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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by ejvaze on Sept 26, 2008 21:59:44 GMT 1, Can YOU post something more that one word G That is POSITIVE and CALMING PLEASE SORRY 3 words ;D
This is the point we all getting our Kickers in a twist re this subject rather than standing up for the artist who is the reason we are here and buy that i mean for what ever reason.
SO lets stop the Bickering and remember without this artist Most of us would not have the collections we have or be here to discuss and argue the merits of art the universe and life ;D
Can YOU post something more that one word G That is POSITIVE and CALMING PLEASE SORRY 3 words ;D This is the point we all getting our Kickers in a twist re this subject rather than standing up for the artist who is the reason we are here and buy that i mean for what ever reason. SO lets stop the Bickering and remember without this artist Most of us would not have the collections we have or be here to discuss and argue the merits of art the universe and life ;D |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by buffin on Sept 26, 2008 22:32:16 GMT 1, Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction.
Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this.
Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction.
Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by paulypaul on Sept 26, 2008 22:35:19 GMT 1, Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this.
I am sure that much of what happens on this forum diappoints the artist...
Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this. I am sure that much of what happens on this forum diappoints the artist... |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by ejvaze on Sept 26, 2008 22:37:42 GMT 1, Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this. I am sure that much of what happens on this forum diappoints the artist...
I agree with buffin and yourslf
may i quote banksy
"For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place."
Quote - In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. Banksy doesn't ask much of us so I hope that members of a forum bearing his name would adhere to this. I am sure that much of what happens on this forum diappoints the artist... I agree with buffin and yourslf may i quote banksy "For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place." |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by shaunyboy on Sept 26, 2008 23:32:24 GMT 1, Banksy has today issued another statement with regards to tomorrows auction. www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23560543-details/Banksy%27s+Don%27t+bank+on+it/article.doBanksy's? Don't bank on it Robert Mend**k, Evening Standard 26.09.08 Related Articles The graffiti artist Banksy has revealed that millions of pounds worth of works attributed to him are fakes. His admission comes ahead of a London auction of street art said to be by the artist but which he is refusing to authenticate. Five pieces are being sold for a guide price of more than £250,000. In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. He said: "Graffiti art has a hard enough life as it is - with council workers wanting to remove it and kids wanting to draw moustaches on it, before you add hedgefund managers wanting to chop it out and hang it over the fireplace. "For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place." A body set up by the artist to verify his work has identified 226 falsely attributed pieces in eight months. With his street art alone typically fetching £50,000 a piece, it raises the spectre of a fake Banksy industry worth millions. The record price for one of his works was £288,000 at auction last year. In a little noticed statement, Pest Control, the verification body, warns on its website: "[Banksy] would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals. "Since the creation of Pest Control in January 2008 we have identified 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints falsely attributed to the artist." The statement adds: "Banksy has a casual attitude to copyright and encourages the reproduction of his work for your own personal amusement, so it's with regret that he finds himself having to deem pieces either 'real' or 'fake'." Banksy paints in secret, making independent identification of his art more difficult, while Pest Control refuses to authenticate any street work which he believes should be left "in situ". Lyon & Turnbull will auction 20 works tomorrow at a deconsecrated church in Marylebone Road. Among the five lots Banksy is refusing to authenticate are the Refuse Rat, expected to fetch £20,000, and Fungle Junk (estimate: £150,000) consisting of three panels painted on to the side of a trailer at the Lizard festival in Cornwall in 1999. The auctioneers have turned, for the first time, to a rival authenticating body, Vermin, which is providing a "free and independent authentication and certification service, dedicated to cataloguing Banksy's street works". Each piece will come with a Vermin certificate, judged by a panel of experts drawn from contemporary art dealers. Banksy has refused to approve their role. Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic. "It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see."
Does anyone know where we can read the NEW Banksy statement? I can see the one on Pest Control that has been there a few weeks now but I cannot find this new one.
Anyone know where it is?
Banksy has today issued another statement with regards to tomorrows auction. www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23560543-details/Banksy%27s+Don%27t+bank+on+it/article.doBanksy's? Don't bank on it Robert Mend**k, Evening Standard 26.09.08 Related Articles The graffiti artist Banksy has revealed that millions of pounds worth of works attributed to him are fakes. His admission comes ahead of a London auction of street art said to be by the artist but which he is refusing to authenticate. Five pieces are being sold for a guide price of more than £250,000. In a statement issued through his publicist, Banksy urged buyers to boycott tomorrow's auction. He said: "Graffiti art has a hard enough life as it is - with council workers wanting to remove it and kids wanting to draw moustaches on it, before you add hedgefund managers wanting to chop it out and hang it over the fireplace. "For the sake of keeping all street art where it belongs I'd encourage people not to buy anything by anybody unless it was created for sale in the first place." A body set up by the artist to verify his work has identified 226 falsely attributed pieces in eight months. With his street art alone typically fetching £50,000 a piece, it raises the spectre of a fake Banksy industry worth millions. The record price for one of his works was £288,000 at auction last year. In a little noticed statement, Pest Control, the verification body, warns on its website: "[Banksy] would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals. "Since the creation of Pest Control in January 2008 we have identified 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints falsely attributed to the artist." The statement adds: "Banksy has a casual attitude to copyright and encourages the reproduction of his work for your own personal amusement, so it's with regret that he finds himself having to deem pieces either 'real' or 'fake'." Banksy paints in secret, making independent identification of his art more difficult, while Pest Control refuses to authenticate any street work which he believes should be left "in situ". Lyon & Turnbull will auction 20 works tomorrow at a deconsecrated church in Marylebone Road. Among the five lots Banksy is refusing to authenticate are the Refuse Rat, expected to fetch £20,000, and Fungle Junk (estimate: £150,000) consisting of three panels painted on to the side of a trailer at the Lizard festival in Cornwall in 1999. The auctioneers have turned, for the first time, to a rival authenticating body, Vermin, which is providing a "free and independent authentication and certification service, dedicated to cataloguing Banksy's street works". Each piece will come with a Vermin certificate, judged by a panel of experts drawn from contemporary art dealers. Banksy has refused to approve their role. Ben Hanly, head of contemporary art at Lyon & Turnbull, said: "We are sure these street works are authentic. "It would be absolute madness for us to sell anything we don't believe is genuine. But whether the market agrees with us, we shall see." Does anyone know where we can read the NEW Banksy statement? I can see the one on Pest Control that has been there a few weeks now but I cannot find this new one. Anyone know where it is? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by shaunyboy on Sept 27, 2008 0:19:31 GMT 1,
So we only have reports of the statement and nowhere to actually see the whole statement. Is that right?
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by robinbarton49 on Sept 27, 2008 1:02:49 GMT 1, Ok guys...it's been interesting talking, but my work here is done, to summarize, i do think it is important that all credible 'street artists' have a 'spokesperson' who is versed in how to manipulate the media to good effect (nice work by the way)...i should add that if my intention had been to bring down the brand that is 'Banksy inc' it would have been very simple as Robin himself knows all he has do do is a handful of interviews explaining what he is about and the media eyes would glaze over and game over.... but as your all quick to point out i'm just a "cokehead get rich quick scumbag" (i paraphrase).
What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck!
Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such! ..... All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions').
That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!).
Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth.
Lyon + Turnbull have bravely done what i know other auction houses would like to do and that is seek to wrest the 'control' from 'Pest control'.....I reiterate if the artist known as Banksy really wants to put pay to 'Vermin' simply put in place an amnesty for the very small number of 'street works' that were collected for the right reasons (artistic appreciation) before they had perceived worth and Vermin will go away permanently.
Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...).
R
Ok guys...it's been interesting talking, but my work here is done, to summarize, i do think it is important that all credible 'street artists' have a 'spokesperson' who is versed in how to manipulate the media to good effect (nice work by the way)...i should add that if my intention had been to bring down the brand that is 'Banksy inc' it would have been very simple as Robin himself knows all he has do do is a handful of interviews explaining what he is about and the media eyes would glaze over and game over.... but as your all quick to point out i'm just a "cokehead get rich quick scumbag" (i paraphrase).
What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck!
Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such! ..... All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions').
That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!).
Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth.
Lyon + Turnbull have bravely done what i know other auction houses would like to do and that is seek to wrest the 'control' from 'Pest control'.....I reiterate if the artist known as Banksy really wants to put pay to 'Vermin' simply put in place an amnesty for the very small number of 'street works' that were collected for the right reasons (artistic appreciation) before they had perceived worth and Vermin will go away permanently.
Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...).
R
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by snausages on Sept 27, 2008 1:06:59 GMT 1, Amen!
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by jam on Sept 27, 2008 1:40:05 GMT 1, Ok guys...Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...). R
Ta... don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. 
Ok guys...Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...). R Ta... don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by ejvaze on Sept 27, 2008 2:34:42 GMT 1, Ok guys...it's been interesting talking, but my work here is done, to summarize, i do think it is important that all credible 'street artists' have a 'spokesperson' who is versed in how to manipulate the media to good effect (nice work by the way)...i should add that if my intention had been to bring down the brand that is 'Banksy inc' it would have been very simple as Robin himself knows all he has do do is a handful of interviews explaining what he is about and the media eyes would glaze over and game over.... but as your all quick to point out i'm just a "cokehead get rich quick scumbag" (i paraphrase). What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck! Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such! ..... All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions'). That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!). Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth. Lyon + Turnbull have bravely done what i know other auction houses would like to do and that is seek to wrest the 'control' from 'Pest control'.....I reiterate if the artist known as Banksy really wants to put pay to 'Vermin' simply put in place an amnesty for the very small number of 'street works' that were collected for the right reasons (artistic appreciation) before they had perceived worth and Vermin will go away permanently. Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...). R
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shepherded about by vazie
what a sweet thought
I think I may change my avatar
Actually it is not the insult that you thought it was at all Mr ROBIN BARTON
A Shepardess is a fascinating female character, a fundamentally effective woman who has obviously managed to hold down a job as a shepherd, a woman in a mans world, and has established a nurturing relationship with her charges, who are called 'her sheep'--NOT because she owns them, for SHEPARDS ARE USUALLY SERVANTS, women shepherds especially, but because SHE HOLDS HERSELF RESPONSIBLE for them.
This is a positive female character.
This is a woman who refuses to let her own equanimity be troubled by tripes.
This is a woman who cares
This is a kind woman
The lot of the shepherd has always been an exceedingly humble one: their isolation from human society, their exposure to the elements and their inevitably low wages.
Thank you Mr ROBIN BARTON
YES I DO CARE VERY MUCH for the people I like and meet and I care A GREAT DEAL ABOUT MY FRIENDS.
some say to me your so nice yet I have only known you a short time your so caring and generous why?
The world has made us distruse Kind caring people because we think they must want something from us when that is not the case.
Well The reason I CARE about my FRIENDS is Not because I wish to gain anything from them other than friendship. There are in this world as we can see from yourself people who have forgotten to CARE about others and think ONLY of themselves.
I do CARE about others and I care a great deal about my friends some of which you'll find on here on the forum of all places and also out in the bigger world.
It saddens me that so many should think only of thier own good.
A sheperhess is unselfish in her ways she CARES about her flock and her flock TAKE her to places she has never been she will wander with them a sheperdess is not a sheep dog rounding up her sheep but someone who follows the flock and makes sure they do not come to any harm always there if needed.
Unselfish in her ways prepared to be there in all sorts of weather giving up her own desires for others.
You have forgotten MR ROBIN BARTON the most famous sheperd of them all was Jesus some thing flocks of people have looked up to over the centrys and some tried to be guied by.
I am not a religious person but
Thank you I like the idea I am in fact VERY FLATTERED to be seen as a Shepardess
Better than the person you seem to have made yourself out to be
The other day some where on the VERMIN thread you stated and I quote in answer to Als
suggestion, if you are so caring re the preservation of the artists street pieces to maybe send the reclaimed work to PC and Banksy you state
Happy to do so at market value... excuse me if i've missed the point but he doesn't own them, best he markets the stuff he safely studio creates (the stuff collectors don't care for!)
Banksy doesn't own them, ?!
And it is OK for you to sell them after they have been ripped off from the wall. It is OK for YOU to make money out of the sale of this stolen work ripped off the wall work put there FREE by someone WHO DOES NOT OWN THEM ?!
I have grown up in an artistic family ... my mother is a fine artist... the first part of your statement is said with NO real understanding for art and artists.... art IS apart of the artist and in effect being part of them owned by them apart of their inner being apart of their sole....
the second part I find incomprehensible
best he markets the stuff he safely studio creates (THE STUFF COLLECTORS DON'T CARE FOR) ?!
Are you MAD
Banksy's studio work is as important and as much apart of this artist as his street work and as A COLLECTOR myself.
I for one think his studio work is amazing and from AN ARTISTIC POINT of VIEW as important as his street work. I say from AN ARTISTIC POINT OF VIEW not from a MONETY POINT OF VIEW.
I detest the idea of a street piece having been stolen and placed in an environment it was not made for ie inside looked at by a few.
The placing of any of Banksy's street pieces is as important as the work itself and once removed from its environment from an artistic point of view diminishes the meaning of the piece and it's impact.
BANKSY is a CARING PERSON.
Ok guys...it's been interesting talking, but my work here is done, to summarize, i do think it is important that all credible 'street artists' have a 'spokesperson' who is versed in how to manipulate the media to good effect (nice work by the way)...i should add that if my intention had been to bring down the brand that is 'Banksy inc' it would have been very simple as Robin himself knows all he has do do is a handful of interviews explaining what he is about and the media eyes would glaze over and game over.... but as your all quick to point out i'm just a "cokehead get rich quick scumbag" (i paraphrase). What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck! Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such! ..... All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions'). That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!). Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth. Lyon + Turnbull have bravely done what i know other auction houses would like to do and that is seek to wrest the 'control' from 'Pest control'.....I reiterate if the artist known as Banksy really wants to put pay to 'Vermin' simply put in place an amnesty for the very small number of 'street works' that were collected for the right reasons (artistic appreciation) before they had perceived worth and Vermin will go away permanently. Got to go .... (i've an auction to go to...). R quote shepherded about by vazie what a sweet thought I think I may change my avatar Actually it is not the insult that you thought it was at all Mr ROBIN BARTON A Shepardess is a fascinating female character, a fundamentally effective woman who has obviously managed to hold down a job as a shepherd, a woman in a mans world, and has established a nurturing relationship with her charges, who are called 'her sheep'--NOT because she owns them, for SHEPARDS ARE USUALLY SERVANTS, women shepherds especially, but because SHE HOLDS HERSELF RESPONSIBLE for them. This is a positive female character. This is a woman who refuses to let her own equanimity be troubled by tripes. This is a woman who cares This is a kind woman The lot of the shepherd has always been an exceedingly humble one: their isolation from human society, their exposure to the elements and their inevitably low wages. Thank you Mr ROBIN BARTON YES I DO CARE VERY MUCH for the people I like and meet and I care A GREAT DEAL ABOUT MY FRIENDS. some say to me your so nice yet I have only known you a short time your so caring and generous why? The world has made us distruse Kind caring people because we think they must want something from us when that is not the case. Well The reason I CARE about my FRIENDS is Not because I wish to gain anything from them other than friendship. There are in this world as we can see from yourself people who have forgotten to CARE about others and think ONLY of themselves. I do CARE about others and I care a great deal about my friends some of which you'll find on here on the forum of all places and also out in the bigger world. It saddens me that so many should think only of thier own good. A sheperhess is unselfish in her ways she CARES about her flock and her flock TAKE her to places she has never been she will wander with them a sheperdess is not a sheep dog rounding up her sheep but someone who follows the flock and makes sure they do not come to any harm always there if needed. Unselfish in her ways prepared to be there in all sorts of weather giving up her own desires for others. You have forgotten MR ROBIN BARTON the most famous sheperd of them all was Jesus some thing flocks of people have looked up to over the centrys and some tried to be guied by. I am not a religious person but Thank you I like the idea I am in fact VERY FLATTERED to be seen as a Shepardess Better than the person you seem to have made yourself out to be The other day some where on the VERMIN thread you stated and I quote in answer to Als suggestion, if you are so caring re the preservation of the artists street pieces to maybe send the reclaimed work to PC and Banksy you state Happy to do so at market value... excuse me if i've missed the point but he doesn't own them, best he markets the stuff he safely studio creates (the stuff collectors don't care for!) Banksy doesn't own them, ?! And it is OK for you to sell them after they have been ripped off from the wall. It is OK for YOU to make money out of the sale of this stolen work ripped off the wall work put there FREE by someone WHO DOES NOT OWN THEM ?! I have grown up in an artistic family ... my mother is a fine artist... the first part of your statement is said with NO real understanding for art and artists.... art IS apart of the artist and in effect being part of them owned by them apart of their inner being apart of their sole.... the second part I find incomprehensible best he markets the stuff he safely studio creates (THE STUFF COLLECTORS DON'T CARE FOR) ?!
Are you MAD Banksy's studio work is as important and as much apart of this artist as his street work and as A COLLECTOR myself. I for one think his studio work is amazing and from AN ARTISTIC POINT of VIEW as important as his street work. I say from AN ARTISTIC POINT OF VIEW not from a MONETY POINT OF VIEW. I detest the idea of a street piece having been stolen and placed in an environment it was not made for ie inside looked at by a few. The placing of any of Banksy's street pieces is as important as the work itself and once removed from its environment from an artistic point of view diminishes the meaning of the piece and it's impact. BANKSY is a CARING PERSON. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Daniel Silk on Sept 27, 2008 7:02:15 GMT 1, What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als)
ahhh! thats a classic ;D
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by nickodey on Sept 27, 2008 8:50:25 GMT 1, do you see any in a contentious auction? Did i say I need to sell to buy? No to either - now go and sell your banksy and buy your herakut - see you at SG08!! and thanks for the free plug - all pieces are still available for those who are interested will i see you at SG08? word on the street is u better hope its outside london and NYC if u want to buy anything
do you see any in a contentious auction? Did i say I need to sell to buy? No to either - now go and sell your banksy and buy your herakut - see you at SG08!! and thanks for the free plug - all pieces are still available for those who are interested will i see you at SG08? word on the street is u better hope its outside london and NYC if u want to buy anything HILARIOUS THE TWO MOST ORRIBLE c**tS ON THE FORUM HAVIN I b**ch FIGHT.......HA HA KEEP IT UP GIRLS !!!! |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by savilerogue on Sept 27, 2008 10:02:07 GMT 1, What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck!
I'm not 'shepherded' by vazie or Silky. I have publicly disagreed with Silky about many things on this board, hell, he even banned me once. I do happen to agree with both of them on this issue, however. I also think that to accuse people of being 'shepherded' simply because 99% of right-thinking people disagree with you and your actions is a particularly weak and underhand response.
Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such!
Not as 'flawed' as Vermin though is it - run by faceless chancers against the express wish of the artist? Thankfully it seems as if the wheels are already coming off this grubby little enterprise.
All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions').
I thought that this would all come down to money, after all, that's what floats your boat isn't it, not a love of art?
That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!).
I have a banksy trolleys on my wall. It's not an investment though, its a piece of art, and I won't be selling it, so you're making assumptions about the motives of forum members that betrays your own money-grabbing attitude to art.
Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth.
You really are a stupid c**t aren't you? Banksy is not trying to maintain 'ownership' - he is doing the exact opposite. Furthermore Neate's pieces were left on the street specifically to be collected - Banksy's work is on the street for the public to enjoy, so to draw parallels between the two as you do is particularly hare-brained.
What i like most about you guys is the way your shepherded about by vazie and silky like so many whipped backbenchers, you even have your own John Prescott (Als) but sadly unlike a government (even a bad one) you have neither teeth nor purpose you blether on in this dark little vacuum about "respecting the artists wishes" as if you will be rewarded in the afterlife by lord Banksy..... unlikely but good luck! I'm not 'shepherded' by vazie or Silky. I have publicly disagreed with Silky about many things on this board, hell, he even banned me once. I do happen to agree with both of them on this issue, however. I also think that to accuse people of being 'shepherded' simply because 99% of right-thinking people disagree with you and your actions is a particularly weak and underhand response. Pest Control is a perfectly reasonable proposition but is flawed as it acts as a 'spokesperson' for a 'living artist' unlike the 'Warhol Foundation' (set up after the artists death) if the artist believes a work to be a fake all he need do is name it as such! Not as 'flawed' as Vermin though is it - run by faceless chancers against the express wish of the artist? Thankfully it seems as if the wheels are already coming off this grubby little enterprise. All this name calling and subterfuge masks what is essentially a canny piece of marketing if a work is a fake/forgery it can be easily revealed as such by the artist (there is no threat of legal redress for vandalism). 'Banksy inc' is an incredibly successful business that has netted in excess of £2mil in primary print sales alone (ignoring the many 'specials' and 'canvas editions'). I thought that this would all come down to money, after all, that's what floats your boat isn't it, not a love of art? That a forum even exists is a form of financial protectionism, i doubt many if any of you have no financial investment (however small) in the artist (ironically i have none..) and your small investments form the building blocks of a fascinating but flawed business model... if you have time on your hands do the sums (your all shareholders!). I have a banksy trolleys on my wall. It's not an investment though, its a piece of art, and I won't be selling it, so you're making assumptions about the motives of forum members that betrays your own money-grabbing attitude to art. Lastly, i don't buy the whole artists wishes line, if an artist puts his work into the public domain he automatically rescinds the right to ownership (as it should be)....i can't honestly imagine 'Adam Neate' turning around and denying his early works left on the streets of London just because they now have perceived worth. You really are a stupid c**t aren't you? Banksy is not trying to maintain 'ownership' - he is doing the exact opposite. Furthermore Neate's pieces were left on the street specifically to be collected - Banksy's work is on the street for the public to enjoy, so to draw parallels between the two as you do is particularly hare-brained. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 10:34:11 GMT 1, shepherded about by vazie what a sweet thought I think I may change my avatar Actually it is not the insult that you thought it was at all Mr ROBIN BARTON Thank you Mr ROBIN BARTON . . . ...You have forgotten MR ROBIN BARTON the most famous sheperd of them all was Jesus some thing flocks of people have looked up to over the centrys and some tried to be guied by. YOU SEEM TO BE EQUATING YOURSELF TO THAT 'SOME THING' JESUS -
FOR THOSE READING THIS FORUM WHO THINK VAZIE MAYBE JESUS CAN I REMIND YOU WHAT BANKSY WROTE ON THE PARIS HILTON CD 'THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE ICONS' I am not a religious person but ARE YOU SURE? ? ?. . SCIENTOLOGY MAYBE  ?  . . Thank you I like the idea I am in fact VERY FLATTERED to be seen as a Shepardess JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS MAN WAS AND IS ALSO VIEWED BY MANY AS A SHEPHERD And it is OK for you to sell them after they have been ripped off from the wall. VAZIE - PERHAPS YOUR WRONG....WHAT ABOUT THE PIECES THAT WERE 'SOLD' BY THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEREFORE NOT STOLEN It is OK for YOU to make money out of the sale of this stolen work ripped off the wall work put there FREE by someone WHO DOES NOT OWN THEM ?! ERR...DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ?I have grown up in an artistic family ... A LOT OF US HAVE - SO WHAT ? my mother is a fine artist... the first part of your statement is said with NO real understanding for art and artists.... art IS apart of the artist and in effect being part of them owned by them apart of their inner being apart of their sole.... the second part I find incomprehensible VAZIE - THIS FORUM IS ABOUT DEBATE. DEBATE IS NOT POSSIBLE IF ONLY ONE VIEW IS EXPRESSED ALL THE TIME. YOU'VE CUT AND PASTED PEST CONTROL STATEMENTS LIKE MIND WASHING PROPAGANDA CONTINUOUSLY - IT'S DULL !
shepherded about by vazie what a sweet thought I think I may change my avatar Actually it is not the insult that you thought it was at all Mr ROBIN BARTON Thank you Mr ROBIN BARTON . . . ...You have forgotten MR ROBIN BARTON the most famous sheperd of them all was Jesus some thing flocks of people have looked up to over the centrys and some tried to be guied by. YOU SEEM TO BE EQUATING YOURSELF TO THAT 'SOME THING' JESUS -
FOR THOSE READING THIS FORUM WHO THINK VAZIE MAYBE JESUS CAN I REMIND YOU WHAT BANKSY WROTE ON THE PARIS HILTON CD 'THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE ICONS' I am not a religious person but ARE YOU SURE? ? ?. . SCIENTOLOGY MAYBE ? . . Thank you I like the idea I am in fact VERY FLATTERED to be seen as a Shepardess JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS MAN WAS AND IS ALSO VIEWED BY MANY AS A SHEPHERDAnd it is OK for you to sell them after they have been ripped off from the wall. VAZIE - PERHAPS YOUR WRONG....WHAT ABOUT THE PIECES THAT WERE 'SOLD' BY THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEREFORE NOT STOLEN It is OK for YOU to make money out of the sale of this stolen work ripped off the wall work put there FREE by someone WHO DOES NOT OWN THEM ?! ERR...DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ?I have grown up in an artistic family ... A LOT OF US HAVE - SO WHAT ? my mother is a fine artist... the first part of your statement is said with NO real understanding for art and artists.... art IS apart of the artist and in effect being part of them owned by them apart of their inner being apart of their sole.... the second part I find incomprehensible VAZIE - THIS FORUM IS ABOUT DEBATE. DEBATE IS NOT POSSIBLE IF ONLY ONE VIEW IS EXPRESSED ALL THE TIME. YOU'VE CUT AND PASTED PEST CONTROL STATEMENTS LIKE MIND WASHING PROPAGANDA CONTINUOUSLY - IT'S DULL ! |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by weaver on Sept 27, 2008 11:03:01 GMT 1, This thread is great, random people creeping out of the woodwork posting with accounts that are either new or 3 years old and been used to post 5 times....... Either way they seem to have enough background and knowledge of the established members who are not scared to post their opinion under their own recognised persona.
I find it amusing that those trying to defend Vermin seem to be doing so in the same manner as the vermin ethos itself, by remaining as unrecognisable as possible. Biggerbird, smudger, J&J etc.... why not try posting under your regular personas rather than hiding behind these newly created or seldom used backup accounts. Or are you too scared to actually disclose your regular posting account?
Que several replies about lurking but not posting and I'm new here....... which is utterbullsh1t on both accounts, due to obvious knowledge and the singular topic that prompted the use of backup accounts.
This thread is great, random people creeping out of the woodwork posting with accounts that are either new or 3 years old and been used to post 5 times....... Either way they seem to have enough background and knowledge of the established members who are not scared to post their opinion under their own recognised persona.
I find it amusing that those trying to defend Vermin seem to be doing so in the same manner as the vermin ethos itself, by remaining as unrecognisable as possible. Biggerbird, smudger, J&J etc.... why not try posting under your regular personas rather than hiding behind these newly created or seldom used backup accounts. Or are you too scared to actually disclose your regular posting account?
Que several replies about lurking but not posting and I'm new here....... which is utterbullsh1t on both accounts, due to obvious knowledge and the singular topic that prompted the use of backup accounts.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 11:19:53 GMT 1, What like you ...err ....weaver with a hidden mail address
this forum gets better -
What like you ...err ....weaver with a hidden mail address
this forum gets better -
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by bobbyt23 on Sept 27, 2008 11:21:25 GMT 1, Well said Weaver!
Well said Weaver!
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 11:24:45 GMT 1, Why didn't 'little bird' get a mention Weaver ? Who's that then???
Why didn't 'little bird' get a mention Weaver ? Who's that then???
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 12:04:47 GMT 1, LOTS 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 - DID NOT SELL
Oi Robin and all your "vermin" people - there you go - results never lie and you guys fucked up
You guys shot your bolt, thought you can take on the man - and you lost and you lost miserably!!!
LOSERS
LOTS 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 - DID NOT SELL
Oi Robin and all your "vermin" people - there you go - results never lie and you guys fucked up
You guys shot your bolt, thought you can take on the man - and you lost and you lost miserably!!!
LOSERS
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 12:06:52 GMT 1, great news als
great news als
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 12:09:12 GMT 1, Yep the fell short by a long way from their reserves - most of the prints flopped also
Yep the fell short by a long way from their reserves - most of the prints flopped also
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 12:10:24 GMT 1, where are the results published, cant find them online
where are the results published, cant find them online
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 12:12:44 GMT 1, go to ebay.com, type in Banksy in the search box and see the completed results - make sure its ebay.com
go to ebay.com, type in Banksy in the search box and see the completed results - make sure its ebay.com
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 12:14:15 GMT 1, thanks mate.
thanks mate.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by savilerogue on Sept 27, 2008 12:14:26 GMT 1, LOTS 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 - DID NOT SELL Oi Robin and all your "vermin" people - there you go - results never lie and you guys f**ked up You guys shot your bolt, thought you can take on the man - and you lost and you lost miserably!!! LOSERS
Excellent news. Back to the drawing board eh Robin?
LOTS 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 - DID NOT SELL Oi Robin and all your "vermin" people - there you go - results never lie and you guys f**ked up You guys shot your bolt, thought you can take on the man - and you lost and you lost miserably!!! LOSERS Excellent news. Back to the drawing board eh Robin? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 12:28:19 GMT 1, 
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 12:29:08 GMT 1, Vermin just died today!!!!
Look at the bid histories, 1 bid on most of the pieces
Goes to show their COA' s arent worth wiping your arse with
Vermin just died today!!!!
Look at the bid histories, 1 bid on most of the pieces
Goes to show their COA' s arent worth wiping your arse with
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 12:29:12 GMT 1, LOL
LOL
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