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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 30, 2010 23:53:27 GMT 1, Probably needs its own thread to stop the Choose Your Weapon thread growing..
Is Banksy the 'modern day' Warhol? Not so much hype anymore but a growing realisation that we are in a significant chapter in 'art history'...
thoughts?
Probably needs its own thread to stop the Choose Your Weapon thread growing..
Is Banksy the 'modern day' Warhol? Not so much hype anymore but a growing realisation that we are in a significant chapter in 'art history'...
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 0:45:26 GMT 1, how has what Banksy's done been any different to what's been done before him?
how has what Banksy's done been any different to what's been done before him?
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by rottenredrooster on Dec 31, 2010 0:46:50 GMT 1, Like you said... in 30 years Banksy will be seen in the same light as Warhol.
Like you said... in 30 years Banksy will be seen in the same light as Warhol.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by mmmike on Dec 31, 2010 1:00:21 GMT 1, I love Banksy but IMO he doesn't have a chance. Banksy may become as famous as Warhol, as popular but he isn't changing what people consider art, how people look at art, how people look at the world in general like Warhol did. Warhol changed the game. Banksy is one of the most interesting current players in the game. Banksy is building on what Haring and many others have built up.
IMO the better question is how Banksy will be compared to Keith Haring. Again I think Banksy has a long way to go to get to Haring's level. But Banksy VS Haring is more realistic.
50 years from now I think Banksy will be a big name but I don't think as big as Koons or Hirst. I would put Banksy in the top 10 of living artists but not number 1. In my opinion the top guys today are nowhere near Warhol.
If I had a lot of money to invest in an artist's work who I think will have the brightest future it would be Ai Weiwei.
But that doesn't mean I don't think Banksy is great. I just don't think Warhol is a good comparison.
I love Banksy but IMO he doesn't have a chance. Banksy may become as famous as Warhol, as popular but he isn't changing what people consider art, how people look at art, how people look at the world in general like Warhol did. Warhol changed the game. Banksy is one of the most interesting current players in the game. Banksy is building on what Haring and many others have built up.
IMO the better question is how Banksy will be compared to Keith Haring. Again I think Banksy has a long way to go to get to Haring's level. But Banksy VS Haring is more realistic.
50 years from now I think Banksy will be a big name but I don't think as big as Koons or Hirst. I would put Banksy in the top 10 of living artists but not number 1. In my opinion the top guys today are nowhere near Warhol.
If I had a lot of money to invest in an artist's work who I think will have the brightest future it would be Ai Weiwei.
But that doesn't mean I don't think Banksy is great. I just don't think Warhol is a good comparison.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by don on Dec 31, 2010 1:05:31 GMT 1, Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms.
Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by howlinhooker on Dec 31, 2010 1:05:33 GMT 1, agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol
agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:06:47 GMT 1, in 30 years, the artists Banksy would be compared to the most would actually be Shepard Fairey, Gary Larson, and Matt Groening.
in 30 years, the artists Banksy would be compared to the most would actually be Shepard Fairey, Gary Larson, and Matt Groening.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:07:43 GMT 1, Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms.
those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed?
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 31, 2010 1:08:25 GMT 1, agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol
at the time people thought andy warhol was shit and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before?
agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol at the time people thought andy warhol was shit and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by brain on Dec 31, 2010 1:13:59 GMT 1, Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms. those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed?
opened urban art or whatever you want to call it to the masses. show me one (art-)museum shop where you can't buy his book!
Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms. those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed? opened urban art or whatever you want to call it to the masses. show me one (art-)museum shop where you can't buy his book! |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by don on Dec 31, 2010 1:14:48 GMT 1, Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms. those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed?
The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries.
and on the next page in those history books will be space invader.
In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all.
Rightly or wrongly Banksy will go down in history as the man that changed art forever he will have been documented for nearly 50 years come 2040 which isnt long in history terms. those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed? The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries. and on the next page in those history books will be space invader. In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all. |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by brain on Dec 31, 2010 1:15:35 GMT 1, agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before?
most of the big names that came after Warhol (including Warhol himself) had a great career while still
alive imo...
agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? most of the big names that came after Warhol (including Warhol himself) had a great career while still alive imo... |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by des77 on Dec 31, 2010 1:19:52 GMT 1, at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? most of the big names that came after Warhol (including Warhol himself) had a great career while still alive imo...
Exactly, the old 'not famous until dead' quote is a myth. Ask most people in the street to name an artist or a famous artwork and im sure most will say Damien Hirst, or 'that guy that stuffs animals'
at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? most of the big names that came after Warhol (including Warhol himself) had a great career while still alive imo... Exactly, the old 'not famous until dead' quote is a myth. Ask most people in the street to name an artist or a famous artwork and im sure most will say Damien Hirst, or 'that guy that stuffs animals' |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:20:24 GMT 1, agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before?
you're crazy. andy warhol's art sold for $1mil+ in auction in the 80s and he was probably the most popular artist of his generation while he was alive. he had his own show on MTV, was on the Love Boat, in magazine ads, etc.
agree mr warhol ...........a diff class not just for his art either the whole scene ......... banksy is great but has a long long way to go ............................amazing people comparing the 2 ...i think banksy will be proud of hearing his name mentioned againt the great andy warhol at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? you're crazy. andy warhol's art sold for $1mil+ in auction in the 80s and he was probably the most popular artist of his generation while he was alive. he had his own show on MTV, was on the Love Boat, in magazine ads, etc. |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:25:07 GMT 1, those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed? The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries. and on the next page in those history books will be space invader. In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all.
none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000?
those who think Banksy has changed things...what exactly has he changed? The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries. and on the next page in those history books will be space invader. In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all. none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000? |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by jB on Dec 31, 2010 1:26:00 GMT 1, Call me crazy, but I think Banksy will be as much of icon as Warhol. I guess only time will tell.
Call me crazy, but I think Banksy will be as much of icon as Warhol. I guess only time will tell.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by howlinhooker on Dec 31, 2010 1:26:52 GMT 1, agree francis the cult following was crazy anyone who was anyone got involved ......................banksy has bradd pitt and a few others buying a few originals thats it im afraid
agree francis the cult following was crazy anyone who was anyone got involved ......................banksy has bradd pitt and a few others buying a few originals thats it im afraid
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 31, 2010 1:27:53 GMT 1, at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? you're crazy. andy warhol's art sold for $1mil+ in auction in the 80s and he was probably the most popular artist of his generation while he was alive. he had his own show on MTV, was on the Love Boat, in magazine ads, etc.
sounds familiar...
at the time people thought andy warhol was s**t and was not til later he got popular. has any living artist ever seen this much popularity before? you're crazy. andy warhol's art sold for $1mil+ in auction in the 80s and he was probably the most popular artist of his generation while he was alive. he had his own show on MTV, was on the Love Boat, in magazine ads, etc. sounds familiar... |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by don on Dec 31, 2010 1:32:49 GMT 1, The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries. and on the next page in those history books will be space invader. In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all. none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000?
YES
But like I did say
rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years.
The way of the art world, The change in scene and bringing street art into homes and galleries. and on the next page in those history books will be space invader. In reality its a movement thats happened/happening and its BANKSY's name that it will be best known in time for it all. none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000? YES But like I did say rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years. |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by boaty on Dec 31, 2010 1:35:44 GMT 1, PIMMS here....
think Freerange made a great assertion on the CYW thread...WE are now a part of art history...and significant contributors by the way...well done, us mutts....
contextually, imho...warhol elevated pop art...haring elevated "art reach" at the lowest level (children).....banksy elevates street art (and just wait, he's young and still exploring)...
Banksy is both warholesque and haringesque...
As haring purportedly said: "art should be something that liberates your soul, provokes the imagination and encourages people to go further..."
Banksy does this...
he may need to leave the ghetto...I love what talent and loyalty gives us...and pity him at the same time....fly the coop Banksy...we'll still love you and owe you for what you exposed us to......
PIMMS here....
think Freerange made a great assertion on the CYW thread...WE are now a part of art history...and significant contributors by the way...well done, us mutts....
contextually, imho...warhol elevated pop art...haring elevated "art reach" at the lowest level (children).....banksy elevates street art (and just wait, he's young and still exploring)...
Banksy is both warholesque and haringesque...
As haring purportedly said: "art should be something that liberates your soul, provokes the imagination and encourages people to go further..."
Banksy does this...
he may need to leave the ghetto...I love what talent and loyalty gives us...and pity him at the same time....fly the coop Banksy...we'll still love you and owe you for what you exposed us to......
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Sundowner on Dec 31, 2010 1:35:55 GMT 1, Well done JB, good thread - better than all the bitching and moaning about CYW.....
I don't think Banksy can be compared to Warhol yet, but who knows where he'll be in the next 10 years, when he keeps diversifying. Let's not forget that Warhol and The Factory was the blueprint for the Hirst elf-factory, along with his influence on many other great contemporary artists.
Well done JB, good thread - better than all the bitching and moaning about CYW.....
I don't think Banksy can be compared to Warhol yet, but who knows where he'll be in the next 10 years, when he keeps diversifying. Let's not forget that Warhol and The Factory was the blueprint for the Hirst elf-factory, along with his influence on many other great contemporary artists.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:35:56 GMT 1, none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000? YES But like I did say rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years.
is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones?
none of that is true. Fun Gallery brought street art into "homes and galleries" in the 80s and it was done much better and more emphatically. Have you heard of the names Basquiat, Haring, Kenny Scharf, Patti Astor, and Futura2000? YES But like I did say rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years. is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones? |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Sundowner on Dec 31, 2010 1:38:40 GMT 1, A very good point Frankie.....
A very good point Frankie.....
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 31, 2010 1:41:35 GMT 1, man, wish i had this subject as a thesis at art uni all those years ago. would have been better than the shit i wrote at the time.
*gets the jack daniels out*
man, wish i had this subject as a thesis at art uni all those years ago. would have been better than the shit i wrote at the time.
*gets the jack daniels out*
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 31, 2010 1:50:48 GMT 1, YES But like I did say rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years. is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones?
no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps.
YES But like I did say rightly or wrongly it will be BANKYS name that it will be rememberd for in 50 years. is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones? no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps. |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Francis on Dec 31, 2010 1:59:47 GMT 1, is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones? no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps.
what are the determinants of Banksy's name being remembered over those 2?
is that why Basquiat and Haring are in countless museum collections while Banksy is in which ones? no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps. what are the determinants of Banksy's name being remembered over those 2? |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by bullet on Dec 31, 2010 2:03:56 GMT 1, no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps. what are the determinants of Banksy's name being remembered over those 2?
erm... the most iconic patron from the street art movement perhaps.
and it will most certainly be a stage in the art history books.
no offence, but they are more than likely in there as they have snuffed it. not saying they would not have been otherwise, but it helps. what are the determinants of Banksy's name being remembered over those 2? erm... the most iconic patron from the street art movement perhaps. and it will most certainly be a stage in the art history books. |
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by nex on Dec 31, 2010 3:22:27 GMT 1, here we go again with the fine art historians giving us all an art lesson in their usual ever so humble way, if we're really lucky we'll get to see someone's Harings again *yawn*
here we go again with the fine art historians giving us all an art lesson in their usual ever so humble way, if we're really lucky we'll get to see someone's Harings again *yawn*
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by mmmike on Dec 31, 2010 3:56:26 GMT 1, For those in the UK I understand how you think of Banksy as already super famous / popular, what ever you want to call it but outside of the UK he really isn't that big.
Here in Toronto he is far from a household name. it is the same in the US. Fairey is a bigger name. Kaws is up there as well in the US.
I think Banksy has done big things for street art in the UK but as much as I like the stuff he does, he is only continuing the work that has been going on for decades in the US.
For those in the UK I understand how you think of Banksy as already super famous / popular, what ever you want to call it but outside of the UK he really isn't that big.
Here in Toronto he is far from a household name. it is the same in the US. Fairey is a bigger name. Kaws is up there as well in the US.
I think Banksy has done big things for street art in the UK but as much as I like the stuff he does, he is only continuing the work that has been going on for decades in the US.
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Is Banksy this chapters Warhol?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 31, 2010 5:18:00 GMT 1, Banksy is huge in the UK/ become a household name etc.. and his popularity is growing in the US and rest of the world. But Warhol was everywhere/massively popular throughout the world (and lets not forget this was at a time before the internet etc....) Banksy has been on the front cover of 'Time Outs' around the world and thats about it. Time will tell and a lot will do with how long he can remain anonymous. When he is 'found it' it will be interesting to see how things will change. Hope thats a long way off as we all love the street pieces popping up all over the place. Happy NY people from a very hot Sydney!!
Banksy is huge in the UK/ become a household name etc.. and his popularity is growing in the US and rest of the world. But Warhol was everywhere/massively popular throughout the world (and lets not forget this was at a time before the internet etc....) Banksy has been on the front cover of 'Time Outs' around the world and thats about it. Time will tell and a lot will do with how long he can remain anonymous. When he is 'found it' it will be interesting to see how things will change. Hope thats a long way off as we all love the street pieces popping up all over the place. Happy NY people from a very hot Sydney!!
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