funyoung
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by funyoung on Jan 10, 2009 12:41:44 GMT 1, Deary me... Seems like your the one full of propaganda. Defending such barbarity with callous lies with no factual baking . The blood of many drips from every word you write. I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic. History is littered by people like yourself, Its bad enough to turn away and ignore such events, but to engage and defend such actions puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery. History will illuminate this but then it will be too late. The facts speak for them selves and thankfully your lies cannot mask this. Carry on your spineless crusade.
Does this make sense to anyone?
Rather than attack Timba's comments with reasoned discussion you have gone for personal insults.
'The blood of many drips from every word you write' - what are you on about? Talk about inciting hatred. This sort of comment can surely not be welcome here.
Maybe posts like this are why people might complain about the thread and Silky might have to ask for calm.
A Little Bird - Did you agree with these sentiments when you started your thread?
(although as usual you have an alterior motive and are too snide to admit it).
Deary me... Seems like your the one full of propaganda. Defending such barbarity with callous lies with no factual baking . The blood of many drips from every word you write. I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic. History is littered by people like yourself, Its bad enough to turn away and ignore such events, but to engage and defend such actions puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery. History will illuminate this but then it will be too late. The facts speak for them selves and thankfully your lies cannot mask this. Carry on your spineless crusade. Does this make sense to anyone? Rather than attack Timba's comments with reasoned discussion you have gone for personal insults. 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' - what are you on about? Talk about inciting hatred. This sort of comment can surely not be welcome here. Maybe posts like this are why people might complain about the thread and Silky might have to ask for calm. A Little Bird - Did you agree with these sentiments when you started your thread? (although as usual you have an alterior motive and are too snide to admit it). |
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spirit
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by spirit on Jan 10, 2009 16:21:34 GMT 1, Deary me... Seems like your the one full of propaganda. Defending such barbarity with callous lies with no factual baking . The blood of many drips from every word you write. I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic. History is littered by people like yourself, Its bad enough to turn away and ignore such events, but to engage and defend such actions puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery. History will illuminate this but then it will be too late. The facts speak for them selves and thankfully your lies cannot mask this. Carry on your spineless crusade. Does this make sense to anyone? Rather than attack Timba's comments with reasoned discussion you have gone for personal insults. 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' - what are you on about? Talk about inciting hatred. This sort of comment can surely not be welcome here. Maybe posts like this are why people might complain about the thread and Silky might have to ask for calm. A Little Bird - Did you agree with these sentiments when you started your thread? (although as usual you have an alterior motive and are too snide to admit it).
Makes perfect sense to me.
hellomum has contributed more facts and reasonable discussion to this thread than anyone else.
Did you read any of the links he posted? particularly:
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
If you did, you would understand exactly what 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' means. It is far from inciting hatred - it is simply exposing the truth.
What he is essentially getting at, is that the complete drivel spouted by Timba is nothing but Israeli propaganda, which they use to hide behind while they blatantly commit bloody murder in front of the eyes of the world.
From that article:
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The brutality of Israel's soldiers is fully matched by the mendacity of its spokesmen. Eight months before launching the current war on Gaza, Israel established a National Information Directorate. The core messages of this directorate to the media are that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreements; that Israel's objective is the defence of its population; and that Israel's forces are taking the utmost care not to hurt innocent civilians. Israel's spin doctors have been remarkably successful in getting this message across. But, in essence, their propaganda is a pack of lies.
A wide gap separates the reality of Israel's actions from the rhetoric of its spokesmen. It was not Hamas but the IDF that broke the ceasefire. It did so by a raid into Gaza on 4 November that killed six Hamas men. Israel's objective is not just the defence of its population but the eventual overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza by turning the people against their rulers. And far from taking care to spare civilians, Israel is guilty of indiscriminate bombing and of a three-year-old blockade that has brought the inhabitants of Gaza, now 1.5 million, to the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe.
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Like hellomum, I would urge everyone to read this article written by Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim who served in the Israeli army in the mid 1960's.
Finally, I would add that I cannot see where hellomum made any kind of personal insult against Timba - he (quite rightly imo) highlighted the danger posed by the kind of people Timba aligned himself with when he made his post.
Deary me... Seems like your the one full of propaganda. Defending such barbarity with callous lies with no factual baking . The blood of many drips from every word you write. I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic. History is littered by people like yourself, Its bad enough to turn away and ignore such events, but to engage and defend such actions puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery. History will illuminate this but then it will be too late. The facts speak for them selves and thankfully your lies cannot mask this. Carry on your spineless crusade. Does this make sense to anyone? Rather than attack Timba's comments with reasoned discussion you have gone for personal insults. 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' - what are you on about? Talk about inciting hatred. This sort of comment can surely not be welcome here. Maybe posts like this are why people might complain about the thread and Silky might have to ask for calm. A Little Bird - Did you agree with these sentiments when you started your thread? (although as usual you have an alterior motive and are too snide to admit it). Makes perfect sense to me. hellomum has contributed more facts and reasonable discussion to this thread than anyone else. Did you read any of the links he posted? particularly: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestineIf you did, you would understand exactly what 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' means. It is far from inciting hatred - it is simply exposing the truth. What he is essentially getting at, is that the complete drivel spouted by Timba is nothing but Israeli propaganda, which they use to hide behind while they blatantly commit bloody murder in front of the eyes of the world. From that article: ------------------------------------- The brutality of Israel's soldiers is fully matched by the mendacity of its spokesmen. Eight months before launching the current war on Gaza, Israel established a National Information Directorate. The core messages of this directorate to the media are that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreements; that Israel's objective is the defence of its population; and that Israel's forces are taking the utmost care not to hurt innocent civilians. Israel's spin doctors have been remarkably successful in getting this message across. But, in essence, their propaganda is a pack of lies. A wide gap separates the reality of Israel's actions from the rhetoric of its spokesmen. It was not Hamas but the IDF that broke the ceasefire. It did so by a raid into Gaza on 4 November that killed six Hamas men. Israel's objective is not just the defence of its population but the eventual overthrow of the Hamas government in Gaza by turning the people against their rulers. And far from taking care to spare civilians, Israel is guilty of indiscriminate bombing and of a three-year-old blockade that has brought the inhabitants of Gaza, now 1.5 million, to the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. -------------------------------------- Like hellomum, I would urge everyone to read this article written by Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim who served in the Israeli army in the mid 1960's. Finally, I would add that I cannot see where hellomum made any kind of personal insult against Timba - he (quite rightly imo) highlighted the danger posed by the kind of people Timba aligned himself with when he made his post. |
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spirit
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by spirit on Jan 10, 2009 16:43:40 GMT 1, Silky - please can you tell us exactly how many people complained about this thread yesterday, leading you to temporarily close the thread down (not who, just how many).
I find it very interesting that while there has been very little public justification of the Israeli position in this thread, it sounds like there was a significant attempt at behind the scenes censoring of the views being expressed in it.
Not surprising really - it's pretty hard to defend the indefensible. Much easier to just try and hide the truth.
Silky - please can you tell us exactly how many people complained about this thread yesterday, leading you to temporarily close the thread down (not who, just how many).
I find it very interesting that while there has been very little public justification of the Israeli position in this thread, it sounds like there was a significant attempt at behind the scenes censoring of the views being expressed in it.
Not surprising really - it's pretty hard to defend the indefensible. Much easier to just try and hide the truth.
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Heavyconsumer
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by Heavyconsumer on Jan 10, 2009 17:32:34 GMT 1, There can never be justification for bloodshed, but imo taking the side of either Israel OR Palestine is perpetuating violence. Anyone who is truly pro-peace would surely condemn the actions of both sides open-midedly, rather than comparing bodycounts (which will always incriminate the greater military force). I find it frustrating reading the bias and short-sightedness that crops up each and every time these political threads are started. I have no problem with freedom of choice or opinion, but the ignorance and one-sidedness that people demonstrate with posts in support of either side of this conflict is mind-boggling. It's clear that Palestinians (not the people themselves, but the authorities along with the other Islamic extremists in the region - because that is who Hamas are) have no wish to live along side Israel in peace, just as it's clear that Israel will continue to defend what it considers its' right to exist. So whichever horse you back, you're backing bloodshed. Surely both parties need to examine the CURRENT situation rather than focusing on past rights and wrongs and find a path to a peaceful future!?!? That is the ONLY possible alternative to continuing violence. If people continue to refuse to look towards the future and insist instead on focusing on the past, blame games, violence and always seeking the upper hand, there can be no end to what is a complex and long-standing conflict. A conflict not resolvable with simplistic views and heated emotions.
As for the works of Banksy in the region, I think you should all ask yourselves whether his agenda is pro-peace and anti-violence, or pro-Hamas and anti-Israel. I'm certainly no Zionist, but I also find it difficult to be sucked in by death counts enough to sympathise with a Palistinian government that is happy to commit the crimes Hamas has in the past. I hate the violence far more than I'm concerned with politics or National borders or religious differences, none of which have any real value when weighed up against this absurd loss of life and cauldron of hatred that persists.
In this world where we all have so much in common, why do people insist on warring over the differences that mae the world the culturally beautiful place it is? They're all barbarians! And so is anyone choosing an allegiance to either side imo. That's not a route to peace.
There can never be justification for bloodshed, but imo taking the side of either Israel OR Palestine is perpetuating violence. Anyone who is truly pro-peace would surely condemn the actions of both sides open-midedly, rather than comparing bodycounts (which will always incriminate the greater military force). I find it frustrating reading the bias and short-sightedness that crops up each and every time these political threads are started. I have no problem with freedom of choice or opinion, but the ignorance and one-sidedness that people demonstrate with posts in support of either side of this conflict is mind-boggling. It's clear that Palestinians (not the people themselves, but the authorities along with the other Islamic extremists in the region - because that is who Hamas are) have no wish to live along side Israel in peace, just as it's clear that Israel will continue to defend what it considers its' right to exist. So whichever horse you back, you're backing bloodshed. Surely both parties need to examine the CURRENT situation rather than focusing on past rights and wrongs and find a path to a peaceful future!?!? That is the ONLY possible alternative to continuing violence. If people continue to refuse to look towards the future and insist instead on focusing on the past, blame games, violence and always seeking the upper hand, there can be no end to what is a complex and long-standing conflict. A conflict not resolvable with simplistic views and heated emotions.
As for the works of Banksy in the region, I think you should all ask yourselves whether his agenda is pro-peace and anti-violence, or pro-Hamas and anti-Israel. I'm certainly no Zionist, but I also find it difficult to be sucked in by death counts enough to sympathise with a Palistinian government that is happy to commit the crimes Hamas has in the past. I hate the violence far more than I'm concerned with politics or National borders or religious differences, none of which have any real value when weighed up against this absurd loss of life and cauldron of hatred that persists.
In this world where we all have so much in common, why do people insist on warring over the differences that mae the world the culturally beautiful place it is? They're all barbarians! And so is anyone choosing an allegiance to either side imo. That's not a route to peace.
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by Daniel Silk on Jan 10, 2009 18:24:42 GMT 1, Silky - please can you tell us exactly how many people complained about this thread yesterday, leading you to temporarily close the thread down (not who, just how many). I find it very interesting that while there has been very little public justification of the Israeli position in this thread, it sounds like there was a significant attempt at behind the scenes censoring of the views being expressed in it. Not surprising really - it's pretty hard to defend the indefensible. Much easier to just try and hide the truth.
I had three complaints, and then I think about three complaints about it being locked. Not that the numbers really make any difference 
If your interested in my point of view on the subject of this thread - I would say Israel has created most of these problems themselves, and the attacks against them are just a form of self defence. Just as in a similar way attacks on America and the UK could be justified by the problems we/they have created in countries around the world.
I in no way wanted to halt the discussion on this subject, and as you might not have noticed I even bumped a thread earlier today that was also on the same subject that was from last week ;D
Hope that clears it all up ;D Thanks!
Silky - please can you tell us exactly how many people complained about this thread yesterday, leading you to temporarily close the thread down (not who, just how many). I find it very interesting that while there has been very little public justification of the Israeli position in this thread, it sounds like there was a significant attempt at behind the scenes censoring of the views being expressed in it. Not surprising really - it's pretty hard to defend the indefensible. Much easier to just try and hide the truth. I had three complaints, and then I think about three complaints about it being locked. Not that the numbers really make any difference If your interested in my point of view on the subject of this thread - I would say Israel has created most of these problems themselves, and the attacks against them are just a form of self defence. Just as in a similar way attacks on America and the UK could be justified by the problems we/they have created in countries around the world. I in no way wanted to halt the discussion on this subject, and as you might not have noticed I even bumped a thread earlier today that was also on the same subject that was from last week ;D Hope that clears it all up ;D Thanks! |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by dill on Jan 10, 2009 18:29:44 GMT 1, heavyconsumer... good post I completely agree
heavyconsumer... good post I completely agree
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by Daniel Silk on Jan 10, 2009 18:35:58 GMT 1, heavyconsumer... good post I completely agree
Agree! much better put than I could ever do 
heavyconsumer... good post I completely agree Agree! much better put than I could ever do |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by giiiant on Jan 10, 2009 19:45:29 GMT 1, There can never be justification for bloodshed, but imo taking the side of either Israel OR Palestine is perpetuating violence. Anyone who is truly pro-peace would surely condemn the actions of both sides open-midedly, rather than comparing bodycounts (which will always incriminate the greater military force). I find it frustrating reading the bias and short-sightedness that crops up each and every time these political threads are started. I have no problem with freedom of choice or opinion, but the ignorance and one-sidedness that people demonstrate with posts in support of either side of this conflict is mind-boggling. It's clear that Palestinians (not the people themselves, but the authorities along with the other Islamic extremists in the region - because that is who Hamas are) have no wish to live along side Israel in peace, just as it's clear that Israel will continue to defend what it considers its' right to exist. So whichever horse you back, you're backing bloodshed. Surely both parties need to examine the CURRENT situation rather than focusing on past rights and wrongs and find a path to a peaceful future!?!? That is the ONLY possible alternative to continuing violence. If people continue to refuse to look towards the future and insist instead on focusing on the past, blame games, violence and always seeking the upper hand, there can be no end to what is a complex and long-standing conflict. A conflict not resolvable with simplistic views and heated emotions. As for the works of Banksy in the region, I think you should all ask yourselves whether his agenda is pro-peace and anti-violence, or pro-Hamas and anti-Israel. I'm certainly no Zionist, but I also find it difficult to be sucked in by death counts enough to sympathise with a Palistinian government that is happy to commit the crimes Hamas has in the past. I hate the violence far more than I'm concerned with politics or National borders or religious differences, none of which have any real value when weighed up against this absurd loss of life and cauldron of hatred that persists. In this world where we all have so much in common, why do people insist on warring over the differences that mae the world the culturally beautiful place it is? They're all barbarians! And so is anyone choosing an allegiance to either side imo. That's not a route to peace.
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There can never be justification for bloodshed, but imo taking the side of either Israel OR Palestine is perpetuating violence. Anyone who is truly pro-peace would surely condemn the actions of both sides open-midedly, rather than comparing bodycounts (which will always incriminate the greater military force). I find it frustrating reading the bias and short-sightedness that crops up each and every time these political threads are started. I have no problem with freedom of choice or opinion, but the ignorance and one-sidedness that people demonstrate with posts in support of either side of this conflict is mind-boggling. It's clear that Palestinians (not the people themselves, but the authorities along with the other Islamic extremists in the region - because that is who Hamas are) have no wish to live along side Israel in peace, just as it's clear that Israel will continue to defend what it considers its' right to exist. So whichever horse you back, you're backing bloodshed. Surely both parties need to examine the CURRENT situation rather than focusing on past rights and wrongs and find a path to a peaceful future!?!? That is the ONLY possible alternative to continuing violence. If people continue to refuse to look towards the future and insist instead on focusing on the past, blame games, violence and always seeking the upper hand, there can be no end to what is a complex and long-standing conflict. A conflict not resolvable with simplistic views and heated emotions. As for the works of Banksy in the region, I think you should all ask yourselves whether his agenda is pro-peace and anti-violence, or pro-Hamas and anti-Israel. I'm certainly no Zionist, but I also find it difficult to be sucked in by death counts enough to sympathise with a Palistinian government that is happy to commit the crimes Hamas has in the past. I hate the violence far more than I'm concerned with politics or National borders or religious differences, none of which have any real value when weighed up against this absurd loss of life and cauldron of hatred that persists. In this world where we all have so much in common, why do people insist on warring over the differences that mae the world the culturally beautiful place it is? They're all barbarians! And so is anyone choosing an allegiance to either side imo. That's not a route to peace. 10/10 |
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spirit
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by spirit on Jan 10, 2009 20:01:10 GMT 1, Silky - thanks for clearing that up.
HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid.
Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well.
Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table.
You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house!
I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy.
You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!!
I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no).
You say: WTF! and try and throw me out
I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room.
You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself.
I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc
You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won"
For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic.
I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.
Silky - thanks for clearing that up.
HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid.
Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well.
Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table.
You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house!
I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy.
You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!!
I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no).
You say: WTF! and try and throw me out
I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room.
You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself.
I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc
You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won"
For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic.
I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by hero on Jan 10, 2009 20:06:56 GMT 1, Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.
i think that is one of the best explanations I have ever heard!
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Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am. i think that is one of the best explanations I have ever heard! H |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by havana07 on Jan 10, 2009 20:27:37 GMT 1, Silky - thanks for clearing that up. HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid. Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well. Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.
... 10/10!!!!!!!
Silky - thanks for clearing that up. HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid. Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well. Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am. ... 10/10!!!!!!! |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by BunnyBoiler on Jan 10, 2009 20:35:11 GMT 1, Silky - thanks for clearing that up. HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid. Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well. Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.
Thanks for that spirit...
Sadly that's how it is... And that's how its seen by the Arab Palestinian living there being Muslims and Christian Palestinian.
Silky - thanks for clearing that up. HC - Good post and I agree with some of what you say - but not all of it I'm afraid. Firstly, your emphasis to focus on the CURRENT situation rather than past right and wrongs. If you were talking about an argument between two equal states with two independent homelands (eg Britain & France) I would agree with you, but that logic does not work so well when applied to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it fails to recognise one's status as the Occupier and the other as the Occupied. Neither does it recognise who is the victim and who is the perpetrator (in terms of the big picture). Neither does it recognise the continuous expansion of Israel into ever smaller Palestinian areas through settlement expansion and the bulldozing of Palestinian homes - using your "Current" situation Logic, the longer Israel can put of making a peace agreement, the better off it will be - which it knows full well. Imagine this scenario - You come home from work tomorrow to find me sitting on your sofa, drinking your beer, watching your TV with my feet on your table. You say: WTF? Get the f**k out of my house! I say: It's actually my house now, you see it was given to me by the tooth fairy. You say: WTF? f**k off you nutter - It's my house - I was born here, it's been in my family for generations!! I say: Stop focussing on the past and lets talk about the CURRENT situation. I'm here now and it's my house. Tell you what though, I'm a reasonable guy, I'll let you live in that small box room at the back - you know the one with no heating or electrics. However, I'll keep the room locked and hold onto the key - if you need to go to the toilet or get food you will need to get my special permission - expect that to take anything up to 3 days to process (and I might well say no). You say: WTF! and try and throw me out I then beat the s**t out of you and take and sell all your prints to teach you a lesson, divide the box room in half and make you a new offer to live in the even smaller box room. You say: You f**ker! you nicked my house, sold my prints, and even divided the small box room you confined me to in half - At least before I had all the box room to myself. I say: stop focussing on the past - lets talk about the current situation...etc etc You see the problem? even if we eventually end up coming to an agreement, you will have "lost" and I will have "won" For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am. Thanks for that spirit... Sadly that's how it is... And that's how its seen by the Arab Palestinian living there being Muslims and Christian Palestinian. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by skelly on Jan 10, 2009 21:24:30 GMT 1, Some great posts...I liked Heavyconsumer's post quite a bit considering I haven't really thought about it from that perspective before.
Some great posts...I liked Heavyconsumer's post quite a bit considering I haven't really thought about it from that perspective before.
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by daveart on Jan 10, 2009 21:26:48 GMT 1, <For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic.
I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.>
this is all well and good.. but .. from a far far away place i read this thread and wonder why the issue of Israel keeps popping up. i took a quick peek at :
www.refugeesinternational.org/where-we-work
and find theft and murder and warfare around the globe on far far bigger scales than what you all are talking about here in gaza.
soo... why does this get all the play?
surely someone has larger agendas or should i say hidden agendas .. than just peace.
i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art .. rather than getting a political opinion thread going ever other day. surely there are other sites for this?? or at least spread it around a bit. if you must talk about strife around the world.. what do you all feel about Somalia where this organization claims..
"Somalia is the worldโs worst humanitarian disaster and aid agencies are unable to respond to the immense scale of needs."
without other agendas at play.. would not this deserves more air time than any other conflict in the world.
<For the record I'm certainly not pro Hamas. Nor am I anti-semitic. I am anti-theft and anti-murder. And the more theft and murder someone commits, the more anti them I am.> this is all well and good.. but .. from a far far away place i read this thread and wonder why the issue of Israel keeps popping up. i took a quick peek at : www.refugeesinternational.org/where-we-workand find theft and murder and warfare around the globe on far far bigger scales than what you all are talking about here in gaza. soo... why does this get all the play? surely someone has larger agendas or should i say hidden agendas .. than just peace. i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art .. rather than getting a political opinion thread going ever other day. surely there are other sites for this?? or at least spread it around a bit. if you must talk about strife around the world.. what do you all feel about Somalia where this organization claims.. "Somalia is the worldโs worst humanitarian disaster and aid agencies are unable to respond to the immense scale of needs." without other agendas at play.. would not this deserves more air time than any other conflict in the world. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by spirit on Jan 10, 2009 22:56:42 GMT 1, You are right to state that Gaza is by no means the only example of warfare and injustice going on in the world.
Why is Gaza getting all the attention now? - because it's on the front page of every newspaper, every news website, and is the leading story on every TV news station. Why is that? - simply because it's news - by that I mean the situation there has CHANGED dramatically in the last two weeks. And NEWs thrives on change.
The situation in Somalia has not changed dramatically recently. Yes it's bad, very bad. However, the situation in Somalia is a CIVIL war, fought between two sides who are roughly equal in terms of their military hardware and technology (if not numbers). It is a struggle for power in Somalia, not a fight between two different peoples over one bit of land. It is not a fight between the very strong and the very weak. Somalia is a 3rd world country, Israel is a developed country and I guess that makes it more relevant to the lives of those who live in the developed world (right or wrong as that may be).
To use a (very) simplified analogy again, witnessing the current conflict in Gaza is like walking down the street and seeing a man beating up a child - it makes one feel horrified.
Witnessing the conflict in Somalia is a bit like walking down the street and seeing two drunks having a go at each other. It's not nice, but you are more inclined to let them get on with it.
Would you mind stating clearly what you suspect the "hidden agenda" is that you refer to?
And by trying to silence/move this topic elsewhere, and change the subject to a different one, would it not be reasonable to suppose that you might have an agenda of your own?
You are right to state that Gaza is by no means the only example of warfare and injustice going on in the world.
Why is Gaza getting all the attention now? - because it's on the front page of every newspaper, every news website, and is the leading story on every TV news station. Why is that? - simply because it's news - by that I mean the situation there has CHANGED dramatically in the last two weeks. And NEWs thrives on change.
The situation in Somalia has not changed dramatically recently. Yes it's bad, very bad. However, the situation in Somalia is a CIVIL war, fought between two sides who are roughly equal in terms of their military hardware and technology (if not numbers). It is a struggle for power in Somalia, not a fight between two different peoples over one bit of land. It is not a fight between the very strong and the very weak. Somalia is a 3rd world country, Israel is a developed country and I guess that makes it more relevant to the lives of those who live in the developed world (right or wrong as that may be).
To use a (very) simplified analogy again, witnessing the current conflict in Gaza is like walking down the street and seeing a man beating up a child - it makes one feel horrified.
Witnessing the conflict in Somalia is a bit like walking down the street and seeing two drunks having a go at each other. It's not nice, but you are more inclined to let them get on with it.
Would you mind stating clearly what you suspect the "hidden agenda" is that you refer to?
And by trying to silence/move this topic elsewhere, and change the subject to a different one, would it not be reasonable to suppose that you might have an agenda of your own?
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by guest2 on Jan 10, 2009 23:45:00 GMT 1, i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art .. rather than getting a political opinion thread going ever other day. surely there are other sites for this??
well it's the banksy forum and alot of banksys pictures are political slurs and I'm pretty sure in saying that he is very much against the occupation of palestine and the palestine cause so I guess this is the perfect place for such a discussion. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Personally I'm appalled by the mass loss of lives to woman, children and the innocent.
i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art .. rather than getting a political opinion thread going ever other day. surely there are other sites for this?? well it's the banksy forum and alot of banksys pictures are political slurs and I'm pretty sure in saying that he is very much against the occupation of palestine and the palestine cause so I guess this is the perfect place for such a discussion. Correct me if i'm wrong. Personally I'm appalled by the mass loss of lives to woman, children and the innocent. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by daveart on Jan 10, 2009 23:46:01 GMT 1, hi spirit .. i do have an agenda.. and i stated it clearly..
"i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art "
i have no agenda to educate or sway people's opinions .. i assure you of that. i do sometimes give my own opinion.. take it or leave it .. no worries here.
and hey... if 1.3 million internally displaced people in Somalia and over 400,000 Somali refugees in neighboring countries is your idea of a couple of drunks duking it out after a night of drinking... i gotta party with you sometime! but i fear this old guy couldnt hang.. sad but true.
to your headline point.. with the UN estimating over 9million displaced people in Africa.. it does make one pause as to why the israel/palestine issue garners front page after front page.
to end on an artistic note. the Mantis I-need is the best piece of art i have seen calling the wests blind eye to the region. if anyone knows of others i would love to see that in a thread.
regards to all.
hi spirit .. i do have an agenda.. and i stated it clearly..
"i for one would be much happier if this web site stayed one topic of art "
i have no agenda to educate or sway people's opinions .. i assure you of that. i do sometimes give my own opinion.. take it or leave it .. no worries here.
and hey... if 1.3 million internally displaced people in Somalia and over 400,000 Somali refugees in neighboring countries is your idea of a couple of drunks duking it out after a night of drinking... i gotta party with you sometime! but i fear this old guy couldnt hang.. sad but true.
to your headline point.. with the UN estimating over 9million displaced people in Africa.. it does make one pause as to why the israel/palestine issue garners front page after front page.
to end on an artistic note. the Mantis I-need is the best piece of art i have seen calling the wests blind eye to the region. if anyone knows of others i would love to see that in a thread.
regards to all.
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by daveart on Jan 10, 2009 23:51:23 GMT 1, Frankie - believe me i dont have the knowledge to correct you. but i would appreciate then threads that start with a Banksy image and then yours and other people's interpretations of them. i see what you are saying in a few of them.. but... girl with balloon. dont see much palestine there. a few sure.. but can that categorize his whole body of work?
Frankie - believe me i dont have the knowledge to correct you. but i would appreciate then threads that start with a Banksy image and then yours and other people's interpretations of them. i see what you are saying in a few of them.. but... girl with balloon. dont see much palestine there. a few sure.. but can that categorize his whole body of work?
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by la on Jan 11, 2009 0:06:15 GMT 1, Israel is a country not a religion so why bring muslims into this!!! Sorry, I must have got it wrong, I thought Israel was a jewish state and palestinians were muslim, oh well I got it wrong again!! hellomum, I read the articles, very interesting, but there was nothing there, nor on any other website that I read in support of the Israeli's which justyfies the deaths on either side, ALL killing is wrong!
You did get it wrong again. Palestinians are both Muslims AND Christians
Israel is a country not a religion so why bring muslims into this!!! Sorry, I must have got it wrong, I thought Israel was a jewish state and palestinians were muslim, oh well I got it wrong again!! hellomum, I read the articles, very interesting, but there was nothing there, nor on any other website that I read in support of the Israeli's which justyfies the deaths on either side, ALL killing is wrong! You did get it wrong again. Palestinians are both Muslims AND Christians |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by funyoung on Jan 11, 2009 0:17:04 GMT 1,
Please don't make any assumptions about what I have or have not read.
hellomum has contributed more facts and reasonable discussion to this thread than anyone else.
Like 'history is littered with people like yourself'?
If you did, you would understand exactly what 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' means. It is far from inciting hatred - it is simply exposing the truth.
Sorry didn't find that sentence in the aforementioned link.
What he is essentially getting at, is that the complete drivel spouted by Timba is nothing but Israeli propaganda, which they use to hide behind while they blatantly commit bloody murder in front of the eyes of the world.
You have chosen not to address Timbas 'drivel' also.
Finally, I would add that I cannot see where hellomum made any kind of personal insult against Timba - he (quite rightly imo) highlighted the danger posed by the kind of people Timba aligned himself with when he made his post.
No personal insult?
In line with your 'have you read this - obviously not - if you had you might have found this':
"The blood of many drips from every word you write."
"I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic."
"History is littered by people like yourself"
"puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery."
"your lies cannot mask this."
"Carry on your spineless crusade."
I'd say all the above are pretty insulting.
Have a nice day.
Please don't make any assumptions about what I have or have not read. hellomum has contributed more facts and reasonable discussion to this thread than anyone else. Like 'history is littered with people like yourself'? If you did, you would understand exactly what 'The blood of many drips from every word you write' means. It is far from inciting hatred - it is simply exposing the truth. Sorry didn't find that sentence in the aforementioned link. What he is essentially getting at, is that the complete drivel spouted by Timba is nothing but Israeli propaganda, which they use to hide behind while they blatantly commit bloody murder in front of the eyes of the world. You have chosen not to address Timbas 'drivel' also. Finally, I would add that I cannot see where hellomum made any kind of personal insult against Timba - he (quite rightly imo) highlighted the danger posed by the kind of people Timba aligned himself with when he made his post. No personal insult? In line with your 'have you read this - obviously not - if you had you might have found this': "The blood of many drips from every word you write." "I suggest you research the area in question, or read the other threads regarding the topic." "History is littered by people like yourself" "puts you in the same league as the likes of Nazi sympathizes, South African Apartied supports and defenders of slavery." "your lies cannot mask this." "Carry on your spineless crusade." I'd say all the above are pretty insulting. Have a nice day. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by shaunyboy on Jan 11, 2009 0:42:34 GMT 1, If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza.
Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as.
If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza.
Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as.
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by remirough on Jan 11, 2009 0:47:05 GMT 1, If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza. Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as.
A little one sided don't you think?
Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either?
Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight...
How things change eh?
If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza. Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as. A little one sided don't you think? Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either? Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight... How things change eh? |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by shaunyboy on Jan 11, 2009 0:51:49 GMT 1, If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza. Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as. A little one sided don't you think? Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either? Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight... How things change eh?
Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice.
This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly.
Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as.
If Banksy was in London today I have no doubt that he would have been on the march against the slaughter in Gaza. Until there is justice for Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as. A little one sided don't you think? Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either? Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight... How things change eh? Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice. This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly. Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by remirough on Jan 11, 2009 0:54:28 GMT 1, A little one sided don't you think? Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either? Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight... How things change eh? Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice. This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly. Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as.
What are you? Banksy's PR or something?
It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know...
I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other.
A little one sided don't you think? Yes, the Israelis outgun the Palestinians. But the Palestinians won't stop sending in suicide bombers either? Funny how the Jews were the most abused race on the planet during World War 2 and The Palestinian's Moorish ancestors were looting their way through Southern Europe, conquering everything in sight... How things change eh? Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice. This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly. Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as. What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by shaunyboy on Jan 11, 2009 1:00:38 GMT 1, Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice. This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly. Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as. What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other.
Thankfully Banksy doesn't need any PR.
He lets his art do the talking.
I am sure that very, very shortly he will do just that.
This is no war.
This is the slaughter of hundreds of women, children and men in Gaza.
Until there is justice in Palestine there will be no peace.
Simple as.
Absolutely and utterly totally one sided. I am on the side of humanity and justice. This is the time to stand up and be counted and I have no doubt at all that Banksy will do this very shortly. Until there is justice there will be no peace. Simple as. What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. Thankfully Banksy doesn't need any PR. He lets his art do the talking. I am sure that very, very shortly he will do just that. This is no war. This is the slaughter of hundreds of women, children and men in Gaza. Until there is justice in Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as. |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by remirough on Jan 11, 2009 1:03:25 GMT 1, What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. Thankfully Banksy doesn't need any PR. He lets his art do the talking. I am sure that very, very shortly he will do just that. This is no war. This is the slaughter of hundreds of women, children and men in Gaza. Until there is justice in Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as.
Er, yeah ok... whatever you say dude...
*nutjob*
What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. Thankfully Banksy doesn't need any PR. He lets his art do the talking. I am sure that very, very shortly he will do just that. This is no war. This is the slaughter of hundreds of women, children and men in Gaza. Until there is justice in Palestine there will be no peace. Simple as. Er, yeah ok... whatever you say dude... *nutjob* |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by BunnyBoiler on Jan 11, 2009 1:07:18 GMT 1, What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. How can you say that! over 800 Palestinians civilians have died in the last weeks... Thats as black and white as it gets for me!
What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. How can you say that! over 800 Palestinians civilians have died in the last weeks... Thats as black and white as it gets for me! |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by remirough on Jan 11, 2009 1:10:37 GMT 1, What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. How can you say that! over 800 Palestinians civilians have died in the last weeks... Thats as black and white as it gets for me! I wasn't saying I agree with Israel... I was merely pointing out that Hamas can stop it and they're not... shows how much they care about they're own people...
What are you? Banksy's PR or something? It takes 2 sides to stop a war... Not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is... There's been plenty of Palestinian suicide bombers killing Israeli Civilians too you know... I take no side whatsoever... but imo, they're both as bad as each other. How can you say that! over 800 Palestinians civilians have died in the last weeks... Thats as black and white as it gets for me! I wasn't saying I agree with Israel... I was merely pointing out that Hamas can stop it and they're not... shows how much they care about they're own people... |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by BunnyBoiler on Jan 11, 2009 1:11:23 GMT 1,
pot calling the kettle black...
funny
pot calling the kettle black... funny |
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I WILL DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE SLAUGHTER IN GAZA!, by slowmo on Jan 11, 2009 1:13:27 GMT 1, How about a bit of grey? Here is a map, Look at the invasion dates from all angles, consider that Isreal had officially become a country on May 14th and as such at the time had no recognised military force, so this was a large aggressor against a small and largely defenceless opponent. Not so black and white now is it? May have been 60 years ago, but it is depressingly familiar
How about a bit of grey? Here is a map, Look at the invasion dates from all angles, consider that Isreal had officially become a country on May 14th and as such at the time had no recognised military force, so this was a large aggressor against a small and largely defenceless opponent. Not so black and white now is it? May have been 60 years ago, but it is depressingly familiar |
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