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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 12:51:37 GMT 1, None of the partners of Bidendum has ever been involved with scamming any members of this forum, ebay or auction sabateur. We wish to supply a service for you guys as fans of Banksy.
None of the partners of Bidendum has ever been involved with scamming any members of this forum, ebay or auction sabateur. We wish to supply a service for you guys as fans of Banksy.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 12:54:50 GMT 1, "For instance- people like Morrissey1 who ripped off an artist. He still has an active account. Why?"
People are trying to contact that member, so banning his account is not gonna help the situation.
"For instance- people like Morrissey1 who ripped off an artist. He still has an active account. Why?"
People are trying to contact that member, so banning his account is not gonna help the situation.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by baileymontana on Oct 30, 2008 13:26:23 GMT 1, None of the partners of Bidendum has ever been involved with scamming any members of this forum, ebay or auction sabateur. We wish to supply a service for you guys as fans of Banksy.
Quite a few accusations going your way here but at least you're not trying to hide away. A few people here are implying that JBoy is involved with Bidendum in some way and that his posts about you having to have COAs from POW have been part of a "promotion" campaign for the launch of Bidendum.
Two questions? Did you discuss this venture with JBoy before launching it here?
Is JBoy involved in any way with Bidendum (design, consultancy, partner)?
If Jboy is not involved with Bidendum at least this thread will get back on to discussions of whether your business model will help Banksy fans rather than speculation and JBoy bashing.
In my mind the idea is a good one but the fees and trust issues are of concern. If something like this was launched with the tacit approval of Banksy / POW it could do a lot to totally stopping the market in fakes but in a way that's what Pest Control does.
If you buy a Banksy now you need to get your own COA for 100% peace of mind unless you 100% trust the seller. ยฃ50 for a COA on a ยฃ800-ยฃ10,000 print is a bargain. Adding a 9.9% fee on top of the ยฃ50 is not that much of a bargain.
None of the partners of Bidendum has ever been involved with scamming any members of this forum, ebay or auction sabateur. We wish to supply a service for you guys as fans of Banksy. Quite a few accusations going your way here but at least you're not trying to hide away. A few people here are implying that JBoy is involved with Bidendum in some way and that his posts about you having to have COAs from POW have been part of a "promotion" campaign for the launch of Bidendum. Two questions? Did you discuss this venture with JBoy before launching it here? Is JBoy involved in any way with Bidendum (design, consultancy, partner)? If Jboy is not involved with Bidendum at least this thread will get back on to discussions of whether your business model will help Banksy fans rather than speculation and JBoy bashing. In my mind the idea is a good one but the fees and trust issues are of concern. If something like this was launched with the tacit approval of Banksy / POW it could do a lot to totally stopping the market in fakes but in a way that's what Pest Control does. If you buy a Banksy now you need to get your own COA for 100% peace of mind unless you 100% trust the seller. ยฃ50 for a COA on a ยฃ800-ยฃ10,000 print is a bargain. Adding a 9.9% fee on top of the ยฃ50 is not that much of a bargain.
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Bidendum
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 13:33:52 GMT 1, Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf. Although we understand the fee of 9.9 percent to be high, it also covers such cost as insurance, tax and handling. In our opinion it is a small price to pay to ensure the secure trading of legitimate Banksy prints.
Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf. Although we understand the fee of 9.9 percent to be high, it also covers such cost as insurance, tax and handling. In our opinion it is a small price to pay to ensure the secure trading of legitimate Banksy prints.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by graeme501 on Oct 30, 2008 13:35:51 GMT 1, so jboy was involved then
the art seller, now this, great business mind there
so jboy was involved then the art seller, now this, great business mind there
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afroken
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 13:37:23 GMT 1, But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that?
But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 13:39:11 GMT 1, Please be aware that we are in contact with Pest Control and POW inorder that this venture works. Im sure they would not release any statement of this manner.
Please be aware that we are in contact with Pest Control and POW inorder that this venture works. Im sure they would not release any statement of this manner.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by manchestermike on Oct 30, 2008 13:39:57 GMT 1, Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf.
Kinda answers the question that
Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf. Kinda answers the question that
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 13:40:49 GMT 1, a suitably vague response. I give up.
a suitably vague response. I give up.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 13:42:57 GMT 1, Please be assured that JBOY has not been in contact with the partners of Bidendum.
Please be assured that JBOY has not been in contact with the partners of Bidendum.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by manchestermike on Oct 30, 2008 13:44:48 GMT 1, Plese be assured that JBOY has not been in contact with the partners of Bidendum.
Wouldn't it have been easier to say that in the first place rather than "Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf"
Plese be assured that JBOY has not been in contact with the partners of Bidendum. Wouldn't it have been easier to say that in the first place rather than "Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf"
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by weaver on Oct 30, 2008 13:48:23 GMT 1, Suprised J hasnt said anything, he signed in at 12.09 pm today..... He's usually very punctual in setting people right.
Suprised J hasnt said anything, he signed in at 12.09 pm today..... He's usually very punctual in setting people right.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 13:50:13 GMT 1, But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that?
Very dangerous thing to suggest I think whoever said that should come out and make a plain and clear statement one way or the other.
But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that? Very dangerous thing to suggest I think whoever said that should come out and make a plain and clear statement one way or the other.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 13:52:02 GMT 1, Thanks all. This has been a surprisingly entertaining thread. Is it possible that the partners in Bidendum are really in the forgery business and they have set up this website and begun the thread in an intentional effort to either: 1) get the prints from sellers, obtain a pest control COA and then pass off a forged print with a real COA to an unsuspecting buyer; or 2) make everyone think the possibility of fakes is quite remote and then use one of their many pseudonyms to start sending their fakes into a now less-suspecting market? I disagree, I don't think possible is fair. I think it's highly probable.
Thanks all. This has been a surprisingly entertaining thread. Is it possible that the partners in Bidendum are really in the forgery business and they have set up this website and begun the thread in an intentional effort to either: 1) get the prints from sellers, obtain a pest control COA and then pass off a forged print with a real COA to an unsuspecting buyer; or 2) make everyone think the possibility of fakes is quite remote and then use one of their many pseudonyms to start sending their fakes into a now less-suspecting market? I disagree, I don't think possible is fair. I think it's highly probable.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by leeoman on Oct 30, 2008 13:55:47 GMT 1, Hi Bidendum,
Have made a choice so far not to get involved in this debate till now but surely you must appreciate that the forum members have expressed some concerns of your new site to which you seem to find very difficult to answer there concerns, for me the biggest concern is that i have an overwhelming feeling you are hiding something, and buy not commenting on JBOY involvement or not just adds to my concerns. If you really want the new venture to succeed you need to start answering questions and in turn if the answers are justifiable you will begin to gain trust in the members your are pitching to. I'm so sorry to say so far you haven't achieved one single little bit of this so I'm struggling to see how this new way of buying and selling Banksy's could ever get off the ground. I do wish you luck and i hope you prove me wrong as the idea seems good but perhaps its just ill thought out at this stage as well as the lack of answering the questions from the forum. members.
Hi Bidendum,
Have made a choice so far not to get involved in this debate till now but surely you must appreciate that the forum members have expressed some concerns of your new site to which you seem to find very difficult to answer there concerns, for me the biggest concern is that i have an overwhelming feeling you are hiding something, and buy not commenting on JBOY involvement or not just adds to my concerns. If you really want the new venture to succeed you need to start answering questions and in turn if the answers are justifiable you will begin to gain trust in the members your are pitching to. I'm so sorry to say so far you haven't achieved one single little bit of this so I'm struggling to see how this new way of buying and selling Banksy's could ever get off the ground. I do wish you luck and i hope you prove me wrong as the idea seems good but perhaps its just ill thought out at this stage as well as the lack of answering the questions from the forum. members.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:04:06 GMT 1, I think people need to take care a bit about what they say for a moment a few wild accusations flying around, that without proof to back them up are very flimsy. Different forum members have been named plus a very large gallery.
Some of the things that have been said might come back to bite people if Im forced to act due to legal action.
I think people need to take care a bit about what they say for a moment a few wild accusations flying around, that without proof to back them up are very flimsy. Different forum members have been named plus a very large gallery. Some of the things that have been said might come back to bite people if Im forced to act due to legal action.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by stjohn on Oct 30, 2008 14:10:15 GMT 1, Silky - have you received a threat?
Silky - have you received a threat?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 14:11:57 GMT 1, Bidendums only intent is to help the members of this forum, as well as other Banksy fans, to trade authentic prints with complete financial security. The partners of the firm are dedicated to this cause and believe that the use of this business venture will be a success for everyone involved.
Bidendums only intent is to help the members of this forum, as well as other Banksy fans, to trade authentic prints with complete financial security. The partners of the firm are dedicated to this cause and believe that the use of this business venture will be a success for everyone involved.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:14:36 GMT 1, But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that?
I have emailed POW to clear this one up.
But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that? I have emailed POW to clear this one up.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 14:15:57 GMT 1, Please be aware that we are in contact with Pest Control and POW inorder that this venture works. Im sure they would not release any statement of this manner.
Please be aware that we are in contact with Pest Control and POW inorder that this venture works. Im sure they would not release any statement of this manner.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 14:17:33 GMT 1, Silky, you're referring to me? It wasn't me who made the suggestion. I'm merely picking up on an earlier post from someone who probably knows more than any of us here. I have no idea whether this is true or not, which is why I asked the question for everyone's benefit.
Silky, you're referring to me? It wasn't me who made the suggestion. I'm merely picking up on an earlier post from someone who probably knows more than any of us here. I have no idea whether this is true or not, which is why I asked the question for everyone's benefit.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:20:35 GMT 1, Silky, you're referring to me? It wasn't me who made the suggestion. I'm merely picking up on an earlier post from someone who probably knows more than any of us here. I have no idea whether this is true or not, which is why I asked the question for everyone's benefit.
Yeah, its ok I know.
Silky, you're referring to me? It wasn't me who made the suggestion. I'm merely picking up on an earlier post from someone who probably knows more than any of us here. I have no idea whether this is true or not, which is why I asked the question for everyone's benefit. Yeah, its ok I know.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dmandpenfold on Oct 30, 2008 14:20:52 GMT 1, A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear.
huh...well spotted who's been deleting their comments bobby? This whole thread is going to look very disjointed if this happens
A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear. huh...well spotted who's been deleting their comments bobby? This whole thread is going to look very disjointed if this happens
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 14:22:29 GMT 1, But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that? I have emailed POW to clear this one up.
Good move
But there was a suggestion from someone from POW that this is a scam to acquire certificates for fake prints. This suggestion hasn't come from just anybody, but a representative of the very company that you say you have done a deal with to provide the certification in less than 7 days. How do you respond to that? I have emailed POW to clear this one up. Good move
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 14:23:49 GMT 1, "Good questions and i for one would like to know the answers Esp the Auc Sab thing as i have used it in the past with no problem whatsoever. " I believe that in one instance a bank transfer was used as a payment method but unfortunately the buyer never received the print in another a PayPal dispute was opened as the print was damaged although as the sellers PayPal address was not verified the buyer lost their compensation. Please respond to these question Alibertine / Bidendum , you have failed to answer them, here they are again.... 1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been 'ripped off 3 times' in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?
"Good questions and i for one would like to know the answers Esp the Auc Sab thing as i have used it in the past with no problem whatsoever. " I believe that in one instance a bank transfer was used as a payment method but unfortunately the buyer never received the print in another a PayPal dispute was opened as the print was damaged although as the sellers PayPal address was not verified the buyer lost their compensation. Please respond to these question Alibertine / Bidendum , you have failed to answer them, here they are again.... 1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been 'ripped off 3 times' in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:27:22 GMT 1, A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear. huh...well spotted who's been deleting their comments bobby? This whole thread is going to look very disjointed if this happens
Just looked at forum security records -
Cant see any posts deleted from this thread today, only modified posts. you can all see those as it shows them and the time it was done at the foot of each post.
A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear. huh...well spotted who's been deleting their comments bobby? This whole thread is going to look very disjointed if this happens Just looked at forum security records - Cant see any posts deleted from this thread today, only modified posts. you can all see those as it shows them and the time it was done at the foot of each post.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by dotdot on Oct 30, 2008 14:28:39 GMT 1, A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear.
proboards have to legally retain all messages - not sure for how long however it is years.
When I delete a message it's only deleted from my and your .. view of the board - the message is kept..
silky can, I'd imagine, see that messages have been deleted as there should be log - however that log may not contain (the) data.
if there was an investigation - that log would be use to track down the deleted messages.(proboard admin would have a fuller access to this log).
Everything is, i'd reckon, audited fully.
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A question- if any legal action does happen is it possible to get back any deleted posts? I have noticed a few dissappearing which would change how the accusations appear. proboards have to legally retain all messages - not sure for how long however it is years. When I delete a message it's only deleted from my and your .. view of the board - the message is kept.. silky can, I'd imagine, see that messages have been deleted as there should be log - however that log may not contain (the) data. if there was an investigation - that log would be use to track down the deleted messages.(proboard admin would have a fuller access to this log). Everything is, i'd reckon, audited fully. ..
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Bidendum on Oct 30, 2008 14:29:09 GMT 1, "1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been ripped off three times in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?"
Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason.
"1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been ripped off three times in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?"
Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:29:37 GMT 1, I have emailed POW to clear this one up. Good move
Afroken, Can you state who made first made that comment please Thanks!
I have emailed POW to clear this one up. Good move Afroken, Can you state who made first made that comment please Thanks!
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by afroken on Oct 30, 2008 14:33:58 GMT 1, Silky, Just scroll up the page. I've quoted the posts.
Silky, Just scroll up the page. I've quoted the posts.
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