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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by chod66666 on Sept 30, 2008 13:17:50 GMT 1, Here is the text that goes with it.
A number of works by guerrilla artist Banksy have failed to sell at a modern art auction in London.
Fungle Junk - a mural painted on the side of a van - was expected to make ยฃ150,000 but was withdrawn after a bid of half that price was made.
A spokesman for auctioneer Lyon and Turnbull said the artist's refusal to authenticate the works was to blame.
The modern art sale's "disappointing" outcome was also put down to the current economic climate.
Some 80% of the lots at the auction failed to sale, according to Ben Hanly, Lyon and Turnbull's contemporary art specialist.
'Extreme caution'
A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000.
Works by other leading artists including Sam Taylor-Wood were not sold.
Enigmatic artist Banksy refused to authenticate his five works after setting up an organisation, Pest Control, to verify his art after a series of fakes were attributed to him. Gangsta Rat was expected to make up to ยฃ30,000, but was unsold
He has also expressed a dislike for his street art being removed from its original setting.
But the auction house said it was sure the work was genuine and it decided to go ahead without official verification.
Of other main lots by Banksy, only Bomb Middle England sold for ยฃ13,000, while a number of prints were auctioned off for relatively small amounts.
On its website, Pest Control said that since its creation in January, 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints attributed to Banksy had turned out to be fake.
"Pest Control does not authenticate street pieces because Banksy prefers street work to remain in situ and building owners tend to become irate when their doors go missing because of a stencil," it said.
"He would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals."
Here is the text that goes with it.
A number of works by guerrilla artist Banksy have failed to sell at a modern art auction in London.
Fungle Junk - a mural painted on the side of a van - was expected to make ยฃ150,000 but was withdrawn after a bid of half that price was made.
A spokesman for auctioneer Lyon and Turnbull said the artist's refusal to authenticate the works was to blame.
The modern art sale's "disappointing" outcome was also put down to the current economic climate.
Some 80% of the lots at the auction failed to sale, according to Ben Hanly, Lyon and Turnbull's contemporary art specialist.
'Extreme caution'
A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000.
Works by other leading artists including Sam Taylor-Wood were not sold.
Enigmatic artist Banksy refused to authenticate his five works after setting up an organisation, Pest Control, to verify his art after a series of fakes were attributed to him. Gangsta Rat was expected to make up to ยฃ30,000, but was unsold
He has also expressed a dislike for his street art being removed from its original setting.
But the auction house said it was sure the work was genuine and it decided to go ahead without official verification.
Of other main lots by Banksy, only Bomb Middle England sold for ยฃ13,000, while a number of prints were auctioned off for relatively small amounts.
On its website, Pest Control said that since its creation in January, 89 street pieces and 137 screen prints attributed to Banksy had turned out to be fake.
"Pest Control does not authenticate street pieces because Banksy prefers street work to remain in situ and building owners tend to become irate when their doors go missing because of a stencil," it said.
"He would encourage anyone wanting to purchase one of his images to do so with extreme caution, but does point out that many copies are superior in quality to the originals."
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by Billy Sport on Sept 30, 2008 13:19:49 GMT 1, "But the auction house said it was sure the work was genuine and it decided to go ahead without official verification" quote BBC
hey, are they going to be threatened with legal action then? really says it all (or not) about vermin.. lol....
"But the auction house said it was sure the work was genuine and it decided to go ahead without official verification" quote BBC
hey, are they going to be threatened with legal action then? really says it all (or not) about vermin.. lol....
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by mishco on Sept 30, 2008 13:22:38 GMT 1, i really wouldn't have thought legal action was necessary now, vermin will never be used again after this.........end of
i really wouldn't have thought legal action was necessary now, vermin will never be used again after this.........end of
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by Billy Sport on Sept 30, 2008 13:27:11 GMT 1, the legal action comment was aimed at certain persons coming on, threatening board members with libel action....
the legal action comment was aimed at certain persons coming on, threatening board members with libel action....
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by Michael Jacob on Sept 30, 2008 13:41:06 GMT 1, billy, great avatar!
as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime.
billy, great avatar!
as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by curiousgeorge on Sept 30, 2008 13:45:25 GMT 1, billy, great avatar! as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime.
Agreed!!
I think it would also be obvious/right thing to do, to list which prints (137) are affected? Or is it a secret?
billy, great avatar! as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime. Agreed!! I think it would also be obvious/right thing to do, to list which prints (137) are affected? Or is it a secret?
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by pfffffffffft on Sept 30, 2008 13:52:19 GMT 1, What the "journalists" are missing here is 80% of the works failed to sell at this auction. That is almost unheard of. Although the economy is rough we have seen some recent auctions, such as Hirst, do very well.
I think the 80% unsold is due to the negative publicity over this and apparently some works donated to a pub to be auctioned that the artists are angry over. I think this puts more into question Lyon's credibility as opposed to confidence in the market. However I suppose the next few auctions, Bonhams/Dreweatts will be the tellers.
What the "journalists" are missing here is 80% of the works failed to sell at this auction. That is almost unheard of. Although the economy is rough we have seen some recent auctions, such as Hirst, do very well.
I think the 80% unsold is due to the negative publicity over this and apparently some works donated to a pub to be auctioned that the artists are angry over. I think this puts more into question Lyon's credibility as opposed to confidence in the market. However I suppose the next few auctions, Bonhams/Dreweatts will be the tellers.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by dmf on Sept 30, 2008 14:27:32 GMT 1, What were the prints that sold 'for little amount'??!!
What were the prints that sold 'for little amount'??!!
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by dmf on Sept 30, 2008 14:35:47 GMT 1, Don't worry found it!
Don't worry found it!
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by Grubster on Sept 30, 2008 14:37:35 GMT 1, F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard.
Still has mad skills as an artist tho
F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard.
Still has mad skills as an artist tho
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by seidbereit on Sept 30, 2008 14:45:26 GMT 1, ...... A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000. ......
Eh?
...... A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000. ...... Eh?
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by rhodesy2112 on Sept 30, 2008 15:13:58 GMT 1, F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard.
My god, you're right...!! I really hadn't thought about it like that!
F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard. My god, you're right...!! I really hadn't thought about it like that!
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 15:28:21 GMT 1, F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard. Still has mad skills as an artist tho aww geez, you're about to make some enemies.
Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive.
I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses.
F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard. Still has mad skills as an artist tho aww geez, you're about to make some enemies. Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive. I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by pfffffffffft on Sept 30, 2008 15:46:30 GMT 1, Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive. I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses.
The Vermin pieces got 1 bid each with one exception, one lot getting 3 bids. I wouldnt consider that a vote of confidence.
Again, I personally think 80% of the lots at Lyon didnt sell due to their being not one but two rather large, negatively publicized stories out of that auction.
Taking out the Lyon auction, there were 16 Banksy lots at auction in Sept. All prints except two sprays on paper or cardboard.
The lots that didnt sell? silver flag, gold flag, bomb hugger, and the rat with an umbrella on cardboard which was estimated at a ridiculous amount - 53.3 x 44.5 cm - estimated at 35K to 45K GBP.
Again, I think this is more of a judgment on Lyon unless overnight everyone decided to stop buying. No doubt buying is going to suffer a bit due to the economy, but 80% across the board is unlikely. That seems to be an anomaly with Lyon versus sales at other houses. Most houses average 10 to 20% unsold, in this economy it may go to 30% but 80% speaks more to something else going on.
Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive. I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses. The Vermin pieces got 1 bid each with one exception, one lot getting 3 bids. I wouldnt consider that a vote of confidence. Again, I personally think 80% of the lots at Lyon didnt sell due to their being not one but two rather large, negatively publicized stories out of that auction. Taking out the Lyon auction, there were 16 Banksy lots at auction in Sept. All prints except two sprays on paper or cardboard. The lots that didnt sell? silver flag, gold flag, bomb hugger, and the rat with an umbrella on cardboard which was estimated at a ridiculous amount - 53.3 x 44.5 cm - estimated at 35K to 45K GBP. Again, I think this is more of a judgment on Lyon unless overnight everyone decided to stop buying. No doubt buying is going to suffer a bit due to the economy, but 80% across the board is unlikely. That seems to be an anomaly with Lyon versus sales at other houses. Most houses average 10 to 20% unsold, in this economy it may go to 30% but 80% speaks more to something else going on.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by dmandpenfold on Sept 30, 2008 15:50:26 GMT 1, ...... A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000. ...... Eh?
eh indeed, Dorothy is a plank
...... A self-portrait of Kate Moss, inscribed in blood by her former boyfriend Pete Doherty, eventually made less than its expected ยฃ40,000. ...... Eh? eh indeed, Dorothy is a plank
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 15:58:43 GMT 1, Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive. I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses. The Vermin pieces got 1 bid each with one exception, one lot getting 3 bids. I wouldnt consider that a vote of confidence. Again, I personally think 80% of the lots at Lyon didnt sell due to their being not one but two rather large, negatively publicized stories out of that auction. Taking out the Lyon auction, there were 16 Banksy lots at auction in Sept. All prints except two sprays on paper or cardboard. The lots that didnt sell? silver flag, gold flag, bomb hugger, and the rat with an umbrella on cardboard which was estimated at a ridiculous amount - 53.3 x 44.5 cm - estimated at 35K to 45K GBP. Again, I think this is more of a judgment on Lyon unless overnight everyone decided to stop buying. I disagree, I think contemporary art collectors could care less about some stupid row Banksy has about some pieces in the auction. I think the fact that stocks had their worst day ever this week, housing prices released this month saw a record decline, banks are failing left and right and companies are laying off people every week is a bigger factor, but eh, no way to tell for sure.
Anyway, I think a very telling point of this all is that 80% of the lots went unsold even by pretty major artists and the fact that the Vermin pieces got some bids despite the turmoil and the crashing market is a little impressive. I know the Hirst auction went well due to the circus like spectacle of it all and the incentives to get white cube and other Hirst dealers to get their clients bidding but I think as we get back to the normal auction season we're unfortunately going to see anything that's not really strong, special or iconic get trashed at auction. There have already been a couple auction disasters this year at major auction houses. The Vermin pieces got 1 bid each with one exception, one lot getting 3 bids. I wouldnt consider that a vote of confidence. Again, I personally think 80% of the lots at Lyon didnt sell due to their being not one but two rather large, negatively publicized stories out of that auction. Taking out the Lyon auction, there were 16 Banksy lots at auction in Sept. All prints except two sprays on paper or cardboard. The lots that didnt sell? silver flag, gold flag, bomb hugger, and the rat with an umbrella on cardboard which was estimated at a ridiculous amount - 53.3 x 44.5 cm - estimated at 35K to 45K GBP. Again, I think this is more of a judgment on Lyon unless overnight everyone decided to stop buying. I disagree, I think contemporary art collectors could care less about some stupid row Banksy has about some pieces in the auction. I think the fact that stocks had their worst day ever this week, housing prices released this month saw a record decline, banks are failing left and right and companies are laying off people every week is a bigger factor, but eh, no way to tell for sure.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by leumasdarnley on Sept 30, 2008 16:09:01 GMT 1, F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard. Still has mad skills as an artist tho
Banksy doesn't do his street pieces like say Neate where he creates a piece which is meant to be taken. Banksy does his art for the people and if some low life cock sucker takes it to sell at auction well I can see why he doesn't want to fleece there pockets. So IMO his view is hey anyone can own one of my street pieces but I'm not going to create an easy avenue for you to sell them. Example Banksy goes out and for all of us does a mural I see it first go down remove it. Does that entitle me to 50k+ I don't get the thought process homeless or not the art was never intended to be taken. And if it is taken well then enjoy it but good luck selling it at auction.
F this...Banksy is an absolute douche ! What person who has gotten his fame, fortune, and wealth from doing what they love because of ppl like us who collect there stuff then turn around and say you can do this but not that; this is real but thatss not, I don't feel like authenticating those b/c they belong on the street. Who the fuk do you think you are Banksy? what you own the Streets? blow me! and it's about time some1 spoke up about this.... And you mean to tell me in times like theese and the world we live in if Banksy was just a broke ass street artist and ran accross a banksy street piece he wouldn't try and snag it? giv me a break, wata a supertentious bastard. Still has mad skills as an artist tho Banksy doesn't do his street pieces like say Neate where he creates a piece which is meant to be taken. Banksy does his art for the people and if some low life cock sucker takes it to sell at auction well I can see why he doesn't want to fleece there pockets. So IMO his view is hey anyone can own one of my street pieces but I'm not going to create an easy avenue for you to sell them. Example Banksy goes out and for all of us does a mural I see it first go down remove it. Does that entitle me to 50k+ I don't get the thought process homeless or not the art was never intended to be taken. And if it is taken well then enjoy it but good luck selling it at auction.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by pfffffffffft on Sept 30, 2008 16:09:52 GMT 1, I disagree, I think contemporary art collectors could care less about some stupid row Banksy has about some pieces in the auction. I think the fact that stocks had their worst day ever this week, housing prices released this month saw a record decline, banks are failing left and right and companies are laying off people every week is a bigger factor, but eh, no way to tell for sure.
I just totaled the two most recent sothebys and christies auctions, instead of 20%, they averaged 35% unsold. Auctions that happened yesterday and the day before. No where near the 80% that Lyon saw.
Just to clarify, the market is rough and if you are looking at almost double the average unsold across the board then yes things are bad but 80% is well beyond what seems to be the average unsold right now thus pointing to a much larger issue with that auction.
I disagree, I think contemporary art collectors could care less about some stupid row Banksy has about some pieces in the auction. I think the fact that stocks had their worst day ever this week, housing prices released this month saw a record decline, banks are failing left and right and companies are laying off people every week is a bigger factor, but eh, no way to tell for sure. I just totaled the two most recent sothebys and christies auctions, instead of 20%, they averaged 35% unsold. Auctions that happened yesterday and the day before. No where near the 80% that Lyon saw. Just to clarify, the market is rough and if you are looking at almost double the average unsold across the board then yes things are bad but 80% is well beyond what seems to be the average unsold right now thus pointing to a much larger issue with that auction.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 16:22:30 GMT 1, 35% is pretty huge for the big two auction houses though and they are much more likely to get lots in that are iconic and quintessential (and like I said I think those lots will do fine avergae stuff will get squashed) where as L&T isn't going to get that must have iconic stuff โโโ throw in several lots that got killed due to Banksy crying about them and there you go 80%. Plus there was a contemporary sale at Philiips a couple months ago where a huge amount of lots went unsold. Anyway whatever...
35% is pretty huge for the big two auction houses though and they are much more likely to get lots in that are iconic and quintessential (and like I said I think those lots will do fine avergae stuff will get squashed) where as L&T isn't going to get that must have iconic stuff โโโ throw in several lots that got killed due to Banksy crying about them and there you go 80%. Plus there was a contemporary sale at Philiips a couple months ago where a huge amount of lots went unsold. Anyway whatever...
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by alsbabar on Sept 30, 2008 16:24:39 GMT 1, snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week.
Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works
snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week.
Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by pfffffffffft on Sept 30, 2008 16:27:03 GMT 1, 35% is pretty huge for the big two auction houses though and they are much more likely to get lots in that are iconic and quintessential (and like I said I think those lots will do fine avergae stuff will get squashed) where as L&T isn't going to get that must have iconic stuff โโโ throw in several lots that got killed due to Banksy crying about them and there you go 80%. Plus there was a contemporary sale at Philiips a couple months ago where a huge amount of lots went unsold. Anyway whatever...
Neither of the auctions I totaled had many pieces worth over 100K USD. In fact in only one of the 2 I checked had one piece that sold at 266K everything else was 92K or less. These were all mid range auctions with lots selling around 3K up. You can go and check both sites yourself.
Again, 35% is double the average indicating everyone being spooked by the financial meltdown but no where near the 80% unsold at lyon. 80% is a Lyon issue.
The Phillips auction on Sept 25 had 29% unsold.
35% is pretty huge for the big two auction houses though and they are much more likely to get lots in that are iconic and quintessential (and like I said I think those lots will do fine avergae stuff will get squashed) where as L&T isn't going to get that must have iconic stuff โโโ throw in several lots that got killed due to Banksy crying about them and there you go 80%. Plus there was a contemporary sale at Philiips a couple months ago where a huge amount of lots went unsold. Anyway whatever... Neither of the auctions I totaled had many pieces worth over 100K USD. In fact in only one of the 2 I checked had one piece that sold at 266K everything else was 92K or less. These were all mid range auctions with lots selling around 3K up. You can go and check both sites yourself. Again, 35% is double the average indicating everyone being spooked by the financial meltdown but no where near the 80% unsold at lyon. 80% is a Lyon issue. The Phillips auction on Sept 25 had 29% unsold.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 16:32:49 GMT 1, Well I guess your right then. Congratulations
Well I guess your right then. Congratulations
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by funster on Sept 30, 2008 16:35:14 GMT 1, billy, great avatar! as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime. Agreed!! I think it would also be obvious/right thing to do, to list which prints (137) are affected? Or is it a secret?
It's all of the early ones, and affected far, far more than 137.
billy, great avatar! as for pest control, they need to approve or not approve any piece put infront of them. They cant just say they wont authenticate. If they see it, and its fake, they need to tag it and keep record of it. Doing nothing is a crime. Agreed!! I think it would also be obvious/right thing to do, to list which prints (137) are affected? Or is it a secret? It's all of the early ones, and affected far, far more than 137.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 16:35:15 GMT 1, snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me.
snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by alsbabar on Sept 30, 2008 16:38:50 GMT 1, snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me.
you promise?
snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me. you promise?
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by buffin on Sept 30, 2008 16:42:15 GMT 1, snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me.
Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist?
snausages, you seem to follow threads around like flies around s**t, and all you keep doing is harp on negatively about Banksy, like you have some bee in your bonnet - i would rather you just came out and said what is really bothering you, then bleat out the same miserable garbage you have been spewing out this week. Why dont you just burn your prints and be done with him/it, failing that, i will pay you cost price for them and then that way you wont have to be that aggreived by having any of his works What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me. Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist?
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 16:47:35 GMT 1, Well I guess your right then. Congratulations Give it a rest, you seem to continue to talk out your ass when I continue to come back and provide facts and have been quite respectful about it. Then when the facts prove you wrong apparently I warrant a snotty eye roll.
Yes the almighty lord Banksy had spoken and contemporary collectors went running and screaming. That's all you have to consider in your world I suppose? Yes my points are completely invalid. I guess.
Well I guess your right then. Congratulations Give it a rest, you seem to continue to talk out your ass when I continue to come back and provide facts and have been quite respectful about it. Then when the facts prove you wrong apparently I warrant a snotty eye roll. Yes the almighty lord Banksy had spoken and contemporary collectors went running and screaming. That's all you have to consider in your world I suppose? Yes my points are completely invalid. I guess.
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by snausages on Sept 30, 2008 16:48:55 GMT 1, What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me. Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist? When did I say I have no respect for Banksy. I just said I think he's a hypocrite.
Doesn't mean me & you can't be friends! ;D Does it?
What has your buddy mrxmas not been posting enough recently so you're latching on to me to harasss? What is it about you that you have to interject in EVERYTHING even when no one is talking to you? Please get a life as this is the last time you should expect a reply from me. Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist? When did I say I have no respect for Banksy. I just said I think he's a hypocrite. Doesn't mean me & you can't be friends! ;D Does it?
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Banksy's artworks fail to shift , by alsbabar on Sept 30, 2008 16:52:37 GMT 1, Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist? When did I say I have no respect for Banksy. I just said I think he's a hypocrite.
and we think you are a wanker - now jog on cuntchops
Think its you that needs to get a life matey. You have made your views very well known so why hang around when you obviously have no respect for the artist? When did I say I have no respect for Banksy. I just said I think he's a hypocrite. and we think you are a wanker - now jog on cuntchops
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