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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 14:34:04 GMT 1, "1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been ripped off three times in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?" Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason.
Just a few weeks ago you were complaining that you had been 'ripped off' on multiple occasions, and shared this with everyone on this forum whilst using a different user name. Why were none of the incidents ever reported to the site administrator ?. .
"1) Why did you delete the post stating that you have been ripped off three times by other collectors whilst using Auction Saboteur ? 2) Why did you previously say you had been ripped off three times in a previous thread about Auction Saboteur and now claim it to be twice? 3) Why did you not report the incidents to the administrator, so they could inform their members? 4) And finally, you said in this thread that not just you but other people have been ripped off, why did they not report those incidents and who are these others that you claim that were ripped off?" Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason. Just a few weeks ago you were complaining that you had been 'ripped off' on multiple occasions, and shared this with everyone on this forum whilst using a different user name. Why were none of the incidents ever reported to the site administrator ?. .
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 14:39:30 GMT 1, Thanks all. This has been a surprisingly entertaining thread. Is it possible that the partners in Bidendum are really in the forgery business and they have set up this website and begun the thread in an intentional effort to either: 1) get the prints from sellers, obtain a pest control COA and then pass off a forged print with a real COA to an unsuspecting buyer; or 2) make everyone think the possibility of fakes is quite remote and then use one of their many pseudonyms to start sending their fakes into a now less-suspecting market? I disagree, I don't think possible is fair. I think it's highly probable.
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Thanks all. This has been a surprisingly entertaining thread. Is it possible that the partners in Bidendum are really in the forgery business and they have set up this website and begun the thread in an intentional effort to either: 1) get the prints from sellers, obtain a pest control COA and then pass off a forged print with a real COA to an unsuspecting buyer; or 2) make everyone think the possibility of fakes is quite remote and then use one of their many pseudonyms to start sending their fakes into a now less-suspecting market? I disagree, I don't think possible is fair. I think it's highly probable. For the record
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:07:22 GMT 1, Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks.
Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:18:47 GMT 1, Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. QUOTE : "Some of the things that have been said might come back to bite people if Im forced to act due to legal action." ENDQUOTE OK , i may have jumped to a conclusion there (about threatened legal action) ... apologies. ps i will make a couple of changes!
No worries Your just one of many who have been putting 2 and 2 together recently and making 49.
Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. QUOTE : "Some of the things that have been said might come back to bite people if Im forced to act due to legal action." ENDQUOTE OK , i may have jumped to a conclusion there (about threatened legal action) ... apologies. ps i will make a couple of changes! No worries Your just one of many who have been putting 2 and 2 together recently and making 49.
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henry
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 15:21:59 GMT 1, Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks.
So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He has been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallery's, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing user names and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's.
Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He has been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallery's, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing user names and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:25:40 GMT 1, Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallerys, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing usernames and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's.
I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred?
Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallerys, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing usernames and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's. I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by weaver on Oct 30, 2008 15:29:08 GMT 1, Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He has been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallery's, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing user names and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's. Fair point, I'd not be holding your breath though Henry. The rules have a very wide interpretation.
Nobody has threatened legal action Jesus! SPQR, please read things 100% and understand them fully before posting you have been making some pretty aggressive and wild posts over the last few weeks. So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He has been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallery's, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing user names and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's. Fair point, I'd not be holding your breath though Henry. The rules have a very wide interpretation.
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henry
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 15:31:27 GMT 1, So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallerys, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing usernames and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's. I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred?
Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread?
So has Alibertine / Bidendum. He been making accusations about being 'ripped off', caught deleting multiple messages and changing his name there on after. The above infringes the guidelines you made regarding slurring artists or gallerys, which you have banned other people over. He has slurred the name of another gallery maliciously whilst being duplicitous by changing usernames and having a clear motive to so and has been caught red handed doing so. They are your rules he has been found to have broken, no one else's. I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred? Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:32:40 GMT 1, I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred? Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread?
NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do?
I suspect I would need to ban half the people on this thread ;D is that what you want done? Plus what gallery has been slurred? Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread? NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 15:40:02 GMT 1, Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatened to ban half the people on this thread? NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do?
It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours.
Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatened to ban half the people on this thread? NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do? It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:44:53 GMT 1, NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do? It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours.
Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that?
If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D
NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do? It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours. Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that? If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 15:51:44 GMT 1, It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours. Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that? If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D
All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on.
It seems like you are defending this guy now to me, you obviously know what gallery has been slurred, feel free to associated yourself with this charlatan as much as you wish, you are doing your self no favours. Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that? If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by jimmyb on Oct 30, 2008 15:53:04 GMT 1, Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread? NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do?
No one has asked you to ban anyone, they're YOUR rules that YOU implemented so YOU could ban people. All that's been done is that the fact that YOUR rules are being flouted has been flagged up for you.
As they're YOUR rules then the only person calling for anyone to be banned is YOU.
Ok I'm sorry, am i hearing this correctly, you are the admin and you have just threatend to ban half the people on this thread? NO read my post again. Im asking is that what you want me to do? No one has asked you to ban anyone, they're YOUR rules that YOU implemented so YOU could ban people. All that's been done is that the fact that YOUR rules are being flouted has been flagged up for you. As they're YOUR rules then the only person calling for anyone to be banned is YOU.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 15:57:00 GMT 1, Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that? If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on.
I think you are twisting the facts here No Gallery has been accused of ripping of anyone can you post the exact words where that is said please, coz I must have missed that.
Absolutely incredible Did you see my post earlier on this thread saying how I dont understand why anyone would use a site like that? If I were you I would have a sit down, take a deep breath, and calm down It seems like your thinking is that anyone within a hundred yards of this thread is guilty of something and should be shot at dawn ;D All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on. I think you are twisting the facts here No Gallery has been accused of ripping of anyone can you post the exact words where that is said please, coz I must have missed that.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 30, 2008 16:02:29 GMT 1, AS acts as a gallery by exclusively offerring releases by the likes of Replete, SPQR, Grafter, Matt Small and other artists, some of whom are surely valued members here..? It is starting to look as if perhaps previous conflicts between the 2 administrations may be playing a part in this. But AS has unquestionably been slurred in this thread or previously by a user currently posting herein allbeit under a new name). This seems to contravene the forum rules. I think questions regarding the membership rights of anyone sharing login data with Alibertine are very pertinent on this basis.
AS acts as a gallery by exclusively offerring releases by the likes of Replete, SPQR, Grafter, Matt Small and other artists, some of whom are surely valued members here..? It is starting to look as if perhaps previous conflicts between the 2 administrations may be playing a part in this. But AS has unquestionably been slurred in this thread or previously by a user currently posting herein allbeit under a new name). This seems to contravene the forum rules. I think questions regarding the membership rights of anyone sharing login data with Alibertine are very pertinent on this basis.
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henry
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 16:06:24 GMT 1, All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on. I think you are twisting the facts here No Gallery has been accused of ripping of anyone can you post the exact words where that is said please, coz I must have missed that.
I've told the story over and over again, in red as well, very clearly. I dont feel the need to do so anymore, its your problem now.
All i said was that they are your own rules, you've banned people over everything else, then someone comes on line gets caught making up storys about being ripped off by another gallery and then sets himself up as a 'safe way to sell banksys', and you deem it acceptable to ban people for much lesser crimes and not this character. It does implicate you too now but if you cant see it, dont worry, carry on. I think you are twisting the facts here No Gallery has been accused of ripping of anyone can you post the exact words where that is said please, coz I must have missed that. I've told the story over and over again, in red as well, very clearly. I dont feel the need to do so anymore, its your problem now.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Billy Sport on Oct 30, 2008 16:06:43 GMT 1, " Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason.
but not enough respect to question their integrity in the first place?
jog on...
" Whilst explaining the formation of Bidendum we wished to explain the reasoning behind ideas. One of these was a partners experience with other trading sites which did not offer security and continued reports of fake Banksys. We would rather not detail the transactions and have much respect for our competitors. These posts were deleted for such reason.but not enough respect to question their integrity in the first place? jog on...
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 30, 2008 16:08:08 GMT 1, Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf. Although we understand the fee of 9.9 percent to be high, it also covers such cost as insurance, tax and handling. In our opinion it is a small price to pay to ensure the secure trading of legitimate Banksy prints.
But I'm confused. I thought you'd as good as admitted you had no insurance to cover your in-house handling of prints and that you use the carrier's insurance policies when sending out prints! You're full of it! We can all see that the 9.9% is your profit and that your business has no overheads. How much is your rent, where are your premises, how many staff do/will you employ etc etc? How much is your website hosting? And what is "handling"? None of these represent legitimate or substantial costs on your part. They are simply a ruse to get 10% out of customers, whom you've scared into dealing with you!
Now, had you had the balls to start out for free, making it clear that after 12 months there would be a fee, that would have been quite different.
However, even then, you have still failed to show any reason at all, why we should believe that you are financially able to guarantee the safe-being of valuable prints in your care. Just as you have failed to state directly that they would be insured, by whom and under what terms. You have open loopholes to exploit in your Ts and Cs to run away with prints and money, the worst of which is number 9. And even if you are 100% genuine in your claims, which is hard to believe of someone with so many previous user-names here, not to mention you're allegedly known to POW as a "tw@t" and I quote, POW is a company that needs to publicly back you if you want any hope of succeeding, not to be informing forum members they think you're a "tw@t". LMAO!
If you want to make this work, it can ONLY do so with a show of backing/support/good-will from POW/PCO. There is no other way for you to gain the credibility you require imo. And with respect POW has already set up a system to help them monitor an up to date database of Banksy print owners, which also offers owners peace of mind, it's called PCO certification, so I can't see them having any interest in cutting you in and helping you rip off all trading Banksy print owners! Good luck in your discussions with POW and when they are concluded, please do let us know whether you have their support and where we can find this in writing.
Bidendum cannot comment on JBoys behalf. Although we understand the fee of 9.9 percent to be high, it also covers such cost as insurance, tax and handling. In our opinion it is a small price to pay to ensure the secure trading of legitimate Banksy prints. But I'm confused. I thought you'd as good as admitted you had no insurance to cover your in-house handling of prints and that you use the carrier's insurance policies when sending out prints! You're full of it! We can all see that the 9.9% is your profit and that your business has no overheads. How much is your rent, where are your premises, how many staff do/will you employ etc etc? How much is your website hosting? And what is "handling"? None of these represent legitimate or substantial costs on your part. They are simply a ruse to get 10% out of customers, whom you've scared into dealing with you! Now, had you had the balls to start out for free, making it clear that after 12 months there would be a fee, that would have been quite different. However, even then, you have still failed to show any reason at all, why we should believe that you are financially able to guarantee the safe-being of valuable prints in your care. Just as you have failed to state directly that they would be insured, by whom and under what terms. You have open loopholes to exploit in your Ts and Cs to run away with prints and money, the worst of which is number 9. And even if you are 100% genuine in your claims, which is hard to believe of someone with so many previous user-names here, not to mention you're allegedly known to POW as a "tw@t" and I quote, POW is a company that needs to publicly back you if you want any hope of succeeding, not to be informing forum members they think you're a "tw@t". LMAO! If you want to make this work, it can ONLY do so with a show of backing/support/good-will from POW/PCO. There is no other way for you to gain the credibility you require imo. And with respect POW has already set up a system to help them monitor an up to date database of Banksy print owners, which also offers owners peace of mind, it's called PCO certification, so I can't see them having any interest in cutting you in and helping you rip off all trading Banksy print owners! Good luck in your discussions with POW and when they are concluded, please do let us know whether you have their support and where we can find this in writing.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 16:08:35 GMT 1, As far as Im aware the deals Bidendum was talking about would have been between him and a member of Auction Saboteur. That has nothing to do with the owner of that site, so its between Bedendum and whoever. The results of a deal like that are not the responsibility of Auction Saboteur, as I think it says in the agreement when you join that site. Am I wrong?
As far as Im aware the deals Bidendum was talking about would have been between him and a member of Auction Saboteur. That has nothing to do with the owner of that site, so its between Bedendum and whoever. The results of a deal like that are not the responsibility of Auction Saboteur, as I think it says in the agreement when you join that site. Am I wrong?
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 16:14:01 GMT 1, Can I make it any clearer - I guess the deals Bidendum mentioned were not with the owner of Auction Saboteur, so are not his or the sites responsibility. Its between him and whoever, just like anyone on here doing a deal with another member.
Can I make it any clearer - I guess the deals Bidendum mentioned were not with the owner of Auction Saboteur, so are not his or the sites responsibility. Its between him and whoever, just like anyone on here doing a deal with another member.
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Heavyconsumer
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 30, 2008 16:21:27 GMT 1, As far as Im aware the deals Bidendum was talking about would have been between him and a member of Auction Saboteur. That has nothing to do with the owner of that site, so its between Bedendum and whoever. The results of a deal like that are not the responsibility of Auction Saboteur, as I think it says in the agreement when you join that site. Am I wrong?
Probably not. I've not read their terms and I'll gladly take your word for it, yet the names of the users of AS haven't been given, while allegedly this forum member, Alibertine/Bibendum/whoever (either they are treated as the same person or not - I'm finding that a little confusing by virtue of Bibendum's insistance on speaking of themselves in the 3rd person) has repeatedly stated and implied that AS is high risk and has been used to defraud him in some way - seems a little odd that the username concerned or personal info was never stated, or that AS admin know's nothing about it. I would say that this is pretty defamatory if it remains unsubstantiated with facts. Personally I don't care whether Bibendum stays or goes and I'm not pushing either way.
As far as Im aware the deals Bidendum was talking about would have been between him and a member of Auction Saboteur. That has nothing to do with the owner of that site, so its between Bedendum and whoever. The results of a deal like that are not the responsibility of Auction Saboteur, as I think it says in the agreement when you join that site. Am I wrong? Probably not. I've not read their terms and I'll gladly take your word for it, yet the names of the users of AS haven't been given, while allegedly this forum member, Alibertine/Bibendum/whoever (either they are treated as the same person or not - I'm finding that a little confusing by virtue of Bibendum's insistance on speaking of themselves in the 3rd person) has repeatedly stated and implied that AS is high risk and has been used to defraud him in some way - seems a little odd that the username concerned or personal info was never stated, or that AS admin know's nothing about it. I would say that this is pretty defamatory if it remains unsubstantiated with facts. Personally I don't care whether Bibendum stays or goes and I'm not pushing either way.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 16:26:34 GMT 1, Can I make it any clearer - I guess the deals Bidendum mentioned were not with the owner of Auction Saboteur, so are not his or the sites responsibility. Its between him and whoever, just like anyone on here doing a deal with another member.
Thats right, he made an accusation that he got 'ripped off' by trading with people on Auction Saboteur on multiple occasions. Its clear he didn't, any one that would have done would have popped an email off to the administrator to warn other members. He claimed this happened to him three times and never was a email ever received about any incidents. Its clear this was an attempt to slur the site and cause fear among this community trading directly in order to help promote his new business. He deleted the relevant posts and changed his user name, unknowing to him that people can still tell that he was the same person as the one making the accusations. He tried to spread fear where such fear was not warrented and tried to instil the idea that people needed a middleman to protect themseles from each other. He has been caught not just slurring the integrity of an artist or gallery but the whole collector community.
Can I make it any clearer - I guess the deals Bidendum mentioned were not with the owner of Auction Saboteur, so are not his or the sites responsibility. Its between him and whoever, just like anyone on here doing a deal with another member. Thats right, he made an accusation that he got 'ripped off' by trading with people on Auction Saboteur on multiple occasions. Its clear he didn't, any one that would have done would have popped an email off to the administrator to warn other members. He claimed this happened to him three times and never was a email ever received about any incidents. Its clear this was an attempt to slur the site and cause fear among this community trading directly in order to help promote his new business. He deleted the relevant posts and changed his user name, unknowing to him that people can still tell that he was the same person as the one making the accusations. He tried to spread fear where such fear was not warrented and tried to instil the idea that people needed a middleman to protect themseles from each other. He has been caught not just slurring the integrity of an artist or gallery but the whole collector community.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by spenie1975 on Oct 30, 2008 16:31:10 GMT 1, Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it.
Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it.
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curiousgeorge
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2008 16:40:08 GMT 1, Oh dear seems everything and anything that goes wrong is something to do with Silky, in some shape or form. From sitting on the fence i notice Silky gets dragged into anything wrong with the art world, personally i would be a bit embarrased to keep banging that drum, given that we are supposed to adults??
I guess apart from a select few, Silky like myself is not immune from making mistakes every now and then (human condition).Yet another thread that has gone way off point, and ended up with people attacking Silky
Art-Wars coming to a cinema near you soon
Oh dear seems everything and anything that goes wrong is something to do with Silky, in some shape or form. From sitting on the fence i notice Silky gets dragged into anything wrong with the art world, personally i would be a bit embarrased to keep banging that drum, given that we are supposed to adults?? I guess apart from a select few, Silky like myself is not immune from making mistakes every now and then (human condition).Yet another thread that has gone way off point, and ended up with people attacking Silky Art-Wars coming to a cinema near you soon
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by weaver on Oct 30, 2008 16:41:53 GMT 1, Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it. I think they hang arround because they do like the forum. As for the running, the rules were set out and seemed to be very clear cut, but the administration of those rules seems somewhat subjective. If Silky added a final rule that he would enforce all previous rules as he saw fit and at his own discretion, everyone would know they didnt have a leg to stand on and most likely wouldnt bother....
Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it. I think they hang arround because they do like the forum. As for the running, the rules were set out and seemed to be very clear cut, but the administration of those rules seems somewhat subjective. If Silky added a final rule that he would enforce all previous rules as he saw fit and at his own discretion, everyone would know they didnt have a leg to stand on and most likely wouldnt bother....
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 16:50:44 GMT 1, We all know that every so often we hear about deals on ebay that go wrong, the money or print goes missing people get upset and they come on here saying how ebay dunt work, they got ripped off, the print was fake you know the kind of thing. Well, I cant ban people for saying stuff like that can I? You could say its slagging off ebay, but in the real world its not ebays fault, just like this aint Auction Saboteur's fault.
Ask has this thread helped Auction Saboteur? I would say NO One person said a complaint and then a group of people supposedly trying to support Auction Saboteur have dragged it over 10 pages with 4,372 views thats what I really call doing the owner of Auction Saboteur a favor.
We all know that every so often we hear about deals on ebay that go wrong, the money or print goes missing people get upset and they come on here saying how ebay dunt work, they got ripped off, the print was fake you know the kind of thing. Well, I cant ban people for saying stuff like that can I? You could say its slagging off ebay, but in the real world its not ebays fault, just like this aint Auction Saboteur's fault. Ask has this thread helped Auction Saboteur? I would say NO One person said a complaint and then a group of people supposedly trying to support Auction Saboteur have dragged it over 10 pages with 4,372 views thats what I really call doing the owner of Auction Saboteur a favor.
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Daniel Silk on Oct 30, 2008 17:01:52 GMT 1, Dunt suit your game plans does it? Me supporting and sticking up for Auction Saboteur
Back to the drawing board.
Dunt suit your game plans does it? Me supporting and sticking up for Auction Saboteur Back to the drawing board.
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henry
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October 2008
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by henry on Oct 30, 2008 17:07:26 GMT 1, Please keep to the thread discussion. Anyone would think you are a bidendums partner by the way you carry on. Hmmmm .....
Please keep to the thread discussion. Anyone would think you are a bidendums partner by the way you carry on. Hmmmm .....
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Heavyconsumer
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 30, 2008 17:14:12 GMT 1, Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it.
Let me make this VERY clear - I do not blame Silky for ANY of Bibendums claims or posts. I think Silky does a teriffic job here and long may it continue....
However, rules were posted as a sticky and I think it's fair that if the administration is going to refer to them from time to time, as needed, we be able to refer to them to attempt to protect ourselves from underhanded dealings. I'm not knocking Silky here, just saying that it appears Bibendum is manipulating appearances, where in actual fact he/they have apparently been in contravention of some of the forum rules and trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes. I think that bearing in mind Bibendum's in here trying to set up a business which targets us as its' clients/victims, we're entitled to examine their identity and moral fibre.
Yet another thread turns to slagging of Silky and the forum rules. Don't understand why people stick around if they don't like this forum or how Silky runs it. Let me make this VERY clear - I do not blame Silky for ANY of Bibendums claims or posts. I think Silky does a teriffic job here and long may it continue.... However, rules were posted as a sticky and I think it's fair that if the administration is going to refer to them from time to time, as needed, we be able to refer to them to attempt to protect ourselves from underhanded dealings. I'm not knocking Silky here, just saying that it appears Bibendum is manipulating appearances, where in actual fact he/they have apparently been in contravention of some of the forum rules and trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes. I think that bearing in mind Bibendum's in here trying to set up a business which targets us as its' clients/victims, we're entitled to examine their identity and moral fibre.
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Heavyconsumer
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February 2008
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Bidendum - The New Way to Buy and Sell Banksys, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 30, 2008 17:15:42 GMT 1, Please keep to the thread discussion. Anyone would think you are a bidendums partner by the way you carry on. Hmmmm .....
Grow up mate. He's just removed their green star status.
Please keep to the thread discussion. Anyone would think you are a bidendums partner by the way you carry on. Hmmmm ..... Grow up mate. He's just removed their green star status.
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