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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by ABC on Aug 3, 2007 18:08:59 GMT 1, That is some serious wonga!!!! ;D ;D I hope POW wern't there!!! LOL ;D
Laz was
That is some serious wonga!!!! ;D ;D I hope POW wern't there!!! LOL ;D Laz was
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by barry cilit on Aug 3, 2007 18:11:36 GMT 1, Laz who?
Laz who?
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by gordy on Aug 3, 2007 18:16:33 GMT 1, Does anyone else think that the next signed Banksy will be ยฃ1000? With the prices they are going for on the bay approx 4G. POW and banksy himself might think F##k this why not!!!!! Why should POW only make ยฃยฃยฃ when sellers on e-bay are making ยฃ3000 profit?
Does anyone else think that the next signed Banksy will be ยฃ1000? With the prices they are going for on the bay approx 4G. POW and banksy himself might think F##k this why not!!!!! Why should POW only make ยฃยฃยฃ when sellers on e-bay are making ยฃ3000 profit?
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Va Va Voom on Aug 3, 2007 18:38:39 GMT 1, 9 prints 3 (100)) at 900 3 at (75) 1250 2 at (50) 1350 1 at(50) 1500,all originals bar 1 sold ( that was only left coz 12 by 8 65k),pottery 5,6,7k all sold. Is that some kind of Da-vinci code?
Sorry chaps ..late an all that ;D ;D
9 prints 3 (100)) at 900 3 at (75) 1250 2 at (50) 1350 1 at(50) 1500,all originals bar 1 sold ( that was only left coz 12 by 8 65k),pottery 5,6,7k all sold. Is that some kind of Da-vinci code? Sorry chaps ..late an all that ;D ;D
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by dave313perry on Aug 3, 2007 18:42:55 GMT 1, Is that some kind of Da-vinci code? Sorry chaps ..late an all that ;D ;D
Its alrite mate i did figure it out! cheers
Is that some kind of Da-vinci code? Sorry chaps ..late an all that ;D ;D Its alrite mate i did figure it out! cheers
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Va Va Voom on Aug 3, 2007 18:51:56 GMT 1, Did you manage to get anything yourself Dave?
Did you manage to get anything yourself Dave?
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by dave313perry on Aug 3, 2007 19:01:45 GMT 1, No, couldnt get down their, i would love to go down to these galleries on a regular bases, (i missed found too) but because i live in the midlands im looking at a 4-5 hour round trip plus my viewing and queeing time!!! weekends i would be fine but all these thursday releases dont do me any favours!!
I was desperate for someone to pick me something up as a favour, but no luck! I could have made it worth theor while too! nevermind! Next show i fancy im going to have to book some time off work but getting 15 days a year really sucks!
No, couldnt get down their, i would love to go down to these galleries on a regular bases, (i missed found too) but because i live in the midlands im looking at a 4-5 hour round trip plus my viewing and queeing time!!! weekends i would be fine but all these thursday releases dont do me any favours!!
I was desperate for someone to pick me something up as a favour, but no luck! I could have made it worth theor while too! nevermind! Next show i fancy im going to have to book some time off work but getting 15 days a year really sucks!
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by pezlow on Aug 3, 2007 19:47:19 GMT 1, I would have said 50% of the queue would sell their prints. I got the impression that there were a few that didn't even know who adam neate was and didnt care.
What I don't understand, if that is right, is how these people got invites to the preview when loads of people on this forum didn't!
I would have said 50% of the queue would sell their prints. I got the impression that there were a few that didn't even know who adam neate was and didnt care. What I don't understand, if that is right, is how these people got invites to the preview when loads of people on this forum didn't!
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by manchestermike on Aug 3, 2007 20:05:09 GMT 1, Pass Pez - there were a couple of groups there, man, woman and two kids all with the money for the 3 prints
Pass Pez - there were a couple of groups there, man, woman and two kids all with the money for the 3 prints
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ABC
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by ABC on Aug 3, 2007 20:20:28 GMT 1, It was a little like standing in the SG06 Queue with the amount of "not sure what this art thing is about" people. When I went into the show I went downstairs first to have a look around, as you normally do, then thought where is everyone? went up stairs and there were the prints and all of the people. The good thing was that I got to see the art downstairs in peace before going into the frenzy upstairs, more than a lot can say as they stood in the Queue untill closing time.
It was a little like standing in the SG06 Queue with the amount of "not sure what this art thing is about" people. When I went into the show I went downstairs first to have a look around, as you normally do, then thought where is everyone? went up stairs and there were the prints and all of the people. The good thing was that I got to see the art downstairs in peace before going into the frenzy upstairs, more than a lot can say as they stood in the Queue untill closing time.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by corblimeylimey on Aug 3, 2007 20:43:57 GMT 1, 3 x ยฃ900 (ed of 100) 3 x ยฃ1250 (ed of 75) 2 x ยฃ1350 (ed of 50) 1 x ยฃ1500 (ed of 50)
So adding it all up its ยฃ761,250 for 9 photographs of paintings printed via inkjet 675 times and signed
And the even more crazy fact is that they sell for about double on ebay, so that's ยฃ1,522,500 worth then. it's all a little mad IMO.
3 x ยฃ900 (ed of 100) 3 x ยฃ1250 (ed of 75) 2 x ยฃ1350 (ed of 50) 1 x ยฃ1500 (ed of 50) So adding it all up its ยฃ761,250 for 9 photographs of paintings printed via inkjet 675 times and signed And the even more crazy fact is that they sell for about double on ebay, so that's ยฃ1,522,500 worth then. it's all a little mad IMO.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by manchestermike on Aug 3, 2007 20:51:28 GMT 1, ABC - I know what you mean, luckily I got about 45 minutes plus to look round when everyone near the front of the queue had gone. Downstairs was dead, managed to have a good chat with Adam, what a sound guy... and plenty of time to look at the works too
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny!
ABC - I know what you mean, luckily I got about 45 minutes plus to look round when everyone near the front of the queue had gone. Downstairs was dead, managed to have a good chat with Adam, what a sound guy... and plenty of time to look at the works too
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny!
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by andrewd on Aug 3, 2007 20:56:46 GMT 1, Wow. Reading a lot of threads with some pretty negative tones. It's Friday for F*cks sake, lighten up. If the Neate/Mantis/Beejoir sales are causing this much griping, we're going to have some serious fun when the next Banksy is released next Wednesday afternoon. S*it that torn it.
I am off to POW next week to pick something up, I'll give Wednesday afternoon a miss then, or maybe I should go and watch the 'puters melt! ;D Thanks for jbob posting that there were still Neate prints available this afternoon. I popped over after work and got Queen and Come on. Best show I've been to in a while and that's saying something.
Wow. Reading a lot of threads with some pretty negative tones. It's Friday for F*cks sake, lighten up. If the Neate/Mantis/Beejoir sales are causing this much griping, we're going to have some serious fun when the next Banksy is released next Wednesday afternoon. S*it that torn it. I am off to POW next week to pick something up, I'll give Wednesday afternoon a miss then, or maybe I should go and watch the 'puters melt! ;D Thanks for jbob posting that there were still Neate prints available this afternoon. I popped over after work and got Queen and Come on. Best show I've been to in a while and that's saying something.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by corblimeylimey on Aug 3, 2007 20:58:12 GMT 1, CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny!
I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print.
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny! I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by manchestermike on Aug 3, 2007 21:00:50 GMT 1, CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny! I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print.
But the art has already been created on the original surely?
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny! I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. But the art has already been created on the original surely?
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by carlito on Aug 3, 2007 21:02:54 GMT 1, prior to last night I'd have been with u regarding the expense cbl....but the scary thing is after seeing the originals and prints, the sheer talent and quality there, i'd scarily have been prepared to pay as much as it took to get even one print...mental and i'm usually so good with money *cough*
prior to last night I'd have been with u regarding the expense cbl....but the scary thing is after seeing the originals and prints, the sheer talent and quality there, i'd scarily have been prepared to pay as much as it took to get even one print...mental and i'm usually so good with money *cough*
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by corblimeylimey on Aug 3, 2007 21:07:07 GMT 1, I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. But the art has already been created on the original surely?
Yep, that's my point, the work was already done and will sell in it's own right.
So all you need to do to make an extra three quarters of a million pounds has just been described. So that's easy money, right?
I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. But the art has already been created on the original surely? Yep, that's my point, the work was already done and will sell in it's own right. So all you need to do to make an extra three quarters of a million pounds has just been described. So that's easy money, right?
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by manchestermike on Aug 3, 2007 21:14:52 GMT 1, In a way mate, but the guy deserves every penny
In a way mate, but the guy deserves every penny
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Strange Al on Aug 3, 2007 21:26:23 GMT 1, CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny! I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print.
You're right it is easy money, but that's a criticism you can level at most of the prints discussed on this board. There are obviously plenty of complaints about giclees, but I just don't think you'd be able to recreate Neate's works half as well by other more traditional printing methods. Adam's mixed media works have a lot of texture, detail and include real 3D objects. You'd have serious difficulties trying to capture this level of detail in a screen print. Take BRP's version of Kennard's Haywain as an example. It's an absolutely stunning screen print - the registration is mind blowing - but it simply cannot capture the texture or brushwork of the original Haywain as well as a giclee would. That said, I'd be interested to see the screenprints of Hirst's Diamond skull in the flesh. Maybe they'll change my opinion on what can be achieved screenprinting.
Like you I'm a little astounded at Adam's success on these boards and how his prints have flown. It's not that I don't think he deserves the success. He absolutely does - the exhibition is simply mesmeric! But more that Adam has managed to drag a whole legion of Street Art collectors/fans, who were buying affordable art, into the world of contemporary fine art. Adam may leave works on the streets, but for me he really is a contemporary fine artist. His work shares far more similarities with Francis Bacon and Picasso than it does with Banksy or any of the other stencil/Graff based street artists discussed on this board. Now I'm not saying Adam is necessarily the next Bacon or Picasso, it's more that we're now talking a whole different field of art.
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny! I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. You're right it is easy money, but that's a criticism you can level at most of the prints discussed on this board. There are obviously plenty of complaints about giclees, but I just don't think you'd be able to recreate Neate's works half as well by other more traditional printing methods. Adam's mixed media works have a lot of texture, detail and include real 3D objects. You'd have serious difficulties trying to capture this level of detail in a screen print. Take BRP's version of Kennard's Haywain as an example. It's an absolutely stunning screen print - the registration is mind blowing - but it simply cannot capture the texture or brushwork of the original Haywain as well as a giclee would. That said, I'd be interested to see the screenprints of Hirst's Diamond skull in the flesh. Maybe they'll change my opinion on what can be achieved screenprinting. Like you I'm a little astounded at Adam's success on these boards and how his prints have flown. It's not that I don't think he deserves the success. He absolutely does - the exhibition is simply mesmeric! But more that Adam has managed to drag a whole legion of Street Art collectors/fans, who were buying affordable art, into the world of contemporary fine art. Adam may leave works on the streets, but for me he really is a contemporary fine artist. His work shares far more similarities with Francis Bacon and Picasso than it does with Banksy or any of the other stencil/Graff based street artists discussed on this board. Now I'm not saying Adam is necessarily the next Bacon or Picasso, it's more that we're now talking a whole different field of art.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Existencil on Aug 3, 2007 21:31:37 GMT 1, Here Here.
Well said ManchesterMike!
Adam's stuff is streets ahead of anything I've seen. You can see Picasso all over his work, but it has a sharp modern twist that I think is exquisite.
Stuey*Esquire
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Well said ManchesterMike!
Adam's stuff is streets ahead of anything I've seen. You can see Picasso all over his work, but it has a sharp modern twist that I think is exquisite.
Stuey*Esquire
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Va Va Voom on Aug 3, 2007 21:32:19 GMT 1, CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny![/quote I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. I see the point you are making CBL,but I think that going forward many artists/gallerys in the future will adopt the giclee route.I agree that the process is not in the "purists eye" strictly acceptable,screenprinting being the favoured process. The quality of these prints are fantastic,yes its a hell of a lot of money but they have almost sold out in 48 hrs which to me means that someone has done their homework.
CBL - Seriously mate, worth every single penny![/quote I know they're good, I'm not arguing about that. It's the cost and it's easy money, you pay a professional photographer less than ยฃ500 for half a days work, a little tweak in photoshop, and press print. I see the point you are making CBL,but I think that going forward many artists/gallerys in the future will adopt the giclee route.I agree that the process is not in the "purists eye" strictly acceptable,screenprinting being the favoured process. The quality of these prints are fantastic,yes its a hell of a lot of money but they have almost sold out in 48 hrs which to me means that someone has done their homework.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Existencil on Aug 3, 2007 21:32:33 GMT 1, Sorry, well said CoreBlimeyLimey!
Sorry, well said CoreBlimeyLimey!
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Aza on Aug 3, 2007 21:44:30 GMT 1, the whole giclee argument is boring they look amazing and the people who buy them will love them on their walls (fuck the filppers) i am not gonna ignore them coz they are 'inkjets', i dont give a shit
the whole giclee argument is boring they look amazing and the people who buy them will love them on their walls (fuck the filppers) i am not gonna ignore them coz they are 'inkjets', i dont give a shit
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by funkrye on Aug 3, 2007 21:48:02 GMT 1, Couldnt put it better Aza..
Couldnt put it better Aza..
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by arcam on Aug 3, 2007 21:49:05 GMT 1, the whole giclee argument is boring they look amazing and the people who buy them will love them on their walls (f**k the filppers) i am not gonna ignore them coz they are 'inkjets', i dont give a s**t + 1 Right on. ;D
the whole giclee argument is boring they look amazing and the people who buy them will love them on their walls (f**k the filppers) i am not gonna ignore them coz they are 'inkjets', i dont give a s**t + 1 Right on. ;D
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by ABC on Aug 3, 2007 21:49:38 GMT 1, If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc.
If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc.
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by Va Va Voom on Aug 3, 2007 22:05:42 GMT 1, If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc.
Spot on ABC
If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc. Spot on ABC
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by speebe on Aug 3, 2007 22:24:05 GMT 1, If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc.
Adam might have established himself by putting his work onto the streets but his method of working really reminds me of a combination of fine art styles; the found objects and associated social commentry of Robert Rauschenbergs work with the distorted figurative elements, energy and painterly qualities demonstrated by Francis Bacon. Both artists created their work before Adam was born but his approach really reminds me of their work, albeit a hybrid of their working styles with a unique twist with a definate dark, self depreciating style only a brit could create. I love the idea of Adam being the new ambassador for the british fine art scene.
Move over YBA's your old hat... There's a new kid in town!
If a collector of JM Basquiat bought an original from last nights show, and is going to hang it in between his JMB's then to me that says Neate has branched out to a much wider audience. The collectors are not just forum members any more, these are collectors who have collections running into the millions with the likes of original Bacons etc. Adam might have established himself by putting his work onto the streets but his method of working really reminds me of a combination of fine art styles; the found objects and associated social commentry of Robert Rauschenbergs work with the distorted figurative elements, energy and painterly qualities demonstrated by Francis Bacon. Both artists created their work before Adam was born but his approach really reminds me of their work, albeit a hybrid of their working styles with a unique twist with a definate dark, self depreciating style only a brit could create. I love the idea of Adam being the new ambassador for the british fine art scene. Move over YBA's your old hat... There's a new kid in town!
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by ABC on Aug 4, 2007 7:32:09 GMT 1, Nicely put speebe, with you 100%
Nicely put speebe, with you 100%
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Holy Grail?...Elms/Neate, by speebe on Aug 4, 2007 8:08:29 GMT 1, Nicely put speebe, with you 100%
Thankyou ABC... I really mean it.
It's no shock that there's such a buzz about the show and Adam's work.
As many have mentioned in this and other Neate threads, quite a few people at the show couldn't put his work into any kind of creative or artistic context as they had little or no understanding of Art History. These individuals are making their choice and spending their money based firmly on what they like or what the taste makers suggest they should like...
They buy because of Hype and word of mouth etc which all of us here contribute too, which is why I find it odd when some forum members bemoan those buying without knowlege of the subject, the artist or their work... This will continue as long as we vocalise our thoughts and tell those uneducated in the arts how great a persons work is.
As frustrating as I find it, we have to accept that will continue.
Nicely put speebe, with you 100% Thankyou ABC... I really mean it. It's no shock that there's such a buzz about the show and Adam's work. As many have mentioned in this and other Neate threads, quite a few people at the show couldn't put his work into any kind of creative or artistic context as they had little or no understanding of Art History. These individuals are making their choice and spending their money based firmly on what they like or what the taste makers suggest they should like... They buy because of Hype and word of mouth etc which all of us here contribute too, which is why I find it odd when some forum members bemoan those buying without knowlege of the subject, the artist or their work... This will continue as long as we vocalise our thoughts and tell those uneducated in the arts how great a persons work is. As frustrating as I find it, we have to accept that will continue.
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