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POW Open Day • 2008, by thetruth55 on Dec 8, 2008 8:39:18 GMT 1, well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago.
well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago.
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POW Open Day • 2008, by buffruffly on Dec 8, 2008 9:28:46 GMT 1, with all of this maths stuff though..... POW aren't going to be able to ensure the unique entry part of the equation. i.e. I'm sure it will only matter for the equation if 2 or more of one person's entry's are pulled out. Other than in that scenario, all of the tickets will be counted. Am Maybe I'm being dumb. I was never any good at maths and it is very early....
with all of this maths stuff though..... POW aren't going to be able to ensure the unique entry part of the equation. i.e. I'm sure it will only matter for the equation if 2 or more of one person's entry's are pulled out. Other than in that scenario, all of the tickets will be counted. Am Maybe I'm being dumb. I was never any good at maths and it is very early....
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POW Open Day • 2008, by snakes on Dec 8, 2008 9:32:19 GMT 1, with all of this maths stuff though..... POW aren't going to be able to ensure the unique entry part of the equation. i.e. I'm sure it will only matter for the equation if 2 or more of one person's entry's are pulled out. Other than in that scenario, all of the tickets will be counted. Am Maybe I'm being dumb. I was never any good at maths and it is very early....
why count the tickets when it will be much easier to count the money?
with all of this maths stuff though..... POW aren't going to be able to ensure the unique entry part of the equation. i.e. I'm sure it will only matter for the equation if 2 or more of one person's entry's are pulled out. Other than in that scenario, all of the tickets will be counted. Am Maybe I'm being dumb. I was never any good at maths and it is very early.... why count the tickets when it will be much easier to count the money? |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by motor on Dec 8, 2008 9:45:14 GMT 1, well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago.
I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time.
well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago. I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by anthoz on Dec 8, 2008 10:03:10 GMT 1, OK,
Swore I wouldnt get involved but all of this talk of odds, chances, lottery tickets etc has inspired me not to do any work but to clarify this once and for all.
If you assume there are 10,000 tickets sold with each person averaging a purchase of 10 tickets and no one person being able to win more than once it should works as follows:
The first time a ticket is drawn each person has a 10/10,000 or a 1 in 1000 chance of their ticket being drawn.
The next draw only has 9990 entries left as the 10 belonging to the first winner dont count anymore, therefore you would have a 10/ 9,990 chance or 1 in 999 of winning
Each time a ticket is drawn (and the other tickets of that winner are removed from being eligable for the next draw) your odds get better.
BUT
even after 149 out of 150 prints are drawn (as an example.) There will have been 1490 out of 10,000 tickets removed from eligability which still only gives you a 10/8510 change or 1 in 851.
so therefore your chances of winning the final print, which is the most likely of all chances is still only 1 in 851 if you assume what I have assumed.
;D
OK,
Swore I wouldnt get involved but all of this talk of odds, chances, lottery tickets etc has inspired me not to do any work but to clarify this once and for all.
If you assume there are 10,000 tickets sold with each person averaging a purchase of 10 tickets and no one person being able to win more than once it should works as follows:
The first time a ticket is drawn each person has a 10/10,000 or a 1 in 1000 chance of their ticket being drawn.
The next draw only has 9990 entries left as the 10 belonging to the first winner dont count anymore, therefore you would have a 10/ 9,990 chance or 1 in 999 of winning
Each time a ticket is drawn (and the other tickets of that winner are removed from being eligable for the next draw) your odds get better.
BUT
even after 149 out of 150 prints are drawn (as an example.) There will have been 1490 out of 10,000 tickets removed from eligability which still only gives you a 10/8510 change or 1 in 851.
so therefore your chances of winning the final print, which is the most likely of all chances is still only 1 in 851 if you assume what I have assumed.
;D
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POW Open Day • 2008, by moff on Dec 8, 2008 10:09:17 GMT 1, i fell for the xenx too moff which i bought on saturday - a very low number too its going to cost a fortune to frame thought as it is huge
best print IMO not looking forward to the framing bill
i fell for the xenx too moff which i bought on saturday - a very low number too its going to cost a fortune to frame thought as it is huge best print IMO not looking forward to the framing bill |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by brun on Dec 8, 2008 10:12:10 GMT 1, yes was a banksy design , so i was told !
Love that.
Did anyone else hear that was a banksy design?[/quote]
yes was a banksy design , so i was told !
Love that.
Did anyone else hear that was a banksy design?[/quote]
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POW Open Day • 2008, by dundun on Dec 8, 2008 10:17:35 GMT 1, well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago. I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time.
Completely sure of this. I've been refreshing that page the whole weekend. ;D
well some Bast prints should be coming up on POW. i saw they added his page again. it wasn't there a day ago. I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time. Completely sure of this. I've been refreshing that page the whole weekend. ;D |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by richy00 on Dec 8, 2008 10:28:28 GMT 1, Pfffffffffft is wrong. case closed.
didn't google anything, did pure maths at alevel.
how you can still think you divide your odds of 20/10000 ( 1/500) by the number of prints makes me laugh everytime.. you are a silly billy
Pfffffffffft is wrong. case closed.
didn't google anything, did pure maths at alevel.
how you can still think you divide your odds of 20/10000 ( 1/500) by the number of prints makes me laugh everytime.. you are a silly billy
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POW Open Day • 2008, by Rsyok on Dec 8, 2008 10:53:37 GMT 1, Been lurking for a while. Thought I'd wait until I had something useful to add! (Hopefully) Went to POW today took the family (trying to justify the spending!). We had a fantastic time, and I'll probably go back tomorrow. The kids loved the t-shirt printing. Thought I'd post my purchase - a one-off BTOY - still can't believe I got it. Sorry I didn't buy the Vhils print - cracking! Hope the link works! Cheers 
Been lurking for a while. Thought I'd wait until I had something useful to add! (Hopefully) Went to POW today took the family (trying to justify the spending!). We had a fantastic time, and I'll probably go back tomorrow. The kids loved the t-shirt printing. Thought I'd post my purchase - a one-off BTOY - still can't believe I got it. Sorry I didn't buy the Vhils print - cracking! Hope the link works! Cheers Fantastic piece George how much was it ? BTOY originals are great. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by digitalkid on Dec 8, 2008 11:03:31 GMT 1, I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time. Completely sure of this. I've been refreshing that page the whole weekend. ;D
Make sure you bag yourself a Popeve! I did at the weekend and it's the don btw. It's getting framed this week, even before my Nola!!
I am pretty sure BAST page has been there all the time. Completely sure of this. I've been refreshing that page the whole weekend. ;D Make sure you bag yourself a Popeve! I did at the weekend and it's the don btw. It's getting framed this week, even before my Nola!! |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by anthoz on Dec 8, 2008 11:05:59 GMT 1, FFS guys the answer is simple explained below
please read it
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OK,
Swore I wouldnt get involved but all of this talk of odds, chances, lottery tickets etc has inspired me not to do any work but to clarify this once and for all.
If you assume there are 10,000 tickets sold with each person averaging a purchase of 10 tickets and no one person being able to win more than once it should works as follows:
The first time a ticket is drawn each person has a 10/10,000 or a 1 in 1000 chance of their ticket being drawn.
The next draw only has 9990 entries left as the 10 belonging to the first winner dont count anymore, therefore you would have a 10/ 9,990 chance or 1 in 999 of winning
Each time a ticket is drawn (and the other tickets of that winner are removed from being eligable for the next draw) your odds get better.
BUT
even after 149 out of 150 prints are drawn (as an example.) There will have been 1490 out of 10,000 tickets removed from eligability which still only gives you a 10/8510 change or 1 in 851.
so therefore your chances of winning the final print, which is the most likely of all chances is still only 1 in 851 if you assume what I have assumed.
FFS guys the answer is simple explained below
please read it
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OK,
Swore I wouldnt get involved but all of this talk of odds, chances, lottery tickets etc has inspired me not to do any work but to clarify this once and for all.
If you assume there are 10,000 tickets sold with each person averaging a purchase of 10 tickets and no one person being able to win more than once it should works as follows:
The first time a ticket is drawn each person has a 10/10,000 or a 1 in 1000 chance of their ticket being drawn.
The next draw only has 9990 entries left as the 10 belonging to the first winner dont count anymore, therefore you would have a 10/ 9,990 chance or 1 in 999 of winning
Each time a ticket is drawn (and the other tickets of that winner are removed from being eligable for the next draw) your odds get better.
BUT
even after 149 out of 150 prints are drawn (as an example.) There will have been 1490 out of 10,000 tickets removed from eligability which still only gives you a 10/8510 change or 1 in 851.
so therefore your chances of winning the final print, which is the most likely of all chances is still only 1 in 851 if you assume what I have assumed.
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POW Open Day • 2008, by stylus on Dec 8, 2008 11:05:59 GMT 1, Pfffffffffft is wrong. case closed. didn't google anything, did pure maths at alevel. how you can still think you divide your odds of 20/10000 ( 1/500) by the number of prints makes me laugh everytime.. you are a silly billy richy. it's really quite simple, assuming 3000 people entered and you can only win once regardless of the number of entries you placed your approximate odds are 1/20. ie 1 out of 20 of the 3000 unique entries will be awarded a print. Per draw, based on 10000 tickets sold, not disqualifying multiple entries: If you bought 1 ticket the odds of your ticket being drawn is .01% or 1/10000. If you bought 20 tickets your odds are .2% or 20/10000. You have a marginally better chance of your ticket being drawn if you purchased more and you have marginally better chance every time a winner is drawn. You cant calculate this using standard lotto math because you can only win once (unlike the lotto) so you must base it on the total number unique participants. Again, the basic formula is total number of outcomes divided by the total number of possible outcomes. As it is not possible to win more than once, multiple entries are disqualified therefore 150 total outcomes (150 prints) divided by 3000 people (assuming that is the number of unique entries) or approximately 1 in 20 or 1/20. If you want to calculate your odds on winning the blue nola, there is only 1 total outcome (ie one winner of the one off) by 10000 entires or possible outcomes (none disqualified as it's the first draw) there for your odds are 1/10000 per individual ticket or 1 in 10,000. Part of my job is doing analysis. And your qualifications are??? 
I wasn't going to join in with this debate, but my love of all things slightly (or very) geeky meant I couldn't resist.
I knocked up a quick spreadsheet to model it (see? I've just hit very geeky) and my analysis supports what Pfffffffffft has said above.
On a slightly different note, I don't know whether or not this has already been raised on this thread, but the wording of the chalk board at the lottery stand left me a little unsure as to exactly what the deal was.
It said something along the lines of first 2 names get a free one and then the next 150 get the right to buy. What it didn't say was whether this was for each individual print, or across all three. For example, the Micallefs are editions of 150, right? So two free prints plus 150 'right-to-buy' equals 152. This made me question whether the 150 prints was spread across the three editions.
Apologies if this has already been covered, or if I'm being stupid. I'd assign a probability of 1/2 to either of these outcomes. 
Pfffffffffft is wrong. case closed. didn't google anything, did pure maths at alevel. how you can still think you divide your odds of 20/10000 ( 1/500) by the number of prints makes me laugh everytime.. you are a silly billy richy. it's really quite simple, assuming 3000 people entered and you can only win once regardless of the number of entries you placed your approximate odds are 1/20. ie 1 out of 20 of the 3000 unique entries will be awarded a print. Per draw, based on 10000 tickets sold, not disqualifying multiple entries: If you bought 1 ticket the odds of your ticket being drawn is .01% or 1/10000. If you bought 20 tickets your odds are .2% or 20/10000. You have a marginally better chance of your ticket being drawn if you purchased more and you have marginally better chance every time a winner is drawn. You cant calculate this using standard lotto math because you can only win once (unlike the lotto) so you must base it on the total number unique participants. Again, the basic formula is total number of outcomes divided by the total number of possible outcomes. As it is not possible to win more than once, multiple entries are disqualified therefore 150 total outcomes (150 prints) divided by 3000 people (assuming that is the number of unique entries) or approximately 1 in 20 or 1/20. If you want to calculate your odds on winning the blue nola, there is only 1 total outcome (ie one winner of the one off) by 10000 entires or possible outcomes (none disqualified as it's the first draw) there for your odds are 1/10000 per individual ticket or 1 in 10,000. Part of my job is doing analysis. And your qualifications are??? I wasn't going to join in with this debate, but my love of all things slightly (or very) geeky meant I couldn't resist. I knocked up a quick spreadsheet to model it (see? I've just hit very geeky) and my analysis supports what Pfffffffffft has said above. On a slightly different note, I don't know whether or not this has already been raised on this thread, but the wording of the chalk board at the lottery stand left me a little unsure as to exactly what the deal was. It said something along the lines of first 2 names get a free one and then the next 150 get the right to buy. What it didn't say was whether this was for each individual print, or across all three. For example, the Micallefs are editions of 150, right? So two free prints plus 150 'right-to-buy' equals 152. This made me question whether the 150 prints was spread across the three editions. Apologies if this has already been covered, or if I'm being stupid. I'd assign a probability of 1/2 to either of these outcomes. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by moff on Dec 8, 2008 11:08:38 GMT 1, anthoz is correct end off
anthoz is correct end off
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POW Open Day • 2008, by moff on Dec 8, 2008 11:09:41 GMT 1, of sorry still have the shakes from the weekendddddddd
of sorry still have the shakes from the weekendddddddd
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POW Open Day • 2008, by anthoz on Dec 8, 2008 11:10:29 GMT 1, anthoz is correct end off
glad at least 1 person is paying attention 
anthoz is correct end off glad at least 1 person is paying attention |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by alsbabar on Dec 8, 2008 11:10:35 GMT 1, was that from filling in your lottery tickets 20 times moff ;D
good seeing you again mate
was that from filling in your lottery tickets 20 times moff ;D
good seeing you again mate
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POW Open Day • 2008, by grantb on Dec 8, 2008 11:12:28 GMT 1, does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; )
does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; )
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POW Open Day • 2008, by alsbabar on Dec 8, 2008 11:14:08 GMT 1, does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; )
what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!!
does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; ) what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!! |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by Wiseblood on Dec 8, 2008 11:14:25 GMT 1, 
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POW Open Day • 2008, by grantb on Dec 8, 2008 11:17:05 GMT 1, does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; ) what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!!
slating ? sorry i wasnt really complaining. i expected a queue. and yer obv it will be worth all the queing if i won. i did say i had a good time.
does it matter thinking about the oddds. they are going to be slim anyway. good luck! pow will hopefully draw me first ; ) what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!! slating ? sorry i wasnt really complaining. i expected a queue. and yer obv it will be worth all the queing if i won. i did say i had a good time. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by jamieb on Dec 8, 2008 11:17:30 GMT 1, All this talk of odds
it's simple really your chances are 50/50 you either win or you don't, easy. 
All this talk of odds it's simple really your chances are 50/50 you either win or you don't, easy. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by alsbabar on Dec 8, 2008 11:18:45 GMT 1, what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!! slating ? sorry i wasnt really complaining. i expected a queue. and yer obv it will be worth all the queing if i won. i did say i had a good time.
reads like a slating to me and no where in that thread have you said you had a good time - only "i wish i had a lot of money"
what after the slating you gave them on your other thread!!!! Bet you if you did win, the queue, and the money spent would be worth every penny wouldnt it!!!!!! slating ? sorry i wasnt really complaining. i expected a queue. and yer obv it will be worth all the queing if i won. i did say i had a good time. reads like a slating to me and no where in that thread have you said you had a good time - only "i wish i had a lot of money" |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by brun on Dec 8, 2008 11:20:23 GMT 1, who cares what the odds are ? i bought 30 tickets over two days , and put them in my name , my girlfriends name, random friends names and my friends daughters name , so what are those odds ? if you win you win but if you dont you put money to a good cause ....i ve never seen so many people queuing up to give to charity !!!!!
who cares what the odds are ? i bought 30 tickets over two days , and put them in my name , my girlfriends name, random friends names and my friends daughters name , so what are those odds ? if you win you win but if you dont you put money to a good cause ....i ve never seen so many people queuing up to give to charity !!!!!
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POW Open Day • 2008, by Guest on Dec 8, 2008 11:20:24 GMT 1, All this talk of odds it's simple really your chances are 50/50 you either win or you don't, easy.
what a great way to look at it ;D
All this talk of odds it's simple really your chances are 50/50 you either win or you don't, easy. what a great way to look at it ;D |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by grantb on Dec 8, 2008 11:21:34 GMT 1, i didnt want it to sound like that but there was so much on sale....with some things quite expensive and i just wished i had more money. wanted a bast and that paul insect on metal. but i wouldve needed 1400 for them.
i didnt want it to sound like that but there was so much on sale....with some things quite expensive and i just wished i had more money. wanted a bast and that paul insect on metal. but i wouldve needed 1400 for them.
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POW Open Day • 2008, by alsbabar on Dec 8, 2008 11:26:42 GMT 1, well its sound like you did, if not why start a thread like that? There were things on sale for as little as 50p also, which were just as nice as print, like the vlad nanca balloons, or the £10 insect paste ups, or the £15 tshirts (couple of which were banksy stencils, like "first against the wall or roller zorro).
well its sound like you did, if not why start a thread like that? There were things on sale for as little as 50p also, which were just as nice as print, like the vlad nanca balloons, or the £10 insect paste ups, or the £15 tshirts (couple of which were banksy stencils, like "first against the wall or roller zorro).
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POW Open Day • 2008, by robinbanks on Dec 8, 2008 11:29:54 GMT 1, who cares what the odds are ? i bought 30 tickets over two days , and put them in my name , my girlfriends name, random friends names and my friends daughters name , so what are those odds ? if you win you win but if you dont you put money to a good cause ....i ve never seen so many people queuing up to give to charity !!!!!
It was obvious the lottery was open to manipulation but I didn't expect to see a forum member on here admitting that they had flouted the rules. A bit disappointing really. Good luck with the draw 
And ps - as lovely as it was to see so much money being raised for charity I doubt that was the reason so many people queued up. I would say quite confidently that almost everyone would have still formed an orderly line even if all monies raised went straight to POW.
who cares what the odds are ? i bought 30 tickets over two days , and put them in my name , my girlfriends name, random friends names and my friends daughters name , so what are those odds ? if you win you win but if you dont you put money to a good cause ....i ve never seen so many people queuing up to give to charity !!!!! It was obvious the lottery was open to manipulation but I didn't expect to see a forum member on here admitting that they had flouted the rules. A bit disappointing really. Good luck with the draw And ps - as lovely as it was to see so much money being raised for charity I doubt that was the reason so many people queued up. I would say quite confidently that almost everyone would have still formed an orderly line even if all monies raised went straight to POW. |
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POW Open Day • 2008, by slacker on Dec 8, 2008 11:32:38 GMT 1, my mate is a bookie so i asked him to give me the odds. his advice...
stick your £20 on west brom to win the premiership 'cos the odds are better
my mate is a bookie so i asked him to give me the odds. his advice...
stick your £20 on west brom to win the premiership 'cos the odds are better
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POW Open Day • 2008, by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 11:33:58 GMT 1, ...he wasn't  ...was he???
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