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UK General Election 2010, by monkeyart on Jan 6, 2010 0:02:34 GMT 1, Not doing to bad in Chingford and Woodford Green?
Looks lovely!
Not doing to bad in Chingford and Woodford Green?
Looks lovely!
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UK General Election 2010, by bazzj04 on Jan 6, 2010 10:30:04 GMT 1, I suggest this option , theres plenty of people here seem to have similar opinions...
How a political party should function.
www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000041.htm
Other than this, get yourself a manifesto and people who are like-minded.
Your best bet is start with candidates in local elections. Candidates in these are not required to put down a deposit; they'd just have to fork out for their own publicity material, presumably from a central fund if your burgeoning movement could attract enough wealthy patronage.
In general elections, you're required to stump up a deposit of ยฃ500 per candidate - this is only returnable if your candidate polls 5% or more of the votes.
It really is quite simple.
1. Philosophy.
2. Manifesto.
3. Members.
4. Funding.
I Have just copy and pasted this , so appolgies if it was posted by you , i doubt it though
I suggest this option , theres plenty of people here seem to have similar opinions... How a political party should function. www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000041.htmOther than this, get yourself a manifesto and people who are like-minded. Your best bet is start with candidates in local elections. Candidates in these are not required to put down a deposit; they'd just have to fork out for their own publicity material, presumably from a central fund if your burgeoning movement could attract enough wealthy patronage. In general elections, you're required to stump up a deposit of ยฃ500 per candidate - this is only returnable if your candidate polls 5% or more of the votes. It really is quite simple. 1. Philosophy. 2. Manifesto. 3. Members. 4. Funding. I Have just copy and pasted this , so appolgies if it was posted by you , i doubt it though |
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UK General Election 2010, by bazzj04 on Jan 6, 2010 10:50:41 GMT 1, monkeyart , thats a lovely place , we have been talking about Thailand for a while , you may have got yourself a customer,,,
monkeyart , thats a lovely place , we have been talking about Thailand for a while , you may have got yourself a customer,,,
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 6, 2010 12:14:47 GMT 1, do you do forum discount Monkey?
cheers
do you do forum discount Monkey? cheers |
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UK General Election 2010, by bazzj04 on Jan 6, 2010 14:02:13 GMT 1, Discount if you pay as a gift via paypal ?. ha ha
Discount if you pay as a gift via paypal ?. ha ha
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 6, 2010 14:31:22 GMT 1, Can't believe I was banned from his forum for 2 days for daring to express that the Tories weren't my party of choice. Hey ho 
Was it expressed in that fashion though? 
Can't believe I was banned from his forum for 2 days for daring to express that the Tories weren't my party of choice. Hey ho Was it expressed in that fashion though? |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 6, 2010 14:43:31 GMT 1, Was it expressed in that fashion though? not in those words exactly ;D A vote for the Tories does mark you out as a Tory, I'll leave it at that. Amazing how short people's memories are, no-one on this board lived through the 80s I guess... But it was still an opinion I should be allowed to freely express...
It's each to their own - put it this way if they could win in my constituency I'd be voting for them, as it is I'll be voting Lib Dem and hoping that they keep what is a very tight (under 2% difference) seat
My view on Thatcher is probably a bit different from yours, personally I think she sorted this country out and pulled us into modern times... But just a quick question, have you ever been to Germany? Or would you not go there because of what happened in the war?
Was it expressed in that fashion though? not in those words exactly ;D A vote for the Tories does mark you out as a Tory, I'll leave it at that. Amazing how short people's memories are, no-one on this board lived through the 80s I guess... But it was still an opinion I should be allowed to freely express... It's each to their own - put it this way if they could win in my constituency I'd be voting for them, as it is I'll be voting Lib Dem and hoping that they keep what is a very tight (under 2% difference) seat My view on Thatcher is probably a bit different from yours, personally I think she sorted this country out and pulled us into modern times... But just a quick question, have you ever been to Germany? Or would you not go there because of what happened in the war? |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 6, 2010 15:19:29 GMT 1, I'm not getting into this with you Mike. She privatised a lot of British companies like BT, BA, British Coal, British Rail, British Steel, etc - look where that got us... She created the 'me me me' culture that has ripped this county apart. I'll grant that she did some good - mainly by controlling rampant inflation - but that was her economists' advising, not her. I've lived in Germany for a couple of years, and visited several times. Your point being presumably (?) that we should hold the past when looking to the future - but Nazism was 60+ years ago, and has been rejected by subsequent German Govt's - whereas Conservative policy hasn't changed that much...in the only 13 years since they were ousted.
My point that exactly - I think they've changed quite a bit to be honest - they've had to or wouldn't be anywhere near a position for re-election. Policies of today should be looked at not what happened years ago...
On the subject of Thatcher, today's generation resent her in the main as they were brought up that way, maybe their parents were part of the trade unions (whose powers were rightly reduced).
She moved us to a free market economy, she encouraged people to have drive, to set up on their own in business for the future of them and their families, she privatised companies increasing efficiencies in them and encouraging the market to weed out the inefficient ones. Her policies helped the British economy become one of the strongest (if not the strongest) economies in Europe.
I think the historian Andrew Roberts put it best when he said:
Margaret Thatcher will go down in history as a great liberator.
She liberated Britain from sclerosis and Socialism; she liberated industry from the abuse of trade union power; she liberated the Falklands from fascism, and she helped liberate the peoples of Russia and Eastern Europe from Communism.
She was brought down by a treacherous cabal only moments before she was able to liberate Britain from Euro-federalism, in the manner set out in her historic Bruges speech.
Of all the many things she created, including New Labour, the greatest was a Britain strong, proud and free.
I'm not getting into this with you Mike. She privatised a lot of British companies like BT, BA, British Coal, British Rail, British Steel, etc - look where that got us... She created the 'me me me' culture that has ripped this county apart. I'll grant that she did some good - mainly by controlling rampant inflation - but that was her economists' advising, not her. I've lived in Germany for a couple of years, and visited several times. Your point being presumably (?) that we should hold the past when looking to the future - but Nazism was 60+ years ago, and has been rejected by subsequent German Govt's - whereas Conservative policy hasn't changed that much...in the only 13 years since they were ousted. My point that exactly - I think they've changed quite a bit to be honest - they've had to or wouldn't be anywhere near a position for re-election. Policies of today should be looked at not what happened years ago... On the subject of Thatcher, today's generation resent her in the main as they were brought up that way, maybe their parents were part of the trade unions (whose powers were rightly reduced). She moved us to a free market economy, she encouraged people to have drive, to set up on their own in business for the future of them and their families, she privatised companies increasing efficiencies in them and encouraging the market to weed out the inefficient ones. Her policies helped the British economy become one of the strongest (if not the strongest) economies in Europe. I think the historian Andrew Roberts put it best when he said: Margaret Thatcher will go down in history as a great liberator.
She liberated Britain from sclerosis and Socialism; she liberated industry from the abuse of trade union power; she liberated the Falklands from fascism, and she helped liberate the peoples of Russia and Eastern Europe from Communism.
She was brought down by a treacherous cabal only moments before she was able to liberate Britain from Euro-federalism, in the manner set out in her historic Bruges speech.
Of all the many things she created, including New Labour, the greatest was a Britain strong, proud and free. |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 6, 2010 15:43:30 GMT 1, this historian Andrew Roberts? The Economist described the book as "less a history than a giant political pamphlet larded with its author's prejudices"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Roberts_(historian)#Criticismsstrong, proud and free. Or - back in the real world - kowtowing to a succession of US presidents starting with the Reagan administration privatised companies increasing efficiencies in them Please let me know which of these companies is now in a stronger position than in the 80s? BT, BA, British Coal, British Rail, British Steel?
There may be criticisms for him, but he's speaking the truth in that quote.
Privatisation was a huge success, so much so that it was copied all over the world. The public sector was bloated and inefficient, something had to be done and privatisation was the only solution - we now have deregulation and increased competition - you can choose who supplies your gas and electricity, you're not told what you have to pay and to who. One of the main principles of an open market - choice.
this historian Andrew Roberts? The Economist described the book as "less a history than a giant political pamphlet larded with its author's prejudices"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Roberts_(historian)#Criticismsstrong, proud and free. Or - back in the real world - kowtowing to a succession of US presidents starting with the Reagan administration privatised companies increasing efficiencies in them Please let me know which of these companies is now in a stronger position than in the 80s? BT, BA, British Coal, British Rail, British Steel? There may be criticisms for him, but he's speaking the truth in that quote. Privatisation was a huge success, so much so that it was copied all over the world. The public sector was bloated and inefficient, something had to be done and privatisation was the only solution - we now have deregulation and increased competition - you can choose who supplies your gas and electricity, you're not told what you have to pay and to who. One of the main principles of an open market - choice. |
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UK General Election 2010, by monkeyart on Jan 6, 2010 23:20:11 GMT 1, Quote "I think the historian Andrew Roberts put it best when he said:
Margaret Thatcher will go down in history as a great liberator.
She liberated Britain from sclerosis and Socialism; she liberated industry from the abuse of trade union power; she liberated the Falklands from fascism, and she helped liberate the peoples of Russia and Eastern Europe from Communism.
She was brought down by a treacherous cabal only moments before she was able to liberate Britain from Euro-federalism, in the manner set out in her historic Bruges speech.
Of all the many things she created, including New Labour, the greatest was a Britain strong, proud and free."
Not sure what scares me more! Mr Roberts or the people who are taking in by this fing moron!
Go on read between the lines, the guys a facist, anti semitic moron...I don't condone the burning of books in anyway but man wheres my lighter...
Quote "I think the historian Andrew Roberts put it best when he said:
Margaret Thatcher will go down in history as a great liberator.
She liberated Britain from sclerosis and Socialism; she liberated industry from the abuse of trade union power; she liberated the Falklands from fascism, and she helped liberate the peoples of Russia and Eastern Europe from Communism.
She was brought down by a treacherous cabal only moments before she was able to liberate Britain from Euro-federalism, in the manner set out in her historic Bruges speech.
Of all the many things she created, including New Labour, the greatest was a Britain strong, proud and free."
Not sure what scares me more! Mr Roberts or the people who are taking in by this fing moron!
Go on read between the lines, the guys a facist, anti semitic moron...I don't condone the burning of books in anyway but man wheres my lighter...
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UK General Election 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 7, 2010 13:22:19 GMT 1,
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 7, 2010 14:03:51 GMT 1, Not sure what scares me more! Mr Roberts or the people who are taking in by this fing moron! there's more of the latter, so I'd be more afraid of them. Tories they're called...
I still don't get it... have you actually read any of the party's policies for the election or is this still an anti-Thatcher stance?
Not sure what scares me more! Mr Roberts or the people who are taking in by this fing moron! there's more of the latter, so I'd be more afraid of them. Tories they're called... I still don't get it... have you actually read any of the party's policies for the election or is this still an anti-Thatcher stance? |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 7, 2010 14:50:37 GMT 1, Not read them in depth, no, there's little point as I'd never vote for the Tory party
Kind of cutting of your nose to spite your face there. How can you vote without knowing party politics? I've voted for two different parties in the elections I've been eligible to vote in due to reading their policies and choosing the one that fit me best. In the next one I will be voting for a 3rd different party although this is a tactical vote.
How people can stand there and say I vote Labour/Conservative/whoever automatically without actually reading their policies baffles me
Not read them in depth, no, there's little point as I'd never vote for the Tory party Kind of cutting of your nose to spite your face there. How can you vote without knowing party politics? I've voted for two different parties in the elections I've been eligible to vote in due to reading their policies and choosing the one that fit me best. In the next one I will be voting for a 3rd different party although this is a tactical vote. How people can stand there and say I vote Labour/Conservative/whoever automatically without actually reading their policies baffles me |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 7, 2010 15:35:06 GMT 1, >How people can stand there and say I vote Labour/Conservative/whoever automatically without actually reading their policies baffles me I never said that. I am not blinkered into 'one party FTW' views at all - I've voted for 3 different parties in General elections, more in local ones. I just know who I wouldn't vote for, ever. Only 3 parties on that list - Tories, UKIP and the BNP
Why wouldn't you vote Conservative though? I can understand not voting BNP, I can to an extent understand why someone wouldn't vote UKIP - but why not Conservative? Totally different to the aforementioned two, what policies would stop you voting for them?
Just genuinely interested as to why
>How people can stand there and say I vote Labour/Conservative/whoever automatically without actually reading their policies baffles me I never said that. I am not blinkered into 'one party FTW' views at all - I've voted for 3 different parties in General elections, more in local ones. I just know who I wouldn't vote for, ever. Only 3 parties on that list - Tories, UKIP and the BNP Why wouldn't you vote Conservative though? I can understand not voting BNP, I can to an extent understand why someone wouldn't vote UKIP - but why not Conservative? Totally different to the aforementioned two, what policies would stop you voting for them? Just genuinely interested as to why |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 7, 2010 16:22:49 GMT 1, I think everyone else has gone ;D
Fair enough and I appreciate your points, I suppose it's where you stand on policies, I know personally the environmental policy is much lower down my list than policies on business (cutting payroll tax, cutting corporation tax, reducing regulation/employment law), economy (abolish stamp duty <ยฃ250k, freeze council tax for a couple of years etc), getting those on state handouts back into work, massively increasing the inheritance tax threshold, getting rid of Labour's early release from prison policy, and keeping us out of the Euro and retaining UK sovereignty over many decisions and ensuring things like the Lisbon Treaty debacle under Labour doesn't happen again
I think everyone else has gone ;D
Fair enough and I appreciate your points, I suppose it's where you stand on policies, I know personally the environmental policy is much lower down my list than policies on business (cutting payroll tax, cutting corporation tax, reducing regulation/employment law), economy (abolish stamp duty <ยฃ250k, freeze council tax for a couple of years etc), getting those on state handouts back into work, massively increasing the inheritance tax threshold, getting rid of Labour's early release from prison policy, and keeping us out of the Euro and retaining UK sovereignty over many decisions and ensuring things like the Lisbon Treaty debacle under Labour doesn't happen again
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 7, 2010 16:53:52 GMT 1, I know personally the environmental policy is much lower down my list than policies on business So, in layman's terms it boils down to the fact that I'm a hippy and you're a suit ;D 
Doesn't everything in life!
;D
I know personally the environmental policy is much lower down my list than policies on business So, in layman's terms it boils down to the fact that I'm a hippy and you're a suit ;D Doesn't everything in life! ;D |
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 8, 2010 3:46:56 GMT 1, when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over?
me
when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over?
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 8, 2010 10:14:20 GMT 1, when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over? me
I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now
when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over? me I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now |
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 8, 2010 10:24:55 GMT 1, >I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now OMG we agree! ;D TBH hunting legislation is so widely ignored by the authorities that it wouldn't make any difference whether it's 'legal' or 'illegal'. Even though most of the upper classes, to which a lot of MPs belong, hunt, the public is generally (iirc) against fox hunting so the ban will stay and continue to be ignored by the Police.
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>I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now OMG we agree! ;D TBH hunting legislation is so widely ignored by the authorities that it wouldn't make any difference whether it's 'legal' or 'illegal'. Even though most of the upper classes, to which a lot of MPs belong, hunt, the public is generally (iirc) against fox hunting so the ban will stay and continue to be ignored by the Police. Monkeys Typewriters Shakespeare |
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 8, 2010 11:35:01 GMT 1, true, but would be nice if we could legally use a full pack of hounds again etc...
true, but would be nice if we could legally use a full pack of hounds again etc...
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UK General Election 2010, by mookie on Jan 11, 2010 15:52:15 GMT 1, when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over? me I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now
Good.
when the tories get in will we finally see the hunting ban turned over? me I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now Good. |
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UK General Election 2010, by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 16:21:31 GMT 1,
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 11, 2010 16:50:09 GMT 1, I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now Good.
why good?
do you live in the country?
do you own foxes?
do you give a shit?
fucking antis
I very much doubt it, I think it's there to stay now Good. why good? do you live in the country? do you own foxes? do you give a shit? fucking antis |
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 11, 2010 18:26:04 GMT 1, quoted for posterity. let's see if silky lets that post remain. it's an opinion as strong as the one i got barred for.
i have had four barns burned to the ground by antis,
obviously wasn't anyone on here, but its bloody annoying.
quoted for posterity. let's see if silky lets that post remain. it's an opinion as strong as the one i got barred for. i have had four barns burned to the ground by antis, obviously wasn't anyone on here, but its bloody annoying. |
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 11, 2010 18:26:49 GMT 1, quoted for posterity. let's see if silky lets that post remain. it's an opinion as strong as the one i got barred for.
all opinions in politics are strong. watch PMQ, you see far worse said, minus the swearing though.
quoted for posterity. let's see if silky lets that post remain. it's an opinion as strong as the one i got barred for. all opinions in politics are strong. watch PMQ, you see far worse said, minus the swearing though. |
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UK General Election 2010, by topper007 on Jan 12, 2010 19:38:43 GMT 1, PMQs (or HAndbags at the Despatch Box as it should be known) would be greatly enlivened by a bit of swearing IMO.
PMQs (or HAndbags at the Despatch Box as it should be known) would be greatly enlivened by a bit of swearing IMO.
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 12, 2010 20:44:24 GMT 1, PMQs (or HAndbags at the Despatch Box as it should be known) would be greatly enlivened by a bit of swearing IMO.
i think its pretty brutal as it is... there have been some very lively debates..
0% growth anyone?
PMQs (or HAndbags at the Despatch Box as it should be known) would be greatly enlivened by a bit of swearing IMO. i think its pretty brutal as it is... there have been some very lively debates.. 0% growth anyone? |
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 12, 2010 21:46:41 GMT 1, i like hunting, and shooting.
everything i shoot i eat, or someone eats. be it phessies for sunday lunch, pidgeon pies, or rabbits i give to the pub who make a nice game stew.
just because it doesnt come from the supermarket doesnt mean its not food.
im not a tory. i think all the parties have good points and bad points, even ukip greens and bnp have some good things to say.
i like hunting, and shooting.
everything i shoot i eat, or someone eats. be it phessies for sunday lunch, pidgeon pies, or rabbits i give to the pub who make a nice game stew.
just because it doesnt come from the supermarket doesnt mean its not food.
im not a tory. i think all the parties have good points and bad points, even ukip greens and bnp have some good things to say.
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UK General Election 2010, by grafik on Jan 12, 2010 22:00:37 GMT 1, they all say some good stuff. i would like to pick and choose from them all and invent my own party to vote for.
i could do this for all the parties but since you mentioned the BNP i picked the bits from their policies that i like..
the bnp say that i rather like:
on crime and employment:
".... the BNP will introduce a system of workfare for those in unemployment benefit for more than six months with compulsory work and training in return for decent payment."
"... make criminals serve their full sentences"
on immigration:
"Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally"
"Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain"
on money matters:
"The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to ยฃ1 million"
"Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP government will use the ยฃ43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home."
on defense:
"Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake"
"bring British troops home tomorrow"
the other stuff they say is a load of shite.
they all say some good stuff. i would like to pick and choose from them all and invent my own party to vote for.
i could do this for all the parties but since you mentioned the BNP i picked the bits from their policies that i like..
the bnp say that i rather like:
on crime and employment:
".... the BNP will introduce a system of workfare for those in unemployment benefit for more than six months with compulsory work and training in return for decent payment."
"... make criminals serve their full sentences"
on immigration:
"Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally"
"Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain"
on money matters:
"The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to ยฃ1 million"
"Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP government will use the ยฃ43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home."
on defense:
"Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake"
"bring British troops home tomorrow"
the other stuff they say is a load of shite.
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UK General Election 2010, by manchestermike on Jan 12, 2010 22:01:36 GMT 1, everything i shoot i eat, or someone eats. be it phessies for sunday lunch, pidgeon pies, or rabbits i give to the pub who make a nice game stew. In which case that's fine. Absolutely. Although I'm not sure what the BNP have to say that are 'good things'
We agree again 
everything i shoot i eat, or someone eats. be it phessies for sunday lunch, pidgeon pies, or rabbits i give to the pub who make a nice game stew. In which case that's fine. Absolutely. Although I'm not sure what the BNP have to say that are 'good things' We agree again |
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