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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 13:50:50 GMT 1, Seems all their propaganda and bad press is getting to the prints too / maybe canvasses. . . soon who will want to buy any Banksy full stop. Oh dear
this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions.
Seems all their propaganda and bad press is getting to the prints too / maybe canvasses. . . soon who will want to buy any Banksy full stop. Oh dear this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 27, 2008 13:51:30 GMT 1, quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that
quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 13:54:18 GMT 1, quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that
Probably not Graeme as its doubtful that the auctioneer would knock it down at that even using auctioneers discretion, you could contact them to say offer it to the highest bidder.
quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that Probably not Graeme as its doubtful that the auctioneer would knock it down at that even using auctioneers discretion, you could contact them to say offer it to the highest bidder. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 13:56:28 GMT 1, quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that
just give them a call, from my understanding of reserves, it means just that.
quick auction question - if the reserve was £3000, and it sold for £2600, did it sell or not, or do i get the option as the owner? because im quite happy to let it go for that just give them a call, from my understanding of reserves, it means just that. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by covertshadowops on Sept 27, 2008 13:58:32 GMT 1, i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that?
just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve.
i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that?
just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:00:48 GMT 1, Seems all their propaganda and bad press is getting to the prints too / maybe canvasses. . . soon who will want to buy any Banksy full stop. Oh dear this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions.
I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started -
Seems all their propaganda and bad press is getting to the prints too / maybe canvasses. . . soon who will want to buy any Banksy full stop. Oh dear this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 27, 2008 14:01:36 GMT 1, yeah ive called them, and neither sold, but i let them know im happy to let them go for what they went for, since it would be more or less enough for the canvas, and will see what happens
yeah ive called them, and neither sold, but i let them know im happy to let them go for what they went for, since it would be more or less enough for the canvas, and will see what happens
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 14:04:52 GMT 1, this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started -
Hello Biggerbird, Is that as a direct result of Pestcontrol? is that what you are saying? no other reason at all?. 
this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - Hello Biggerbird, Is that as a direct result of Pestcontrol? is that what you are saying? no other reason at all?. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Guest on Sept 27, 2008 14:07:25 GMT 1, this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started -
I cant..... No reason why that would be the case
this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - I cant..... No reason why that would be the case |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by weaver on Sept 27, 2008 14:09:18 GMT 1, this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started -
this auction was boycotted by the real buyers of Banksy works, cant see this happening at any respectable auctions. I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - LOL, house prices in my area have also dropped in the last 6 months, maybe thats a direct result of pest control..... FFS there might be a bit more going on economically than just pest control...... incidentally, I've not seen any prints with a POW / PC authentication show a drastic downturn. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 27, 2008 14:10:49 GMT 1, i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that? just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve.
i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me 
i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that? just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve. i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:13:35 GMT 1, i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that? just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve. i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me
Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone
i had the same problem.... my 2 items just missed my reserve. £100 on 1 and £200 on the other out.... where is the discretion on that? just rang the sottish office and they said on their system... no sale. cus didnt meet the reserve. i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:15:52 GMT 1, I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - LOL, house prices in my area have also dropped in the last 6 months, maybe thats a direct result of pest control..... FFS there might be a bit more going on economically than just pest control...... incidentally, I've not seen any prints with a POW / PC authentication show a drastic downturn.
Sorry - pressed the wrong quote button
Maybe that's an argument as to why the sale didn't go to well then - for anyone
I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - LOL, house prices in my area have also dropped in the last 6 months, maybe thats a direct result of pest control..... FFS there might be a bit more going on economically than just pest control...... incidentally, I've not seen any prints with a POW / PC authentication show a drastic downturn. Sorry - pressed the wrong quote button Maybe that's an argument as to why the sale didn't go to well then - for anyone |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 14:17:30 GMT 1, i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone
I think you need to state your point a little clearer Biggerbird?, what is "The argument"? Edit. I see now, sorry i was a little confused there! 
i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone I think you need to state your point a little clearer Biggerbird?, what is "The argument"? Edit. I see now, sorry i was a little confused there! |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 14:20:50 GMT 1, they didnt sell because Pest Control fucked your auction up - no one took it seriously after that - to have 1 bid on streetpieces which you claimed were "real", is embarassing, and it showed that when Banksy speaks, the market listens.
This boycott wasnt just on the streetpieces, but it also impacted your prints - you whack those prints up on Ebay and they would have gone for more money. I mean 2 prints just hit their reserve - now stop trying to making excuses, accept defeat and go and cower back to your little corner
they didnt sell because Pest Control fucked your auction up - no one took it seriously after that - to have 1 bid on streetpieces which you claimed were "real", is embarassing, and it showed that when Banksy speaks, the market listens.
This boycott wasnt just on the streetpieces, but it also impacted your prints - you whack those prints up on Ebay and they would have gone for more money. I mean 2 prints just hit their reserve - now stop trying to making excuses, accept defeat and go and cower back to your little corner
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:25:56 GMT 1, I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - Hello Biggerbird, Is that as a direct result of Pestcontrol? is that what you are saying? no other reason at all?.
hello again....Well....it hasn't helped - bad press for Banksy is bad press for the Banksy brand - which is what he is now.
Would you really want to buy 'anything' having heard what you have lately - would anyone?
The more PC take such a stand - the more the press will turn and destroy the golden goose - I'm not just talking about street art.
I can ....prints have devalued since Pest Control started - Hello Biggerbird, Is that as a direct result of Pestcontrol? is that what you are saying? no other reason at all?. hello again....Well....it hasn't helped - bad press for Banksy is bad press for the Banksy brand - which is what he is now. Would you really want to buy 'anything' having heard what you have lately - would anyone? The more PC take such a stand - the more the press will turn and destroy the golden goose - I'm not just talking about street art. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 27, 2008 14:27:30 GMT 1, dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread
dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by weaver on Sept 27, 2008 14:28:12 GMT 1, LOL, house prices in my area have also dropped in the last 6 months, maybe thats a direct result of pest control..... FFS there might be a bit more going on economically than just pest control...... incidentally, I've not seen any prints with a POW / PC authentication show a drastic downturn. Sorry - pressed the wrong quote button Maybe that's an argument as to why the sale didn't go to well then - for anyone
LOL, house prices in my area have also dropped in the last 6 months, maybe thats a direct result of pest control..... FFS there might be a bit more going on economically than just pest control...... incidentally, I've not seen any prints with a POW / PC authentication show a drastic downturn. Sorry - pressed the wrong quote button Maybe that's an argument as to why the sale didn't go to well then - for anyone Phillips seemed to go fine 3 weeks ago today, and both PC and the credit crunch have both been around alot longer than 2 1/2 weeks. The adverse publicity from both the colony room issue and the vermin issue pretty much ensured the auction under preformed compared to what some people expected. Sadly the tarnished reputation from the bad pieces screwed it up for the good pieces, If I had been selling anything today I'd be furious at L&T and the non challant attitude shown to artists and their representative vs the almighty pound, they picked their stand point and got shot in the ass in a big way for doing it. Feel sorry for those selling decent lots today, might be worth while being a tad more picky with who you sell through the next time. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 14:28:48 GMT 1, graeme i was talking to biggerbored
graeme i was talking to biggerbored
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by graeme501 on Sept 27, 2008 14:30:12 GMT 1, ahh ok, got confused there
ahh ok, got confused there
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:30:29 GMT 1, dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread
I don't think he was talking about you - I think that was aimed at me
But then who knows what or who he's talking about or too - ever!?
dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread I don't think he was talking about you - I think that was aimed at me But then who knows what or who he's talking about or too - ever!? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by biggerbird on Sept 27, 2008 14:31:55 GMT 1, graeme i was talking to biggerbored
Such a witty sense of humour -
graeme i was talking to biggerbored Such a witty sense of humour - |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 14:35:53 GMT 1, Buggerboy - Do you honestly think Banksy or Pest Control really give a s**t about the price of his pieces in the secondary market? I also knew that your auction would flop and that you would in turn get a new arsehole, so not always wrong!!
Weaver I agree with you mate, but the sellers had a chance to withdraw their pieces, the writing was on the wall with regards to this auction, and I would like to think that it doesnt just end here. Some people need to be made accountable for their greed, and no i am not talking about the print sellers.
Buggerboy - Do you honestly think Banksy or Pest Control really give a s**t about the price of his pieces in the secondary market? I also knew that your auction would flop and that you would in turn get a new arsehole, so not always wrong!!
Weaver I agree with you mate, but the sellers had a chance to withdraw their pieces, the writing was on the wall with regards to this auction, and I would like to think that it doesnt just end here. Some people need to be made accountable for their greed, and no i am not talking about the print sellers.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by giiiant on Sept 27, 2008 14:38:39 GMT 1, will be interesting to see if the upcoming October auctions fail as badly as this one did
hint: of course they wont
will be interesting to see if the upcoming October auctions fail as badly as this one did
hint: of course they wont
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Deleted on Sept 27, 2008 14:39:24 GMT 1, So Biggerbird, i would be interested to know your opinion on how an auction house such as Lyon & Turnbull can repair any reputation they had after this sale result?, it may or may not be the fault of Vermin or even through any adverse publicity about the sale but whatever the cause it has tarnished them and people ie. both sellers and buyers in the main do not forget.
So Biggerbird, i would be interested to know your opinion on how an auction house such as Lyon & Turnbull can repair any reputation they had after this sale result?, it may or may not be the fault of Vermin or even through any adverse publicity about the sale but whatever the cause it has tarnished them and people ie. both sellers and buyers in the main do not forget.
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by pfffffffffft on Sept 27, 2008 15:05:59 GMT 1, dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread I don't think he was talking about you - I think that was aimed at me But then who knows what or who he's talking about or too - ever!?
Robin, we all know you are having a very bad day because your work didnt sell. Perhaps instead of taking it out on als you should act out somewhere else? Does someone need a time out?
dont quite understand u, i wasnt making any excuses and have not been cowering anywhere throughout this whole thread I don't think he was talking about you - I think that was aimed at me But then who knows what or who he's talking about or too - ever!? Robin, we all know you are having a very bad day because your work didnt sell. Perhaps instead of taking it out on als you should act out somewhere else? Does someone need a time out? |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by pfffffffffft on Sept 27, 2008 15:15:42 GMT 1, i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone
The sale at Lyon didnt go well because the credibility of the auction house selling at best unauthenticated works and at worst perhaps fakes is now in question. Banksy's work continues to perform well at other houses. Lyon will have have a hard time rebounding from this mistake.
i can see why the banksy didnt go, that was £400 under, but the neate was £50 under which i was a bit confused when they said it didnt sell, but oh well, they all come back to me Well - then maybe thats an argument why the sale didn't go to well - for anyone The sale at Lyon didnt go well because the credibility of the auction house selling at best unauthenticated works and at worst perhaps fakes is now in question. Banksy's work continues to perform well at other houses. Lyon will have have a hard time rebounding from this mistake. |
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by manty on Sept 27, 2008 15:23:50 GMT 1, i'd never heard of them ( lyon) before this sale, they got alot of free publicity out of it
i'd never heard of them ( lyon) before this sale, they got alot of free publicity out of it
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by alsbabar on Sept 27, 2008 15:53:47 GMT 1, and you wont hear of them after this sale
Thanks for the props pffffft, but I am glad biggerbird/robinbarton49/tenminutesfromnow/snausages and what other psuedo names he/vermin hides behind want to say stupid things or take it out of me, its a a small price to pay to see them squirm, get rumbled/busted and to see the unauthenticated streetpieces flop.
I took a stance against them and some people think I am wanker/tosser for being so vocal, but again, it allowed others to see what we have to deal with out there. Of course with the help and persistence of others on this forum, they got caught out and the results of the auction and all the negativity they are spewing out, is a direct consequence of these actions.
So f**k bankrobber, f**k robin barton, f**k jason allen, f**k vermin, f**k punk daisy, f**k lyon and turnbull, f**k ben hanley, f**k them all - you cannot cheat an lie to greed, maybe with your toff clients who dont know what they are buying - they messed with the wrong panel of experts, namely pest control/banksy and this forum!!
and you wont hear of them after this sale
Thanks for the props pffffft, but I am glad biggerbird/robinbarton49/tenminutesfromnow/snausages and what other psuedo names he/vermin hides behind want to say stupid things or take it out of me, its a a small price to pay to see them squirm, get rumbled/busted and to see the unauthenticated streetpieces flop.
I took a stance against them and some people think I am wanker/tosser for being so vocal, but again, it allowed others to see what we have to deal with out there. Of course with the help and persistence of others on this forum, they got caught out and the results of the auction and all the negativity they are spewing out, is a direct consequence of these actions.
So f**k bankrobber, f**k robin barton, f**k jason allen, f**k vermin, f**k punk daisy, f**k lyon and turnbull, f**k ben hanley, f**k them all - you cannot cheat an lie to greed, maybe with your toff clients who dont know what they are buying - they messed with the wrong panel of experts, namely pest control/banksy and this forum!!
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Banksy Statement RE: Lyon & Turnbull, by Heavyconsumer on Sept 27, 2008 16:40:03 GMT 1, Just caught up with this thread and I really can't understand what anyone representing either the auction house or Vermin, can possibly have to say at this stage. The sale failed, Vermin certificates have been ousted as worthless lies printed on paper that would be better used for wrapping chips and the auction house has hopefully learned that the only COA of any value can be arranged through Pest Control. Although maybe they'd be better off leaving this genre to those competitors happy to work within the ambits of the arists' and authenticators' best interests in future, rather than making their own rules just to pirsue a few extra quid. Cheeky beggars.
Just caught up with this thread and I really can't understand what anyone representing either the auction house or Vermin, can possibly have to say at this stage. The sale failed, Vermin certificates have been ousted as worthless lies printed on paper that would be better used for wrapping chips and the auction house has hopefully learned that the only COA of any value can be arranged through Pest Control. Although maybe they'd be better off leaving this genre to those competitors happy to work within the ambits of the arists' and authenticators' best interests in future, rather than making their own rules just to pirsue a few extra quid. Cheeky beggars.
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