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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 16:00:07 GMT 1, thank you for that, like to have everything clean so little smudge would really annoy me... fantastic response from alot of people on the forum... thank you heavy consumer also for the link to the other thread alot of information there to go through.
thank you all...s
thank you for that, like to have everything clean so little smudge would really annoy me... fantastic response from alot of people on the forum... thank you heavy consumer also for the link to the other thread alot of information there to go through.
thank you all...s
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by jonpud on Apr 29, 2008 16:08:27 GMT 1, Without any hesitation I would use Anti reflection U/V glass if you really want to show all the detail in your print. It is expensive but on certain prints it is well worth the money, it's allmost as if there is no glass there! If you go to your local framers they should be able to show you the glass side by side with ordinary glass, you will be able to see the difference for yourself!
Both of the following were 'glazed' with Anti Reflection White Water u?v, photo's don't really give the true effect, however you can see the effect on the 21stCL by the minimal reflection of my camera flash (small purple dot) I would never have been able to take this photo full on with ordinary glass!
Without any hesitation I would use Anti reflection U/V glass if you really want to show all the detail in your print. It is expensive but on certain prints it is well worth the money, it's allmost as if there is no glass there! If you go to your local framers they should be able to show you the glass side by side with ordinary glass, you will be able to see the difference for yourself! Both of the following were 'glazed' with Anti Reflection White Water u?v, photo's don't really give the true effect, however you can see the effect on the 21stCL by the minimal reflection of my camera flash (small purple dot) I would never have been able to take this photo full on with ordinary glass! |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 16:15:35 GMT 1, thank you PUD looks very nice i must say... i think your right about going into framers and seeing side by side... i think what you said about he flash of your camera really impressed me as i have so many times before tried to take pictures and the flash just bounces off the glass... so many different types of glass was little surprised but so nice to see examples from other forum members and advice about cleaning the glass also... s
thank you PUD looks very nice i must say... i think your right about going into framers and seeing side by side... i think what you said about he flash of your camera really impressed me as i have so many times before tried to take pictures and the flash just bounces off the glass... so many different types of glass was little surprised but so nice to see examples from other forum members and advice about cleaning the glass also... s
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on Apr 29, 2008 17:59:18 GMT 1, 
That might give you a rough idea, I've got bunches of off-cuts of various brands.Soon i hope knock up some standard a4 frames and use 6 different types/brands of glass in each frame to give people a better idea of what each glass can look like.
Watch this space 
That might give you a rough idea, I've got bunches of off-cuts of various brands.Soon i hope knock up some standard a4 frames and use 6 different types/brands of glass in each frame to give people a better idea of what each glass can look like. Watch this space |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by funster on Apr 29, 2008 18:02:25 GMT 1, I've only given two of my prints the pleasure of Museum quality glass, but if I had no financial limitations I'd use it every time. IMO it's in a different class... of glass 
I've only given two of my prints the pleasure of Museum quality glass, but if I had no financial limitations I'd use it every time. IMO it's in a different class... of glass |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 18:08:02 GMT 1, cg - that looks really great... look forward to seeing the a4 frames once ready can see difference from the photo but guess nothing compares to actually seeing it... ...s
cg - that looks really great... look forward to seeing the a4 frames once ready can see difference from the photo but guess nothing compares to actually seeing it... ...s
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by robotoil on Apr 29, 2008 19:03:24 GMT 1, curiousgeorge, Can you add a link to a high res shot? The photo here doesn't give your effort its due. Thanks.
curiousgeorge, Can you add a link to a high res shot? The photo here doesn't give your effort its due. Thanks.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Karl Read on Apr 30, 2008 15:08:54 GMT 1, I just had the glass replaced for my frame! ยฃ6!!!!!! That's pretty good i reckon! Thought it would of been more! The guy reckons up to 40 for the UV glass but i didnt bother!
I just had the glass replaced for my frame! ยฃ6!!!!!! That's pretty good i reckon! Thought it would of been more! The guy reckons up to 40 for the UV glass but i didnt bother!
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by funyoung on Apr 30, 2008 17:50:35 GMT 1, Good work fella.
Acrylic and perspex are pretty much same thing as far as I'm aware.
Assume you had it done by a glass shop for that price?
Good work fella.
Acrylic and perspex are pretty much same thing as far as I'm aware.
Assume you had it done by a glass shop for that price?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 19:11:03 GMT 1, I got some prints recently and was wondering whether or not they are worth the extra expense of getting UV glass. They are Evan Hecox/Shepard Fairey prints that only cost around ยฃ75 each.
All my Banksy's are UV framed as I don't want to risk them fading but I am getting conflicting advice from different framers. One framer said it is not worth the extra expense unless they are going to be hanging in direct sunlight all day every day (they are not). Another said that even normal light will damage prints unless your curtains are permanently drawn. Someone even said that UV glass doesn't make a massive amount of difference and prints will always fade no matter what!
Most of my cheaper prints (up to value of ยฃ250) just have normal glass in them and I don't fancy the cost of getting them replaced.....
Anbody got any wise words? 
I got some prints recently and was wondering whether or not they are worth the extra expense of getting UV glass. They are Evan Hecox/Shepard Fairey prints that only cost around ยฃ75 each. All my Banksy's are UV framed as I don't want to risk them fading but I am getting conflicting advice from different framers. One framer said it is not worth the extra expense unless they are going to be hanging in direct sunlight all day every day (they are not). Another said that even normal light will damage prints unless your curtains are permanently drawn. Someone even said that UV glass doesn't make a massive amount of difference and prints will always fade no matter what! Most of my cheaper prints (up to value of ยฃ250) just have normal glass in them and I don't fancy the cost of getting them replaced..... Anbody got any wise words? |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by daley on May 8, 2008 19:53:51 GMT 1, I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading.
Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight.
I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading.
Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight.
I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 20:16:14 GMT 1, I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading. Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
Cheers.
Just realised there is a thread on this subject in the framing section
I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading. Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight. Cheers. Just realised there is a thread on this subject in the framing section |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on May 8, 2008 21:34:27 GMT 1, For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance.
I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass
For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 21:56:08 GMT 1, For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass
I think I have just joined your OCD club. I just got a quote to get my old prints upgraded to new glass! ha ha.
For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass I think I have just joined your OCD club. I just got a quote to get my old prints upgraded to new glass! ha ha. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by angryboy on May 8, 2008 22:04:07 GMT 1, Last time I got a print framed the framer pretty much refused to put UV glass in, just wouldn't take the extra money of me. Said it was completely OTT, looked crap and he only used it if he really had to, the print was going to be in direct sun or lit with bright spotlights facing straight on to it. Said his opinion is the same when he's framing Hockney and Warhol pieces for museums.
Last time I got a print framed the framer pretty much refused to put UV glass in, just wouldn't take the extra money of me. Said it was completely OTT, looked crap and he only used it if he really had to, the print was going to be in direct sun or lit with bright spotlights facing straight on to it. Said his opinion is the same when he's framing Hockney and Warhol pieces for museums.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Tiki on Jul 10, 2008 13:44:09 GMT 1, Can anyone direct me to the reasons to why people use this rather than standard glass when framing there prints. I really dont understand it! surely if you want to maintain a print and keep it from dulling the best thing to use is regular glass as it is reflective and stops the print absorbing the light as apposed to non reflective which does the exact opposite? Anyone?
Can anyone direct me to the reasons to why people use this rather than standard glass when framing there prints. I really dont understand it! surely if you want to maintain a print and keep it from dulling the best thing to use is regular glass as it is reflective and stops the print absorbing the light as apposed to non reflective which does the exact opposite? Anyone?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by bert on Jul 10, 2008 13:51:23 GMT 1, It's to make viewing the print more appealing - you won't get light reflecting off the glass when looking at it which can affect your view of the print. For example, trying to look at a computer monitor next to a sunny window is harder than if the lights in the room are dulled.
It's to make viewing the print more appealing - you won't get light reflecting off the glass when looking at it which can affect your view of the print. For example, trying to look at a computer monitor next to a sunny window is harder than if the lights in the room are dulled.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by spirit on Jul 10, 2008 13:51:43 GMT 1, You seem to be mixing up 2 different things here
Non reflective glass stop reflections, therefore (in theory) you see the image more clearly because you are not seeing everything in the surrounding environment reflected in the glass. In practice, cheaper non reflective glass achieves it's non reflectivity by actually being slightly textured so although it does not reflect light it is not as clear as normal glass. If you want both non reflectivity and clarity then you need Museum glass but this is very expensive.
If you want to ensure that your print is not damaged by light then you need UV glass, not non reflective glass (which is chosen for aesthetic purposes as described above). UV glass prevents most of the damaging/bleaching UV spectrum light from reaching the print and therefore preserves it.
You seem to be mixing up 2 different things here
Non reflective glass stop reflections, therefore (in theory) you see the image more clearly because you are not seeing everything in the surrounding environment reflected in the glass. In practice, cheaper non reflective glass achieves it's non reflectivity by actually being slightly textured so although it does not reflect light it is not as clear as normal glass. If you want both non reflectivity and clarity then you need Museum glass but this is very expensive.
If you want to ensure that your print is not damaged by light then you need UV glass, not non reflective glass (which is chosen for aesthetic purposes as described above). UV glass prevents most of the damaging/bleaching UV spectrum light from reaching the print and therefore preserves it.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by rosstierney on Jul 10, 2008 13:56:57 GMT 1, therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Tiki on Jul 10, 2008 14:21:13 GMT 1, good info cheers for that guys.
good info cheers for that guys.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by grantb on Jul 10, 2008 14:28:32 GMT 1, therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
what i used for my lifes too short, had to really otherwise that would reflect everything possible.
therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum what i used for my lifes too short, had to really otherwise that would reflect everything possible. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by jonpud on Jul 10, 2008 15:34:56 GMT 1, It is also called 'whitewater' glass, I beleive it is produced without the lead content which is the product in glass making that causes reflection.
If you go to a 'good' framers they should have samples of ordinary and nonreflective glass in a small frame, when laid on your print the effects are unbeleivable, you can see the ordinary glass but you feel as though you can reach through and touch the print where the non reflective is!
When you add a uv filter to the non reflective, you actually cause it to reflect very slightly, reflected light becomes purple and green, those who wear glasses and pay extra for the anti glare coating will know what I mean!!
It is also called 'whitewater' glass, I beleive it is produced without the lead content which is the product in glass making that causes reflection.
If you go to a 'good' framers they should have samples of ordinary and nonreflective glass in a small frame, when laid on your print the effects are unbeleivable, you can see the ordinary glass but you feel as though you can reach through and touch the print where the non reflective is!
When you add a uv filter to the non reflective, you actually cause it to reflect very slightly, reflected light becomes purple and green, those who wear glasses and pay extra for the anti glare coating will know what I mean!!
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on Jul 10, 2008 15:52:08 GMT 1, Non reflective is etched, thus you lose clarity with it
It's Museum glass that gives the 'oh my god where is the glass' effect
IMO use non reflective for stuff that is in direct light or prints that dont have fine detail.
Non reflective is etched, thus you lose clarity with it
It's Museum glass that gives the 'oh my god where is the glass' effect
IMO use non reflective for stuff that is in direct light or prints that dont have fine detail.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by robotoil on Jul 10, 2008 16:34:46 GMT 1, I use museum glass when the pieces aren't too large. The glass is expensive and can double the price of framing in some cases. But, it's well worth it if you can manage.
I use museum glass when the pieces aren't too large. The glass is expensive and can double the price of framing in some cases. But, it's well worth it if you can manage.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Standard on Oct 8, 2008 19:20:31 GMT 1, I have recently asked for approx a dozen framers for quotes on getting a (large frame conservation float mount thick ornate frame) job with museum UV glass with one wild quote asking for over ยฃ650, many around the ยฃ500 mark and a few down as low as ยฃ300. Needless to say I have gone for a good quote but have now been thrown a curve ball by the framer.
They have a new conservation glass UV called Mirorguard plus which they say is remarkable as you can not see the glass at all. It's around 84% against the museum 98% UV protection but they say is amazingly clear. It's around ยฃ290 against ยฃ340 on the Museum and I'm not sure what to go for. (It's for a denning original on paper) They claim this is clearer than the museum.
Has anyone seen this mirrorguard glass, purchased it?
For anyone interested .... the cheap end of the quotes where from (london and south):
framers (wimbledon - actually the cheapest by ยฃ40 but too late as I had already made arrangements)
arch one
otterspool studio
and fish frames (who I have gone for as they are very close by)
mr frameman was not bad but didn't get back to me on the final sizing
I have recently asked for approx a dozen framers for quotes on getting a (large frame conservation float mount thick ornate frame) job with museum UV glass with one wild quote asking for over ยฃ650, many around the ยฃ500 mark and a few down as low as ยฃ300. Needless to say I have gone for a good quote but have now been thrown a curve ball by the framer.
They have a new conservation glass UV called Mirorguard plus which they say is remarkable as you can not see the glass at all. It's around 84% against the museum 98% UV protection but they say is amazingly clear. It's around ยฃ290 against ยฃ340 on the Museum and I'm not sure what to go for. (It's for a denning original on paper) They claim this is clearer than the museum.
Has anyone seen this mirrorguard glass, purchased it?
For anyone interested .... the cheap end of the quotes where from (london and south):
framers (wimbledon - actually the cheapest by ยฃ40 but too late as I had already made arrangements)
arch one
otterspool studio
and fish frames (who I have gone for as they are very close by)
mr frameman was not bad but didn't get back to me on the final sizing
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Standard on Oct 23, 2008 13:59:31 GMT 1, does anyone know of any UK suppliers that sell glass direct to the gen public? I have tried a few trade places but won't supply. Any help would be appreciated.
does anyone know of any UK suppliers that sell glass direct to the gen public? I have tried a few trade places but won't supply. Any help would be appreciated.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by weaver on Oct 23, 2008 14:03:07 GMT 1, does anyone know of any UK suppliers that sell glass direct to the gen public? I have tried a few trade places but won't supply. Any help would be appreciated.
Suppliers tend to concentrate on shops / businesses as they are a regular user and a credit chain can be establishedBoth of my main framers go through several hundred sheets of glass per quarter.
does anyone know of any UK suppliers that sell glass direct to the gen public? I have tried a few trade places but won't supply. Any help would be appreciated. unless your buying several sheets its not usually worth it, might be worth buying direct from a small / friendly framers, it wont be at wholesale, but it will be cheaper than glazing individual pieces. Suppliers tend to concentrate on shops / businesses as they are a regular user and a credit chain can be establishedBoth of my main framers go through several hundred sheets of glass per quarter. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by chrisps303 on Oct 23, 2008 16:39:20 GMT 1, Try your local glass supplier, the glass supplier i deal with at work can supply 3mm glass for frames.
Im not sure what type they will have but might be worth giving them a call.
Try your local glass supplier, the glass supplier i deal with at work can supply 3mm glass for frames.
Im not sure what type they will have but might be worth giving them a call.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by katlazy08 on Feb 4, 2009 11:49:53 GMT 1, I've framed this screenprint about 20 years ago and it is right against the glass, no spacers, hadn't even heard of them then. It hasn't faded at all.
The problem isn't fading, it's that your print may stick to the glass. When you come to re-frame it you may (or may not) have a nasty surprise.
It doesn't happen always, but when it does, your print is completely ruined.
- Light will fade the print (prevent this using UV filter glass & keep out of direct sunlight)
- Acid will burn paper - leaving a nicotine style stain (prevent this using acid free backing, tape and mount card)
- Moisture will ripple the print (and aid print sticking to the glass)
If you need a budget solution - then get a ready made frame that has an aperture roughly 6" wider and taller than your print.
Ask your local framer to cut a piece of backing board and a double/triple mount to fit the print to the frame. And fit it yourself if you have the gear.
A mount isn't expensive, and it makes a huge difference.
The spaced idea is nice too... but fiddly if you're doing it yourself.
I've framed this screenprint about 20 years ago and it is right against the glass, no spacers, hadn't even heard of them then. It hasn't faded at all. The problem isn't fading, it's that your print may stick to the glass. When you come to re-frame it you may (or may not) have a nasty surprise. It doesn't happen always, but when it does, your print is completely ruined. - Light will fade the print (prevent this using UV filter glass & keep out of direct sunlight)
- Acid will burn paper - leaving a nicotine style stain (prevent this using acid free backing, tape and mount card)
- Moisture will ripple the print (and aid print sticking to the glass)
If you need a budget solution - then get a ready made frame that has an aperture roughly 6" wider and taller than your print. Ask your local framer to cut a piece of backing board and a double/triple mount to fit the print to the frame. And fit it yourself if you have the gear. A mount isn't expensive, and it makes a huge difference. The spaced idea is nice too... but fiddly if you're doing it yourself. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by sfield on Jan 19, 2010 14:44:21 GMT 1, Hi, I'm in discussions with my framer about the glass to use to frame my Parla WTL print. Because of it's size (over 1m square), my framer has suggested that the Tru vue Museum Glass should not be used as this is not thick enough and might crack when transported. He's also warned me against the acrylic version. This leaves me with either just UV protection - 3mm glass, or a anti-reflective Mirogard glass that has a blue-green tint (which I don't want!).
I'd be very grateful for any advise, not sure what to do!
Many thanks.
Hi, I'm in discussions with my framer about the glass to use to frame my Parla WTL print. Because of it's size (over 1m square), my framer has suggested that the Tru vue Museum Glass should not be used as this is not thick enough and might crack when transported. He's also warned me against the acrylic version. This leaves me with either just UV protection - 3mm glass, or a anti-reflective Mirogard glass that has a blue-green tint (which I don't want!).
I'd be very grateful for any advise, not sure what to do!
Many thanks.
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