stereoface
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by stereoface on Oct 31, 2007 14:51:28 GMT 1, Awesome. Well, I hope people post pics once they put them up. Also, if anyone got a copy of "Two People Lose Track Of Where They Are" or "Two People Spend A Day In the Snow" and might be willing to part with one of them let me know.
Awesome. Well, I hope people post pics once they put them up. Also, if anyone got a copy of "Two People Lose Track Of Where They Are" or "Two People Spend A Day In the Snow" and might be willing to part with one of them let me know.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pw on Oct 31, 2007 15:20:42 GMT 1, They are selling to people who originally had interest and didn't get anything from the show. I see that as very anti-flipper. What you see and what others see is like everything - open to interpretaion. What they actually did was to sell prints to only a certain select collection of people. They could do it - they did do it - and am sure they'll do it again. The people who bought - will they sell and make a mockery of BLKMKT ? - well time will tell. As for those who missed out - well you can't ask them the same question can you ... ? Red Propeller didn't, if my memory serves me right, behave in the same manner - perhaps they did this to increase the guys fanbase. ..
what a pile of crap. sometimes this place drives me mad. maybe they sold only to people on thier mailing list because they thougth that was the best way to sell to true fans, and that if anyone was genuinely interested in buying some prints or originals they would have got off their ass and phoned/emailed them at some stage to express an interest and therefore end up on the mailing list.
They are selling to people who originally had interest and didn't get anything from the show. I see that as very anti-flipper. What you see and what others see is like everything - open to interpretaion. What they actually did was to sell prints to only a certain select collection of people. They could do it - they did do it - and am sure they'll do it again. The people who bought - will they sell and make a mockery of BLKMKT ? - well time will tell. As for those who missed out - well you can't ask them the same question can you ... ? Red Propeller didn't, if my memory serves me right, behave in the same manner - perhaps they did this to increase the guys fanbase. .. what a pile of crap. sometimes this place drives me mad. maybe they sold only to people on thier mailing list because they thougth that was the best way to sell to true fans, and that if anyone was genuinely interested in buying some prints or originals they would have got off their ass and phoned/emailed them at some stage to express an interest and therefore end up on the mailing list.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by absyrd on Oct 31, 2007 15:27:22 GMT 1, I still want the two girls waiting for the subway train one to come out as a print.
That is by far my fav Ian Francis.
I still want the two girls waiting for the subway train one to come out as a print. That is by far my fav Ian Francis.
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snapwolfe
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by snapwolfe on Oct 31, 2007 15:29:51 GMT 1, I was on the list solely because i had signed up for the original painting presale. these prints were a consolation prize for those of us who couldnt catch or afford an original. I feel less than consoled though, because i missed the print sale too. that being said... if anyone has any prints available, please let me know. I may even have a recently released print available (b/w signed).
I was on the list solely because i had signed up for the original painting presale. these prints were a consolation prize for those of us who couldnt catch or afford an original. I feel less than consoled though, because i missed the print sale too. that being said... if anyone has any prints available, please let me know. I may even have a recently released print available (b/w signed).
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 17:45:06 GMT 1, So has anyone been refunded yet - who bought one but wasn't on the list? Be good to know if some of the IF's will be coming up for sale again on the site...
So has anyone been refunded yet - who bought one but wasn't on the list? Be good to know if some of the IF's will be coming up for sale again on the site...
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by Matt-lock on Oct 31, 2007 17:46:46 GMT 1, Anybody who thinks Jana or Blk Mrkt are trying to corner the market and increase these prints worth are badly mistaken. They have done nothing more than try to sell these prints to true Ian Francis fans. This is the best idea they came up with. They're not only sending the email to people who bought the prints/originals last time...they're trying to make them available to people who have shown genuine interest in Ian. Yes, without a doubt some people that have shown interest in the past were accidentally left off the list. This wasn't intentional. It has happened to all of us or at least will at some point in the future.
Anybody who thinks Jana or Blk Mrkt are trying to corner the market and increase these prints worth are badly mistaken. They have done nothing more than try to sell these prints to true Ian Francis fans. This is the best idea they came up with. They're not only sending the email to people who bought the prints/originals last time...they're trying to make them available to people who have shown genuine interest in Ian. Yes, without a doubt some people that have shown interest in the past were accidentally left off the list. This wasn't intentional. It has happened to all of us or at least will at some point in the future.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by ABC on Oct 31, 2007 21:53:42 GMT 1, On a more negative note, do you not think flippers email every gallery going to get put on these sorts of lists?
On a more negative note, do you not think flippers email every gallery going to get put on these sorts of lists?
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by finsburyparkranger on Oct 31, 2007 22:06:39 GMT 1, If you want to stop flippers its simple, stop creating expensive limited edition consumer durables and just make unlimited editions.
If you want to stop flippers its simple, stop creating expensive limited edition consumer durables and just make unlimited editions.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by JD on Oct 31, 2007 22:08:38 GMT 1, On a more negative note, do you not think flippers email every gallery going to get put on these sorts of lists?
Of course they do, its the easiest thing they can do.Different thing but I bought a Lucy Mclauchlan once on ebay and when the man sent me a copy of his receipt he had bought 5 or 6. The sellers must know what they are up to.
On a more negative note, do you not think flippers email every gallery going to get put on these sorts of lists? Of course they do, its the easiest thing they can do.Different thing but I bought a Lucy Mclauchlan once on ebay and when the man sent me a copy of his receipt he had bought 5 or 6. The sellers must know what they are up to.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by Chuck D on Oct 31, 2007 22:12:11 GMT 1, I'm a sucker for the smallest edition size possible. With an open edition, my interest wouldn't be nearly as high.
I'm a sucker for the smallest edition size possible. With an open edition, my interest wouldn't be nearly as high.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by ABC on Oct 31, 2007 22:12:40 GMT 1, They stop when the art market falls flat on its arse, that will leave them looking for next best thing. Good buzz, start collecting donkey porn, worth millions.
They stop when the art market falls flat on its arse, that will leave them looking for next best thing. Good buzz, start collecting donkey porn, worth millions.
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Matt-lock
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by Matt-lock on Oct 31, 2007 22:34:43 GMT 1, Of course it's great to buy things we love but another huge aspect of enjoying collecting art is the fact that there are limited editions and not everybody will have it. It's a great feeling snagging that banksy, francis, or whomever and on the flipside not getting those sucks but we live with it. That's what makes collecting art fun! I wish every edition was less than 100. If I like an image enough I'll pull a pic off the internet and have it framed up.
All I'm saying is yes, flipping is annoying sometimes but without them I wouldn't be able to own 1/2 my collection. If I want something bad enough I will save up and buy it on the aftermarket and there's no greater feeling than finally owning that great piece you've been saving for...no matter how or who it was purchased from.
Of course it's great to buy things we love but another huge aspect of enjoying collecting art is the fact that there are limited editions and not everybody will have it. It's a great feeling snagging that banksy, francis, or whomever and on the flipside not getting those sucks but we live with it. That's what makes collecting art fun! I wish every edition was less than 100. If I like an image enough I'll pull a pic off the internet and have it framed up.
All I'm saying is yes, flipping is annoying sometimes but without them I wouldn't be able to own 1/2 my collection. If I want something bad enough I will save up and buy it on the aftermarket and there's no greater feeling than finally owning that great piece you've been saving for...no matter how or who it was purchased from.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by Coach on Nov 1, 2007 0:40:16 GMT 1, the unfair bit, imo, is that lots of people seem to be on the list cos they signed up for an orriginal. lots of people collect prints but would never sign up to buy an orriginal simply because they cant afford it. this method of selling seems to prevent people who can only afford prints from buying one. if however, asking to be informed of the next print release was enough to get on the list, then what i say is not correct. just an opinion of course - at the end of the day, its up to IF and the gallery to decide how and when they sell their stuff.
the unfair bit, imo, is that lots of people seem to be on the list cos they signed up for an orriginal. lots of people collect prints but would never sign up to buy an orriginal simply because they cant afford it. this method of selling seems to prevent people who can only afford prints from buying one. if however, asking to be informed of the next print release was enough to get on the list, then what i say is not correct. just an opinion of course - at the end of the day, its up to IF and the gallery to decide how and when they sell their stuff.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by sausageboonwee on Nov 1, 2007 1:03:09 GMT 1, I think IF has the right idea producing editions of 50. He produces regular editions of short runs which keeps a freshness to his work. I know Banksy prints are very desirable but given how many great images he produces I would prefer if he produced far more work in shorter runs.
I think IF has the right idea producing editions of 50. He produces regular editions of short runs which keeps a freshness to his work. I know Banksy prints are very desirable but given how many great images he produces I would prefer if he produced far more work in shorter runs.
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snelj8
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by snelj8 on Nov 1, 2007 7:07:22 GMT 1, I like the 50 editions as well, keeps them desirable and more accessible than when they were 25 before... is there a planned show for IF in 2008?
is anyone here going to be proud owner of all 8 prints from both releases? What a wall that would be!
I like the 50 editions as well, keeps them desirable and more accessible than when they were 25 before... is there a planned show for IF in 2008?
is anyone here going to be proud owner of all 8 prints from both releases? What a wall that would be!
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by veralynn on Nov 1, 2007 8:24:44 GMT 1, Spoke to Blk Mrkt yesterday for the first time and found them to be extremely courteous and they implied that they were looking to ensure that as far as possible people who had registered a definate interest in specifically Ian's stuff were given the opportunity to buy and who can say fairer than that? Its surely the best way - people who were prepared to put a little leg work in got asked. And no, I didnt get anything and yes, I'm dissapointed but it's hardly a life changer.
Spoke to Blk Mrkt yesterday for the first time and found them to be extremely courteous and they implied that they were looking to ensure that as far as possible people who had registered a definate interest in specifically Ian's stuff were given the opportunity to buy and who can say fairer than that? Its surely the best way - people who were prepared to put a little leg work in got asked. And no, I didnt get anything and yes, I'm dissapointed but it's hardly a life changer.
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pezlow
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pezlow on Nov 1, 2007 9:09:50 GMT 1, It's not fair because as soon as you start creating secret lists, however fair you think your list is, you are going to miss people off. Did they, for example, get hold of a list of people who had bought Ian Francis's prints from Red Propeller or from Collectors Prints. I somehow doubt it.
The charitable view would be that BLK/MKT were trying to help out the "genuine fans" whatever that means. The uncharitable view would be that they were creating a mystique about this release - making it seem more unobtainable makes people desire it more.
Whatever their motives may be it has the fact of creating an elite - a list of people in the know.
Percentage wise I am sure that just as many prints will be flipped from this release as for the last when it was an open sale.
If they wanted it to be open why didn't they have a mailist list button on their site so that people who were interested in Ian Francis could sign up to a mailing list there?
The only fair and democratic way of releasing prints is to just put them up on your site for the whole world to buy. Everyone has an equal chance of success or failure. People can b**ch about missing it but at least they had a chance.
It's not fair because as soon as you start creating secret lists, however fair you think your list is, you are going to miss people off. Did they, for example, get hold of a list of people who had bought Ian Francis's prints from Red Propeller or from Collectors Prints. I somehow doubt it.
The charitable view would be that BLK/MKT were trying to help out the "genuine fans" whatever that means. The uncharitable view would be that they were creating a mystique about this release - making it seem more unobtainable makes people desire it more.
Whatever their motives may be it has the fact of creating an elite - a list of people in the know.
Percentage wise I am sure that just as many prints will be flipped from this release as for the last when it was an open sale.
If they wanted it to be open why didn't they have a mailist list button on their site so that people who were interested in Ian Francis could sign up to a mailing list there?
The only fair and democratic way of releasing prints is to just put them up on your site for the whole world to buy. Everyone has an equal chance of success or failure. People can b**ch about missing it but at least they had a chance.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by sausageboonwee on Nov 1, 2007 9:26:37 GMT 1, Problem is like the POW mailing list lots of people have no interest in Banksy or art join it, never think twice then suddenly receive an email telling them of a release. They then buy purely to sell denying people who love the art and who contribute actively to sites like these. Hats off to Blk Market for at least trying a different system.
Problem is like the POW mailing list lots of people have no interest in Banksy or art join it, never think twice then suddenly receive an email telling them of a release. They then buy purely to sell denying people who love the art and who contribute actively to sites like these. Hats off to Blk Market for at least trying a different system.
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pezlow
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pezlow on Nov 1, 2007 9:32:51 GMT 1, Of course there are some inactive flippers who just wait for the email and then buy to sell. But there are just as many active ones who will have got themselves on this list.
This is nothing to do with flippers. It is all to do with making a level playing field for everyone - everyone has the same chance and the same prospect of getting a print. Nobody can feel that they were hard done to because they weren't on some secret list that they didn't even know about. Everyone has the same chance - art lovers, forum contributors, lurkers, flippers.
I fully understand the reasons why BLK/MKT did this but it is just not right to describe it as fair.
Of course there are some inactive flippers who just wait for the email and then buy to sell. But there are just as many active ones who will have got themselves on this list.
This is nothing to do with flippers. It is all to do with making a level playing field for everyone - everyone has the same chance and the same prospect of getting a print. Nobody can feel that they were hard done to because they weren't on some secret list that they didn't even know about. Everyone has the same chance - art lovers, forum contributors, lurkers, flippers.
I fully understand the reasons why BLK/MKT did this but it is just not right to describe it as fair.
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pezlow
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pezlow on Nov 1, 2007 9:35:51 GMT 1, ps I say this as someone who is more often than not privy to these secret sales and secret lists. So in a sense if galleries adopted what I propose I would have less chance of getting what I want. But sometimes you have to step back and look at the overall picture...
ps I say this as someone who is more often than not privy to these secret sales and secret lists. So in a sense if galleries adopted what I propose I would have less chance of getting what I want. But sometimes you have to step back and look at the overall picture...
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by dotdot on Nov 1, 2007 9:36:36 GMT 1, Exclusive in this case is meaning restrictive.
I agree with giving people what they want.
Making it an unlevel playing field will lead to resentment and actually lose you customers and damage your reputuation.
If this is what you want - then in this case this looks like what you've got.
Nothing to do with Blkmkt or IF.. remember Stolenspace and D prints for overseas "customers" ? Customers did not buy it and both repuations were damaged.
(pehaps resurrected by the new show... prints anyone ?.)
Don't get me wrong people - I'm all in favour of doing it correctly if correctly is giving everyone a chance. This would appear to not be the case for this organisation.
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Exclusive in this case is meaning restrictive.
I agree with giving people what they want.
Making it an unlevel playing field will lead to resentment and actually lose you customers and damage your reputuation.
If this is what you want - then in this case this looks like what you've got.
Nothing to do with Blkmkt or IF.. remember Stolenspace and D prints for overseas "customers" ? Customers did not buy it and both repuations were damaged.
(pehaps resurrected by the new show... prints anyone ?.)
Don't get me wrong people - I'm all in favour of doing it correctly if correctly is giving everyone a chance. This would appear to not be the case for this organisation.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by sausageboonwee on Nov 1, 2007 9:37:29 GMT 1, interseting to see what Blk Mrkt will do next time round, whether they see it as a success or not. The only consultation is that IF produces prints fairly regularly and will do so for years to come. Pezlow you do have a very valid point though.
interseting to see what Blk Mrkt will do next time round, whether they see it as a success or not. The only consultation is that IF produces prints fairly regularly and will do so for years to come. Pezlow you do have a very valid point though.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by numusic on Nov 1, 2007 10:06:58 GMT 1, Problem is like the POW mailing list lots of people have no interest in Banksy or art join it, never think twice then suddenly receive an email telling them of a release. They then buy purely to sell denying people who love the art and who contribute actively to sites like these. Hats off to Blk Market for at least trying a different system.
Over the past 6 months this site would give any online gallery a run for its money when it comes to selling relatively new prints for a tidy profit.
Problem is like the POW mailing list lots of people have no interest in Banksy or art join it, never think twice then suddenly receive an email telling them of a release. They then buy purely to sell denying people who love the art and who contribute actively to sites like these. Hats off to Blk Market for at least trying a different system. Over the past 6 months this site would give any online gallery a run for its money when it comes to selling relatively new prints for a tidy profit.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by holden on Nov 1, 2007 11:09:55 GMT 1, What is the perfect marketing strategy/ploy? I read supporters and detractors from each of the different releases whether it be *ltd editions and the thrill of the chase, taking the form of *a physical queue (the bloke and family must be ok with this), a 1000 to flood the market *an internet russian roulette a la POW *a release for an hour if you get your name down *email the artist and they will do a random pick *if you've bought from me before I'll sell you another maybe the same number (that has to be important, when I look at my prints my eye goes staright to the number, if its not the same, well!!! Surely this is purely a marketing ploy to get costs up if your into re-sale?? yes/no....I'm not sure why it really matters, Im naive I know?) *or this latest I'll sell it if I've heard of you before and have your name down or simply an unlimited release, but then its not 'especially' for me (and a few others)
It all sounds rather iffy to me and helps create the mystique and desirability. Its a game we like to play for various reasons. Some of the rules we like...when we get one? others we dont and have a wobbly and throw all our toys out of our trolley
Neg away if you feel the need, I have another account to re-credit myself...if I could be ars'd. The same number thing I really would like to know...are we just a bunch of trainspotters/stamp collectors?
What is the perfect marketing strategy/ploy? I read supporters and detractors from each of the different releases whether it be *ltd editions and the thrill of the chase, taking the form of *a physical queue (the bloke and family must be ok with this), a 1000 to flood the market *an internet russian roulette a la POW *a release for an hour if you get your name down *email the artist and they will do a random pick *if you've bought from me before I'll sell you another maybe the same number (that has to be important, when I look at my prints my eye goes staright to the number, if its not the same, well!!! Surely this is purely a marketing ploy to get costs up if your into re-sale?? yes/no....I'm not sure why it really matters, Im naive I know?) *or this latest I'll sell it if I've heard of you before and have your name down or simply an unlimited release, but then its not 'especially' for me (and a few others) It all sounds rather iffy to me and helps create the mystique and desirability. Its a game we like to play for various reasons. Some of the rules we like...when we get one? others we dont and have a wobbly and throw all our toys out of our trolley Neg away if you feel the need, I have another account to re-credit myself...if I could be ars'd. The same number thing I really would like to know...are we just a bunch of trainspotters/stamp collectors?
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by fedjarojnik on Nov 1, 2007 12:28:45 GMT 1, sorry pezlow, but how can you expect them to compile lists from other companies. they are in the business of selling their prints at the end of the day and whoever expressed an interest to them, they rewarded with a heads up. i certainly wouldnt consider myself as part of an elite, in fact had never bought anything from black market before but did contact them to get an original which cost as much as a short run micallef print. i would also argue that up to now black market had issued the best of IF works so if you were really after his work, had checked his website, gone through all his pieces you would have quickly realised that black market is prob the place to drop a line...
sorry pezlow, but how can you expect them to compile lists from other companies. they are in the business of selling their prints at the end of the day and whoever expressed an interest to them, they rewarded with a heads up. i certainly wouldnt consider myself as part of an elite, in fact had never bought anything from black market before but did contact them to get an original which cost as much as a short run micallef print. i would also argue that up to now black market had issued the best of IF works so if you were really after his work, had checked his website, gone through all his pieces you would have quickly realised that black market is prob the place to drop a line...
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by fedjarojnik on Nov 1, 2007 12:34:14 GMT 1, and yes i think this game is all about exclusivity if we are all honest! like you said trainspotters fighting over the latest white label/dubplate, stamp collectors, or just plain one-up man ship, with a financial element built in (i.e difference between purchase price and potential resale value to add excitment to the game). Its a beatifull proposition, chase untill you may get something amazing to put on the wall - like a beautifull girls number and then find out she may even make you a little bit better off if you hit hard times. Who can resist pressing F5 for days to get that when we are stuck behind computer for most of the day!
its a paradox that the desirability of prints would decrease if they were produced in runs of thousands, and if there was no chance of them significantly increasing in value. art for arts sake is not what is driving this - or the 6 million visitors to this site :-)
and yes i think this game is all about exclusivity if we are all honest! like you said trainspotters fighting over the latest white label/dubplate, stamp collectors, or just plain one-up man ship, with a financial element built in (i.e difference between purchase price and potential resale value to add excitment to the game). Its a beatifull proposition, chase untill you may get something amazing to put on the wall - like a beautifull girls number and then find out she may even make you a little bit better off if you hit hard times. Who can resist pressing F5 for days to get that when we are stuck behind computer for most of the day!
its a paradox that the desirability of prints would decrease if they were produced in runs of thousands, and if there was no chance of them significantly increasing in value. art for arts sake is not what is driving this - or the 6 million visitors to this site :-)
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pezlow
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pezlow on Nov 1, 2007 12:37:25 GMT 1, sorry pezlow, but how can you expect them to compile lists from other companies.
That is exactly my point. They can't compile a list from other companies information. So they will inevitably miss people off from the secret heads up who are fans of Ian Francis' work but just haven't bought from them before. I think that proves that however fairly they try to compile the list by its very nature it is going to miss people off and thus be unfair.
sorry pezlow, but how can you expect them to compile lists from other companies. That is exactly my point. They can't compile a list from other companies information. So they will inevitably miss people off from the secret heads up who are fans of Ian Francis' work but just haven't bought from them before. I think that proves that however fairly they try to compile the list by its very nature it is going to miss people off and thus be unfair.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by fedjarojnik on Nov 1, 2007 12:44:48 GMT 1, yes but can you realistically expect them to do that -they are competing businesses. maybe an artist should set up a list on his site, which somehow qualifies interest in their work, purchases of existing works, favourite pieces, and other criteria to make it fair - which he then supplies to galleries. but i am sure people would find a work around, and whatever they did it would never be fullproof...
yes but can you realistically expect them to do that -they are competing businesses. maybe an artist should set up a list on his site, which somehow qualifies interest in their work, purchases of existing works, favourite pieces, and other criteria to make it fair - which he then supplies to galleries. but i am sure people would find a work around, and whatever they did it would never be fullproof...
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by pezlow on Nov 1, 2007 12:46:55 GMT 1, whatever they did it would never be fullproof...
Exactly my point. Which is why they should just release the prints on their site and let us all enter the usual printbuyers lottery.
whatever they did it would never be fullproof... Exactly my point. Which is why they should just release the prints on their site and let us all enter the usual printbuyers lottery.
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4 NEW IAN FRANCIS PRINTS ON BLK MARKET NOW, by absyrd on Nov 1, 2007 13:10:20 GMT 1, EDITED: Working something out. Wooooooooooork it ouuuuuuut.
EDITED: Working something out. Wooooooooooork it ouuuuuuut.
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