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nola fs or swaps!!!, by cashman on Dec 3, 2008 1:53:32 GMT 1, I hope thats not geared towards justifying silky's POW could be flippers theory?! Don't be daft. ;D
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2008 1:53:54 GMT 1, Isn't it Banksy who sets the price? I hope thats not geared towards justifying silky's POW could be flippers theory?!
right, and so is the postman for delivering the print. wtf? i wonder sometimes if he actually believes his own shit
Isn't it Banksy who sets the price? I hope thats not geared towards justifying silky's POW could be flippers theory?! right, and so is the postman for delivering the print. wtf? i wonder sometimes if he actually believes his own shit |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by limitup on Dec 3, 2008 1:59:49 GMT 1, Silk...
I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum.
Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world.
And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.'
Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it!
Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL...
'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man....
Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man...
If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass!
All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t...
THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE!
Keep up the good work, Silky!
And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule.
Silk...
I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum.
Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world.
And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.'
Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it!
Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL...
'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man....
Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man...
If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass!
All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t...
THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE!
Keep up the good work, Silky!
And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule.
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2008 2:00:02 GMT 1, A site can make money in several ways, eBay used to be one of my clients so I am pretty familiar with their advertising programmes, they are:
Pay/Cost Per Click - traffic generation which for this site, would be consider quite low - so probably not earning much money via this method, its a high risk strategy, which eBay takes into consideration, unless the conversion to sale ratio's are high, the chances are the earnings per click would be pretty low.
Pay Per Lead - someone clicks on the eBay link and opens an account - this is the one of the highest earning formats, low risk, sometimes each registration would earn the site around ยฃ30
Cost Per Milli (thousand) - more to do with display advertising, such as banners, buttons, text - so for every thousand page impressions/views, the site gets paid - sites like these tend to join the eBay network - so the earnings are around 50p for every 1000 page views. Using as Amin stated, if this site had Adsense or another Display Advertising solution, they would earn money on banner, like the one at the top of the page.
eBay Affiliate Programme - commission paid on completed sales, where the lead come from this forum/site - usually a cookie is applied for a period of 30 days, so if the person buys another item off ebay within 30 days of the original cookie, then the site/forum receives commission again - more information here www.ebaypartnernetwork.com/files/hub/en-US/index.html
There are other ways to monetise a site, but the above are the main money generation programmes
A site can make money in several ways, eBay used to be one of my clients so I am pretty familiar with their advertising programmes, they are: Pay/Cost Per Click - traffic generation which for this site, would be consider quite low - so probably not earning much money via this method, its a high risk strategy, which eBay takes into consideration, unless the conversion to sale ratio's are high, the chances are the earnings per click would be pretty low. Pay Per Lead - someone clicks on the eBay link and opens an account - this is the one of the highest earning formats, low risk, sometimes each registration would earn the site around ยฃ30 Cost Per Milli (thousand) - more to do with display advertising, such as banners, buttons, text - so for every thousand page impressions/views, the site gets paid - sites like these tend to join the eBay network - so the earnings are around 50p for every 1000 page views. Using as Amin stated, if this site had Adsense or another Display Advertising solution, they would earn money on banner, like the one at the top of the page. eBay Affiliate Programme - commission paid on completed sales, where the lead come from this forum/site - usually a cookie is applied for a period of 30 days, so if the person buys another item off ebay within 30 days of the original cookie, then the site/forum receives commission again - more information here www.ebaypartnernetwork.com/files/hub/en-US/index.htmlThere are other ways to monetise a site, but the above are the main money generation programmes |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by master on Dec 3, 2008 2:02:02 GMT 1, Isn't it Banksy who sets the price? I hope thats not geared towards justifying silky's POW could be flippers theory?!
"He's got contact with Banksy's people" so he "must" know something we don't?! 
Isn't it Banksy who sets the price? I hope thats not geared towards justifying silky's POW could be flippers theory?! "He's got contact with Banksy's people" so he "must" know something we don't?! |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by holden on Dec 3, 2008 2:02:07 GMT 1, I dont like it here anymore, its just not nice
I dont like it here anymore, its just not nice
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2008 2:05:16 GMT 1, I dont like it here anymore, its just not nice
it just hit you?
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 2:05:43 GMT 1, stuey, out of interest, how old are you? i cope with your drivel because i've convinced myself you're under 16 but if you're older, you need to read through your recent posts ---> banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile and have a quiet word with yourself it's highly embarrassing Nail, head, wallop!!! ;D And pretty much what my 6 paragraphs said too! I may offer you a job as a paraphraser Ross. (for all who can't be arsed I apologise, please scroll on down and ignore the below PM (I had wanted to keep this ill feeling off the board)... "Stuey, It's not up to you, I or anyone else to decide what is "bad" and what is "good" for everyone! If you want to dictate that, I suggest you start a suitable forum called Stuey's views on art, where only my opinion is valid" to do so, or find a country where you can overthrow the regime and be the dictator. You decide for yourself what your reaction is, but don't tell me what is "bad" and what is "good," especially if that advice comes with no form of stated authority (feel free to disclose and prove any such authority and of course, I'll retract my comment). You're free to say whatever it is you want to say, but do not tell others what we should or shouldn't like please. Thanks. I would have thought that anyone who's spent a few months or more reading these boards, let alone contributing, would have come across a Morons print or have read up on Adam Neate's philosophy over the past 10 years (not just the past 2 months!) or at least have some semblance support for the concept of free art and/or the idea of questioning what art is and where it's true value lies. If not, keep your head up your arse and keep refering to graffiti as "squiggly lines" in threads full of excuisite imagery, it's fine by me, but please don't attempt to influence any free-thinking artists and where they post their work (for sale or otherwise). It is the ยฃ50 thread! If it's under ยฃ50, that is one of the places the forum administrators have made available to post it. If you take issue with that, please stop posting so and talk to admin to find out whether you're complaint of forum usage is valid, or make a suggestion. If you don't want to look at art you don't like, why log into a forum made up of other peoples' opinions, recommendations, likes and dislikes?  That's what a forum is. Before you try throwing it back at me as you have previously, be prepared to back up what you type for once, rather than being too lazy and throwing empty accusations, as this is partly what caused my great contempt for you in the first place. You made statements about me and my posts, without being able to back them up, because your statements were untrue and unfounded in fact. I'm not a bully Stuey and have never had issues interacting with other members here properly before your good self, I challenge you to prove otherwise (the only reason I still have these poxy starts is because I feel that deleting my post history would appear as if I'm hiding something). I simply dislike most of what you have to say, not necessarily because I disagree, but the way you present your views just annoys me and your views themselves more often than not seem insincere and undermined by your other posts. I stand by my statement that you offer NOTHING positive to this place and that your attitude stinks. I have never found any member whose posts as inane and wasteful as I find yours. I have received numerous PMs from people I've never interacted with previously, who feel similarly towards you, purely because I've spoken my mind to you in threads and they congratulated me and wanted to agree without further inflaming things. You are clearly disliked en mass bigtime and that is not because you're not part of some silly inner sanctum (which I'm not aware of myself either by the way), but because you show yourself up with almost every post! My sincere advice is that you think about the validity of what you type in here, as it becomes public record, so when you later contradict it, you should expect others to take note, whether they comment/react or not. You're clearly a bit of a smartypants (you have at least half a brain, that much is clear), so I urge you to please question yourself as much as you do those who challenge you and I PROMISE you that to my knowledge there is no "gang" of "bullies" here looking out for you, except that which your own actions may have created. Refering to an artist as "being s**t" and then commenting on his work "at its' best" makes you look a little odd or foolish to say the least, in a similar way to how you chose to disrespect graffiti by refering to non-stencil forms of it as "squiggly lines," in a thread where Remi Rough and Replete were posting some classic f**king street art and also, when you asked "is it just me that thinks she's overrated" (or something very very similar in wording) of Lucy McLauchlan and a few days later post a somewhat strange comment about her AP of THE VERY SAME IMAGE AS THE OTHER THREAD HAD BEEN BASED ON. Stuey, get a grip! These are onlya few points based on what I remember of the past couple of weeks and I've had you on ignore for the majority of that time! You're an absolute nitwit. I checked your profile and could not believe you are 28 (presuming that's based on fact). Have a nice life, I enjoyed this place a lot more with you on ignore and I regret allowing my curiosity to get the better of me now. I shall leave you in peace to totally ignore everything I've just typed, but I feel better for letting go of the bad energy I get from reading your posts. Peace and may the festive season bring cheer to you and your family. Wayne"
Great read Wayne
stuey, out of interest, how old are you? i cope with your drivel because i've convinced myself you're under 16 but if you're older, you need to read through your recent posts ---> banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile and have a quiet word with yourself it's highly embarrassing Nail, head, wallop!!! ;D And pretty much what my 6 paragraphs said too! I may offer you a job as a paraphraser Ross. (for all who can't be arsed I apologise, please scroll on down and ignore the below PM (I had wanted to keep this ill feeling off the board)... "Stuey, It's not up to you, I or anyone else to decide what is "bad" and what is "good" for everyone! If you want to dictate that, I suggest you start a suitable forum called Stuey's views on art, where only my opinion is valid" to do so, or find a country where you can overthrow the regime and be the dictator. You decide for yourself what your reaction is, but don't tell me what is "bad" and what is "good," especially if that advice comes with no form of stated authority (feel free to disclose and prove any such authority and of course, I'll retract my comment). You're free to say whatever it is you want to say, but do not tell others what we should or shouldn't like please. Thanks. I would have thought that anyone who's spent a few months or more reading these boards, let alone contributing, would have come across a Morons print or have read up on Adam Neate's philosophy over the past 10 years (not just the past 2 months!) or at least have some semblance support for the concept of free art and/or the idea of questioning what art is and where it's true value lies. If not, keep your head up your arse and keep refering to graffiti as "squiggly lines" in threads full of excuisite imagery, it's fine by me, but please don't attempt to influence any free-thinking artists and where they post their work (for sale or otherwise). It is the ยฃ50 thread! If it's under ยฃ50, that is one of the places the forum administrators have made available to post it. If you take issue with that, please stop posting so and talk to admin to find out whether you're complaint of forum usage is valid, or make a suggestion. If you don't want to look at art you don't like, why log into a forum made up of other peoples' opinions, recommendations, likes and dislikes? That's what a forum is. Before you try throwing it back at me as you have previously, be prepared to back up what you type for once, rather than being too lazy and throwing empty accusations, as this is partly what caused my great contempt for you in the first place. You made statements about me and my posts, without being able to back them up, because your statements were untrue and unfounded in fact. I'm not a bully Stuey and have never had issues interacting with other members here properly before your good self, I challenge you to prove otherwise (the only reason I still have these poxy starts is because I feel that deleting my post history would appear as if I'm hiding something). I simply dislike most of what you have to say, not necessarily because I disagree, but the way you present your views just annoys me and your views themselves more often than not seem insincere and undermined by your other posts. I stand by my statement that you offer NOTHING positive to this place and that your attitude stinks. I have never found any member whose posts as inane and wasteful as I find yours. I have received numerous PMs from people I've never interacted with previously, who feel similarly towards you, purely because I've spoken my mind to you in threads and they congratulated me and wanted to agree without further inflaming things. You are clearly disliked en mass bigtime and that is not because you're not part of some silly inner sanctum (which I'm not aware of myself either by the way), but because you show yourself up with almost every post! My sincere advice is that you think about the validity of what you type in here, as it becomes public record, so when you later contradict it, you should expect others to take note, whether they comment/react or not. You're clearly a bit of a smartypants (you have at least half a brain, that much is clear), so I urge you to please question yourself as much as you do those who challenge you and I PROMISE you that to my knowledge there is no "gang" of "bullies" here looking out for you, except that which your own actions may have created. Refering to an artist as "being s**t" and then commenting on his work "at its' best" makes you look a little odd or foolish to say the least, in a similar way to how you chose to disrespect graffiti by refering to non-stencil forms of it as "squiggly lines," in a thread where Remi Rough and Replete were posting some classic f**king street art and also, when you asked "is it just me that thinks she's overrated" (or something very very similar in wording) of Lucy McLauchlan and a few days later post a somewhat strange comment about her AP of THE VERY SAME IMAGE AS THE OTHER THREAD HAD BEEN BASED ON. Stuey, get a grip! These are onlya few points based on what I remember of the past couple of weeks and I've had you on ignore for the majority of that time! You're an absolute nitwit. I checked your profile and could not believe you are 28 (presuming that's based on fact). Have a nice life, I enjoyed this place a lot more with you on ignore and I regret allowing my curiosity to get the better of me now. I shall leave you in peace to totally ignore everything I've just typed, but I feel better for letting go of the bad energy I get from reading your posts. Peace and may the festive season bring cheer to you and your family. Wayne" Great read Wayne |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by cashman on Dec 3, 2008 2:07:26 GMT 1, Silk... I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum. Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world. And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.' Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it! Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL... 'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man.... Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man... If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass! All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t... THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE! Keep up the good work, Silky! And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule.
U found the G spot yet ?
Silk... I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum. Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world. And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.' Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it! Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL... 'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man.... Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man... If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass! All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t... THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE! Keep up the good work, Silky! And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule. U found the G spot yet ? |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by arcam on Dec 3, 2008 2:24:23 GMT 1,
No wonder there's a site for every artist under the sun. It all adds up.
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2008 2:28:57 GMT 1, Silk... I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum. Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world. And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.' Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it! Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL... 'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man.... Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man... If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass! All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t... THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE! Keep up the good work, Silky! And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule. U found the G spot yet ?
seriously. tool lyrics? what a joke
Silk... I think you've done a stand-up job with the forum. Do keep in mind, folks... Silk is 1 guy, tryin' to provide a forum for thousands of fans of the art world. And for the most part, a majority of the members are appreciative of this. Yet, you still get your over-zealous blow-hards that think they're entitled to preferential treatment, or that their voice should be heard 1st. And, treated like VIP's because of their devotion - as if printing ink coursed through their veins. They think this because 'they've been a die-hard fan since this genre was underground, and not commercialized.' Listen, as much as all of you want to believe otherwise... art isn't just a hobby, it's a career. And, people looking to make coin off it comes with the territory. It's a capitalist world out there, people - accept it! Reading all this cry-baby BS makes me think of the lyrics to the song 'Hooker with a p***s' by TOOL... 'in between, sips of coke, he told me that he thought we were selling out...Laying down, sucking up, to the man.... Well now, I've got some advice for you, little buddy... before you point your finger, you should know that i'm the man... If i'm the man, then your the man, and he's the man as well.... so you can point that phucking finger up your ass! All you know about me, is what I sold you... dumb-phuck, I sold-out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make this record... dipsh!t... THEN... YOU... BOUGHT...ONE! Keep up the good work, Silky! And the rest of you crybabies... go grab a kleenex. ----And just know, that we need the secondary market. I can't remember the last time a gallery consulted its clients/collectors, prior to releasing a new print, to ensure it would favorably conform to everyone's schedule. U found the G spot yet ? seriously. tool lyrics? what a joke
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by limitup on Dec 3, 2008 2:53:25 GMT 1, You've got to pick and choose your battles carefully. In this case, I believe the detractors have chosen poorly.
And, they're focusing their attacks on the wrong guy. If you've got a problem with the composer of the thread, hash it out with him. But don't attack the forum provider - publicly. That's not going to win you any fans or followers, in the back office at .info.
There's a cornucopia of proverbs that come to mind here... But 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' seems to be most appropriate.
You've got to pick and choose your battles carefully. In this case, I believe the detractors have chosen poorly.
And, they're focusing their attacks on the wrong guy. If you've got a problem with the composer of the thread, hash it out with him. But don't attack the forum provider - publicly. That's not going to win you any fans or followers, in the back office at .info.
There's a cornucopia of proverbs that come to mind here... But 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' seems to be most appropriate.
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2008 3:21:42 GMT 1, who/what do you think the back office of .info is and why do you assume anyone is concerned with winning any fans from that magical place?
i think silky is an allright guy, truly, it just seems like he has lost sight of the big picture as of late and at times can be hypocritical and a bit high on his horse. i also dont like that i am not allowed to ignore him
who/what do you think the back office of .info is and why do you assume anyone is concerned with winning any fans from that magical place? i think silky is an allright guy, truly, it just seems like he has lost sight of the big picture as of late and at times can be hypocritical and a bit high on his horse. i also dont like that i am not allowed to ignore him |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by andyctree on Dec 3, 2008 3:38:46 GMT 1, great read. thanks for all of the different arguements in one thread. that is classic
great read. thanks for all of the different arguements in one thread. that is classic
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by limitup on Dec 3, 2008 3:39:03 GMT 1, I didn't assume anyone was concerned with trying to win fans over. It was obvious that wasn't a concern, at all.
Which is exactly my point. How much progress do you think you're going to make, defaming the character of the very person you're looking to get results from?
Use your head. Think.
I didn't assume anyone was concerned with trying to win fans over. It was obvious that wasn't a concern, at all.
Which is exactly my point. How much progress do you think you're going to make, defaming the character of the very person you're looking to get results from?
Use your head. Think.
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by pagerage on Dec 3, 2008 3:54:48 GMT 1, bro, i have thought and here is my conclusions: message board, not too big a concern to me, nor is hurting anybodies feelings with truth or kissing ass. we dont like flippers here. we never have. not only is silky letting the flippers advertise here, but he is also making money off it. it is lame and most people dont like it.
its not how it used to be. a lot of people that have joined in the past six months dont mind/notice it, but to others it has been an unwelcomed change.
ths main point is that people are missing the big picture and what this whole place was for, before everyone and their mother owned an online gallery or found they can get rich off the back of others. art. banksy
i hardly visit anymore cause reading through all the shit here is painful. far from fun and informative like i remember it
bro, i have thought and here is my conclusions: message board, not too big a concern to me, nor is hurting anybodies feelings with truth or kissing ass. we dont like flippers here. we never have. not only is silky letting the flippers advertise here, but he is also making money off it. it is lame and most people dont like it.
its not how it used to be. a lot of people that have joined in the past six months dont mind/notice it, but to others it has been an unwelcomed change.
ths main point is that people are missing the big picture and what this whole place was for, before everyone and their mother owned an online gallery or found they can get rich off the back of others. art. banksy
i hardly visit anymore cause reading through all the shit here is painful. far from fun and informative like i remember it
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Deleted on Dec 3, 2008 7:42:37 GMT 1, A site can make money in several ways, eBay used to be one of my clients so I am pretty familiar with their advertising programmes, they are: Pay/Cost Per Click - traffic generation which for this site, would be consider quite low - so probably not earning much money via this method, its a high risk strategy, which eBay takes into consideration, unless the conversion to sale ratio's are high, the chances are the earnings per click would be pretty low. Pay Per Lead - someone clicks on the eBay link and opens an account - this is the one of the highest earning formats, low risk, sometimes each registration would earn the site around ยฃ30 Cost Per Milli (thousand) - more to do with display advertising, such as banners, buttons, text - so for every thousand page impressions/views, the site gets paid - sites like these tend to join the eBay network - so the earnings are around 50p for every 1000 page views. Using as Amin stated, if this site had Adsense or another Display Advertising solution, they would earn money on banner, like the one at the top of the page. eBay Affiliate Programme - commission paid on completed sales, where the lead come from this forum/site - usually a cookie is applied for a period of 30 days, so if the person buys another item off ebay within 30 days of the original cookie, then the site/forum receives commission again - more information here www.ebaypartnernetwork.com/files/hub/en-US/index.htmlThere are other ways to monetise a site, but the above are the main money generation programmes
Alsbabar, I was talking about the Google ads, but yes you are correct re: the eBay options. Where did you work with eBay? I worked in the Richmond office for a few months.
A site can make money in several ways, eBay used to be one of my clients so I am pretty familiar with their advertising programmes, they are: Pay/Cost Per Click - traffic generation which for this site, would be consider quite low - so probably not earning much money via this method, its a high risk strategy, which eBay takes into consideration, unless the conversion to sale ratio's are high, the chances are the earnings per click would be pretty low. Pay Per Lead - someone clicks on the eBay link and opens an account - this is the one of the highest earning formats, low risk, sometimes each registration would earn the site around ยฃ30 Cost Per Milli (thousand) - more to do with display advertising, such as banners, buttons, text - so for every thousand page impressions/views, the site gets paid - sites like these tend to join the eBay network - so the earnings are around 50p for every 1000 page views. Using as Amin stated, if this site had Adsense or another Display Advertising solution, they would earn money on banner, like the one at the top of the page. eBay Affiliate Programme - commission paid on completed sales, where the lead come from this forum/site - usually a cookie is applied for a period of 30 days, so if the person buys another item off ebay within 30 days of the original cookie, then the site/forum receives commission again - more information here www.ebaypartnernetwork.com/files/hub/en-US/index.htmlThere are other ways to monetise a site, but the above are the main money generation programmes Alsbabar, I was talking about the Google ads, but yes you are correct re: the eBay options. Where did you work with eBay? I worked in the Richmond office for a few months. |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2008 10:21:25 GMT 1, poor you amin, kidding richmond is/was a nice place to work - they were clients, so I worked with them rather than for them 
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by afroken on Dec 3, 2008 10:26:04 GMT 1, was
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2008 10:27:27 GMT 1, till ebay ebay came along
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by They call me Stephen on Dec 3, 2008 10:43:22 GMT 1, Just read through this...some very interesting points raised and ones I unfortunately agree with. something does need to be done to stop people flipping prints just bought from pow on here, it was inevitable that a whole host of new threads from new members would pop up once their banksys were 'in hand'. This place is turning into a marketplace rather than a place where art is discussed and it does take the piss out of the forum and it's integrity as ross said. The fact that approximately half of the page I can currently see is ebay adverts suggests exactly where this scene is at present
This can be a great forum at times but currently it's reaching new lows, certain members who have relatively high post counts yet have been proven to flip and as a result are banned from laz/pow events have contributed nothing here except for absolute trash, I don't think they have ever had a single useful/informative post yet continue to spout drivel in order to get more stars and โrespectโ from newer members. Tragic.
Just read through this...some very interesting points raised and ones I unfortunately agree with. something does need to be done to stop people flipping prints just bought from pow on here, it was inevitable that a whole host of new threads from new members would pop up once their banksys were 'in hand'. This place is turning into a marketplace rather than a place where art is discussed and it does take the piss out of the forum and it's integrity as ross said. The fact that approximately half of the page I can currently see is ebay adverts suggests exactly where this scene is at present This can be a great forum at times but currently it's reaching new lows, certain members who have relatively high post counts yet have been proven to flip and as a result are banned from laz/pow events have contributed nothing here except for absolute trash, I don't think they have ever had a single useful/informative post yet continue to spout drivel in order to get more stars and โrespectโ from newer members. Tragic. |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Sundowner on Dec 3, 2008 11:17:51 GMT 1, Wonder who that could be??
Wonder who that could be??
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Daniel Silk on Dec 3, 2008 11:36:03 GMT 1, alittlebird, I really think you do Banksy and POW a disservice If Banksy was surrounded by just people like yourself I fear he would be in all sorts of problems. I don't think I have ever seen you do anything here constructive or positive, in helping the scene or Banksy.
Its easy to sit or ya arse to bitch and moan about other people, so for once actually try to do something constructive and helpful  For Banksy's sake!
alittlebird, I really think you do Banksy and POW a disservice If Banksy was surrounded by just people like yourself I fear he would be in all sorts of problems. I don't think I have ever seen you do anything here constructive or positive, in helping the scene or Banksy. Its easy to sit or ya arse to bitch and moan about other people, so for once actually try to do something constructive and helpful For Banksy's sake! |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by jonpud on Dec 3, 2008 11:39:57 GMT 1, Wow, think I started something here that I didn't really mean to, think I need to justify my comments!
I did consider starting a new thread to explain my comments/feelings but decided that was probably a bad idea.
First and foremost I would like to say that I love being a member of this forum, it is, on the whole, a community of like minded people with a common interest. It does however have it's down side in that it offers information and inside knowledge to an undesireable, outside, lurking, 'in it for profit only' element, something that we sadly have to accept in this society.
It is extremely rare that I vent my frustrations on here but sadly this and another thread were my achilles heel. I hate blatent flipping, and it is just made worse when it comes from 'members' who have gained their info from the forum to enable them to purchase the print in the first place and then to watch them 'sign up' and try and sell their print at a profit to the very people who helped them to buy it in the first place just puts the icing on the cake for me. I feel that they are taking the piss out of me and our community, and I am frustrated that people welcome these members with open arms, offering swaps and cash as a reward for their blatent greed! The minute they have sold their print and made their profit they are off to lurk again, offering NOTHING constructive to this community. I also hate the likes of FMA who exploit people to stand in a queue all night to obtain 6(or more) limited edition prints purely for profit, and then manage to push their way to the front of the queue after spending the night in a warm bed to pay for the originals secured by those he has exploited, and in doing so depriving those who have patiently waited of their chance to buy from source!
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with this place acting as a trading station and a place to buy and sell. As a collector I can understand how taste can change, how a new look to your wall is called for every now and again. I realize that for many of us the money required nowadays to be able to go out and buy that original by Adam Neate or Eelus etc isn't easy to come by and so we have to sell to improve. On the whole however we are selling after enjoying owming the said piece of art for a reasonable period of time. I also realize that taste changes, what you thought to be a great piece of art for a couple of years can become stale after a while. And I also realize that without individuals taste changing, or their need for money to buy something more expensive then I for one would not have had the opportunity to buy some of the art I now enjoy looking at every day. But all of that IMO is not flipping, it is simply moving forward or developing your collection.
The flipper reminds me of a similar circumstance last xmas, my son wanted a Wii, I couldn't get one anywhere, reluctantly I went to Ebay, contacted a seller locally and agreed to travel, pay cash that night. On arrival she invited me in, took me into the living room and sold me the consol at twice the RRP. She stated that she couldn't beleive how many people had bought from her and had travelled from Peterborough, she also said I guess all the shops have sold out. In the corner of her room were approx 20+ consols, bought from woolworths. I threw the cash at her and had a rant! Basically I was lucky as I had a few quid and could pay over the odds, the thought of the families held to emotional blackmail by people like this made my blood boil, families who simply didn't have access to the money as I did!
Many members on here can't afford the flipped price of prints, Banksy keeps the price low to enable the typical street artist to own a piece of his work, I can guarentee that he doesn't do it to line the pockets of greedy opportunists, and that feeling is echoed by POW who obviously do the best they can to ensure it doesn't happen either. Obviously a few will always slip through.
I have no axe to grind with any 'genuine' member of this forum, I beleive in free speech and an un-censored approach to the forum. I beleive that every person on here has a right to express an opinion that he/she beleives in, I also beleive that I have a right to agree or disagree with that opinion as I see fit.
I beleive that Silky does a pretty good job controlling a forum of very passionate members and I understand that regardless of who runs this forum it would be a thankless task trying to mediate and justify his actions. Without Silky we wouldn't have access to the forum fullstop.
I also realize that text can be misinterpreted, true feelings can be lost by lack of emotion in type, sometimes we aren't being as harsh as people think.
Finally I would like to comment on Stuey's post, I did not and have never threatened anyone on here, I refer to my last paragraph for explaining my comment. I hate the ability of some to hide behind the keyboard and throw comments around, I was simply trying to say that I was not hiding behind my keyboard. If the member wanted to discuss my comments in person then he was quite welcome to do so, I gave a time and a place where I would be should he wish to take me up on my offer!!
Think I have said enough, I apologize to anyone I might have offended, those who have met me or had dealings with me would no doubt be able to offer their opinion of my character!
Cheers PUD
Wow, think I started something here that I didn't really mean to, think I need to justify my comments!
I did consider starting a new thread to explain my comments/feelings but decided that was probably a bad idea.
First and foremost I would like to say that I love being a member of this forum, it is, on the whole, a community of like minded people with a common interest. It does however have it's down side in that it offers information and inside knowledge to an undesireable, outside, lurking, 'in it for profit only' element, something that we sadly have to accept in this society.
It is extremely rare that I vent my frustrations on here but sadly this and another thread were my achilles heel. I hate blatent flipping, and it is just made worse when it comes from 'members' who have gained their info from the forum to enable them to purchase the print in the first place and then to watch them 'sign up' and try and sell their print at a profit to the very people who helped them to buy it in the first place just puts the icing on the cake for me. I feel that they are taking the piss out of me and our community, and I am frustrated that people welcome these members with open arms, offering swaps and cash as a reward for their blatent greed! The minute they have sold their print and made their profit they are off to lurk again, offering NOTHING constructive to this community. I also hate the likes of FMA who exploit people to stand in a queue all night to obtain 6(or more) limited edition prints purely for profit, and then manage to push their way to the front of the queue after spending the night in a warm bed to pay for the originals secured by those he has exploited, and in doing so depriving those who have patiently waited of their chance to buy from source!
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with this place acting as a trading station and a place to buy and sell. As a collector I can understand how taste can change, how a new look to your wall is called for every now and again. I realize that for many of us the money required nowadays to be able to go out and buy that original by Adam Neate or Eelus etc isn't easy to come by and so we have to sell to improve. On the whole however we are selling after enjoying owming the said piece of art for a reasonable period of time. I also realize that taste changes, what you thought to be a great piece of art for a couple of years can become stale after a while. And I also realize that without individuals taste changing, or their need for money to buy something more expensive then I for one would not have had the opportunity to buy some of the art I now enjoy looking at every day. But all of that IMO is not flipping, it is simply moving forward or developing your collection.
The flipper reminds me of a similar circumstance last xmas, my son wanted a Wii, I couldn't get one anywhere, reluctantly I went to Ebay, contacted a seller locally and agreed to travel, pay cash that night. On arrival she invited me in, took me into the living room and sold me the consol at twice the RRP. She stated that she couldn't beleive how many people had bought from her and had travelled from Peterborough, she also said I guess all the shops have sold out. In the corner of her room were approx 20+ consols, bought from woolworths. I threw the cash at her and had a rant! Basically I was lucky as I had a few quid and could pay over the odds, the thought of the families held to emotional blackmail by people like this made my blood boil, families who simply didn't have access to the money as I did!
Many members on here can't afford the flipped price of prints, Banksy keeps the price low to enable the typical street artist to own a piece of his work, I can guarentee that he doesn't do it to line the pockets of greedy opportunists, and that feeling is echoed by POW who obviously do the best they can to ensure it doesn't happen either. Obviously a few will always slip through.
I have no axe to grind with any 'genuine' member of this forum, I beleive in free speech and an un-censored approach to the forum. I beleive that every person on here has a right to express an opinion that he/she beleives in, I also beleive that I have a right to agree or disagree with that opinion as I see fit.
I beleive that Silky does a pretty good job controlling a forum of very passionate members and I understand that regardless of who runs this forum it would be a thankless task trying to mediate and justify his actions. Without Silky we wouldn't have access to the forum fullstop.
I also realize that text can be misinterpreted, true feelings can be lost by lack of emotion in type, sometimes we aren't being as harsh as people think.
Finally I would like to comment on Stuey's post, I did not and have never threatened anyone on here, I refer to my last paragraph for explaining my comment. I hate the ability of some to hide behind the keyboard and throw comments around, I was simply trying to say that I was not hiding behind my keyboard. If the member wanted to discuss my comments in person then he was quite welcome to do so, I gave a time and a place where I would be should he wish to take me up on my offer!!
Think I have said enough, I apologize to anyone I might have offended, those who have met me or had dealings with me would no doubt be able to offer their opinion of my character!
Cheers PUD
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by alsbabar on Dec 3, 2008 11:44:33 GMT 1, i think POW and Banksy can look after themselves - however, I think given the recent issues with the Nola refunds, and all the hassle and unnecessary comments on here and probably by email to POW - to allow/encourage someone who only JUST received their Nola print, to sell/swap/burn or do whatever they like with it, is more of a disservice in my opinion. It flares up trouble on this forum and it also flares up potential trouble for POW/Banksy, because it dilutes the fabulous gesture they put out to people the other day.
This is just my take on this issue and well said PUD
i think POW and Banksy can look after themselves - however, I think given the recent issues with the Nola refunds, and all the hassle and unnecessary comments on here and probably by email to POW - to allow/encourage someone who only JUST received their Nola print, to sell/swap/burn or do whatever they like with it, is more of a disservice in my opinion. It flares up trouble on this forum and it also flares up potential trouble for POW/Banksy, because it dilutes the fabulous gesture they put out to people the other day.
This is just my take on this issue and well said PUD
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by funster on Dec 3, 2008 11:46:55 GMT 1, Top post PUD, just remembering why I'm here myself now!
Top post PUD, just remembering why I'm here myself now!
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Daniel Silk on Dec 3, 2008 11:49:47 GMT 1, On another point raised in this thread -
When what some people would call respected members of the forum who appear to you as people against flippers delete their accounts or are removed from the forum, you would be amazed at the emails I then get from them wanting to get to their PM accounts so they can complete sales of pictures. You seem to find the people that are so dead against flippers are actually the ones flipping stuff themselves Trying to stamp out competition maybe? who knows
On another point raised in this thread - When what some people would call respected members of the forum who appear to you as people against flippers delete their accounts or are removed from the forum, you would be amazed at the emails I then get from them wanting to get to their PM accounts so they can complete sales of pictures. You seem to find the people that are so dead against flippers are actually the ones flipping stuff themselves Trying to stamp out competition maybe? who knows |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by funster on Dec 3, 2008 11:50:51 GMT 1, you lot crack me up all this b**ching and whining, this is the entire reason 'the scene ' (stupid word !! means nothing) will never progress past forums like this . If you all are really pissed off about not getting the image make your own. f**k me it is an average piece of art by someone that has done a lot better. andyctree you said it was great to see all these arguments in one thread i think it is actually kinda sickening, i have never been involved with something that turns people into greedy lunatics on witch hunts it is bizarre. there is no 'scene' you are like 12 year olds in the playground. your fabled banksy must f**king weep at what he created.
Your post is like a discussion I had with my wife last night. When I was first interested in Banksy it with the anti capitalism, anti money, anti police stance I liked the most - the art was a by product of this used to express his feelings (imo). Now 3 years later originals are in the arms of the bankers and 'A' listers, and the prints and being bought just to sell straight on at huge profits. Just like you say, what must Mr B think?
you lot crack me up all this b**ching and whining, this is the entire reason 'the scene ' (stupid word !! means nothing) will never progress past forums like this . If you all are really pissed off about not getting the image make your own. f**k me it is an average piece of art by someone that has done a lot better. andyctree you said it was great to see all these arguments in one thread i think it is actually kinda sickening, i have never been involved with something that turns people into greedy lunatics on witch hunts it is bizarre. there is no 'scene' you are like 12 year olds in the playground. your fabled banksy must f**king weep at what he created. Your post is like a discussion I had with my wife last night. When I was first interested in Banksy it with the anti capitalism, anti money, anti police stance I liked the most - the art was a by product of this used to express his feelings (imo). Now 3 years later originals are in the arms of the bankers and 'A' listers, and the prints and being bought just to sell straight on at huge profits. Just like you say, what must Mr B think? |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by funster on Dec 3, 2008 11:52:26 GMT 1, On another point raised in this thread - When what some people would call respected members of the forum who appear to you as people against flippers delete their accounts or are removed from the forum, you would be amazed at the emails I then get from them wanting to get to their PM accounts so they can complete sales of pictures. You seem to find the people that are so dead against flippers are actually the ones flipping stuff themselves Trying to stamp out competition maybe? who knows
Morning Silky  Any news on the pm's not opening? I've got 5 Nola's with sales pending and I can't get people's contact details 
On another point raised in this thread - When what some people would call respected members of the forum who appear to you as people against flippers delete their accounts or are removed from the forum, you would be amazed at the emails I then get from them wanting to get to their PM accounts so they can complete sales of pictures. You seem to find the people that are so dead against flippers are actually the ones flipping stuff themselves Trying to stamp out competition maybe? who knows Morning Silky Any news on the pm's not opening? I've got 5 Nola's with sales pending and I can't get people's contact details |
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nola fs or swaps!!!, by Daniel Silk on Dec 3, 2008 11:55:13 GMT 1, i think POW and Banksy can look after themselves - however, I think given the recent issues with the Nola refunds, and all the hassle and unnecessary comments on here and probably by email to POW - to allow/encourage someone who only JUST received their Nola print, to sell/swap/burn or do whatever they like with it, is more of a disservice in my opinion. It flares up trouble on this forum and it also flares up potential trouble for POW/Banksy, because it dilutes the fabulous gesture they put out to people the other day. This is just my take on this issue and well said PUD
I in no way want to encourage people to sell pieces on that are as new as the Nola print, but its also not my job to police it. If POW contacted me asking for info on people trying to sell Nolas on here so soon on, I would do all I could to help them.
Im here to help Banksy, POW, and anyone else! but im not here to do their jobs for them
i think POW and Banksy can look after themselves - however, I think given the recent issues with the Nola refunds, and all the hassle and unnecessary comments on here and probably by email to POW - to allow/encourage someone who only JUST received their Nola print, to sell/swap/burn or do whatever they like with it, is more of a disservice in my opinion. It flares up trouble on this forum and it also flares up potential trouble for POW/Banksy, because it dilutes the fabulous gesture they put out to people the other day. This is just my take on this issue and well said PUD I in no way want to encourage people to sell pieces on that are as new as the Nola print, but its also not my job to police it. If POW contacted me asking for info on people trying to sell Nolas on here so soon on, I would do all I could to help them. Im here to help Banksy, POW, and anyone else! but im not here to do their jobs for them |
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That's what a forum is. Before you try throwing it back at me as you have previously, be prepared to back up what you type for once, rather than being too lazy and throwing empty accusations, as this is partly what caused my great contempt for you in the first place. You made statements about me and my posts, without being able to back them up, because your statements were untrue and unfounded in fact. I'm not a bully Stuey and have never had issues interacting with other members here properly before your good self, I challenge you to prove otherwise (the only reason I still have these poxy starts is because I feel that deleting my post history would appear as if I'm hiding something). I simply dislike most of what you have to say, not necessarily because I disagree, but the way you present your views just annoys me and your views themselves more often than not seem insincere and undermined by your other posts.
For Banksy's sake!
Any news on the pm's not opening? I've got 5 Nola's with sales pending and I can't get people's contact details 
