paulah
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by paulah on Sept 25, 2007 16:11:40 GMT 1, why would laz and banksy provide quotes to the paper like they did if this was just a rumour? they wouldn't have released statements through their lawyers until the whole thing had been checked out. the whole process of dialogue between the journalists, those that have given them material and the artist/gallerist/accused individuals, will have been going on for a good few weeks already, it's not just some spur of the moment slur.
I agree with Sorl on this - there's no point speculating about a lot of the detail - but POW/Laz did issue a statement confirming unauthorised prints had been sold on ebay = so it can't just be sour grapes from an individual making it up IMO
why would laz and banksy provide quotes to the paper like they did if this was just a rumour? they wouldn't have released statements through their lawyers until the whole thing had been checked out. the whole process of dialogue between the journalists, those that have given them material and the artist/gallerist/accused individuals, will have been going on for a good few weeks already, it's not just some spur of the moment slur. I agree with Sorl on this - there's no point speculating about a lot of the detail - but POW/Laz did issue a statement confirming unauthorised prints had been sold on ebay = so it can't just be sour grapes from an individual making it up IMO |
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sham69
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sham69 on Sept 25, 2007 16:13:13 GMT 1, curiousgeorge
well said.
It takes me back to a former life in corporate world. We had a similar incidence in that a member of staff had their fingers in the till. While the upper echelons had known it had been going on for some time the statement was made that 'anyone can make a mistake once and they might never do it again' but 'once you've done it twice/thrice etc . . . you will keep on doing it until you get caught'.
Needless to say it only came to light when the said individual got caught.
This POW thing has been going on for over 12 months. I'd be very surprised if the whole story comes out at all.
curiousgeorge
well said.
It takes me back to a former life in corporate world. We had a similar incidence in that a member of staff had their fingers in the till. While the upper echelons had known it had been going on for some time the statement was made that 'anyone can make a mistake once and they might never do it again' but 'once you've done it twice/thrice etc . . . you will keep on doing it until you get caught'.
Needless to say it only came to light when the said individual got caught.
This POW thing has been going on for over 12 months. I'd be very surprised if the whole story comes out at all.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by carlito on Sept 25, 2007 16:17:14 GMT 1, on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me...
on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me...
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2007 16:18:35 GMT 1, on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me...
 <runs to check the print i bought from Carlo 
on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me... <runs to check the print i bought from Carlo |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by carlito on Sept 25, 2007 16:19:59 GMT 1, on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me... <runs to check the print i bought from Carlo
busted! 
on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me... <runs to check the print i bought from Carlo busted! |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by becksaboo on Sept 25, 2007 16:21:27 GMT 1, so if you bought direct from pow all the prints are ok then?
so if you bought direct from pow all the prints are ok then?
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by buffin on Sept 25, 2007 16:22:58 GMT 1, Wonder how many of the LA prints have disappeared if they have been left lying around for the last 12 months or so?
Wonder how many of the LA prints have disappeared if they have been left lying around for the last 12 months or so?
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pw
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by pw on Sept 25, 2007 16:27:16 GMT 1, on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me...
i think it was only a matter of time before something like this happened but I'm very surprised that staff were involved.
the key to this is access to the print registration database, and i would have assumed that it was only accessible by a very limited and trusted few. but i guess with the amount of money involved noone can be trusted...
on a slightly different tact..but is anyone surprised this has happened...? Maybe I'm just criminally minded but I'd long questioned certain practices and the very existence of backdoor prints has always worried me... i think it was only a matter of time before something like this happened but I'm very surprised that staff were involved. the key to this is access to the print registration database, and i would have assumed that it was only accessible by a very limited and trusted few. but i guess with the amount of money involved noone can be trusted... |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by arcam on Sept 25, 2007 16:28:30 GMT 1, so if you bought direct from pow all the prints are ok then?
Yes.
so if you bought direct from pow all the prints are ok then? Yes. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by sausageboonwee on Sept 25, 2007 16:28:39 GMT 1, Regarding taking edition numbers so seriously, on two seperate occasions I have been sent my prints then had the same prints with the same numbers sent to me a few days later. On both occasions I sent them back and outlined the seriousness of breaking the edition number and how it undermined everything they were doing. I mentioned this on the forum at the time and many other people had experienced the same. As a thank you for my breathtaking honesty and the cost involved in sending the prints back I was rewarded with a beautiful set of stickers that I have cherished to this day.
Regarding taking edition numbers so seriously, on two seperate occasions I have been sent my prints then had the same prints with the same numbers sent to me a few days later. On both occasions I sent them back and outlined the seriousness of breaking the edition number and how it undermined everything they were doing. I mentioned this on the forum at the time and many other people had experienced the same. As a thank you for my breathtaking honesty and the cost involved in sending the prints back I was rewarded with a beautiful set of stickers that I have cherished to this day.
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Macdeee
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Macdeee on Sept 25, 2007 16:30:30 GMT 1, What about buying and trading on this forum? Surely its even easier for POW employees or ex employees or friends to flog unsigned prints... Right?
What about buying and trading on this forum? Surely its even easier for POW employees or ex employees or friends to flog unsigned prints... Right?
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 16:33:36 GMT 1, Wonder how many of the LA prints have disappeared if they have been left lying around for the last 12 months or so?
;D ;D It appears all of the Sale Ends, Festival, and Trolley Hunters have, maybe that's why we're still waiting for them ;D ;D ;D
Wonder how many of the LA prints have disappeared if they have been left lying around for the last 12 months or so? ;D ;D It appears all of the Sale Ends, Festival, and Trolley Hunters have, maybe that's why we're still waiting for them ;D ;D ;D |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by curiousgeorge on Sept 25, 2007 16:37:01 GMT 1, What happened to the 4 framed prints that were listed on ebay recently at BIN £200??
Not casting doubts on the seller, but they were to be re-listed due to mistake in the listing??
What happened to the 4 framed prints that were listed on ebay recently at BIN £200??
Not casting doubts on the seller, but they were to be re-listed due to mistake in the listing??
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 16:50:38 GMT 1, I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow.
She ought to be meeting with William Oliver and Cristina Ruiz (the writers of the original story) Charlotte Higgins is just quoting from the original story and has no more knowledge about it than we do (unless she's the same person going under a different name)
I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow. She ought to be meeting with William Oliver and Cristina Ruiz (the writers of the original story) Charlotte Higgins is just quoting from the original story and has no more knowledge about it than we do (unless she's the same person going under a different name) |
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Richard
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Richard on Sept 25, 2007 16:52:48 GMT 1, Quoting POW updated site - (sorry if it has already been posted!)
WHO CAN YOU TRUST?
The manufacture and sale of prints on POW is in fact an extremely accountable process. All screen prints are produced in-house under secure conditions and strictly to the edition number stated. The personal details of every purchaser are recorded on a database which is used to discourage 'flipping' and to provide provenance to interested parties on future generations of sale. We have deliberately not increased the sale price of work by popular artists out of some vague sense of loyalty to the average joe and we make every effort to ensure our security systems are entirely comprehensive and reliable.
LOL - Afterall...they are not cowboys...
Quoting POW updated site - (sorry if it has already been posted!)
WHO CAN YOU TRUST?
The manufacture and sale of prints on POW is in fact an extremely accountable process. All screen prints are produced in-house under secure conditions and strictly to the edition number stated. The personal details of every purchaser are recorded on a database which is used to discourage 'flipping' and to provide provenance to interested parties on future generations of sale. We have deliberately not increased the sale price of work by popular artists out of some vague sense of loyalty to the average joe and we make every effort to ensure our security systems are entirely comprehensive and reliable.
LOL - Afterall...they are not cowboys...
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Daniel Silk on Sept 25, 2007 16:56:47 GMT 1, I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow. She ought to be meeting with William Oliver and Cristina Ruiz (the writers of the original story) Charlotte Higgins is just quoting from the original story and has no more knowledge about it than we do (unless she's the same person going under a different name)
Steph said she would try to get on here tomorrow to update us on whats going on ;D
I have just had a chat with Steph and she assures me that she is not involved in any way with what the Guardian are trying to imply, and she will be having a meeting with Charlotte Higgins (The Guardian) tomorrow. She ought to be meeting with William Oliver and Cristina Ruiz (the writers of the original story) Charlotte Higgins is just quoting from the original story and has no more knowledge about it than we do (unless she's the same person going under a different name) Steph said she would try to get on here tomorrow to update us on whats going on ;D |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Jamesy Wamesy on Sept 25, 2007 17:04:13 GMT 1, With all this happening it is crazy to think Lazinc would not give us provenence for the lastest Micallef Prints...
With all this happening it is crazy to think Lazinc would not give us provenence for the lastest Micallef Prints...
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GD303uk
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by GD303uk on Sept 25, 2007 17:11:25 GMT 1, What happened to the 4 framed prints that were listed on ebay recently at BIN £200?? Not casting doubts on the seller, but they were to be re-listed due to mistake in the listing??
they where relisted and i won the applause
and was beat by a forum member for the napalm,
the seller is a honest person.
i trust him anyway, he did have a couple of back door prints(purchased from back door brummy) but he said they where so everything was up front,
he wouldnt have anything to do with this story tho'.
What happened to the 4 framed prints that were listed on ebay recently at BIN £200?? Not casting doubts on the seller, but they were to be re-listed due to mistake in the listing?? they where relisted and i won the applause and was beat by a forum member for the napalm, the seller is a honest person. i trust him anyway, he did have a couple of back door prints(purchased from back door brummy) but he said they where so everything was up front, he wouldnt have anything to do with this story tho'. |
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cru5tee
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by cru5tee on Sept 25, 2007 17:18:52 GMT 1, There's sooooooooo much money to be made it's not surprising... i mean let's just look at the last micalef release + last 2 banksy's plus the faile NY show etc etc.....
we are talking millions for a few. Not surprised some pissed off employee has tucked in.
There's sooooooooo much money to be made it's not surprising... i mean let's just look at the last micalef release + last 2 banksy's plus the faile NY show etc etc.....
we are talking millions for a few. Not surprised some pissed off employee has tucked in.
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bonesy
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by bonesy on Sept 25, 2007 17:24:35 GMT 1,
Another perfect example of how unorganized they are. You print 350, ya number 350 then and there. They have brought all this on themselves.
Another perfect example of how unorganized they are. You print 350, ya number 350 then and there. They have brought all this on themselves.
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by Vsix on Sept 25, 2007 17:41:54 GMT 1, this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen.
It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only 
I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!!
this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen. It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!! |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by trebor on Sept 25, 2007 18:17:33 GMT 1, this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen. It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!!
POW IS LAZINC its all the same!
this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen. It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!! POW IS LAZINC its all the same! |
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CR
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by CR on Sept 25, 2007 18:19:57 GMT 1, this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen. It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!! POW IS LAZINC its all the same!
I think his point was that he might want an excuse to sell them through LAZ instead of POW.
We all know they sleep in the same bed, but LAZ will charge you a hell of a lot more money for the same action!!
CR
this is all starting to sound suspicious, I'm just wondering if its all a smokescreen. It now gives Banksy/Lazarides a legitimate reason not to sell any further prints through POW and make the rest of the LA prints available through Lazinc only I just hope it does not pan out like this and POW have an agreement to sell all the LA prints!! POW IS LAZINC its all the same! I think his point was that he might want an excuse to sell them through LAZ instead of POW. We all know they sleep in the same bed, but LAZ will charge you a hell of a lot more money for the same action!! CR |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by ala399 on Sept 25, 2007 18:40:16 GMT 1, F**king hell. I didn't see that coming. Explanations need to be given and soon. Fortunately it doesn't effect me but some people will be very upset. Maybe from now Banksy will sell through Laz, and then everybody loses.
POW = LAZ
F**king hell. I didn't see that coming. Explanations need to be given and soon. Fortunately it doesn't effect me but some people will be very upset. Maybe from now Banksy will sell through Laz, and then everybody loses. POW = LAZ |
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cityman
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by cityman on Sept 25, 2007 18:59:31 GMT 1, i think there a lot of conclusions being jumped to.
if this proves true, those involved will no doubt be charged by the Police for fraud - i suspect that a custodial sentence would follow if the volume as reported is correct. taking an average price over the last 12 months, you're talking about £50-75,000.
i personally don't believe that many prints have been sold directly through ebay, especially as edition numbers are so public and someone may have highlighted a duplicate before now if the volumes are to be believed. the concern i have is since the advent of POW's attempt to curb flipping, sellers no longer list the edition number therefore future sales would be reproduced etc without a instantly noticing.
one aspect has to be the 'odd' numbering on prints, some being out of 150, others out of 750 and both in some cases - this wwas always going to bite POW, but thankfully this reported case is about fraud and taking money based around a 'lie'.
whoever did it is f**ked - and i'm sure POW will recover from this and carry on releasing more prints. this should NOT affect future sales and as long as POW comply with those who investigate then all will be well.
stay positive!
i think there a lot of conclusions being jumped to.
if this proves true, those involved will no doubt be charged by the Police for fraud - i suspect that a custodial sentence would follow if the volume as reported is correct. taking an average price over the last 12 months, you're talking about £50-75,000.
i personally don't believe that many prints have been sold directly through ebay, especially as edition numbers are so public and someone may have highlighted a duplicate before now if the volumes are to be believed. the concern i have is since the advent of POW's attempt to curb flipping, sellers no longer list the edition number therefore future sales would be reproduced etc without a instantly noticing.
one aspect has to be the 'odd' numbering on prints, some being out of 150, others out of 750 and both in some cases - this wwas always going to bite POW, but thankfully this reported case is about fraud and taking money based around a 'lie'.
whoever did it is f**ked - and i'm sure POW will recover from this and carry on releasing more prints. this should NOT affect future sales and as long as POW comply with those who investigate then all will be well.
stay positive!
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by arcam on Sept 25, 2007 19:36:03 GMT 1, whoever did it is f**ked - and i'm sure POW will recover from this and carry on releasing more prints. this should NOT affect future sales and as long as POW comply with those who investigate then all will be well. stay positive!
I think if they play their cards right they could come out of this in a stronger position. I also think prices of Banksy prints could potentially rise as there could be less on sale.
whoever did it is f**ked - and i'm sure POW will recover from this and carry on releasing more prints. this should NOT affect future sales and as long as POW comply with those who investigate then all will be well. stay positive! I think if they play their cards right they could come out of this in a stronger position. I also think prices of Banksy prints could potentially rise as there could be less on sale. |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by carl on Sept 25, 2007 19:42:07 GMT 1, This would make quite a good film. ;D
This would make quite a good film. ;D
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 19:48:54 GMT 1,
or more correctly
LAZ = 18% of POW
J Hewlett = 67% of POW
S Parkin = 10% of POW
B Hudd = 5% of POW
or more correctly LAZ = 18% of POW J Hewlett = 67% of POW S Parkin = 10% of POW B Hudd = 5% of POW |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by bobbyt23 on Sept 25, 2007 19:51:29 GMT 1, or more correctly LAZ = 18% of POW J Hewlett = 67% of POW S Parkin = 10% of POW B Hudd = 5% of POW
Is that Jamie Hewlett the artist? Is he one of the founders of POW then? Didn't realise that if so...
or more correctly LAZ = 18% of POW J Hewlett = 67% of POW S Parkin = 10% of POW B Hudd = 5% of POW Is that Jamie Hewlett the artist? Is he one of the founders of POW then? Didn't realise that if so... |
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Guardian article on POW Scandal, by corblimeylimey on Sept 25, 2007 20:12:49 GMT 1, or more correctly LAZ = 18% of POW J Hewlett = 67% of POW S Parkin = 10% of POW B Hudd = 5% of POW Is that Jamie Hewlett the artist? Is he one of the founders of POW then? Didn't realise that if so...
Yes that's right.
or more correctly LAZ = 18% of POW J Hewlett = 67% of POW S Parkin = 10% of POW B Hudd = 5% of POW Is that Jamie Hewlett the artist? Is he one of the founders of POW then? Didn't realise that if so... Yes that's right. |
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