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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by streetgirl on Sept 25, 2007 11:43:43 GMT 1, Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house.
Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 11:50:06 GMT 1, Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house.
The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in  maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D
Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house. The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by GD303uk on Sept 25, 2007 11:51:13 GMT 1, POP,
could this be the sound of the bubble bursting?
to the people that negged me
you dont think this will affect confidance in this art scene?
would you feel safe in buying a signed and stamped print?
will you, if selling get the price you want after this, time will tell.
granted this isnt the end but it is a major hikup.
POP,
could this be the sound of the bubble bursting?
to the people that negged me
you dont think this will affect confidance in this art scene?
would you feel safe in buying a signed and stamped print?
will you, if selling get the price you want after this, time will tell.
granted this isnt the end but it is a major hikup.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pezlow on Sept 25, 2007 11:51:56 GMT 1, I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this.
I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Macdeee on Sept 25, 2007 11:53:33 GMT 1, I agree with Pezlow... Lets not mention names just yet. Its all talk at the moment.
I agree with Pezlow... Lets not mention names just yet. Its all talk at the moment.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2007 11:54:59 GMT 1, I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this.
I concur
However i'm sad to say, i'm not in the least bit surprised about this news
I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this. I concur However i'm sad to say, i'm not in the least bit surprised about this news |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by carlito on Sept 25, 2007 11:55:11 GMT 1, ...good explanation for why there's been no new Banksy's eh
...good explanation for why there's been no new Banksy's eh
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by waveydavey on Sept 25, 2007 11:56:49 GMT 1, Ahh Pezlow the lawyer again. Libel, defamation of character etc.
Sorry pezlow, i have too much time on my hands today.
Ahh Pezlow the lawyer again. Libel, defamation of character etc.
Sorry pezlow, i have too much time on my hands today.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by trebor on Sept 25, 2007 11:56:50 GMT 1, This won't really be a big problem and will all blow over, its just some part time print rolling staff who took it upon themselves to borrow a few over prints from the rack, stamp and number them! They will be found out the buyers of the prints will be notified and we will all go back to looking out the window again.
If anyone here has been into POW they themselves will know how tempting those racks full of sold out prints look, if I worked there I doubt I could have resisted, and would bet no more than 25 prints were stolen as well.
This won't really be a big problem and will all blow over, its just some part time print rolling staff who took it upon themselves to borrow a few over prints from the rack, stamp and number them! They will be found out the buyers of the prints will be notified and we will all go back to looking out the window again.
If anyone here has been into POW they themselves will know how tempting those racks full of sold out prints look, if I worked there I doubt I could have resisted, and would bet no more than 25 prints were stolen as well.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by jam on Sept 25, 2007 11:58:52 GMT 1, I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this.
I agree Pez... and I deleted my prior post that made inferences to certain people's possible involvement. Let the chips fall where they may and in the end we will hopefully have some answers and feel that the issues were addressed properly. Perhaps as a result, there will be a better system implemented.
I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this. I agree Pez... and I deleted my prior post that made inferences to certain people's possible involvement. Let the chips fall where they may and in the end we will hopefully have some answers and feel that the issues were addressed properly. Perhaps as a result, there will be a better system implemented. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by rustyb on Sept 25, 2007 11:59:19 GMT 1, Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house. The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D
I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company
*** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW
Apologies if someone has already posted this comment (i'm at work and can't read through all of your comments) but for me the worrying thing is that one of the three employees at POW has now left to start his/her own print house. The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company *** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by motor on Sept 25, 2007 11:59:53 GMT 1, This won't really be a big problem and will all blow over, its just some part time print rolling staff who took it upon themselves to borrow a few over prints from the rack, stamp and number them! They will be found out the buyers of the prints will be notified and we will all go back to looking out the window again. If anyone here has been into POW they themselves will know how tempting those racks full of sold out prints look, if I worked there I doubt I could have resisted, and would bet no more than 25 prints were stolen as well.
Aye!
This won't really be a big problem and will all blow over, its just some part time print rolling staff who took it upon themselves to borrow a few over prints from the rack, stamp and number them! They will be found out the buyers of the prints will be notified and we will all go back to looking out the window again. If anyone here has been into POW they themselves will know how tempting those racks full of sold out prints look, if I worked there I doubt I could have resisted, and would bet no more than 25 prints were stolen as well. Aye! |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by CR on Sept 25, 2007 12:00:55 GMT 1, I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this. I agree Pez... and I deleted my prior post that made inferences to certain people. Let the chips fall where they may and in the end we will hopefully have some answers and feel that the issues were addressed properly and that there is a better system implemented.
I agree, but if this other person who may or may not have been involved has set up a print house (I think we all know which one) then I would want them to make a statement before I make any purchases from them!
I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities!
CR
I really don't think it is a good idea to speculate about which individuals may or may not have been involved in this. I agree Pez... and I deleted my prior post that made inferences to certain people. Let the chips fall where they may and in the end we will hopefully have some answers and feel that the issues were addressed properly and that there is a better system implemented. I agree, but if this other person who may or may not have been involved has set up a print house (I think we all know which one) then I would want them to make a statement before I make any purchases from them! I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities! CR |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by william on Sept 25, 2007 12:04:28 GMT 1, If anyone has information, which they feel may be relevant to the articles published today in The Art Newspaper and subsequently The Guardian, please feel free to contact me on:
w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com
Thanks,
William
If anyone has information, which they feel may be relevant to the articles published today in The Art Newspaper and subsequently The Guardian, please feel free to contact me on:
w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com
Thanks,
William
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pw on Sept 25, 2007 12:05:04 GMT 1, The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company *** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW
I'm pretty sure steph left at the start of the year. not recently.
The impression I get from Steph was that she was never really happy with the direction POW were going in maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company *** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW I'm pretty sure steph left at the start of the year. not recently. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pw on Sept 25, 2007 12:07:44 GMT 1, If anyone has information, which they feel may be relevant to the articles published today in The Art Newspaper and subsequently The Guardian, please feel free to contact me on: w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com Thanks, William
how about you give us some info buddy?
If anyone has information, which they feel may be relevant to the articles published today in The Art Newspaper and subsequently The Guardian, please feel free to contact me on: w.oliver@theartnewspaper.com Thanks, William how about you give us some info buddy? |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 12:09:01 GMT 1, Don't under estimate the ramifications of this. If Laz has said 25 and sources have said 100, who knows? Bear in mind it was the 'inside source' that blew the lid on this scam. They should have more idea than anyone.
Potentially, some of these fakes may well be untraceable. It really depends on how organised the fraudsters were.
It's painful for anyone at the receiving end so my sympathies go out to anyone who's caught up in this. But in the long run this debacle could prove to be a blessing in disguise for validating future releases and coa/provenance.
However, with the release of Mode2 earlier today it still looks like POW haven't learnt any lessons yet.
Don't under estimate the ramifications of this. If Laz has said 25 and sources have said 100, who knows? Bear in mind it was the 'inside source' that blew the lid on this scam. They should have more idea than anyone.
Potentially, some of these fakes may well be untraceable. It really depends on how organised the fraudsters were.
It's painful for anyone at the receiving end so my sympathies go out to anyone who's caught up in this. But in the long run this debacle could prove to be a blessing in disguise for validating future releases and coa/provenance.
However, with the release of Mode2 earlier today it still looks like POW haven't learnt any lessons yet.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 12:11:16 GMT 1, I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company *** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW I'm pretty sure steph left at the start of the year. not recently.
Yeah, Steph left just after Christmas.
The story does not say Steph was involved in it.
I was jsut about to mention Stella Dore, seems a bit iffy that a senior member of staff ups sticks, leaves and sets up her own company, just a few weeks before this story comes out, clearly saying a member of the fraud squad has left to set up her own company *** this in no way is trying to implicate Steph, or Stella Dore, I'm just hoping they have nicked Banksy off of POW I'm pretty sure steph left at the start of the year. not recently. Yeah, Steph left just after Christmas. The story does not say Steph was involved in it. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by becksaboo on Sept 25, 2007 12:11:48 GMT 1, I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get.
I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 12:19:34 GMT 1, I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get.
Great idea.
However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem
I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get. Great idea. However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by knox on Sept 25, 2007 12:21:08 GMT 1, Am I the only one not that shocked?
I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has.
Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions?
Not saying it is right but just not surprised.
Am I the only one not that shocked?
I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has.
Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions?
Not saying it is right but just not surprised.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sorl on Sept 25, 2007 12:22:09 GMT 1, i reckon some of you are being pretty naive about all of this.
how many POW employees have left to set up their print sales companies that you know of?
in fact how many people do you know that work at POW? from my dealings with them, not that many. and how many people at POW have you been able to email or call to authenticate a print? again not that many. that article says people were told specifically who to call at POW to have these bad prints authenticated.
also, getting a new stamp - i don't reckon it's as simple as it might seem to get a duplicate stamp done just like the POW one.
surely the reason the story doesn't name names is because it's less of a legal issue in that case? they must know from the people they talked to exactly who's involved but i guess it keeps it out of court if they don't say anything that could be libel.
to think that this is down to the work of some opportunist part-timers seems pretty unlikely to me.
i reckon some of you are being pretty naive about all of this.
how many POW employees have left to set up their print sales companies that you know of?
in fact how many people do you know that work at POW? from my dealings with them, not that many. and how many people at POW have you been able to email or call to authenticate a print? again not that many. that article says people were told specifically who to call at POW to have these bad prints authenticated.
also, getting a new stamp - i don't reckon it's as simple as it might seem to get a duplicate stamp done just like the POW one.
surely the reason the story doesn't name names is because it's less of a legal issue in that case? they must know from the people they talked to exactly who's involved but i guess it keeps it out of court if they don't say anything that could be libel.
to think that this is down to the work of some opportunist part-timers seems pretty unlikely to me.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by spirit on Sept 25, 2007 12:22:20 GMT 1, I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities! CR
like street artists? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities! CR like street artists? ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 12:23:11 GMT 1, Am I the only one not that shocked? I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has. Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions? Not saying it is right but just not surprised.
I don't disagree with your comment I'm just glad you don't work for me.
Am I the only one not that shocked? I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has. Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions? Not saying it is right but just not surprised. I don't disagree with your comment I'm just glad you don't work for me. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pw on Sept 25, 2007 12:23:15 GMT 1, I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get. Great idea. However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem
i suspect that the prints in question will be the more recent prints like rats/cnd/J&J. i dont think they had many of the older prints lying around the office and this probably only started in the last 12 months or so.
I think they should publish a list of some of the prints which they suspect were dodgy, e.g. 5 soup cans, 2 tm etc if only to narrow down the number of speculative emails they get. Great idea. However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem i suspect that the prints in question will be the more recent prints like rats/cnd/J&J. i dont think they had many of the older prints lying around the office and this probably only started in the last 12 months or so. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by CR on Sept 25, 2007 12:26:43 GMT 1, I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities! CR like street artists? ;D ;D ;D ;D
They aren't doing anything illegal, just minsunderstood art!!
I wouldn't want to be buying anything from someone who had been involved in illegal activities! CR like street artists? ;D ;D ;D ;D They aren't doing anything illegal, just minsunderstood art!! |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by notitle on Sept 25, 2007 12:27:13 GMT 1, i also, getting a new stamp - i don't reckon it's as simple as it might seem to get a duplicate stamp done just like the POW one.
piss easy. if you work there i'm sure the pc's aren't all password protected. get a copy of the artwork that was originally sent to the stamp manufacturer. order a new copy out of hours. probably the most important but also easiest part of the whole thing.
i also, getting a new stamp - i don't reckon it's as simple as it might seem to get a duplicate stamp done just like the POW one. piss easy. if you work there i'm sure the pc's aren't all password protected. get a copy of the artwork that was originally sent to the stamp manufacturer. order a new copy out of hours. probably the most important but also easiest part of the whole thing. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by knox on Sept 25, 2007 12:27:57 GMT 1, Am I the only one not that shocked? I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has. Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions? Not saying it is right but just not surprised. I don't disagree with your comment I'm just glad you don't work for me.
Not saying i'd do that myself, but I can see how easy it would be to do so.
So er... any chance of a job?
Am I the only one not that shocked? I can't imagine the wages are astronomical at POW, you have the means for making some serious cash if you don't get too greedy and arrogant. But with all types of industry where scams take place the culprit has. Is it different than a seceratary skimming from her boss and going on lavish holidays, or TV companies rigging competitions? Not saying it is right but just not surprised. I don't disagree with your comment I'm just glad you don't work for me. Not saying i'd do that myself, but I can see how easy it would be to do so. So er... any chance of a job? |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by numusic on Sept 25, 2007 12:28:04 GMT 1, Great idea. However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem i suspect that the prints in question will be the more recent prints like rats/cnd/J&J. i dont think they had many of the older prints lying around the office and this probably only started in the last 12 months or so.
They have a fair few of every print going back to 2003
Great idea. However, that may let the cat out of the bag regarding the extent of the problem i suspect that the prints in question will be the more recent prints like rats/cnd/J&J. i dont think they had many of the older prints lying around the office and this probably only started in the last 12 months or so. They have a fair few of every print going back to 2003 |
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maybe she found out about what was going on and decided she did not want to be involved, so left to start up StellaDore? ;D 
