Run Pig Run
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Music Chat, by Run Pig Run on Mar 1, 2007 18:45:06 GMT 1, Hey bombhugger. You are in for a real treat when you go to see the rakes. I saw them a few weeks ago at kings college union & the new stuff is great. They seem to be getting better as i first saw them early 2005. Bit of a indie kid myself,(that's if you can be a kid at 33)  Started going to gigs at 15 & have seen some greats from nirvana to the maccabees the other night. This is a great thread by the way.
quality, the last rakes album has been played 67 times according to my ipod.
Hey bombhugger. You are in for a real treat when you go to see the rakes. I saw them a few weeks ago at kings college union & the new stuff is great. They seem to be getting better as i first saw them early 2005. Bit of a indie kid myself,(that's if you can be a kid at 33) Started going to gigs at 15 & have seen some greats from nirvana to the maccabees the other night. This is a great thread by the way. quality, the last rakes album has been played 67 times according to my ipod. |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 18:46:12 GMT 1, look a bit nathan barley to me.
michael f*ckin jackson.
look a bit nathan barley to me. michael f*ckin jackson. |
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frank11
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Music Chat, by frank11 on Mar 1, 2007 18:47:46 GMT 1, LW.. you mention Doves. not listened to their stuff but wernt they Sub-Sub back in the day? Might be right up my street if so? they were indeed sub-sub until their studio burnt down and all their music was lost. they've re-invented themselves as a kind of epic guitar band, hard to define them really. very versatile and one of the best live bands i've seen. for a band that have had 2 number one albums they don't get anywhere near enough credit. they've left their funky house days behind them i'm afraid. 
The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D
LW.. you mention Doves. not listened to their stuff but wernt they Sub-Sub back in the day? Might be right up my street if so? they were indeed sub-sub until their studio burnt down and all their music was lost. they've re-invented themselves as a kind of epic guitar band, hard to define them really. very versatile and one of the best live bands i've seen. for a band that have had 2 number one albums they don't get anywhere near enough credit. they've left their funky house days behind them i'm afraid. The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 18:49:58 GMT 1, do you think this forum might fracture and the indie kids go one way and the dance heads another, and if there are any hip-hoppers etc they can have a corner etc. those that flutter between different genres will be outcasts and will hissed at every time they show their faces?
do you think this forum might fracture and the indie kids go one way and the dance heads another, and if there are any hip-hoppers etc they can have a corner etc. those that flutter between different genres will be outcasts and will hissed at every time they show their faces?
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brut
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Music Chat, by brut on Mar 1, 2007 18:49:59 GMT 1, Hi lesbianwednesdays.
The maccabees were excellent the other night & well worthy of any hype that surrounds them at the mo.
I have seen a few bands who have been hyped & are bloody awful live(the horrors being a good example) but the maccabees are a great live band.
You are right about their latest single.Real class.
If you type the maccabees into google & go to the bbc link on the right of the page you will be able to listen to a few of their other songs.
First love is a real cracker.
Hi lesbianwednesdays.
The maccabees were excellent the other night & well worthy of any hype that surrounds them at the mo.
I have seen a few bands who have been hyped & are bloody awful live(the horrors being a good example) but the maccabees are a great live band.
You are right about their latest single.Real class.
If you type the maccabees into google & go to the bbc link on the right of the page you will be able to listen to a few of their other songs.
First love is a real cracker.
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 18:52:34 GMT 1, they were indeed sub-sub until their studio burnt down and all their music was lost. they've re-invented themselves as a kind of epic guitar band, hard to define them really. very versatile and one of the best live bands i've seen. for a band that have had 2 number one albums they don't get anywhere near enough credit. they've left their funky house days behind them i'm afraid. The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D
frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who?
they were indeed sub-sub until their studio burnt down and all their music was lost. they've re-invented themselves as a kind of epic guitar band, hard to define them really. very versatile and one of the best live bands i've seen. for a band that have had 2 number one albums they don't get anywhere near enough credit. they've left their funky house days behind them i'm afraid. The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who? |
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frank11
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Music Chat, by frank11 on Mar 1, 2007 18:53:37 GMT 1, The Horrors oh my god how do they get signed with only a 20ish minute set that features 2 covers. Being from Southend seen them play a couple of times, RUBBISH
The Horrors oh my god how do they get signed with only a 20ish minute set that features 2 covers. Being from Southend seen them play a couple of times, RUBBISH
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brut
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Music Chat, by brut on Mar 1, 2007 18:55:30 GMT 1, Hi frank.
I'm going to chinnerys in southend tomorrow to see jack penate.
What's the venue like?
Hi frank.
I'm going to chinnerys in southend tomorrow to see jack penate.
What's the venue like?
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 18:57:39 GMT 1, cheers brut, for the horrors read the view the worst band i've seen in about two years. not so much that they can't play but why the hype? better bands doing covers in pubs IMO.
i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome.
gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist.
cheers brut, for the horrors read the view the worst band i've seen in about two years. not so much that they can't play but why the hype? better bands doing covers in pubs IMO.
i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome.
gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist.
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frank11
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Music Chat, by frank11 on Mar 1, 2007 19:00:48 GMT 1, The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who?
Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D
The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win.
The last broadcast is an amazing album that everyone should own!! ;D frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who? Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win. |
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Music Chat, by headphonesex on Mar 1, 2007 19:01:58 GMT 1, gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist.
If you like scouse pop make sure you check out The Wombats. They're going to be massive this year, as they're about the catchiest band i've ever heard. I've got an mp3 on my site at the moment, as well as the brilliant video to 'Backfire at the Disco', which takes the piss out of some Cliff Richard effort from the 80s.... you'll just need to scroll down a wee bit.
www.headphonesex.co.uk
gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist. If you like scouse pop make sure you check out The Wombats. They're going to be massive this year, as they're about the catchiest band i've ever heard. I've got an mp3 on my site at the moment, as well as the brilliant video to 'Backfire at the Disco', which takes the piss out of some Cliff Richard effort from the 80s.... you'll just need to scroll down a wee bit. www.headphonesex.co.uk |
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Music Chat, by johnas on Mar 1, 2007 19:02:12 GMT 1, i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome.
tapes 'n tapes were the best 'new' discovery for me last year. have played that album to death....
i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome. were the best 'new' discovery for me last year. have played that album to death.... |
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brut
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Music Chat, by brut on Mar 1, 2007 19:04:42 GMT 1, Some great stuff around at the mo but hype does seem to spoil it a little.
The gossip album is quite good.I am well into Jack Penate at the mo.
I think he will become more popular as the year goes on.His myspace site is well worth a listen.
Have you heard anything by the rifles?If you like the Jam then you will love the album.It is called no love lost.Every song on it is a real belter & they have done fairly well without the hype given out by the NME.
I love the Coral & they have a album out this year but have to say i can't wait for the new rakes album.
Some great stuff around at the mo but hype does seem to spoil it a little.
The gossip album is quite good.I am well into Jack Penate at the mo.
I think he will become more popular as the year goes on.His myspace site is well worth a listen.
Have you heard anything by the rifles?If you like the Jam then you will love the album.It is called no love lost.Every song on it is a real belter & they have done fairly well without the hype given out by the NME.
I love the Coral & they have a album out this year but have to say i can't wait for the new rakes album.
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Music Chat, by headphonesex on Mar 1, 2007 19:05:03 GMT 1, Hadouken are quality btw.
They are indeed!
I've just taken a couple of their (brilliant) remixes off my server unfortunately. Doh!
Hadouken are quality btw. They are indeed! I've just taken a couple of their (brilliant) remixes off my server unfortunately. Doh! |
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frank11
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Music Chat, by frank11 on Mar 1, 2007 19:05:34 GMT 1, Chinnerys is a shit hole, but the beers cheap!! Well not London prices, kind of small i suppose fairly intimate, you should have a great night as always a good crowd!!!
Chinnerys is a shit hole, but the beers cheap!! Well not London prices, kind of small i suppose fairly intimate, you should have a great night as always a good crowd!!!
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Run Pig Run
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Music Chat, by Run Pig Run on Mar 1, 2007 19:20:51 GMT 1, frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who? Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win.
winning a mercury music prize is a curse, it's the kiss of death for any band.
frank, i've just given BH respect for coming up with this thread but as soon as i'm allowed again you're next! how that album didn't win the mercury prize that year i'll never know, think miss dynamite got it that year. who? Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win. winning a mercury music prize is a curse, it's the kiss of death for any band. |
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Music Chat, by monochrome on Mar 1, 2007 19:43:45 GMT 1, i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome. were the best 'new' discovery for me last year. have played that album to death....
i love spanish food too.
i'm out the loop a bit for new music, it does take up quite a bit of time to weed out the crap. any suggestions in relation to straight up indie/rock bands would be welcome. were the best 'new' discovery for me last year. have played that album to death.... i love spanish food too. |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 19:56:57 GMT 1, gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist. If you like scouse pop make sure you check out The Wombats. They're going to be massive this year, as they're about the catchiest band i've ever heard. I've got an mp3 on my site at the moment, as well as the brilliant video to 'Backfire at the Disco', which takes the piss out of some Cliff Richard effort from the 80s.... you'll just need to scroll down a wee bit. www.headphonesex.co.uk
this might seem tenuous but i think i read about them in a magazine/catalogue for microzine, will definetly check them. ta.
gone all scouse on my ipod this week with the coral, la's, zutons and little flames being caned on their own little playlist. If you like scouse pop make sure you check out The Wombats. They're going to be massive this year, as they're about the catchiest band i've ever heard. I've got an mp3 on my site at the moment, as well as the brilliant video to 'Backfire at the Disco', which takes the piss out of some Cliff Richard effort from the 80s.... you'll just need to scroll down a wee bit. www.headphonesex.co.ukthis might seem tenuous but i think i read about them in a magazine/catalogue for microzine, will definetly check them. ta. |
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Music Chat, by mcnuts on Mar 1, 2007 20:01:54 GMT 1, well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!)
Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out:
Everything At Once
www.myspace.com/everythingatonce
If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you.
well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!) Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out: Everything At Once www.myspace.com/everythingatonce If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you. |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 20:04:47 GMT 1, Some great stuff around at the mo but hype does seem to spoil it a little. The gossip album is quite good.I am well into Jack Penate at the mo. I think he will become more popular as the year goes on.His myspace site is well worth a listen. Have you heard anything by the rifles?If you like the Jam then you will love the album.It is called no love lost.Every song on it is a real belter & they have done fairly well without the hype given out by the NME. I love the Coral & they have a album out this year but have to say i can't wait for the new rakes album.
yeah, i came across the gossip after seeing them on popworld would you believe, long before the nme didn't put beth ditto on their cover despite being number 1 in their "cool" list. not got the rifles album although someone i know's band supported them and swears by them, should pull my finger out really!
it goes to show the state of "new" music by the nme tour. last year i saw we are scientists, who must have something out this year, arctics and maximo park. this year: the automatic, the view, the horrors? oh dear.
the little flames i know have an album out end of the month/early april. saw them twice last year and can't wait for that to drop.
how would you describe jack penate?
saw kings of leon a week ago and have their new album, makes the fratellis et al look pathetic. and i quite like them!
Some great stuff around at the mo but hype does seem to spoil it a little. The gossip album is quite good.I am well into Jack Penate at the mo. I think he will become more popular as the year goes on.His myspace site is well worth a listen. Have you heard anything by the rifles?If you like the Jam then you will love the album.It is called no love lost.Every song on it is a real belter & they have done fairly well without the hype given out by the NME. I love the Coral & they have a album out this year but have to say i can't wait for the new rakes album. yeah, i came across the gossip after seeing them on popworld would you believe, long before the nme didn't put beth ditto on their cover despite being number 1 in their "cool" list. not got the rifles album although someone i know's band supported them and swears by them, should pull my finger out really! it goes to show the state of "new" music by the nme tour. last year i saw we are scientists, who must have something out this year, arctics and maximo park. this year: the automatic, the view, the horrors? oh dear. the little flames i know have an album out end of the month/early april. saw them twice last year and can't wait for that to drop. how would you describe jack penate? saw kings of leon a week ago and have their new album, makes the fratellis et al look pathetic. and i quite like them! |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 20:07:00 GMT 1, Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win. winning a mercury music prize is a curse, it's the kiss of death for any band.
the arctics will be the exception to that believe me. franz ferdinand haven't done too badly since, relatively speaking!
Don't you meen Miss Dyna-mi-ti-he ;D ;D The Mercurys are always a bit funny like that, but would never of heard of the mighty Gomez if it had not been for thier win. winning a mercury music prize is a curse, it's the kiss of death for any band. the arctics will be the exception to that believe me. franz ferdinand haven't done too badly since, relatively speaking! |
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Music Chat, by numusic on Mar 1, 2007 20:14:58 GMT 1, well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!) Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out: Everything At Once www.myspace.com/everythingatonce If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you.
If you return the favour and listen to my track, track 1 on here
myspace.com/numusicfestival
Set up a label this year, Numusic Records ;D
well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!) Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out: Everything At Once www.myspace.com/everythingatonce If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you. If you return the favour and listen to my track, track 1 on here myspace.com/numusicfestival Set up a label this year, Numusic Records ;D |
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frank11
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Music Chat, by frank11 on Mar 1, 2007 20:16:27 GMT 1, Lesbianwadnesday big respect point!!!Saw the Fratellis last year and they certainly rock! However the Kings of Leon have to be the greatest band on the planet seen them play a few times on the last tour and one of my good friends X's was shagging Calib for a few months whilst they were last over. I did not think the new album was out yet, how and were did you get a copy? I have been to hung up on POW for the last few months to really keep track
Lesbianwadnesday big respect point!!!Saw the Fratellis last year and they certainly rock! However the Kings of Leon have to be the greatest band on the planet seen them play a few times on the last tour and one of my good friends X's was shagging Calib for a few months whilst they were last over. I did not think the new album was out yet, how and were did you get a copy? I have been to hung up on POW for the last few months to really keep track
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Music Chat, by mcnuts on Mar 1, 2007 20:18:42 GMT 1, well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!) Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out: Everything At Once www.myspace.com/everythingatonce If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you. If you return the favour and listen to my track, track 1 on here myspace.com/numusicfestival Set up a label this year, Numusic Records ;D
"ARTIST REED".... got it on now  Good mellow stuff especially for the mood I am in now after sloggin on the computer for the last 11hours. NO, not hitting F5 (though I did once or twice), working
well i listen to most of the stuff posted on this site (yes my tastes vary that much!) Anyway, i might as well use the chance to promote my brother's band. it may not float all of your boat's but you can check their myspace out: Everything At Once www.myspace.com/everythingatonce If you want a couple of their MP3s, pm me and I can send them to you. If you return the favour and listen to my track, track 1 on here myspace.com/numusicfestival Set up a label this year, Numusic Records ;D "ARTIST REED".... got it on now Good mellow stuff especially for the mood I am in now after sloggin on the computer for the last 11hours. NO, not hitting F5 (though I did once or twice), working |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 22:41:43 GMT 1, Lesbianwadnesday big respect point!!!Saw the Fratellis last year and they certainly rock! However the Kings of Leon have to be the greatest band on the planet seen them play a few times on the last tour and one of my good friends X's was shagging Calib for a few months whilst they were last over. I did not think the new album was out yet, how and were did you get a copy? I have been to hung up on POW for the last few months to really keep track
friend of a friend! it's out in april, PM me your address if you like and i'll send you a copy. it must be on the net somewhere if you do downloads (non-legal!) called because of the times. i'm prone to exagerations but it is up there with youth and young manhood, it's not as instant more a slow burner but i love it all the more for it. track 5, black thumbnail has to be a single, it's a much more complete album than the last one, really flows from start to finish.
they did quite a few new ones last week and they sound even better live.
class. 
Lesbianwadnesday big respect point!!!Saw the Fratellis last year and they certainly rock! However the Kings of Leon have to be the greatest band on the planet seen them play a few times on the last tour and one of my good friends X's was shagging Calib for a few months whilst they were last over. I did not think the new album was out yet, how and were did you get a copy? I have been to hung up on POW for the last few months to really keep track friend of a friend! it's out in april, PM me your address if you like and i'll send you a copy. it must be on the net somewhere if you do downloads (non-legal!) called because of the times. i'm prone to exagerations but it is up there with youth and young manhood, it's not as instant more a slow burner but i love it all the more for it. track 5, black thumbnail has to be a single, it's a much more complete album than the last one, really flows from start to finish. they did quite a few new ones last week and they sound even better live. class. |
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Music Chat, by tomhills1 on Mar 1, 2007 22:43:48 GMT 1, your mate's ex isn't kate moss is it? ;D
your mate's ex isn't kate moss is it? ;D
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Curley
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Music Chat, by Curley on Mar 2, 2007 9:04:55 GMT 1, A dangerous thread for someone who runs a music festival ;D A few early mentalist bookings for numusic 2007 Altern8 (remember them !), Sex in Dallas, Trash Fashion, Mental Overdrive (dfa), Simian Mobile Disco, Datarock, Trevor Jackson.. and another 60 or so to go ! roll on September ;D ;D ;D and Nuart festival.. wow ! ;D ;D ;D
And dangeroeus for one who works as a live music agent.
However good to see lots of the bands we represent on this thread.
Nuart want to book some of my DJ's for your festival ? ;D
Shamless plug of the morning, check out the new Gus Gus Lp.
A dangerous thread for someone who runs a music festival ;D A few early mentalist bookings for numusic 2007 Altern8 (remember them !), Sex in Dallas, Trash Fashion, Mental Overdrive (dfa), Simian Mobile Disco, Datarock, Trevor Jackson.. and another 60 or so to go ! roll on September ;D ;D ;D and Nuart festival.. wow ! ;D ;D ;D And dangeroeus for one who works as a live music agent. However good to see lots of the bands we represent on this thread. Nuart want to book some of my DJ's for your festival ? ;D Shamless plug of the morning, check out the new Gus Gus Lp. |
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Music Chat, by slowmo on Mar 2, 2007 10:14:58 GMT 1, Gus Gus, new album! Cheers mate my wife loves them and its her 30th tomorrow, she'll bloody love that, is it on general release?
Gus Gus, new album! Cheers mate my wife loves them and its her 30th tomorrow, she'll bloody love that, is it on general release?
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Curley
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Music Chat, by Curley on Mar 2, 2007 10:34:11 GMT 1, Gus Gus, new album! Cheers mate my wife loves them and its her 30th tomorrow, she'll bloody love that, is it on general release?
It sure is, first lp in 4 years.
its called forever and on Gung Ho Records (plug plug)
and available in all good retailers as they say ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gus Gus, new album! Cheers mate my wife loves them and its her 30th tomorrow, she'll bloody love that, is it on general release? It sure is, first lp in 4 years. its called forever and on Gung Ho Records (plug plug) and available in all good retailers as they say ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Music Chat, by slowmo on Mar 2, 2007 10:59:00 GMT 1, Awesome. She is gonna have a good B-day. She wanted a hate too stong print by Lucy, sold out at POW.......not at beat13 though (hint hint if anyone wants one or a warrior bird)! So she doesn't know that that has arrived, gonna get her some Julian Opie postcards (the one's where the ladies take their clothes of in a hologram style) a book on an art project that the name slips me now and Gus Gus album. Cheers for the heads up on that.
Awesome. She is gonna have a good B-day. She wanted a hate too stong print by Lucy, sold out at POW.......not at beat13 though (hint hint if anyone wants one or a warrior bird)! So she doesn't know that that has arrived, gonna get her some Julian Opie postcards (the one's where the ladies take their clothes of in a hologram style) a book on an art project that the name slips me now and Gus Gus album. Cheers for the heads up on that.
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Good mellow stuff especially for the mood I am in now after sloggin on the computer for the last 11hours. NO, not hitting F5 (though I did once or twice), working 
