMT 1, Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. First, I didnโt say that Iโm selling it, but this is not the main thing, we are discussing a new print and what the sale on Ebay has to do with me is not very clear. Sorry.
Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. First, I didnโt say that Iโm selling it, but this is not the main thing, we are discussing a new print and what the sale on Ebay has to do with me is not very clear. Sorry. They did say you were difficult to deal with โฆ |
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Acme Thunderer on Dec 19, 2022 0:36:30 GMT 1, Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. First, I didnโt say that Iโm selling it, but this is not the main thing, we are discussing a new print and what the sale on Ebay has to do with me is not very clear. Sorry.
If you are trying to sell - there might be a buyer here as everyone keeps saying how much Pejacโs prices have exploded (after a few auctions at TateWard which have been placed by the artists management).
Just curiosity, I know a few on here have tried to make offers on the Desprestigio you also have listed. First, I didnโt say that Iโm selling it, but this is not the main thing, we are discussing a new print and what the sale on Ebay has to do with me is not very clear. Sorry. The question from Matt 2 ttaM was very much in context when you made the statement below on this thread. If you are trying to sell - there might be a buyer here as everyone keeps saying how much Pejacโs prices have exploded (after a few auctions at TateWard which have been placed by the artists management). |
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Pejac โข New Wave, by Acme Thunderer on Dec 19, 2022 0:38:43 GMT 1, How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market?
How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market? To answer this questionโฆ an average image so wouldnโt surprise me if the price goes down (especially with global recession about to hit). |
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damenaz
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Pejac โข New Wave, by damenaz on Dec 19, 2022 1:06:31 GMT 1, How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market? To answer this questionโฆ an average image so wouldnโt surprise me if the price goes down (especially with global recession about to hit
2.$250. 2014
3.$200. 2015
4.$300.2016
5.$320-2016
6.$1000-2017
7.$2600-2017
8.$1280-2018
9.$600-2018
10.$2400-2019
11.$1400-2019
12.$10000-2020
13.$3500-2021
14.$4500-2022
15$ 5500-22
How much do you think this print will cost in the secondary market? To answer this questionโฆ an average image so wouldnโt surprise me if the price goes down (especially with global recession about to hit Maybe you're right, I won't argue. How many people, so many opinions? Release costs as much as someone wants to pay for it. Statistics remain statistics and today all his works are sold more than the price of release, and these are the facts whether you like it or not is another matter. And this work on the secondary market will also be sell for more than the release price, I'm sure. we are talking about 8 years after the first print was presented. 1.$200. 2014 2.$250. 2014 3.$200. 2015 4.$300.2016 5.$320-2016 6.$1000-2017 7.$2600-2017 8.$1280-2018 9.$600-2018 10.$2400-2019 11.$1400-2019 12.$10000-2020 13.$3500-2021 14.$4500-2022 15$ 5500-22 |
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