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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by sand on Dec 12, 2008 13:06:45 GMT 1, Apart from Banksy and Adam Neate, I believe the Americans are miles ahead of the rest of the UK talent.
Shepard Fairey is MASSIVE. He has been putting out work across the globe for years and years. He has also has also had many sell out and successful shows across the continents. The Obama image turned out to be iconic. And he still has the time to bomb the streets of the US or wherever. People may not like his latest prints, but his gigantic gallery pieces and collages are breathtaking. A true legend.
Than you have Faile - don't need to go into details here.
Kaws, another early pioneer who also was one of the most influential founders of the vinyl toy movement - a whole genre in itself.
Other influential artists: Barry Mcgee, Parla, Swoon, Futura, WK Interact (not really American but NY based), Ron English (probably missed some names out)...
In terms of the UK 'scene' I would say Adam Neate. Brilliant in both street and gallery work. Very much look forward to seeing what he has in store for 2009.
Than you have D*Face and Nick Walker. Whilst I love some of their work, a lot of it is unimaginative and has already been done and sometimes done better. I own work by both of these artists and D* was one of the reasons I started collecting - but they are not leaders, they're followers. I look forward to seeing what comes next...especially how Walker will perhaps leave the vandal series and how his work will progress.
Than you have Paul Insect, sickboy..
Other 'international' artists I rate: os gemeos (amazing work on the streets, wish they visited the UK more), JR, BLU, Herakut, - all doing there own thing and a lot of street pieces.
I believe DOLK can step it up a gear and wonder when he will have a solo show?!
For me Blek has a place in the past of street art (no doubt will be mentioned in retrospectives) but his clear lack of imagination and in the case of the last few canvases - technique, have a left a lot to be desired...time to hang up his stencils?! Who knows...maybe his next show will leave us in awe (I doubt it though).
Whatever does happen, it still early days and i'm sure theres a lot more art for us to enjoy in the future. 
Apart from Banksy and Adam Neate, I believe the Americans are miles ahead of the rest of the UK talent. Shepard Fairey is MASSIVE. He has been putting out work across the globe for years and years. He has also has also had many sell out and successful shows across the continents. The Obama image turned out to be iconic. And he still has the time to bomb the streets of the US or wherever. People may not like his latest prints, but his gigantic gallery pieces and collages are breathtaking. A true legend. Than you have Faile - don't need to go into details here. Kaws, another early pioneer who also was one of the most influential founders of the vinyl toy movement - a whole genre in itself. Other influential artists: Barry Mcgee, Parla, Swoon, Futura, WK Interact (not really American but NY based), Ron English (probably missed some names out)... In terms of the UK 'scene' I would say Adam Neate. Brilliant in both street and gallery work. Very much look forward to seeing what he has in store for 2009. Than you have D*Face and Nick Walker. Whilst I love some of their work, a lot of it is unimaginative and has already been done and sometimes done better. I own work by both of these artists and D* was one of the reasons I started collecting - but they are not leaders, they're followers. I look forward to seeing what comes next...especially how Walker will perhaps leave the vandal series and how his work will progress. Than you have Paul Insect, sickboy.. Other 'international' artists I rate: os gemeos (amazing work on the streets, wish they visited the UK more), JR, BLU, Herakut, - all doing there own thing and a lot of street pieces. I believe DOLK can step it up a gear and wonder when he will have a solo show?! For me Blek has a place in the past of street art (no doubt will be mentioned in retrospectives) but his clear lack of imagination and in the case of the last few canvases - technique, have a left a lot to be desired...time to hang up his stencils?! Who knows...maybe his next show will leave us in awe (I doubt it though). Whatever does happen, it still early days and i'm sure theres a lot more art for us to enjoy in the future. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Daniel Silk on Dec 12, 2008 13:09:57 GMT 1, Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys  Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know.
Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by pezlow on Dec 12, 2008 13:10:12 GMT 1, Nice post sand, agree with most of what you say.
Nice post sand, agree with most of what you say.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by bert on Dec 12, 2008 13:14:06 GMT 1, In terms of aesthetic pleasure I gain from looking at their work, I would definitely say Faile.
I really enjoy Blu too - so much imagination and detail in such huge pieces. Neate originals and street work always look pretty special to me too.
In terms of aesthetic pleasure I gain from looking at their work, I would definitely say Faile.
I really enjoy Blu too - so much imagination and detail in such huge pieces. Neate originals and street work always look pretty special to me too.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by thetruth55 on Dec 12, 2008 16:57:09 GMT 1, Faile for sure.
Faile for sure.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Daniel Silk on Dec 12, 2008 19:11:09 GMT 1, Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it
If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgallery
That board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display  Not prints kept in folders.
1 Banksy
2 Faile
3 D*Face
4 Micallef
5 Nick Walker
6 Guy Denning
7 Adam Neate
8 Eine
Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgalleryThat board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display Not prints kept in folders. 1 Banksy 2 Faile 3 D*Face 4 Micallef 5 Nick Walker 6 Guy Denning 7 Adam Neate 8 Eine |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Guy Denning on Dec 12, 2008 19:48:58 GMT 1, For me - if it's 'street' (god help us). Next I'll be saying who's 'phat'...
Anyway...
FAILE - by a mile.
For me - if it's 'street' (god help us). Next I'll be saying who's 'phat'...
Anyway...
FAILE - by a mile.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by mishco on Dec 12, 2008 20:00:21 GMT 1, I think Neate is stuck somewhere between the man on the street and the contemporary fine art gallery. A position not many others occupy. What should he do? Release editions to the masses like Banksy or continue to hold back from prints altogether? I bet it's something he's thought about before. Could he be bigger with a Banksy approach?
Neate is street through and through, moved to brasil to get away from all the hype did he not.
the guy is going to be/ and is a living legend end of.
I think Neate is stuck somewhere between the man on the street and the contemporary fine art gallery. A position not many others occupy. What should he do? Release editions to the masses like Banksy or continue to hold back from prints altogether? I bet it's something he's thought about before. Could he be bigger with a Banksy approach? Neate is street through and through, moved to brasil to get away from all the hype did he not. the guy is going to be/ and is a living legend end of. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by giiiant on Dec 12, 2008 20:41:56 GMT 1, Shepard Fairey
In fact in terms of worldwide recognition he might have overtaken Banksy thanks to that Obama piece (or at least I reckon he would have done if he had a slightly catchier name)
Shepard Fairey
In fact in terms of worldwide recognition he might have overtaken Banksy thanks to that Obama piece (or at least I reckon he would have done if he had a slightly catchier name)
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by neale on Dec 12, 2008 21:11:54 GMT 1, depends how you view the term biggest, do you mean in terms of commercial success, or in terms of work out on the street for all to see and be influenced by, which for me is the point of street art
depends how you view the term biggest, do you mean in terms of commercial success, or in terms of work out on the street for all to see and be influenced by, which for me is the point of street art
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by BMG on Dec 12, 2008 21:11:57 GMT 1, :)William Hundley gets my vote
Chihuahua on Cheeseburgers, 2008
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by skanky on Dec 12, 2008 21:18:32 GMT 1, It depends how you judge it , in recognition it must be Shep. Most people would judge it by the monetary value and in that case it must be Parla his work has changed hands for incredible sums. For me for sheer quality and potential it has to be Neate, it is incredible for an artist his age to produce what he does. Every time you think you have seen the best from Neate he just raises the bar.
It depends how you judge it , in recognition it must be Shep. Most people would judge it by the monetary value and in that case it must be Parla his work has changed hands for incredible sums. For me for sheer quality and potential it has to be Neate, it is incredible for an artist his age to produce what he does. Every time you think you have seen the best from Neate he just raises the bar.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by f5doordienyc on Dec 12, 2008 21:18:38 GMT 1, neate has amazing talent,,,dolk and spqr will be giving us so much over the next few years,,,,,shapard is my hometown fav...
neate has amazing talent,,,dolk and spqr will be giving us so much over the next few years,,,,,shapard is my hometown fav...
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by lalinea on Dec 12, 2008 21:19:31 GMT 1, Faile
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by lalinea on Dec 12, 2008 21:21:14 GMT 1, Lets see a poll on this.....
Lets see a poll on this.....
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by slowmo on Dec 12, 2008 21:25:59 GMT 1, Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgalleryThat board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display Not prints kept in folders. 1 Banksy 2 Faile 3 D*Face 4 Micallef 5 Nick Walker 6 Guy Denning 7 Adam Neate 8 Eine
Pretty clever way of looking at it
Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgalleryThat board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display Not prints kept in folders. 1 Banksy 2 Faile 3 D*Face 4 Micallef 5 Nick Walker 6 Guy Denning 7 Adam Neate 8 Eine Pretty clever way of looking at it |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by underpaidartist on Dec 12, 2008 21:27:05 GMT 1, Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgalleryThat board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display Not prints kept in folders. 1 Banksy 2 Faile 3 D*Face 4 Micallef 5 Nick Walker 6 Guy Denning 7 Adam Neate 8 Eine
good idea but it could also just show who is the cheapest to frame, who has released the most prints or who is the least resalable.
oh and of course there is also a big wide world outside the window.
merry xmas all.
Noticed this the other week and forgot to post about it If you want to see who's second take a look at the Peoples Gallery section of the forum - urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgalleryThat board is set up so the thread with the most posts is at the top ;D Meaning the nearer the Artist is to the top, ruffly the more pieces people have framed up and on display Not prints kept in folders. 1 Banksy 2 Faile 3 D*Face 4 Micallef 5 Nick Walker 6 Guy Denning 7 Adam Neate 8 Eine good idea but it could also just show who is the cheapest to frame, who has released the most prints or who is the least resalable. oh and of course there is also a big wide world outside the window. merry xmas all. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by mishco on Dec 12, 2008 21:30:33 GMT 1, i just don't see walker as technically skilled. i've got 3 of his pieces on show but if it came to a showdown between walker and neate, nick would be left in the dust, no questions. i appreciate that walker was in the 'scene' earlier but he's just not as skilled as neate.
i just don't see walker as technically skilled. i've got 3 of his pieces on show but if it came to a showdown between walker and neate, nick would be left in the dust, no questions. i appreciate that walker was in the 'scene' earlier but he's just not as skilled as neate.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Bram on Dec 12, 2008 22:11:36 GMT 1, i just don't see walker as technically skilled. i've got 3 of his pieces on show but if it came to a showdown between walker and neate, nick would be left in the dust, no questions. i appreciate that walker was in the 'scene' earlier but he's just not as skilled as neate.
So who's better? as Harry Hill would say....there's only one way to find out
i just don't see walker as technically skilled. i've got 3 of his pieces on show but if it came to a showdown between walker and neate, nick would be left in the dust, no questions. i appreciate that walker was in the 'scene' earlier but he's just not as skilled as neate. So who's better? as Harry Hill would say....there's only one way to find out |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by mose on Dec 12, 2008 22:47:30 GMT 1, As before, and even closer to #1 now, Shepard Fairey.
As before, and even closer to #1 now, Shepard Fairey.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by admonkey on Dec 12, 2008 23:57:40 GMT 1, Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know.
What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein.
Warhol was doing much more than "art." Warhol was creating a "Warhol brand," with products such as films, music and music production (Velvet Underground), multi-media shows, licensed products, books, photography, paid television appearances, modeling, etc. At the time of his death, there wasn't so much a man named Andy Warhol as there was a franchise named Andy Warhol.
Lichtenstein, for his part, licensed his art to appear on everything from umbrellas to paper plates-- cheap (or inexpensive, however you want to define it) consumer products. I'm sure, had he lived longer, the list would have continued to grow.
Both of these artists-- and I challenge anyone to call Warhol and Lichtenstein anything BUT artists-- were, like Shepard, heavily influenced by advertising. Warhol even worked IN advertising as an illustrator (and Shepard has an advertising design studio). People who work in or study advertising-- at least all of the ones I've been around, and that's been more than a few-- understand brand building and the power of brand extension, both in terms of "getting the message out" and in terms of profit potential.
Shepard had the upper hand in coming after Warhol and Lichtenstein, and learning and studying their methods and career trajectories. Both Warhol and Lichtenstein got to the "brand extension" party relatively late in their careers (or at least late middle in Warhol's case). Shepard, in his studies, saw the potential and plowed ahead early on so that now, in his late 30's, he's a magnitude or more ahead of where Warhol was in regards to empire building at that stage of his career.
So Shepard has prints, posters, a clothing line, a magazine, toys and a record label.
That doesn't make him "different" or any less of an artist.
It simply makes him a magnificently smart one.
Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein. Warhol was doing much more than "art." Warhol was creating a "Warhol brand," with products such as films, music and music production (Velvet Underground), multi-media shows, licensed products, books, photography, paid television appearances, modeling, etc. At the time of his death, there wasn't so much a man named Andy Warhol as there was a franchise named Andy Warhol. Lichtenstein, for his part, licensed his art to appear on everything from umbrellas to paper plates-- cheap (or inexpensive, however you want to define it) consumer products. I'm sure, had he lived longer, the list would have continued to grow. Both of these artists-- and I challenge anyone to call Warhol and Lichtenstein anything BUT artists-- were, like Shepard, heavily influenced by advertising. Warhol even worked IN advertising as an illustrator (and Shepard has an advertising design studio). People who work in or study advertising-- at least all of the ones I've been around, and that's been more than a few-- understand brand building and the power of brand extension, both in terms of "getting the message out" and in terms of profit potential. Shepard had the upper hand in coming after Warhol and Lichtenstein, and learning and studying their methods and career trajectories. Both Warhol and Lichtenstein got to the "brand extension" party relatively late in their careers (or at least late middle in Warhol's case). Shepard, in his studies, saw the potential and plowed ahead early on so that now, in his late 30's, he's a magnitude or more ahead of where Warhol was in regards to empire building at that stage of his career. So Shepard has prints, posters, a clothing line, a magazine, toys and a record label. That doesn't make him "different" or any less of an artist. It simply makes him a magnificently smart one. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by skelly on Dec 13, 2008 0:43:11 GMT 1, Neate
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Francis on Dec 13, 2008 20:20:55 GMT 1, Indubitably, Shepard Fairey is the biggest artist in the scene
Indubitably, Shepard Fairey is the biggest artist in the scene
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by ilikekittens on Dec 14, 2008 18:09:20 GMT 1, Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein.
Great interesting post
The title of this thread is difficult to define . . . I've always thought it daft to categorise art as I think it pigeon holes the artist/human being - why can't someone in a lifetime explore and change direction completely - which is really art in itself - just because they might have been successful in one area - why can't they change?? Why can't they do more than one thing - dustman by day, cake decorator by night.
Most don't change through fear.
Having said that I do think Micallef is an illustrator.
I also think a lot of Urban or 'street' stuff is not subversive enough to be art. Screenprinting or stencilling a well known image doesn't say anything to me.
But then something similar is a cash cow for Richard Prince.
I think this thread is more to do with what's the next money spinner . . .could be wrong
and I dunno the answer - wish I did.
Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein. Great interesting post The title of this thread is difficult to define . . . I've always thought it daft to categorise art as I think it pigeon holes the artist/human being - why can't someone in a lifetime explore and change direction completely - which is really art in itself - just because they might have been successful in one area - why can't they change?? Why can't they do more than one thing - dustman by day, cake decorator by night. Most don't change through fear. Having said that I do think Micallef is an illustrator. I also think a lot of Urban or 'street' stuff is not subversive enough to be art. Screenprinting or stencilling a well known image doesn't say anything to me. But then something similar is a cash cow for Richard Prince. I think this thread is more to do with what's the next money spinner . . .could be wrong and I dunno the answer - wish I did. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by ilikekittens on Dec 14, 2008 18:12:24 GMT 1, I also heard that Banksy has registered his name for 'other' merchandise. I think he is already a brand - but this almost confirms the fact that he is planning to be a brand, name anyway.
I also heard that Banksy has registered his name for 'other' merchandise. I think he is already a brand - but this almost confirms the fact that he is planning to be a brand, name anyway.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by RBK on Dec 14, 2008 19:33:59 GMT 1, Incredible Artist ;D But how many people own a piece by him? Thats the problem at the moment  If people cant afford anything by him they are gonna look elsewhere. If he can get some quality print out at reasonable prices he can really go places How can this possibly have a negative impact on his career! Crazy, you could argue that one of the reasons he is so succesful is the scarcity of his work. If anything releasing a series of quality prints at an affordable price goes against everything that Parla is about. He has never gone down this path and why start now? The success of an artist should never be relative to how affordable or accessable their work is to own.
onemandown72's post is dead on!
Incredible Artist ;D But how many people own a piece by him? Thats the problem at the moment If people cant afford anything by him they are gonna look elsewhere. If he can get some quality print out at reasonable prices he can really go places How can this possibly have a negative impact on his career! Crazy, you could argue that one of the reasons he is so succesful is the scarcity of his work. If anything releasing a series of quality prints at an affordable price goes against everything that Parla is about. He has never gone down this path and why start now? The success of an artist should never be relative to how affordable or accessable their work is to own. onemandown72's post is dead on! |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 14, 2008 19:49:26 GMT 1, Banksy is the second biggest street artist in the scene right now!
2008 saw Shep take the top spot this year. With regards to overall sales, Shep smashes Banksy, and he also had the biggest print this year with "Hope". Hope's value increased from $40 to $4000 in a little over six months, that's a 10,000% increase in less than a year! No Banksy print has ever saw that kind of increase in that short of a period of time. Sorry guys, but Mr. Banks is #2 these days.
And judging by this year's gallery success I would say Kaws is #3.
Banksy is the second biggest street artist in the scene right now!
2008 saw Shep take the top spot this year. With regards to overall sales, Shep smashes Banksy, and he also had the biggest print this year with "Hope". Hope's value increased from $40 to $4000 in a little over six months, that's a 10,000% increase in less than a year! No Banksy print has ever saw that kind of increase in that short of a period of time. Sorry guys, but Mr. Banks is #2 these days.
And judging by this year's gallery success I would say Kaws is #3.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by lee3 on Dec 14, 2008 20:11:22 GMT 1, Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein. Warhol was doing much more than "art." Warhol was creating a "Warhol brand," with products such as films, music and music production (Velvet Underground), multi-media shows, licensed products, books, photography, paid television appearances, modeling, etc. At the time of his death, there wasn't so much a man named Andy Warhol as there was a franchise named Andy Warhol. Lichtenstein, for his part, licensed his art to appear on everything from umbrellas to paper plates-- cheap (or inexpensive, however you want to define it) consumer products. I'm sure, had he lived longer, the list would have continued to grow. Both of these artists-- and I challenge anyone to call Warhol and Lichtenstein anything BUT artists-- were, like Shepard, heavily influenced by advertising. Warhol even worked IN advertising as an illustrator (and Shepard has an advertising design studio). People who work in or study advertising-- at least all of the ones I've been around, and that's been more than a few-- understand brand building and the power of brand extension, both in terms of "getting the message out" and in terms of profit potential. Shepard had the upper hand in coming after Warhol and Lichtenstein, and learning and studying their methods and career trajectories. Both Warhol and Lichtenstein got to the "brand extension" party relatively late in their careers (or at least late middle in Warhol's case). Shepard, in his studies, saw the potential and plowed ahead early on so that now, in his late 30's, he's a magnitude or more ahead of where Warhol was in regards to empire building at that stage of his career. So Shepard has prints, posters, a clothing line, a magazine, toys and a record label. That doesn't make him "different" or any less of an artist. It simply makes him a magnificently smart one.
Interesting post. I'm more of a lurker on threads like this but that got my mind rolling a bit. I agree with your analogy of branding but what I don't see from Shep is something new. Yes, it is indeed a powerful brand and one can not overstate the importance of that. However, i on a personal level fail to see where it is groundbreaking. He's very political and talented at furthering his agenda but not in any giant leap fashion that i can see. Warhol had a profound impact with political subjects like Stalin, Mao, Jackie, etc. Hell the list is endless in this case and in a way it dilutes the impact that others can have on me I suppose. And as profound an impact as Warhol had even that should be viewed in context. It's not as though he created his work in an opressive atmosphere like Malevich who courageously had to hide his political commentary within landscape and other "pretty" paintings under Stalin himself. Shep is a brilliant reflection of the times but I have my doubts about his place in art history (that's not to suggest that he cares one bit about this.)
Whether he likes it or not (I get the impression the he does not), Banksy has already secured his position within art history and i suspect will be discussed quite seriously by people on this planet long after we're all gone (provided we last long enough as a species). I'm not one for ranking artists as I don't have much of an artistic bone in my body but sure do appreciate great work when i see it. The ones that push my mind in new directions to look at the world differently are the ones that I choose to hang on my wall (if i can afford them). Banksy clearly has that intangible that i don't know how to describe in words. You don't have to be the most gifted technically to have a profound effect on the world and quite often simple art is the best art in all kinds of mediums. Look no further than Banksy and Warhol for this point though I think most people underestimate both artist's command of the basics and especially color. Their intellect is obvious however. Perhaps I need to look at Shep closer but I just don't see whatever the intangible is that I'm looking for. As for who is #2 i have no clue but I do find it fascinating and agree that street/urban art will be written as a bona fide movement within the context of art history.
Shep/Obey is a very different animal than Banksy or any of the other Artists being talked about on this thread. Its more of a Brand with its Prints, Posters, Clothing, Magazine, Toys Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know. What Silky doesn't recall-- or doesn't know or chooses to ignore (and I'm not calling him out)-- is that Shepard took his cues from pop artists like Warhol and Lichtenstein. Warhol was doing much more than "art." Warhol was creating a "Warhol brand," with products such as films, music and music production (Velvet Underground), multi-media shows, licensed products, books, photography, paid television appearances, modeling, etc. At the time of his death, there wasn't so much a man named Andy Warhol as there was a franchise named Andy Warhol. Lichtenstein, for his part, licensed his art to appear on everything from umbrellas to paper plates-- cheap (or inexpensive, however you want to define it) consumer products. I'm sure, had he lived longer, the list would have continued to grow. Both of these artists-- and I challenge anyone to call Warhol and Lichtenstein anything BUT artists-- were, like Shepard, heavily influenced by advertising. Warhol even worked IN advertising as an illustrator (and Shepard has an advertising design studio). People who work in or study advertising-- at least all of the ones I've been around, and that's been more than a few-- understand brand building and the power of brand extension, both in terms of "getting the message out" and in terms of profit potential. Shepard had the upper hand in coming after Warhol and Lichtenstein, and learning and studying their methods and career trajectories. Both Warhol and Lichtenstein got to the "brand extension" party relatively late in their careers (or at least late middle in Warhol's case). Shepard, in his studies, saw the potential and plowed ahead early on so that now, in his late 30's, he's a magnitude or more ahead of where Warhol was in regards to empire building at that stage of his career. So Shepard has prints, posters, a clothing line, a magazine, toys and a record label. That doesn't make him "different" or any less of an artist. It simply makes him a magnificently smart one. Interesting post. I'm more of a lurker on threads like this but that got my mind rolling a bit. I agree with your analogy of branding but what I don't see from Shep is something new. Yes, it is indeed a powerful brand and one can not overstate the importance of that. However, i on a personal level fail to see where it is groundbreaking. He's very political and talented at furthering his agenda but not in any giant leap fashion that i can see. Warhol had a profound impact with political subjects like Stalin, Mao, Jackie, etc. Hell the list is endless in this case and in a way it dilutes the impact that others can have on me I suppose. And as profound an impact as Warhol had even that should be viewed in context. It's not as though he created his work in an opressive atmosphere like Malevich who courageously had to hide his political commentary within landscape and other "pretty" paintings under Stalin himself. Shep is a brilliant reflection of the times but I have my doubts about his place in art history (that's not to suggest that he cares one bit about this.) Whether he likes it or not (I get the impression the he does not), Banksy has already secured his position within art history and i suspect will be discussed quite seriously by people on this planet long after we're all gone (provided we last long enough as a species). I'm not one for ranking artists as I don't have much of an artistic bone in my body but sure do appreciate great work when i see it. The ones that push my mind in new directions to look at the world differently are the ones that I choose to hang on my wall (if i can afford them). Banksy clearly has that intangible that i don't know how to describe in words. You don't have to be the most gifted technically to have a profound effect on the world and quite often simple art is the best art in all kinds of mediums. Look no further than Banksy and Warhol for this point though I think most people underestimate both artist's command of the basics and especially color. Their intellect is obvious however. Perhaps I need to look at Shep closer but I just don't see whatever the intangible is that I'm looking for. As for who is #2 i have no clue but I do find it fascinating and agree that street/urban art will be written as a bona fide movement within the context of art history. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 14, 2008 22:40:02 GMT 1, FAILE, as of right now, no argument about it as far as I'm concerned, they've put some serious sh*t together, they don't rest on their laurels and they take chances. I think their work speaks volumes about todays world, with the overload of visual stimulus and mash up of discordant imagery and thoughts. Not to mention they already have an auction record of (i think) $200,000.
As for the Obey speculation, I don't see it at all. The guy is a brand/commercial artist. His brand is huge, that's why he has notoriety. But he won't ever have the respect in the fine art world that he has in scenes like this. And even in scenes like this it's questionable. And, although some of his images honestly aren't bad, some of his images are the corniest and schlockiest, no concept crap to come out in recent years. I think Obey posters will have the same appeal in 30 years as stuff like the 60s fillmore posters have. Collectible but it ain't exactly fine art
FAILE, as of right now, no argument about it as far as I'm concerned, they've put some serious sh*t together, they don't rest on their laurels and they take chances. I think their work speaks volumes about todays world, with the overload of visual stimulus and mash up of discordant imagery and thoughts. Not to mention they already have an auction record of (i think) $200,000.
As for the Obey speculation, I don't see it at all. The guy is a brand/commercial artist. His brand is huge, that's why he has notoriety. But he won't ever have the respect in the fine art world that he has in scenes like this. And even in scenes like this it's questionable. And, although some of his images honestly aren't bad, some of his images are the corniest and schlockiest, no concept crap to come out in recent years. I think Obey posters will have the same appeal in 30 years as stuff like the 60s fillmore posters have. Collectible but it ain't exactly fine art
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 14, 2008 22:47:51 GMT 1, Banksy is the second biggest street artist in the scene right now! 2008 saw Shep take the top spot this year. With regards to overall sales, Shep smashes Banksy, and he also had the biggest print this year with "Hope". Hope's value increased from $40 to $4000 in a little over six months, that's a 10,000% increase in less than a year! No Banksy print has ever saw that kind of increase in that short of a period of time. Sorry guys, but Mr. Banks is #2 these days. And judging by this year's gallery success I would say Kaws is #3.
I'll agree that Obey takes the #1 spot for most sh*te unloaded on the public. But other than that, I could not disagree more with your rationale.
Banksy is the second biggest street artist in the scene right now! 2008 saw Shep take the top spot this year. With regards to overall sales, Shep smashes Banksy, and he also had the biggest print this year with "Hope". Hope's value increased from $40 to $4000 in a little over six months, that's a 10,000% increase in less than a year! No Banksy print has ever saw that kind of increase in that short of a period of time. Sorry guys, but Mr. Banks is #2 these days. And judging by this year's gallery success I would say Kaws is #3. I'll agree that Obey takes the #1 spot for most sh*te unloaded on the public. But other than that, I could not disagree more with your rationale. |
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Its sort of like a campaign rather than an Artist in the sense we all know.
Not prints kept in folders.
If people cant afford anything by him they are gonna look elsewhere.
