Harveyn
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Harveyn on Sept 25, 2007 15:01:34 GMT 1, I agree Carlito - It beats talking about AM. Although both topics have a common denominator (lowest? )....... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I agree Slowmo - Positive strong action and good communication. Not something we are always use to.....
I agree Carlito - It beats talking about AM. Although both topics have a common denominator (lowest? )....... ;D ;D ;D ;D I agree Slowmo - Positive strong action and good communication. Not something we are always use to..... |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by cashman on Sept 25, 2007 15:09:50 GMT 1, whatever the names are, the guardian article is based on the Art Review piece. The Guardian journalist will just defer to them... again, best not to throw any names around True. Let's hope the person named is not involved - but if they were, they're hardly likely to admit it are they! ;D
But we have Cheif Inspector silk on the case now so all will be ok 
whatever the names are, the guardian article is based on the Art Review piece. The Guardian journalist will just defer to them... again, best not to throw any names around True. Let's hope the person named is not involved - but if they were, they're hardly likely to admit it are they! ;D But we have Cheif Inspector silk on the case now so all will be ok |
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ctc2
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by ctc2 on Sept 25, 2007 15:11:19 GMT 1, What worries me is that I have traded prints with others and relied upon the POW system to authenticate them. It seems to me that one good scam is to trade fakes for real prints and use the inside connection to authenticate the fakes.
What worries me is that I have traded prints with others and relied upon the POW system to authenticate them. It seems to me that one good scam is to trade fakes for real prints and use the inside connection to authenticate the fakes.
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sham69
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 15:21:46 GMT 1, who's panicking ? its just fasicinating news and everyone's having a good gossip 
Just remember that there might be some on this forum who are staring into a very deep hole.
No fascination, no gossip, just a boat load of anguish.
Just be sympathetic to the cause.
who's panicking ? its just fasicinating news and everyone's having a good gossip Just remember that there might be some on this forum who are staring into a very deep hole. No fascination, no gossip, just a boat load of anguish. Just be sympathetic to the cause. |
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sham69
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 15:28:49 GMT 1, I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish  someone somewhere trying to cause trouble 
I hope you're right. Care to elaborate or at least substantiate your remark?
I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble I hope you're right. Care to elaborate or at least substantiate your remark? |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by carlito on Sept 25, 2007 15:29:21 GMT 1, sighhhhhh obviously if you've ended up with a knock off prints its bad news..I've stated as much , earlier in a post...but to counter this its not about to bring an end to the wonderful wacky world of print purchasing we're all into, and to all leap board the ship of anguish..may just may be a little over the top...
sighhhhhh obviously if you've ended up with a knock off prints its bad news..I've stated as much , earlier in a post...but to counter this its not about to bring an end to the wonderful wacky world of print purchasing we're all into, and to all leap board the ship of anguish..may just may be a little over the top...
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funster
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by funster on Sept 25, 2007 15:29:53 GMT 1, who's panicking ? its just fasicinating news and everyone's having a good gossip
Whilst I really want to agree with you Carlito and whilst I'm not totally panicking this is really bad news. I've just bought a GWB for my dads 60th and its things like the blindstamp etc that you really rely on when looking to see if its genuine. Whilst I'm really confident about my piece think how much hurt it would cause the people who have bought a fake who didn't buy it as the next big investment opportunity but because they loved the piece and it was special to them (like GWB is for my dad). This is a sad day for POW and like McLaren have just found out, the boss doesn't need to be in on it to completely f*ck it up for everyone else.
who's panicking ? its just fasicinating news and everyone's having a good gossip Whilst I really want to agree with you Carlito and whilst I'm not totally panicking this is really bad news. I've just bought a GWB for my dads 60th and its things like the blindstamp etc that you really rely on when looking to see if its genuine. Whilst I'm really confident about my piece think how much hurt it would cause the people who have bought a fake who didn't buy it as the next big investment opportunity but because they loved the piece and it was special to them (like GWB is for my dad). This is a sad day for POW and like McLaren have just found out, the boss doesn't need to be in on it to completely f*ck it up for everyone else. |
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RBK
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by RBK on Sept 25, 2007 15:34:10 GMT 1, I bet the crisis management team POW/Laz hires recommends they stress they are the victims here - because of some renegade/unscrupulous employees.
I wouldn't freak out people. If you were buying signed, unnumbered prints on Ebay - you had to have an idea of what you were buying. If these were numbered & POW stamped though - this is seriously going to damage POW's reputation.
I bet the crisis management team POW/Laz hires recommends they stress they are the victims here - because of some renegade/unscrupulous employees.
I wouldn't freak out people. If you were buying signed, unnumbered prints on Ebay - you had to have an idea of what you were buying. If these were numbered & POW stamped though - this is seriously going to damage POW's reputation.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 15:34:23 GMT 1, I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble I hope you're right. Care to elaborate or at least substantiate your remark?
arrhhhh! I just not think its true  To me it sound like someone has heard a rumor, and put two and two together and have ended up with some strange cock and bull story 
I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble I hope you're right. Care to elaborate or at least substantiate your remark? arrhhhh! I just not think its true To me it sound like someone has heard a rumor, and put two and two together and have ended up with some strange cock and bull story |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by becksaboo on Sept 25, 2007 15:34:58 GMT 1, I wonder how much an impact this will have on the 'flipping' market now- certainly one way of calming it down a bit! Buy buy buy whilst everyone's worried! ;D
I wonder how much an impact this will have on the 'flipping' market now- certainly one way of calming it down a bit! Buy buy buy whilst everyone's worried! ;D
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by daz205 on Sept 25, 2007 15:35:05 GMT 1, are the articles implying that POW verified the prints authenticity falsely or that the buyer was given the option to contact POW about its authenticity, either way i guess if you bought a legit print from ebay no 3/10 then marked up all your backdoor prints 3/10 you would have all the information to make it authentic
are the articles implying that POW verified the prints authenticity falsely or that the buyer was given the option to contact POW about its authenticity, either way i guess if you bought a legit print from ebay no 3/10 then marked up all your backdoor prints 3/10 you would have all the information to make it authentic
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notitle
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by notitle on Sept 25, 2007 15:35:45 GMT 1, starting to feel glad my GWB is unstamped!
starting to feel glad my GWB is unstamped!
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by mcnuts on Sept 25, 2007 15:35:51 GMT 1, I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble
i hope you are right but seems like guess work to me. i would think due ot the tight libel and slander laws in this country that a piece such as this which makes very strong claims would be passed through lawyers and checked before published. To write everything off as an act of vengence on behalf of a whistle blower is jumping the gun.
We know very little beyond the article published and can't point any fingers. But, at the same time some respect needs to be given to the whistle blower. Having said that, POW are obviously innocent until proven guilty but this is pretty damning/
Most of what is said on here is conjecture but at the same time a but we shouldn't dismiss anything until its sorted. Again, SIlky I hope you are right, i just think it's too early to say for certain.
I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble i hope you are right but seems like guess work to me. i would think due ot the tight libel and slander laws in this country that a piece such as this which makes very strong claims would be passed through lawyers and checked before published. To write everything off as an act of vengence on behalf of a whistle blower is jumping the gun. We know very little beyond the article published and can't point any fingers. But, at the same time some respect needs to be given to the whistle blower. Having said that, POW are obviously innocent until proven guilty but this is pretty damning/ Most of what is said on here is conjecture but at the same time a but we shouldn't dismiss anything until its sorted. Again, SIlky I hope you are right, i just think it's too early to say for certain. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 15:40:33 GMT 1, I certainly don't share your confidence Silky, and neither does POW.
Having said that, our world isn't about to fall in on itself, it's perhaps going to affect 25 - 100 items but nearly everyone's prints are just fine, let's not make it worse than it is.
I certainly don't share your confidence Silky, and neither does POW.
Having said that, our world isn't about to fall in on itself, it's perhaps going to affect 25 - 100 items but nearly everyone's prints are just fine, let's not make it worse than it is.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by becksaboo on Sept 25, 2007 15:41:02 GMT 1, also think of all the thousands of prints which he's released- so 25 or 100 is quite small in comparison.
also think of all the thousands of prints which he's released- so 25 or 100 is quite small in comparison.
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sham69
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 15:44:16 GMT 1, also think of all the thousands of prints which he's released- so 25 or 100 is quite small in comparison.
Unless one of them's yours
also think of all the thousands of prints which he's released- so 25 or 100 is quite small in comparison. Unless one of them's yours |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by alvington89 on Sept 25, 2007 15:45:10 GMT 1, It's a matter of principle not quantity.
It's a matter of principle not quantity.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sorl on Sept 25, 2007 15:46:55 GMT 1, why would laz and banksy provide quotes to the paper like they did if this was just a rumour?
they wouldn't have released statements through their lawyers until the whole thing had been checked out. the whole process of dialogue between the journalists, those that have given them material and the artist/gallerist/accused individuals, will have been going on for a good few weeks already, it's not just some spur of the moment slur.
why would laz and banksy provide quotes to the paper like they did if this was just a rumour?
they wouldn't have released statements through their lawyers until the whole thing had been checked out. the whole process of dialogue between the journalists, those that have given them material and the artist/gallerist/accused individuals, will have been going on for a good few weeks already, it's not just some spur of the moment slur.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by slowmo on Sept 25, 2007 15:48:30 GMT 1, One thing is for sure, from now on no worker within POW or LAZ should be allowed to purchase any artwork from the company, as fraud has clearly taken place and has been recognised by the company.
One thing is for sure, from now on no worker within POW or LAZ should be allowed to purchase any artwork from the company, as fraud has clearly taken place and has been recognised by the company.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by daz205 on Sept 25, 2007 15:50:11 GMT 1, if those 25-100 prints are 5 off each print banksy has released then its alot of trouble for this scene, when i first joined here i can remember someone selling backdoor prints could it not be those renumbered and signed?
if those 25-100 prints are 5 off each print banksy has released then its alot of trouble for this scene, when i first joined here i can remember someone selling backdoor prints could it not be those renumbered and signed?
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 15:52:16 GMT 1, I certainly don't share your confidence Silky, and neither does POW. Having said that, our world isn't about to fall in on itself, it's perhaps going to affect 25 - 100 items but nearly everyone's prints are just fine, let's not make it worse than it is.
I dont know any more than anyone else but I think its very easy to jump to conclusions from the Guardian piece so maybe thats what they want us to do
I certainly don't share your confidence Silky, and neither does POW. Having said that, our world isn't about to fall in on itself, it's perhaps going to affect 25 - 100 items but nearly everyone's prints are just fine, let's not make it worse than it is. I dont know any more than anyone else but I think its very easy to jump to conclusions from the Guardian piece so maybe thats what they want us to do |
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RBK
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by RBK on Sept 25, 2007 15:54:07 GMT 1, Can one of you people freaking out and emailing POW please ask when the Micallefs are shipping out?
Can one of you people freaking out and emailing POW please ask when the Micallefs are shipping out? |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by numusic on Sept 25, 2007 15:55:54 GMT 1, I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble
I think I'd agree with this until something is proven ... or not. The journalist is being led up the garden path by some p*ick who's been ripping people off and shilling his own prints.
I think the whole thing will turn out to be a load of rubbish someone somewhere trying to cause trouble I think I'd agree with this until something is proven ... or not. The journalist is being led up the garden path by some p*ick who's been ripping people off and shilling his own prints. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 15:56:16 GMT 1, if those 25-100 prints are 5 off each print banksy has released then its alot of trouble for this scene, when i first joined here i can remember someone selling backdoor prints could it not be those renumbered and signed?
Banksy has released about 40 different prints, in volumes of up to 1000 per print although 500 - 700 is more common.
The backdoor prints wouldn't have a POW stamp.
if those 25-100 prints are 5 off each print banksy has released then its alot of trouble for this scene, when i first joined here i can remember someone selling backdoor prints could it not be those renumbered and signed? Banksy has released about 40 different prints, in volumes of up to 1000 per print although 500 - 700 is more common. The backdoor prints wouldn't have a POW stamp. |
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sham69
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 15:57:26 GMT 1, Put it this way. Even if you had it to spend, in the current light of things would you shell out £7k on a signed print today?
Remember, we're led to believe the prints in question had:
1. Signatures
2. Embossed Stamps
3. Receipts
4. The ability to be confirmed by POW
Where does that leave the current POW Banksy market? This is a confidence issue, and like all commerce, if confidence is lost things can unravel pretty quickly.
Laz and POW will be losing a lot of credibility with the art hierarchy and indeed the buying public over this, it's potentially very damaging when the official main source of validation and authentication is seen to be rotten to the core.
Put it this way. Even if you had it to spend, in the current light of things would you shell out £7k on a signed print today?
Remember, we're led to believe the prints in question had:
1. Signatures
2. Embossed Stamps
3. Receipts
4. The ability to be confirmed by POW
Where does that leave the current POW Banksy market? This is a confidence issue, and like all commerce, if confidence is lost things can unravel pretty quickly.
Laz and POW will be losing a lot of credibility with the art hierarchy and indeed the buying public over this, it's potentially very damaging when the official main source of validation and authentication is seen to be rotten to the core.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pw on Sept 25, 2007 16:03:28 GMT 1, Put it this way. Even if you had it to spend, in the current light of things would you shell out £7k on a signed print today? Remember, we're led to believe all the prints in question had: 1. Signatures 2. Embossed Stamps 3. Receipts 4. The ability to be confirmed by POW Where does that leave the current POW Banksy market? This is a confidence issue, and like all commerce, if confidence is lost things can unravel pretty quickly. Laz and POW will be losing a lot of credibility with the art hierarchy and indeed the buying public over this, it's potentially very damaging when the official main source of validation and authentication is seen to be rotten to the core.
i think its implied that most of the prints in question were not signed but a few were. i think the signature would be one of the hardest parts of the operation.
Put it this way. Even if you had it to spend, in the current light of things would you shell out £7k on a signed print today? Remember, we're led to believe all the prints in question had: 1. Signatures 2. Embossed Stamps 3. Receipts 4. The ability to be confirmed by POW Where does that leave the current POW Banksy market? This is a confidence issue, and like all commerce, if confidence is lost things can unravel pretty quickly. Laz and POW will be losing a lot of credibility with the art hierarchy and indeed the buying public over this, it's potentially very damaging when the official main source of validation and authentication is seen to be rotten to the core. i think its implied that most of the prints in question were not signed but a few were. i think the signature would be one of the hardest parts of the operation. |
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Harveyn
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Harveyn on Sept 25, 2007 16:06:13 GMT 1, Sham69 - I am with you on this. This has to be damaging to Laz and the confidence in the market to buy Banksy prints.
I do not think statements would have been made to the press by the Artist or Laz if this was not a known issue.
Like most people my best chance of buying a Banksy print is in the secondary market. I have been looking to buy one for months. I am not concerned about buying one and the value dropping because of this issue but I am concern about spending a significant amount of money for a signed piece and finding it is a fake.
Sham69 - I am with you on this. This has to be damaging to Laz and the confidence in the market to buy Banksy prints.
I do not think statements would have been made to the press by the Artist or Laz if this was not a known issue.
Like most people my best chance of buying a Banksy print is in the secondary market. I have been looking to buy one for months. I am not concerned about buying one and the value dropping because of this issue but I am concern about spending a significant amount of money for a signed piece and finding it is a fake.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2007 16:07:32 GMT 1, I wouldnt be surprised if the 25-100 prints mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg, greed by it's very nature does not have limits IMO. I saw stacks of long since sold out prints very recently, and i don't mean a dozen or so to take care of damages!!
Even with my very limited knowledge, i found it very strange given the amount of prints in the stack. I would bet good money those stacks are slightly smaller now.
Something really stinks with this, and my gut feeling is someone is desperate to find a scapegoat, can only hope everyone involved is found and dealt with accordingly
I wouldnt be surprised if the 25-100 prints mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg, greed by it's very nature does not have limits IMO. I saw stacks of long since sold out prints very recently, and i don't mean a dozen or so to take care of damages!!
Even with my very limited knowledge, i found it very strange given the amount of prints in the stack. I would bet good money those stacks are slightly smaller now.
Something really stinks with this, and my gut feeling is someone is desperate to find a scapegoat, can only hope everyone involved is found and dealt with accordingly
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To me it sound like someone has heard a rumor, and put two and two together 
