RetroCanvas
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by RetroCanvas on Jan 22, 2006 11:42:50 GMT 1, I'm no pro, but the 'special' ink they use still can fade in direct sunlight.
Printers normaly quote between 80 to 100 years of good colour in 'Gallery' conditions. i.e, no direct sunlight, no damp, no touching/wiping and so on and so forth.
So the best idea is to have it framed, behind glass and hung in a place where sunlight won't hit it throughout the day
I'm no pro, but the 'special' ink they use still can fade in direct sunlight.
Printers normaly quote between 80 to 100 years of good colour in 'Gallery' conditions. i.e, no direct sunlight, no damp, no touching/wiping and so on and so forth.
So the best idea is to have it framed, behind glass and hung in a place where sunlight won't hit it throughout the day
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Honest Jon
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Honest Jon on Jan 27, 2006 13:52:35 GMT 1, I dont put any of my prints in direct sunlight, they would defo fade, I heard u can get stuff to cover the glass and it reflects the sun light, but I dont know where from.
I dont put any of my prints in direct sunlight, they would defo fade, I heard u can get stuff to cover the glass and it reflects the sun light, but I dont know where from.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by jon12w on Jan 31, 2006 11:19:49 GMT 1, Any good framers will offer you a glass that would save biro from fading even but most prints dont need it as glass wll be sufficient to save the colours - or so my framer tells me! :-)
Any good framers will offer you a glass that would save biro from fading even but most prints dont need it as glass wll be sufficient to save the colours - or so my framer tells me! :-)
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by guerillaart on May 5, 2006 18:31:11 GMT 1, No, your print can't be damaged by any acids that there might be in glass. However, it can be damaged by being in direct contact with the glass if moisture were to get into the frame at any time (not actually that unlikely) and cause the print / image to stick to the glass once it dries. The chances of this happening are very minimal but it is always best to keep any screen print away from the glass.
With regards to glass, non-reflective glass will offer you no protection from 'UV' rays - these are what cause prints to fade. The only way to prevent any print from fading over time is to use 'UV'' protective or 'museum' glass.
No, your print can't be damaged by any acids that there might be in glass. However, it can be damaged by being in direct contact with the glass if moisture were to get into the frame at any time (not actually that unlikely) and cause the print / image to stick to the glass once it dries. The chances of this happening are very minimal but it is always best to keep any screen print away from the glass.
With regards to glass, non-reflective glass will offer you no protection from 'UV' rays - these are what cause prints to fade. The only way to prevent any print from fading over time is to use 'UV'' protective or 'museum' glass.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Viva Hate on Dec 13, 2006 15:59:34 GMT 1, Hi,
Just been to a couple of framers for my applause and friendly fire. The first one gave me a price of ยฃ160 for the applause, mounted with glass, but is it best to get UV glass?
OH the friendly fire was quoted at ยฃ83 for mount and frame
The next one, a bit of a shabby place might i add gave me a quote of ยฃ90 to frame the applause.
The smug woman in the shop said UV glass was for picasso originals, museum type art etc...
Whats your views?
Hi,
Just been to a couple of framers for my applause and friendly fire. The first one gave me a price of ยฃ160 for the applause, mounted with glass, but is it best to get UV glass?
OH the friendly fire was quoted at ยฃ83 for mount and frame
The next one, a bit of a shabby place might i add gave me a quote of ยฃ90 to frame the applause.
The smug woman in the shop said UV glass was for picasso originals, museum type art etc...
Whats your views?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by atkuefler on Dec 13, 2006 16:14:44 GMT 1, I put UV antireflective glass on everything I own. I just figure if you are going to do you should just do it right. If you have your print in an area that gets alot of sunlight the UV glass is a must. Prints fade fast if in direct sunlight... What was the price deference between the two?
I put UV antireflective glass on everything I own. I just figure if you are going to do you should just do it right. If you have your print in an area that gets alot of sunlight the UV glass is a must. Prints fade fast if in direct sunlight... What was the price deference between the two?
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rillo
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by rillo on Dec 13, 2006 16:37:30 GMT 1, The smug woman in the shop said UV glass was for picasso originals, museum type art etc... Whats your views?
My view is not to consider giving the smug woman any of your prints to frame. If it is possible that your framed prints will be exposed to direct sunlight once hung you should seriously consider stumping for the UV resistant glass. Museum quality UV resistant glass is also clearer than standard glass giving a noticeable improvement for the extra price paid. I have never thought twice about it, all of my prints are behind either perspex or UV glass.
The smug woman in the shop said UV glass was for picasso originals, museum type art etc... Whats your views? My view is not to consider giving the smug woman any of your prints to frame. If it is possible that your framed prints will be exposed to direct sunlight once hung you should seriously consider stumping for the UV resistant glass. Museum quality UV resistant glass is also clearer than standard glass giving a noticeable improvement for the extra price paid. I have never thought twice about it, all of my prints are behind either perspex or UV glass. |
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Viva Hate
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Viva Hate on Dec 13, 2006 17:14:05 GMT 1,
Thanks for your posts. These are my first ever prints, so i would like the job to be done properly. May i ask how much it was to get your prints framed, mounted with uv glass?
I will go back to the place tomorrow and ask how much it will be with uv glass?
Is using perpex a bad idea?
Thanks for your posts. These are my first ever prints, so i would like the job to be done properly. May i ask how much it was to get your prints framed, mounted with uv glass?
I will go back to the place tomorrow and ask how much it will be with uv glass?
Is using perpex a bad idea?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by atkuefler on Dec 13, 2006 17:34:31 GMT 1, The last print I had framed was a bit more than $500... It looks really good though and I love the print so I put a bit more into it! If you would like to see it I can send you pics.... PM me your email address
The last print I had framed was a bit more than $500... It looks really good though and I love the print so I put a bit more into it! If you would like to see it I can send you pics.... PM me your email address
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by evanharding on Dec 13, 2006 18:17:43 GMT 1, i too have never framed a print. can anyone recommend a good framers in west or central london? need to get an applause done, and want to get it right.
BTW - how much extra is anti reflective glass?
i too have never framed a print. can anyone recommend a good framers in west or central london? need to get an applause done, and want to get it right.
BTW - how much extra is anti reflective glass?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by atkuefler on Dec 13, 2006 18:27:18 GMT 1, for me it was a difference of $30 USD
for me it was a difference of $30 USD
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rillo
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RBK
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by RBK on Dec 13, 2006 18:47:59 GMT 1, Always get the UV glass - it isn't that much more and is worth the extra protection - even if the piece isn't hanging in direct sunlight.
Always get the UV glass - it isn't that much more and is worth the extra protection - even if the piece isn't hanging in direct sunlight.
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Viva Hate
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Viva Hate on Dec 13, 2006 19:17:14 GMT 1,
I also notice that some people put there banksy's in habitat frames, but surely these are not uv protected?
I also notice that some people put there banksy's in habitat frames, but surely these are not uv protected?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Curley on Dec 15, 2006 12:21:48 GMT 1, Try london frame emporium on pancras way. (google it) really nice people, lots of time to help and good suggestions.
My applause was 220 with all acid free mounts and non reflective uv glass. (see get yer banksy's out)
The non reflective glass works really well on Applause due to the nature of the print (its lots of dots).
i'm sure you can get it cheaper but its worth doing it properly.
Try london frame emporium on pancras way. (google it) really nice people, lots of time to help and good suggestions.
My applause was 220 with all acid free mounts and non reflective uv glass. (see get yer banksy's out)
The non reflective glass works really well on Applause due to the nature of the print (its lots of dots).
i'm sure you can get it cheaper but its worth doing it properly.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Run Pig Run on Mar 23, 2007 19:58:16 GMT 1, I put UV antireflective glass on everything I own. I just figure if you are going to do you should just do it right. If you have your print in an area that gets alot of sunlight the UV glass is a must. Prints fade fast if in direct sunlight... What was the price deference between the two?
when i went to the framers last week they tried my prints behind several different types of glass - anti-reflective glass looked absoluty terrible and made the image look faded and dirty and the framers said it was pretty much a joke (in the framing world) It may look ok on mainly white images but not on everything you own.
The best glass was this stuff:
www.ilovemuseumglass.com/aboutmuseumglass.asp
It looked fucking incredible, the framer said that when you handle it looks as though you are in a cartoon as you can't see the glass.
but at well over ยฃ100 for 70x50 peice of glass (yes just the glass) I decided against it, but if i ever get my bombhugger print thats what i'll get.
I put UV antireflective glass on everything I own. I just figure if you are going to do you should just do it right. If you have your print in an area that gets alot of sunlight the UV glass is a must. Prints fade fast if in direct sunlight... What was the price deference between the two? when i went to the framers last week they tried my prints behind several different types of glass - anti-reflective glass looked absoluty terrible and made the image look faded and dirty and the framers said it was pretty much a joke (in the framing world) It may look ok on mainly white images but not on everything you own. The best glass was this stuff: www.ilovemuseumglass.com/aboutmuseumglass.aspIt looked fucking incredible, the framer said that when you handle it looks as though you are in a cartoon as you can't see the glass. but at well over ยฃ100 for 70x50 peice of glass (yes just the glass) I decided against it, but if i ever get my bombhugger print thats what i'll get. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by rkitek on Mar 23, 2007 20:03:53 GMT 1, I'm in the U.S. and most of the framers here that work with the major galleries all recommend UV plexi -- which is more expensive than glass but doesn't break should the art get knocked off the wall.
Just curious why no one has mentioned anything other than glass.
I'm in the U.S. and most of the framers here that work with the major galleries all recommend UV plexi -- which is more expensive than glass but doesn't break should the art get knocked off the wall.
Just curious why no one has mentioned anything other than glass.
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Run Pig Run
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Run Pig Run on Mar 23, 2007 20:18:29 GMT 1, found this on the net.........
Glass
Pros Cons
* More commonly available in a variety of formats, from plain glass to museum quality conservation glass
* UV protection for not much money
* Can break or shatter if dropped or while in transit
* Quite heavy for larger posters
Plexi-glass / Acrylic
Pros Cons
* Weighs less than glass so ideal for framing a larger poster
* Shatter resistant so offers superior protection against damage in transit or at home
* UV protection plexi-glass much more expensive than equivalent protection glass
* Can be difficult to source high quality materials
A lot of people will say that plexi-glass is the only option for framing posters, and that glass should be avoided at all costs. I think this is definatley an over-simplistic view. While plexi-glass has the significant advantage of being shatter resistant, in order to get the same preservation properties as similar specification glass you will have to spend a lot more. In my opinion as long as the frame is well made, and as long as it is securely attached to the wall where you wish to display it, then there shouldn't be any risk of damage to the poster.
Framing posters that are larger than the standard US 1-sheet or UK Quad becomes very difficult unless you use plexi-glass, and UV protection might have to be sacrificed in order to keep the cost of framing down. In that situation then you have to think even more carefully about where your poster will be situated. But as a general rule I would say that whether it is glass or plexi-glass, spend the most that you can on getting the best material that you can afford, as it will keep your collection safe for many years to come.
To give you an idea of cost, a major framing supplier in the UK quoted me ยฃ15 for a 1-sheet sized sheet of UV conservation glass. The equivalent UV plexi-glass from the same manufacturer was ยฃ300!. This sounds rediculous but it's true. It really is THAT expensive for high quality UV acrylic.
found this on the net.........
Glass
Pros Cons
* More commonly available in a variety of formats, from plain glass to museum quality conservation glass
* UV protection for not much money
* Can break or shatter if dropped or while in transit
* Quite heavy for larger posters
Plexi-glass / Acrylic
Pros Cons
* Weighs less than glass so ideal for framing a larger poster
* Shatter resistant so offers superior protection against damage in transit or at home
* UV protection plexi-glass much more expensive than equivalent protection glass
* Can be difficult to source high quality materials
A lot of people will say that plexi-glass is the only option for framing posters, and that glass should be avoided at all costs. I think this is definatley an over-simplistic view. While plexi-glass has the significant advantage of being shatter resistant, in order to get the same preservation properties as similar specification glass you will have to spend a lot more. In my opinion as long as the frame is well made, and as long as it is securely attached to the wall where you wish to display it, then there shouldn't be any risk of damage to the poster.
Framing posters that are larger than the standard US 1-sheet or UK Quad becomes very difficult unless you use plexi-glass, and UV protection might have to be sacrificed in order to keep the cost of framing down. In that situation then you have to think even more carefully about where your poster will be situated. But as a general rule I would say that whether it is glass or plexi-glass, spend the most that you can on getting the best material that you can afford, as it will keep your collection safe for many years to come.
To give you an idea of cost, a major framing supplier in the UK quoted me ยฃ15 for a 1-sheet sized sheet of UV conservation glass. The equivalent UV plexi-glass from the same manufacturer was ยฃ300!. This sounds rediculous but it's true. It really is THAT expensive for high quality UV acrylic.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by monkeypuzzle on Mar 23, 2007 21:10:45 GMT 1, Like others, I have looked into other types of glass ( excuse the pun) the best i have found is clearview glass, meuseum grade and uv resistant. as long as its clean you wouldnt know it was there, but picks up finger prints easily and looks terrible if its not clean. for a banksy size print with acid free mounting and normal frame ( no crazed georgian extravaganzas) comes to about ยฃ175 a go, pricey but worth it. Spoke to the framers about the UV protective plexi, they could get some but it would take several months and require specialist cutting, and its VERY easily scratched as its coated with a thin film that once damaged causes the whole coating to bubble and separate over time, ie not worth the cost and effort.
Like others, I have looked into other types of glass ( excuse the pun) the best i have found is clearview glass, meuseum grade and uv resistant. as long as its clean you wouldnt know it was there, but picks up finger prints easily and looks terrible if its not clean. for a banksy size print with acid free mounting and normal frame ( no crazed georgian extravaganzas) comes to about ยฃ175 a go, pricey but worth it. Spoke to the framers about the UV protective plexi, they could get some but it would take several months and require specialist cutting, and its VERY easily scratched as its coated with a thin film that once damaged causes the whole coating to bubble and separate over time, ie not worth the cost and effort.
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Andy'77
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Andy'77 on Mar 24, 2007 0:11:52 GMT 1, When I took my Judgement Day to be framed, the framer went through a number of glass options. I originally went in with the idea of getting non-reflective glass. The problem is as you don't want the print to touch the glass so there is a gap between the two. With the non-reflective stuff, as the gap gets bigger, you lose definition and the print looks blurred. I was having a spacer and double mount so it would look pretty crap. My framer compared the different types of glass and the non-reflective stuff definitely blurred the print.
The other option he showed me was the museum grade Clear Glass (U.V. Glass) which looked amazing as it reflects a lot less light. I'd have loved to have gone with this but it was gonna add ยฃ100 to the ยฃ150 cost for the frame with normal glass. So knowing that it wouldn't be in direct sunlight I went with the normal glass. In the future if I'm feeling flush, I may retro fit with the Clearview stuff.
When I took my Judgement Day to be framed, the framer went through a number of glass options. I originally went in with the idea of getting non-reflective glass. The problem is as you don't want the print to touch the glass so there is a gap between the two. With the non-reflective stuff, as the gap gets bigger, you lose definition and the print looks blurred. I was having a spacer and double mount so it would look pretty crap. My framer compared the different types of glass and the non-reflective stuff definitely blurred the print.
The other option he showed me was the museum grade Clear Glass (U.V. Glass) which looked amazing as it reflects a lot less light. I'd have loved to have gone with this but it was gonna add ยฃ100 to the ยฃ150 cost for the frame with normal glass. So knowing that it wouldn't be in direct sunlight I went with the normal glass. In the future if I'm feeling flush, I may retro fit with the Clearview stuff.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Octopus UK on Mar 25, 2007 15:34:45 GMT 1, I use two framers, one for run of the mill stuff. Off the peg frames with just custom mounts usually. A second framer I trust more unusual stuff to - custom size frames, double mounts etc.
They usually try and convince me that I should use glass but I prefer perspex. The main reason is that I don't drive and have to get stuff home on the bus! One time, with a glass frame, the glass shattered but, luckily, the print survived.
I am usually changed more for perspex, on the Albino Invader, 500mm by 500mm, the extra was just ยฃ10. If I had gone for UV resistant perspex I would have to pay an extra ยฃ40. Instead of paying this I re-arranged my collection so that it wouldn't get direct sun light.
I use two framers, one for run of the mill stuff. Off the peg frames with just custom mounts usually. A second framer I trust more unusual stuff to - custom size frames, double mounts etc.
They usually try and convince me that I should use glass but I prefer perspex. The main reason is that I don't drive and have to get stuff home on the bus! One time, with a glass frame, the glass shattered but, luckily, the print survived.
I am usually changed more for perspex, on the Albino Invader, 500mm by 500mm, the extra was just ยฃ10. If I had gone for UV resistant perspex I would have to pay an extra ยฃ40. Instead of paying this I re-arranged my collection so that it wouldn't get direct sun light.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by pastiepie on Mar 26, 2007 13:28:18 GMT 1, I get everything done at the local framers to conservation standard. To what this entails I am not exactly sure but I know the prefix "acid-free" as is added to ever component in the frame. For all my framed prints the difference between uv/normal glass has always been below for 50quid.
I figure you only get your prints framed once, and keep them forever. You might as well do it right and have peace of mind.
I get everything done at the local framers to conservation standard. To what this entails I am not exactly sure but I know the prefix "acid-free" as is added to ever component in the frame. For all my framed prints the difference between uv/normal glass has always been below for 50quid.
I figure you only get your prints framed once, and keep them forever. You might as well do it right and have peace of mind.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by themightyreds on Apr 19, 2007 23:06:52 GMT 1, Anyone know if its really not ok to let the print touch the glass of the frame its in, or if it causes any damage at all??
Been looking at getting one of the frames from the 'Get your Banksy's out..' thead that has a J&J (i think) sandwiched between two sheets of glass and wondered if that would affect/harm the print in any way...
Anyone know if its really not ok to let the print touch the glass of the frame its in, or if it causes any damage at all??
Been looking at getting one of the frames from the 'Get your Banksy's out..' thead that has a J&J (i think) sandwiched between two sheets of glass and wondered if that would affect/harm the print in any way...
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by bristolmassive on May 10, 2007 17:29:15 GMT 1, you're not supposed to but I do have a couple of prints in the frames you're talking about (habitat)  They've been in for a couple of months now and I do check them regularly for damage etc but they're fine.
I'm convinced that as long as you keep them away from moisture, a few monitored months against glass isn't going to ruin the print. BTW the habitat frames look superb for the money.
you're not supposed to but I do have a couple of prints in the frames you're talking about (habitat) They've been in for a couple of months now and I do check them regularly for damage etc but they're fine. I'm convinced that as long as you keep them away from moisture, a few monitored months against glass isn't going to ruin the print. BTW the habitat frames look superb for the money. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by pw on May 10, 2007 17:44:05 GMT 1, you're really playing a dangerous game by letting your print touch the glass. 99 times out of 100 you'll be ok, but you'll kick yourself if you happen to be the other 1%.
I think you can get some sort of spacers to put between the glass and frame, resulting in the glass being removed from the print. or you could probably make your own quite easily.
you're really playing a dangerous game by letting your print touch the glass. 99 times out of 100 you'll be ok, but you'll kick yourself if you happen to be the other 1%.
I think you can get some sort of spacers to put between the glass and frame, resulting in the glass being removed from the print. or you could probably make your own quite easily.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by CR on May 10, 2007 17:47:22 GMT 1, I've looked into spacers alot and its never easy!
The lip which the glass lays on is rarley more than 1mm which means you need to get thin wood or a thin mount.
If you go for a mount for a 50x70 print your talking about a mount 1mm thick all the way round, which ends up being really flimsy and hard to fit in the frame without it showing!
I'd love to know how people have managed to do theirs.
CR
I've looked into spacers alot and its never easy!
The lip which the glass lays on is rarley more than 1mm which means you need to get thin wood or a thin mount.
If you go for a mount for a 50x70 print your talking about a mount 1mm thick all the way round, which ends up being really flimsy and hard to fit in the frame without it showing!
I'd love to know how people have managed to do theirs.
CR
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by bristolmassive on May 10, 2007 18:29:45 GMT 1, you're really playing a dangerous game by letting your print touch the glass. 99 times out of 100 you'll be ok, but you'll kick yourself if you happen to be the other 1%. I think you can get some sort of spacers to put between the glass and frame, resulting in the glass being removed from the print. or you could probably make your own quite easily.
agree with you pw - this is only a stop gap while I gather the cash to pro frame my collection. I still reckon short term they'll be no problems. Fingers crossed
CR - just sent you a PM re your message a couple of weeks ago.
you're really playing a dangerous game by letting your print touch the glass. 99 times out of 100 you'll be ok, but you'll kick yourself if you happen to be the other 1%. I think you can get some sort of spacers to put between the glass and frame, resulting in the glass being removed from the print. or you could probably make your own quite easily. agree with you pw - this is only a stop gap while I gather the cash to pro frame my collection. I still reckon short term they'll be no problems. Fingers crossed CR - just sent you a PM re your message a couple of weeks ago. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by carlito on May 11, 2007 11:30:21 GMT 1, anywhere you can buy spacers online?
anywhere you can buy spacers online?
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Run Pig Run
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Run Pig Run on May 11, 2007 16:14:17 GMT 1, just go into a framing shop buy a big bit of mount board and cut it with a sharp knife. thats all a framers will do so why pay them.
just go into a framing shop buy a big bit of mount board and cut it with a sharp knife. thats all a framers will do so why pay them.
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They've been in for a couple of months now and I do check them regularly for damage etc but they're fine. 
