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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 11, 2009 15:12:43 GMT 1, Would be good if someone tried this... but I actually think the only way to reproduce Jose's watercolours is probably Giclee. But you're still talking about reproduction.
And herein lies the heart of the debate imo.
First of all there's virtually no information in that video beyond a few promotional words for the medium. There's a lot more that goes into the process and from what I've read, I have to agree with you that prints made in this way would in and of themselves be works of art. BUT, if what you want to do is recreate an existing image, this seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me, or am I missing something?
I don't think it's correct to assume that everyone does or should feel that the print they buy has been a labour of love. A lot of my favourite prints (both owned and desired) are simply reproductions of some beautiful works by some of my favourite artists and I'm perfectly satisfied with that and still able to derive pleasure from those reproductions on my wall (or imagine doing so, as the case may be). In many cases, were it not for high quality digital printing, these prints would be nigh on impossible to produce, wouldn't they? So there is certainly an argument for giclee as a medium to put otherwise out of reach imagery into the hands of common folk. All the snobbish name-calling aside, what's the problem with that? That a gallery or artist profit from it, or that the same medium is used to churn out posters?
Would be good if someone tried this... but I actually think the only way to reproduce Jose's watercolours is probably Giclee. But you're still talking about reproduction. .... And herein lies the heart of the debate imo. First of all there's virtually no information in that video beyond a few promotional words for the medium. There's a lot more that goes into the process and from what I've read, I have to agree with you that prints made in this way would in and of themselves be works of art. BUT, if what you want to do is recreate an existing image, this seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me, or am I missing something? I don't think it's correct to assume that everyone does or should feel that the print they buy has been a labour of love. A lot of my favourite prints (both owned and desired) are simply reproductions of some beautiful works by some of my favourite artists and I'm perfectly satisfied with that and still able to derive pleasure from those reproductions on my wall (or imagine doing so, as the case may be). In many cases, were it not for high quality digital printing, these prints would be nigh on impossible to produce, wouldn't they? So there is certainly an argument for giclee as a medium to put otherwise out of reach imagery into the hands of common folk. All the snobbish name-calling aside, what's the problem with that? That a gallery or artist profit from it, or that the same medium is used to churn out posters? |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by mutant on Nov 17, 2009 2:59:23 GMT 1, Keep this thread alive. Absolutely heartbroken that I missed this piece that was auctioned off just a few days ago (not the biggest but one of the nicest Parla IMO):
27 X 44 in
I am now really really looking forward to the edition of Parla at Elms.
Keep this thread alive. Absolutely heartbroken that I missed this piece that was auctioned off just a few days ago (not the biggest but one of the nicest Parla IMO): 27 X 44 in I am now really really looking forward to the edition of Parla at Elms. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by jB on Nov 17, 2009 3:10:20 GMT 1, mutant - that WC that was auctioned off was fantastic, really wish I didnt miss that one.
Looking forward to seeing these prints. Bring em on.
mutant - that WC that was auctioned off was fantastic, really wish I didnt miss that one.
Looking forward to seeing these prints. Bring em on.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by snausages on Nov 17, 2009 5:55:31 GMT 1, And herein lies the heart of the debate imo. First of all there's virtually no information in that video beyond a few promotional words for the medium. There's a lot more that goes into the process and from what I've read, I have to agree with you that prints made in this way would in and of themselves be works of art. BUT, if what you want to do is recreate an existing image, this seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me, or am I missing something?
Not even sure where you're coming from but to say, "there's virtually no information in that video?" Sure it skims the surface but it shows how fine art lithography is very far from simply reproducing an image which some people don't seem to get or are aware of.
If all you want to do is recreate an image than giclee or 4 color litho, I don't care. Although I don't understand why you think a Litho is incapable of reproducing a parla? If that's what you're saying. Perhaps a giclee is marginally better? Maybe not depending.
Not sure what snobbery you mean, but check the inventory at Brandywine Workshop, there are many prints for sale there that I'm sure will be much cheaper than the Parla prints from Elms. Making an "original" print isn't an extraordinary financial endeavour. Although making a giclee is certainly easier.
Personally I do put a lot of weight on whether or not the print was a labour of love, if you don't, well fine. And I'm not necessarily knocking the idea of having a reproduction on the wall. And if that's what floats your boat, who am I to tell you what you should like? But I do find this all ironic and a bit disheartening (and it smells of cashing in on hype) that there is so so much to do about "prints" in this genre yet hardly any of the artists and their aficionados know squat about or do not appreciate "printmaking."
And herein lies the heart of the debate imo. First of all there's virtually no information in that video beyond a few promotional words for the medium. There's a lot more that goes into the process and from what I've read, I have to agree with you that prints made in this way would in and of themselves be works of art. BUT, if what you want to do is recreate an existing image, this seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me, or am I missing something? Not even sure where you're coming from but to say, "there's virtually no information in that video?" Sure it skims the surface but it shows how fine art lithography is very far from simply reproducing an image which some people don't seem to get or are aware of. If all you want to do is recreate an image than giclee or 4 color litho, I don't care. Although I don't understand why you think a Litho is incapable of reproducing a parla? If that's what you're saying. Perhaps a giclee is marginally better? Maybe not depending. Not sure what snobbery you mean, but check the inventory at Brandywine Workshop, there are many prints for sale there that I'm sure will be much cheaper than the Parla prints from Elms. Making an "original" print isn't an extraordinary financial endeavour. Although making a giclee is certainly easier. Personally I do put a lot of weight on whether or not the print was a labour of love, if you don't, well fine. And I'm not necessarily knocking the idea of having a reproduction on the wall. And if that's what floats your boat, who am I to tell you what you should like? But I do find this all ironic and a bit disheartening (and it smells of cashing in on hype) that there is so so much to do about "prints" in this genre yet hardly any of the artists and their aficionados know squat about or do not appreciate "printmaking." |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Simococo on Nov 17, 2009 10:49:56 GMT 1, how much did the Parla go for at the McGuiness 50 party?
how much did the Parla go for at the McGuiness 50 party?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by nex on Nov 17, 2009 11:02:04 GMT 1, I was absolutely heartbroken darling when I looked in my wallet and realised I didn't have 30k+ to spunk on Art it was soooo depressing I tell ya!
I was absolutely heartbroken darling when I looked in my wallet and realised I didn't have 30k+ to spunk on Art it was soooo depressing I tell ya!
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by afroken on Nov 17, 2009 11:32:49 GMT 1, Keep this thread alive. Absolutely heartbroken that I missed this piece that was auctioned off just a few days ago (not the biggest but one of the nicest Parla IMO): 27 X 44 in I am now really really looking forward to the edition of Parla at Elms.
I actually think that's one of the ugliest Parla's I've ever seen.
Keep this thread alive. Absolutely heartbroken that I missed this piece that was auctioned off just a few days ago (not the biggest but one of the nicest Parla IMO): 27 X 44 in I am now really really looking forward to the edition of Parla at Elms. I actually think that's one of the ugliest Parla's I've ever seen. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by mutant on Nov 17, 2009 13:49:31 GMT 1, Ha! To each his own, I guess. If this were sold for $30K, I wouldn't be feeling the pain. The problem here is that this piece only went for $7K. I personally think that's a crime. Just my opinion, of course.
Ha! To each his own, I guess. If this were sold for $30K, I wouldn't be feeling the pain. The problem here is that this piece only went for $7K. I personally think that's a crime. Just my opinion, of course.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by stjohn on Nov 17, 2009 15:13:20 GMT 1,
Where was the auction - missed this one..
Where was the auction - missed this one.. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by maadbeats on Nov 17, 2009 17:34:22 GMT 1,
I love this watercolor. The extra caligraphy within it adds so much depth. Top IMO
I love this watercolor. The extra caligraphy within it adds so much depth. Top IMO
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Simococo on Nov 17, 2009 17:41:27 GMT 1, 7k is extraordinarily low
7k is extraordinarily low
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by volvic on Nov 17, 2009 18:29:13 GMT 1, i to think that its pretty unattractive, sure more work has gone into it but the thing that makes the watercolors so beautiful is the flow and the calmness of them, which this has neither.
This auction was a charity auction all work was donated by the artists and the people who attended were pretty VIP or so i was told so the results for this auction should not be reflected on current market value - but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out!
i to think that its pretty unattractive, sure more work has gone into it but the thing that makes the watercolors so beautiful is the flow and the calmness of them, which this has neither.
This auction was a charity auction all work was donated by the artists and the people who attended were pretty VIP or so i was told so the results for this auction should not be reflected on current market value - but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out!
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Francis on Nov 17, 2009 18:42:54 GMT 1, This auction was a charity auction all work was donated by the artists
that is not true
This auction was a charity auction all work was donated by the artists that is not true |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by snausages on Nov 17, 2009 18:51:12 GMT 1, My understanding is it wasn't charity, just an alternate way for artists to sell.
And I agree, that wc is lacking depth, sometimes he gets it but often you stand back 20 ft and it's pretty flat.
And anyone could have left an absentee bid or I think paid for a ticket to attend. So now, a $70k painting at Sothebys was bid to only $40k and this $7k. To be fair those are fine numbers in comparison to many an artist, but his retail prices simply went too far too fast.
This David Ellis sculpture also in the auction is pretty cool, gonna have to try that 
My understanding is it wasn't charity, just an alternate way for artists to sell. And I agree, that wc is lacking depth, sometimes he gets it but often you stand back 20 ft and it's pretty flat. And anyone could have left an absentee bid or I think paid for a ticket to attend. So now, a $70k painting at Sothebys was bid to only $40k and this $7k. To be fair those are fine numbers in comparison to many an artist, but his retail prices simply went too far too fast. This David Ellis sculpture also in the auction is pretty cool, gonna have to try that |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Simococo on Nov 17, 2009 18:54:07 GMT 1, imo 7k reflects the fact not enough people knew about the auction
imo 7k reflects the fact not enough people knew about the auction
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by manty on Nov 17, 2009 18:57:15 GMT 1, I was absolutely heartbroken darling when I looked in my wallet and realised I didn't have 30k+ to spunk on Art it was soooo depressing I tell ya!
I feel your pain man
Still as long as the Veyron is ticking over ok, no need to get too depressed eh
I was absolutely heartbroken darling when I looked in my wallet and realised I didn't have 30k+ to spunk on Art it was soooo depressing I tell ya! I feel your pain man Still as long as the Veyron is ticking over ok, no need to get too depressed eh |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by rkitek on Nov 17, 2009 18:59:55 GMT 1, - but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out!
Actually, at the Futura/Parla show in 2007 the watercolors were £2,000 [66 x 85 cm] and £3,000 [124 x 88 cm]. Mind you, I'm not sure what size the charity auction piece is. Back then, you could get a 24" x 30" mixed media piece on canvas for a whopping £5,500.
- but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out! Actually, at the Futura/Parla show in 2007 the watercolors were £2,000 [66 x 85 cm] and £3,000 [124 x 88 cm]. Mind you, I'm not sure what size the charity auction piece is. Back then, you could get a 24" x 30" mixed media piece on canvas for a whopping £5,500. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by stjohn on Nov 17, 2009 22:29:58 GMT 1, - but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out! Actually, at the Futura/Parla show in 2007 the watercolors were £2,000 [66 x 85 cm] and £3,000 [124 x 88 cm]. Mind you, I'm not sure what size the charity auction piece is. Back then, you could get a 24" x 30" mixed media piece on canvas for a whopping £5,500.
It would be interesting to have a graph of time vs primay prices. They have obvioulsy come down looking at the HK pricing. Wonder what next show will be priced at looking at auction prices (excluding the one above).
- but yes 7k is low, thats less than elms charged when they first came out! Actually, at the Futura/Parla show in 2007 the watercolors were £2,000 [66 x 85 cm] and £3,000 [124 x 88 cm]. Mind you, I'm not sure what size the charity auction piece is. Back then, you could get a 24" x 30" mixed media piece on canvas for a whopping £5,500. It would be interesting to have a graph of time vs primay prices. They have obvioulsy come down looking at the HK pricing. Wonder what next show will be priced at looking at auction prices (excluding the one above). |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by afroken on Nov 17, 2009 23:43:09 GMT 1, These are approximate timeframes, but as far as large watercolours are concerned:
Oct. 07: £3,000+VAT
Feb 08: £4,950+VAT
May 08: c. £5,850+IVA (9,000 Euros total)
Oct 08: £11,500+VAT
Don't know about prices by the time of the HK show.
These are approximate timeframes, but as far as large watercolours are concerned:
Oct. 07: £3,000+VAT
Feb 08: £4,950+VAT
May 08: c. £5,850+IVA (9,000 Euros total)
Oct 08: £11,500+VAT
Don't know about prices by the time of the HK show.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by mose on Nov 18, 2009 0:48:17 GMT 1, These are approximate timeframes, but as far as large watercolours are concerned: Oct. 07: £3,000+VAT Feb 08: £4,950+VAT May 08: c. £5,850+IVA (9,000 Euros total) Oct 08: £11,500+VAT Don't know about prices by the time of the HK show.
HK full-size was $15,000. February 2007 was $2000.
To respond to another post above, I believe the auction was not open to buying tickets or leaving absentee bids. I believe that it wasn't even really an auction, more an auction-themed party.
These are approximate timeframes, but as far as large watercolours are concerned: Oct. 07: £3,000+VAT Feb 08: £4,950+VAT May 08: c. £5,850+IVA (9,000 Euros total) Oct 08: £11,500+VAT Don't know about prices by the time of the HK show. HK full-size was $15,000. February 2007 was $2000. To respond to another post above, I believe the auction was not open to buying tickets or leaving absentee bids. I believe that it wasn't even really an auction, more an auction-themed party. |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by snausages on Nov 18, 2009 5:12:15 GMT 1,
In fact this was publicized on the widely read Art Info front page.
www.artinfo.com/news/story/33207/ryan-mcginness-cuts-out-the-middleman/
Quote: "Interested in attending or bidding? Contact info@50parties.com before 1 p.m. on Friday, November 13."
I'm not 100% positive if they accepted absentee bids, but it was not exclusive, anyone could have registered to attend, you didn't actually need to buy a ticket.
BTW, that David Ellis sculpture ^ went for 10k, they look pretty rad in person, (although I could make my own for about $20 worth of old vinyl) - there were some installed in the lounge at LPR in NYC. Might still be up?
In fact this was publicized on the widely read Art Info front page. www.artinfo.com/news/story/33207/ryan-mcginness-cuts-out-the-middleman/Quote: "Interested in attending or bidding? Contact info@50parties.com before 1 p.m. on Friday, November 13." I'm not 100% positive if they accepted absentee bids, but it was not exclusive, anyone could have registered to attend, you didn't actually need to buy a ticket. BTW, that David Ellis sculpture ^ went for 10k, they look pretty rad in person, (although I could make my own for about $20 worth of old vinyl) - there were some installed in the lounge at LPR in NYC. Might still be up? |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by digitalkid on Nov 24, 2009 11:14:24 GMT 1, Just got my invite in the post this morning. Looks like 3 different prints available! St Giles is my favourite.
Just got my invite in the post this morning. Looks like 3 different prints available! St Giles is my favourite.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by grantb on Nov 24, 2009 11:19:55 GMT 1, pictures?
pictures? |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by digitalkid on Nov 24, 2009 11:20:17 GMT 1, St Giles OG can't find photos of the other two at the moment.. Looks good huh!?
St Giles OG can't find photos of the other two at the moment.. Looks good huh!? |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by digitalkid on Nov 24, 2009 11:21:48 GMT 1, Yes invite comes c/w catalog looks fantastic
Yes invite comes c/w catalog looks fantastic
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by Karl Read on Nov 24, 2009 11:30:06 GMT 1, Do you know edition and prices?
Do you know edition and prices?
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by alexiocowabunga on Nov 24, 2009 11:54:06 GMT 1, Looking forward to this, I hope anyone can come along to the opening to pick these up
Looking forward to this, I hope anyone can come along to the opening to pick these up
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by digitalkid on Nov 24, 2009 12:05:52 GMT 1, All 3 editions of 100 and prices are £750, £800 & £850 inc vat.
All 3 editions of 100 and prices are £750, £800 & £850 inc vat.
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by nex on Nov 24, 2009 12:10:27 GMT 1, All 3 editions of 100 and prices are £750, £800 & £850 inc vat.
wow! big old price for such large editions
All 3 editions of 100 and prices are £750, £800 & £850 inc vat. wow! big old price for such large editions |
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José Parlá Print Release - Elms Lesters - 5th Dec, by bozwick on Nov 24, 2009 12:14:08 GMT 1, What is the size of each print?
What is the size of each print?
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