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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 10:59:54 GMT 1, Banksy has today issued another statement with regards to tomorrows auction.
www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23560543-details/Banksy%27s+Don%27t+bank+on+it/article.do
Banksy's? Don't bank on it
Robert Mendick, Evening Standard
26.09.08
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The graffiti artist Banksy has revealed that millions of pounds worth of works attributed to him are fakes.
His admission comes ahead of a London auction of street art said to be by the artist but which he is refusing to authenticate. Five pieces are being sold for a guide price of more than £250,000.
In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction.
He said: "Graffiti art has a hard enough life as it is - with council workers wanting to remove it and kids wanting to draw moustaches on it, before you add hedgefund managers wanting to chop it out and hang it over the fireplace.
"For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place."
A body set up by the artist to verify his work has identified 226 falsely attributed pieces in eight months.
With his street art alone typically fetching £50,000 a piece, it raises the spectre of a fake Banksy industry worth millions.
The record price for one of his works was £288,000 at auction last year.
In a little noticed statement, Pest Control, the verification body, warns on its website: "[Banksy] would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals.
"Since the creation of Pest Control in January 2008 we have identified 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints falsely attributed to the artist."
The statement adds: "Banksy has a casual attitude to copyright and encourages the reproduction of his work for your own personal amusement, so it's with regret that he finds himself having to deem pieces either 'real' or 'fake'."
Banksy paints in secret, making independent identification of his art more difficult, while Pest Control refuses to authenticate any street work which he believes should be left "in situ".
Lyon & Turnbull will auction 20 works tomorrow at a deconsecrated church in Marylebone Road.
Among the five lots Banksy is refusing to authenticate are the Refuse Rat, expected to fetch £20,000, and Fungle Junk (estimate: £150,000) consisting of three panels painted on to the side of a trailer at the Lizard festival in Cornwall in 1999.
The auctioneers have turned, for the first time, to a rival authenticating body, Vermin, which is providing a "free and independent authentication and certification service, dedicated to cataloguing Banksy's street works".
Each piece will come with a Vermin certificate, judged by a panel of experts drawn from contemporary art dealers. Banksy has refused to approve their role.
Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic.
"It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Banksy has today issued another statement with regards to tomorrows auction. www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23560543-details/Banksy%27s+Don%27t+bank+on+it/article.doBanksy's? Don't bank on it Robert Mendick, Evening Standard 26.09.08 Related Articles The graffiti artist Banksy has revealed that millions of pounds worth of works attributed to him are fakes. His admission comes ahead of a London auction of street art said to be by the artist but which he is refusing to authenticate. Five pieces are being sold for a guide price of more than £250,000. In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. He said: "Graffiti art has a hard enough life as it is - with council workers wanting to remove it and kids wanting to draw moustaches on it, before you add hedgefund managers wanting to chop it out and hang it over the fireplace. "For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place." A body set up by the artist to verify his work has identified 226 falsely attributed pieces in eight months. With his street art alone typically fetching £50,000 a piece, it raises the spectre of a fake Banksy industry worth millions. The record price for one of his works was £288,000 at auction last year. In a little noticed statement, Pest Control, the verification body, warns on its website: "[Banksy] would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals. "Since the creation of Pest Control in January 2008 we have identified 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints falsely attributed to the artist." The statement adds: "Banksy has a casual attitude to copyright and encourages the reproduction of his work for your own personal amusement, so it's with regret that he finds himself having to deem pieces either 'real' or 'fake'." Banksy paints in secret, making independent identification of his art more difficult, while Pest Control refuses to authenticate any street work which he believes should be left "in situ". Lyon & Turnbull will auction 20 works tomorrow at a deconsecrated church in Marylebone Road. Among the five lots Banksy is refusing to authenticate are the Refuse Rat, expected to fetch £20,000, and Fungle Junk (estimate: £150,000) consisting of three panels painted on to the side of a trailer at the Lizard festival in Cornwall in 1999. The auctioneers have turned, for the first time, to a rival authenticating body, Vermin, which is providing a "free and independent authentication and certification service, dedicated to cataloguing Banksy's street works". Each piece will come with a Vermin certificate, judged by a panel of experts drawn from contemporary art dealers. Banksy has refused to approve their role. Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic. "It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see." |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by funster on Sept 26, 2008 11:06:19 GMT 1, What a nuisance. I was hoping that Vermin would authenticate my Dirty Funker Radar Rat album cover.
What a nuisance. I was hoping that Vermin would authenticate my Dirty Funker Radar Rat album cover.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by jonpud on Sept 26, 2008 11:08:03 GMT 1, Nice post Als, cheers!
Nice post Als, cheers!
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 11:09:58 GMT 1, i'm surprised i beat silky to it 
i'm surprised i beat silky to it |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Daniel Silk on Sept 26, 2008 11:10:12 GMT 1, Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and dont pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin 
Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and dont pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by funster on Sept 26, 2008 11:15:29 GMT 1, I say that if someone want's to pop along to an auction and spend £20k+ without doing a single bit of research no-one should stop them. So far it has been reported on the national news, newspapers, journals, forums etc etc. I think it's fair to say that whoever buys the pieces would only have been doing it as a pure speculative move.
Also does anyone know how street signs and traffic bollards can change ownership from the Highways Agency to someone in an auction just because it's been painted on? I think they should ask for their cones back - we paid for them.
Mr B saw it coming:
I say that if someone want's to pop along to an auction and spend £20k+ without doing a single bit of research no-one should stop them. So far it has been reported on the national news, newspapers, journals, forums etc etc. I think it's fair to say that whoever buys the pieces would only have been doing it as a pure speculative move. Also does anyone know how street signs and traffic bollards can change ownership from the Highways Agency to someone in an auction just because it's been painted on? I think they should ask for their cones back - we paid for them. Mr B saw it coming: |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Daniel Silk on Sept 26, 2008 11:21:06 GMT 1, Also does anyone know how street signs and traffic bollards can change ownership from the Highways Agency to someone in an auction just because it's been painted on? I think they should ask for their cones back - we paid for them.
Would be funny to have a bloke in a florescent jacket from the Highways Agency walked in while the auction was on and take them back ;D
Hold on a minute!  thats gonna give someone an idea  where can you hire a Highways Agency outfit? 
Also does anyone know how street signs and traffic bollards can change ownership from the Highways Agency to someone in an auction just because it's been painted on? I think they should ask for their cones back - we paid for them. Would be funny to have a bloke in a florescent jacket from the Highways Agency walked in while the auction was on and take them back ;D Hold on a minute! thats gonna give someone an idea where can you hire a Highways Agency outfit? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 11:31:29 GMT 1, the Highway Agency only deals with motorways Silky - sorry just pissed on your parade there
the Highway Agency only deals with motorways Silky - sorry just pissed on your parade there |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by silvermyn on Sept 26, 2008 12:02:25 GMT 1, Good article. Should focus a few buyers minds before the auction and hopefully it will go some way towards putting vermin out of business.
Good article. Should focus a few buyers minds before the auction and hopefully it will go some way towards putting vermin out of business.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by pfffffffffft on Sept 26, 2008 12:04:52 GMT 1, Thanks for posting this Als, Lyon and Turnbull might have a bit of a legal issue on their hands selling these now after the artist proclaimed they are not his.
Thanks for posting this Als, Lyon and Turnbull might have a bit of a legal issue on their hands selling these now after the artist proclaimed they are not his.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by senna on Sept 26, 2008 12:09:49 GMT 1, Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and dont pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin
Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and DO pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin
I swear if I won the lottery, I'd get hold of as many of the street pieces i could get hold of (obviously the s**t already taken) & put them all in a museum (free entrance) for all to view forever.
but that wouldn't work would it. Some c**t 'll f**k that up in some way
Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and dont pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin Lets just hope that whoever buys those pieces at auction know the whole story, and DO pop up in a few weeks or months time asking for their money back from Lyon & Turnbull or Vermin I swear if I won the lottery, I'd get hold of as many of the street pieces i could get hold of (obviously the s**t already taken) & put them all in a museum (free entrance) for all to view forever. but that wouldn't work would it. Some c**t 'll f**k that up in some way |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 12:13:15 GMT 1, Thanks for posting this Als, Lyon and Turnbull might have a bit of a legal issue on their hands selling these now after the artist proclaimed they are not his.
where does it say they are fake?
Thanks for posting this Als, Lyon and Turnbull might have a bit of a legal issue on their hands selling these now after the artist proclaimed they are not his. where does it say they are fake? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 12:17:02 GMT 1, got to love how your mind works senna.
These 4 pieces have now been tainted, so who in their right mind would buy them anyway?? Whoever does, I would want them to try and sell it on, then realise they spunked a shed load of money, to find out they bought a fake.
got to love how your mind works senna.
These 4 pieces have now been tainted, so who in their right mind would buy them anyway?? Whoever does, I would want them to try and sell it on, then realise they spunked a shed load of money, to find out they bought a fake.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 12:18:31 GMT 1, read the article again graeme, pooing your pants that your Stop and Search piece may not sell now, so you wont get to go to Santas Ghetto 08?
read the article again graeme, pooing your pants that your Stop and Search piece may not sell now, so you wont get to go to Santas Ghetto 08?
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 12:22:35 GMT 1, ive read the artical, it just says he refuses to authenticate which stands in line with pest controls statement, and says there are lots of fakes, doesnt say the pieces in L&T are fakes
if i cant go, im sure u will give a good account of what the view of the ghetto is like from up banksy's arse
ive read the artical, it just says he refuses to authenticate which stands in line with pest controls statement, and says there are lots of fakes, doesnt say the pieces in L&T are fakes
if i cant go, im sure u will give a good account of what the view of the ghetto is like from up banksy's arse
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 12:24:34 GMT 1, if i cant go, im sure u will give a good account of what the view of the ghetto is like from up banksy's arse
it will be a better view then sitting in your bedroom wishing you were there
if i cant go, im sure u will give a good account of what the view of the ghetto is like from up banksy's arse it will be a better view then sitting in your bedroom wishing you were there |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 12:26:47 GMT 1, i dont know about that, it seems to be getting mighty crowded up there at the moment, get in early and reserve ur space eh
i dont know about that, it seems to be getting mighty crowded up there at the moment, get in early and reserve ur space eh
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by bobbyt23 on Sept 26, 2008 12:28:48 GMT 1, read the article again graeme, pooing your pants that your Stop and Search piece may not sell now, so you wont get to go to Santas Ghetto 08?
What Stop and Search piece?
read the article again graeme, pooing your pants that your Stop and Search piece may not sell now, so you wont get to go to Santas Ghetto 08? What Stop and Search piece? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 26, 2008 12:30:39 GMT 1, funny how money/greed changes peoples views - one minute graeme you are pro-banksy and how you wish you hadnt put this piece in to this auction, now you fear that this auction may flop, you turn against the people who are trying to protect his interest and art. Dont worry you are not alone on this forum mate - perhaps you should start your own forum - call it "I can't take it to the Banksy"
funny how money/greed changes peoples views - one minute graeme you are pro-banksy and how you wish you hadnt put this piece in to this auction, now you fear that this auction may flop, you turn against the people who are trying to protect his interest and art. Dont worry you are not alone on this forum mate - perhaps you should start your own forum - call it "I can't take it to the Banksy"
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by buffin on Sept 26, 2008 12:36:48 GMT 1, Hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
Hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Daniel Silk on Sept 26, 2008 12:55:17 GMT 1, Hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
I we be boycotting the auction for sure! ;D
And it has nothing to do with me only having two pounds to spend
Hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction. I we be boycotting the auction for sure! ;D And it has nothing to do with me only having two pounds to spend |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by ejvaze on Sept 26, 2008 13:02:06 GMT 1, Also in the Metro
Watch out for fakes, warns Banksy
www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=banksy&searchheadlines=1
I'm pleased to see this hitting the headlines
graeme you are selling your top and Search for SG 08???
REALLY ? That isn't what you told me ? 
Not everything is transparent it seems
Re the comment from the auction house I am amazed that they should stoop so low
Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic.
"It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Lets HOPE sense DOES prevail and these Lots go UNSOLD
How can THEY possibly go against a LIVING artist views and wishes and still command respect in the auction world.
and I agree with buffin
I too hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
May I add graeme has every right to sell his stop and search to whoever he likes however he likes .... I just like to be told the truth
Also in the Metro Watch out for fakes, warns Banksy www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=banksy&searchheadlines=1I'm pleased to see this hitting the headlines graeme you are selling your top and Search for SG 08??? REALLY ? That isn't what you told me ? Not everything is transparent it seems Re the comment from the auction house I am amazed that they should stoop so low Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic.
"It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Lets HOPE sense DOES prevail and these Lots go UNSOLD How can THEY possibly go against a LIVING artist views and wishes and still command respect in the auction world. and I agree with buffin I too hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
May I add graeme has every right to sell his stop and search to whoever he likes however he likes .... I just like to be told the truth |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by bobbyt23 on Sept 26, 2008 13:16:33 GMT 1, Also in the Metro Watch out for fakes, warns Banksy www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=banksy&searchheadlines=1I'm pleased to see this hitting the headlines graeme you are selling your top and Search for SG 08??? REALLY ? That isn't what you told me ? Not everything is transparent it seems Re the comment from the auction house I am amazed that they should stoop so low Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic.
"It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Lets HOPE sense DOES prevail and these Lots go UNSOLD How can THEY possibly go against a LIVING artist views and wishes and still command respect in the auction world. and I agree with buffin I too hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
May I add graeme has every right to sell his stop and search to whoever he likes however he likes .... I just like to be told the truth
Why what were you told?
Also in the Metro Watch out for fakes, warns Banksy www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=banksy&searchheadlines=1I'm pleased to see this hitting the headlines graeme you are selling your top and Search for SG 08??? REALLY ? That isn't what you told me ? Not everything is transparent it seems Re the comment from the auction house I am amazed that they should stoop so low Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic.
"It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Lets HOPE sense DOES prevail and these Lots go UNSOLD How can THEY possibly go against a LIVING artist views and wishes and still command respect in the auction world. and I agree with buffin I too hope people on the forum will follow Banksy's request to boycott the auction.
May I add graeme has every right to sell his stop and search to whoever he likes however he likes .... I just like to be told the truth Why what were you told? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 13:19:06 GMT 1, no, im selling it for the reason that i told u vazie, for the herakut commission, ask frankie
i said that i am planning to go to sg08, but thats not why im selling the stop and search, also, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff
no, im selling it for the reason that i told u vazie, for the herakut commission, ask frankie
i said that i am planning to go to sg08, but thats not why im selling the stop and search, also, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by bobbyt23 on Sept 26, 2008 13:21:39 GMT 1, no, im selling it for the reason that i told u vazie, for the herakut commission, ask frankie i said that i am planning to go to sg08, but thats not why im selling the stop and search, also, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff
In the end of the day it's yours to do what you like with.
If I had any work in this auction I would be worried this recent news could have detrimentle effects though. But who knows!
no, im selling it for the reason that i told u vazie, for the herakut commission, ask frankie i said that i am planning to go to sg08, but thats not why im selling the stop and search, also, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff In the end of the day it's yours to do what you like with. If I had any work in this auction I would be worried this recent news could have detrimentle effects though. But who knows! |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by doublehelix on Sept 26, 2008 13:25:58 GMT 1, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff
Are you considering removing it?
Not only are they offering up the unauthorised Banksy pieces they are also trying to sell some pieces form the Colony Room in London that have disputed ownership.
i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff Are you considering removing it? Not only are they offering up the unauthorised Banksy pieces they are also trying to sell some pieces form the Colony Room in London that have disputed ownership. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 13:26:11 GMT 1, yeah, i tried to sell it on the forum, but had no takers, then i heard that lyon and turnbull were having their 1st contempoary auction, so i got in contact with them, and they took it, the cold war is also mine
ive never hid the fact that i had two pieces in this auction, and the stop and search was on my wall, i just needed to raise funds when the oppertunity for a herakut canvas came up, and the stop and search was the most expensive piece in my collection that i was willing to let go of
if it doesnt sell and i get it back, then there is no problems, i would be happy with that outcome
yeah, i tried to sell it on the forum, but had no takers, then i heard that lyon and turnbull were having their 1st contempoary auction, so i got in contact with them, and they took it, the cold war is also mine
ive never hid the fact that i had two pieces in this auction, and the stop and search was on my wall, i just needed to raise funds when the oppertunity for a herakut canvas came up, and the stop and search was the most expensive piece in my collection that i was willing to let go of
if it doesnt sell and i get it back, then there is no problems, i would be happy with that outcome
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 26, 2008 13:28:43 GMT 1, i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff Are you considering removing it? Not only are they offering up the unauthorised Banksy pieces they are also trying to sell some pieces form the Colony Room in London that have disputed ownership.
i considered removing it, but i have already paid money for the pest control COA, and the photograph charges and all that, and have the herakut to pay for, its not an ideal situation and in a perfect world i would withdraw it from sale
but i havent entered any street pieces, and my banksy doesn't have disputed ownership, i cant help what other people put in this auction
i did put it in the auction pre-vermin and all this stuff Are you considering removing it? Not only are they offering up the unauthorised Banksy pieces they are also trying to sell some pieces form the Colony Room in London that have disputed ownership. i considered removing it, but i have already paid money for the pest control COA, and the photograph charges and all that, and have the herakut to pay for, its not an ideal situation and in a perfect world i would withdraw it from sale but i havent entered any street pieces, and my banksy doesn't have disputed ownership, i cant help what other people put in this auction |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by carl on Sept 26, 2008 13:32:43 GMT 1, Stop and search print or original?
Stop and search print or original?
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by ejvaze on Sept 26, 2008 13:34:36 GMT 1, Thank you for clarifying that graeme as I said you are within your rights to sell anything you like to who ever you like.
I am surprised that anyone would sell something of such value through a lesser known auction house when there are some very good ones in London who have maybe a better client contact list and also a track record of selling PC COA Banksy work but that's just my opinion.
I understand what you are saying re the sale and what it is for But I would not sell anything myself through this auction house.
What you have spent on PC COA is NOT a Waste of Money and the cost of photography is small.
Thank you for clarifying that graeme as I said you are within your rights to sell anything you like to who ever you like.
I am surprised that anyone would sell something of such value through a lesser known auction house when there are some very good ones in London who have maybe a better client contact list and also a track record of selling PC COA Banksy work but that's just my opinion.
I understand what you are saying re the sale and what it is for But I would not sell anything myself through this auction house.
What you have spent on PC COA is NOT a Waste of Money and the cost of photography is small.
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thats gonna give someone an idea 
where can you hire a Highways Agency outfit? 
