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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Francis on Dec 14, 2008 23:33:57 GMT 1, FAILE, as of right now, no argument about it as far as I'm concerned, they've put some serious sh*t together, they don't rest on their laurels and they take chances. I think their work speaks volumes about todays world, with the overload of visual stimulus and mash up of discordant imagery and thoughts. Not to mention they already have an auction record of (i think) $200,000. As for the Obey speculation, I don't see it at all. The guy is a brand/commercial artist. His brand is huge, that's why he has notoriety. But he won't ever have the respect in the fine art world that he has in scenes like this. And even in scenes like this it's questionable. And, although some of his images honestly aren't bad, some of his images are the corniest and schlockiest, no concept crap to come out in recent years. I think Obey posters will have the same appeal in 30 years as stuff like the 60s fillmore posters have. Collectible but it ain't exactly fine art
snausages, how uninformed can you be? You bring up the fact that Faile has sold something for $200,00...you DO realize that Shepard Fairey has sold a piece over 1.5x that amount, right?
FAILE, as of right now, no argument about it as far as I'm concerned, they've put some serious sh*t together, they don't rest on their laurels and they take chances. I think their work speaks volumes about todays world, with the overload of visual stimulus and mash up of discordant imagery and thoughts. Not to mention they already have an auction record of (i think) $200,000. As for the Obey speculation, I don't see it at all. The guy is a brand/commercial artist. His brand is huge, that's why he has notoriety. But he won't ever have the respect in the fine art world that he has in scenes like this. And even in scenes like this it's questionable. And, although some of his images honestly aren't bad, some of his images are the corniest and schlockiest, no concept crap to come out in recent years. I think Obey posters will have the same appeal in 30 years as stuff like the 60s fillmore posters have. Collectible but it ain't exactly fine artsnausages, how uninformed can you be? You bring up the fact that Faile has sold something for $200,00...you DO realize that Shepard Fairey has sold a piece over 1.5x that amount, right? |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 14, 2008 23:37:33 GMT 1, I think you missed my point, it doesn't really matter to me how much someone has paid for something by Fairey because I don't consider it fine art at all.
I think you missed my point, it doesn't really matter to me how much someone has paid for something by Fairey because I don't consider it fine art at all.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Francis on Dec 14, 2008 23:41:14 GMT 1, I think you missed my point, it doesn't really matter to me how much someone has paid for something by Fairey because I don't consider it fine art at all.
So, why didn't you just say that you have bad taste?
That has nothing to do with Shepard Fairey.
I think you missed my point, it doesn't really matter to me how much someone has paid for something by Fairey because I don't consider it fine art at all. So, why didn't you just say that you have bad taste? That has nothing to do with Shepard Fairey. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by origo on Dec 14, 2008 23:43:05 GMT 1, Seems like people get too subjective in this thread, it´s pretty obvious that people are calling for the artists that they like and not looking at reality.
Faile doesn´t even come close to Shep Fairey, I am not a huge fan of either but Fairey was big before the whole "Hope" saga which took him to a whole nother level and I reckon that he is probably the biggest street artist at the moment.
His show at White Walls in SF was a big succes like all his shows, his name has been exposed worldwide to massive crowds, there no stopping this guy.
Seems like people get too subjective in this thread, it´s pretty obvious that people are calling for the artists that they like and not looking at reality.
Faile doesn´t even come close to Shep Fairey, I am not a huge fan of either but Fairey was big before the whole "Hope" saga which took him to a whole nother level and I reckon that he is probably the biggest street artist at the moment.
His show at White Walls in SF was a big succes like all his shows, his name has been exposed worldwide to massive crowds, there no stopping this guy.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 14, 2008 23:53:56 GMT 1, Hope was a commercial illustration, like practically everything Fairey does, nothing wrong with that sure, but it's not fine art. Faile not coming close to Fairey? Get serious Faile are very well established.
Hope was a commercial illustration, like practically everything Fairey does, nothing wrong with that sure, but it's not fine art. Faile not coming close to Fairey? Get serious Faile are very well established.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by origo on Dec 15, 2008 0:02:26 GMT 1, It sure was, he was promoting an important message, in the streets as well and that is one of the most important factors in streetart, getting the message out.
Faile is good for sure, but the thread asks who is the second biggest artist assuming that Banksy is number 1.
I might think that Fairey has grown even bigger after the whole Obama thing, for now...
It sure was, he was promoting an important message, in the streets as well and that is one of the most important factors in streetart, getting the message out.
Faile is good for sure, but the thread asks who is the second biggest artist assuming that Banksy is number 1.
I might think that Fairey has grown even bigger after the whole Obama thing, for now...
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by mose on Dec 15, 2008 0:02:44 GMT 1, Get serious Faile are very well established.
The debate of what constitutes 'fine art' is an interesting one. I think you are wrong with regard to Fairey but it would be a fun one to discuss.
But the above-quoted statement is very wrong, IMO, unless one thinks of street/urban art as some isolated little island and not part of the bigger contemporary art world.
Get serious Faile are very well established. The debate of what constitutes 'fine art' is an interesting one. I think you are wrong with regard to Fairey but it would be a fun one to discuss. But the above-quoted statement is very wrong, IMO, unless one thinks of street/urban art as some isolated little island and not part of the bigger contemporary art world. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Francis on Dec 15, 2008 0:04:33 GMT 1, Hope was a commercial illustration, like practically everything Fairey does, nothing wrong with that sure, but it's not fine art. Faile not coming close to Fairey? Get serious Faile are very well established.
Ignoring the fact that Shepard Fairey is already a better "fine art" artist than Faile....when did this thread ask who was the bigger fine art artist and what is or is not fine art?
And in regards to your thoughts on Faile...you are more than wrong. Faile is good at separating ignorant folks from their money. Their art is decent, but not worth 5% of what they are asking for.
Hope was a commercial illustration, like practically everything Fairey does, nothing wrong with that sure, but it's not fine art. Faile not coming close to Fairey? Get serious Faile are very well established. Ignoring the fact that Shepard Fairey is already a better "fine art" artist than Faile....when did this thread ask who was the bigger fine art artist and what is or is not fine art? And in regards to your thoughts on Faile...you are more than wrong. Faile is good at separating ignorant folks from their money. Their art is decent, but not worth 5% of what they are asking for. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by graeme501 on Dec 15, 2008 0:08:17 GMT 1, it depends what you are looking at, be it gallery work, street work, cost at source, how big they are in the 'scene', how big they are outwith the 'scene', biggest profit, most sales, most progression, or personal taste
it depends what you are looking at, be it gallery work, street work, cost at source, how big they are in the 'scene', how big they are outwith the 'scene', biggest profit, most sales, most progression, or personal taste
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by wiz on Dec 15, 2008 0:08:17 GMT 1, Who or what body decides whether a work is classed "Fine Art"? is it up to the Artist/ Dealer/ buyers?, or is it judged as so by a more set basis of work being shown somewhere?.
Who or what body decides whether a work is classed "Fine Art"? is it up to the Artist/ Dealer/ buyers?, or is it judged as so by a more set basis of work being shown somewhere?.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by hermit on Dec 15, 2008 0:09:24 GMT 1, my vote is for Fairey
my vote is for Fairey
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by hick on Dec 15, 2008 0:18:52 GMT 1, nick walker is quite chunky....
nick walker is quite chunky....
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 15, 2008 0:20:12 GMT 1, Get serious Faile are very well established. The debate of what constitutes 'fine art' is an interesting one. I think you are wrong with regard to Fairey but it would be a fun one to discuss. But the above-quoted statement is very wrong, IMO, unless one thinks of street/urban art as some isolated little island and not part of the bigger contemporary art world.
The commercial art/fine art is a debate upon itself but something that MANY people have an issue with about Fairey. But note that neither Banksy or Faile released a single image for commercial purposes this year—because that is not the point of their work, to sell products. They have a different vision entirely. They do not have a clothing line, they don't sell skateboards, hoodies, wine, fanny packs or whatever they can get a deal for. That's not why they make art.
It's not about taste, I think Fairey's poster for Janes Addiction was pretty nice, the PE poster was good too, thanks to the great photograph by Freidman, but it's just a poster and I don't think printing it on wood with some crackle makes it "fine art." And there are a lot of poster artists in the world, just because someone throws it up on the street does it qualify them as a "street artist" let alone "fine artist."
And if you're implying that I'm off about Faile being very well established. Well I'm basing that on several sell out shows on several different continents, Very strong auction sales at the worlds best auctions houses as well as a commission with the Tate to do an installation on the outside wall. In some major private and corporate collections as well. And who kows what else, I'm not really a fanboy following their every move. Their resumé could be stronger, and hopefully will be. But that's much more established than many artists. But sure everything is up for debate...
Get serious Faile are very well established. The debate of what constitutes 'fine art' is an interesting one. I think you are wrong with regard to Fairey but it would be a fun one to discuss. But the above-quoted statement is very wrong, IMO, unless one thinks of street/urban art as some isolated little island and not part of the bigger contemporary art world. The commercial art/fine art is a debate upon itself but something that MANY people have an issue with about Fairey. But note that neither Banksy or Faile released a single image for commercial purposes this year—because that is not the point of their work, to sell products. They have a different vision entirely. They do not have a clothing line, they don't sell skateboards, hoodies, wine, fanny packs or whatever they can get a deal for. That's not why they make art. It's not about taste, I think Fairey's poster for Janes Addiction was pretty nice, the PE poster was good too, thanks to the great photograph by Freidman, but it's just a poster and I don't think printing it on wood with some crackle makes it "fine art." And there are a lot of poster artists in the world, just because someone throws it up on the street does it qualify them as a "street artist" let alone "fine artist." And if you're implying that I'm off about Faile being very well established. Well I'm basing that on several sell out shows on several different continents, Very strong auction sales at the worlds best auctions houses as well as a commission with the Tate to do an installation on the outside wall. In some major private and corporate collections as well. And who kows what else, I'm not really a fanboy following their every move. Their resumé could be stronger, and hopefully will be. But that's much more established than many artists. But sure everything is up for debate... |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by thetruth55 on Dec 15, 2008 0:27:40 GMT 1, Who or what body decides whether a work is classed "Fine Art"? is it up to the Artist/ Dealer/ buyers?, or is it judged as so by a more set basis of work being shown somewhere?.
I think some people look at whether it is fine art or not by analyzing the amount of the artist's work on the market. Shepard releases about 450 silkscreen prints a week - it's like a mass production facility. 450 tubes with prints wrapped each week...just waiting for address slips to be slapped to the tubes......the owners determined by whoever has the endurance for a 3-hour checkout process on a prehistoric server and system.
Faile on the other hand releases their work in very small quantities for the most part (aside from the two Paper Monster releases this year). All of their work is hand-finished and is given more work with layering, paints, etc.......I think this is where the distinction in fine art is made. It's more of an artistic process. And sure, Faile may have assistants help in these steps, but Shepard has never even numbered his own prints, so it can go either way in this regard.
People are always going to fight back and forth....who is the bigger artist, etc. After having read around these forums enough, it has become pretty clear to me that people are always going to side with the artists whose work graces their own wall. Everybody roots for the home team. 
Still, I think this "fine art" concept is founded more around the exclusivity of the artist's work. Are Banksy's prints more "fine art" than Shep's in term of print-making? Heck no! Probably even less. But Banksy's work has a lot higher demand due to it being hard to obtain and the prices that they automatically fetch at auction. And because more of Banksy's prints are seen in the premier auction houses than Shep's, they are considered "fine art," because surely those big-wigs with all of the money bidding at these stuffy auction houses on Banksy prints must mean that what they want is "fine art." 
Just my quick analysis. For the record, I am a fan of Shep and Faile. But if I had to sell a few Sheps to acquire a nice Faile, then I'm going to do that in a heartbeat.
Who or what body decides whether a work is classed "Fine Art"? is it up to the Artist/ Dealer/ buyers?, or is it judged as so by a more set basis of work being shown somewhere?. I think some people look at whether it is fine art or not by analyzing the amount of the artist's work on the market. Shepard releases about 450 silkscreen prints a week - it's like a mass production facility. 450 tubes with prints wrapped each week...just waiting for address slips to be slapped to the tubes......the owners determined by whoever has the endurance for a 3-hour checkout process on a prehistoric server and system. Faile on the other hand releases their work in very small quantities for the most part (aside from the two Paper Monster releases this year). All of their work is hand-finished and is given more work with layering, paints, etc.......I think this is where the distinction in fine art is made. It's more of an artistic process. And sure, Faile may have assistants help in these steps, but Shepard has never even numbered his own prints, so it can go either way in this regard. People are always going to fight back and forth....who is the bigger artist, etc. After having read around these forums enough, it has become pretty clear to me that people are always going to side with the artists whose work graces their own wall. Everybody roots for the home team. Still, I think this "fine art" concept is founded more around the exclusivity of the artist's work. Are Banksy's prints more "fine art" than Shep's in term of print-making? Heck no! Probably even less. But Banksy's work has a lot higher demand due to it being hard to obtain and the prices that they automatically fetch at auction. And because more of Banksy's prints are seen in the premier auction houses than Shep's, they are considered "fine art," because surely those big-wigs with all of the money bidding at these stuffy auction houses on Banksy prints must mean that what they want is "fine art." Just my quick analysis. For the record, I am a fan of Shep and Faile. But if I had to sell a few Sheps to acquire a nice Faile, then I'm going to do that in a heartbeat. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 15, 2008 1:44:22 GMT 1, I like how people are throwing around the words "fine art" like it's the 11th commandment on this thread, but when people mention contemporary artists that don't make pasters or stencils around here the board goes dead silent (except for a few... sfdoddsy). Faile and Shepard Fairey are both artists, but their work doesn't hold a a flame to any of the hoards of good contemporary artists out there. Here's a 30 second history lesson to everyone: SHEPARD FAIREY RIPS OFF A MYRIAD OF IMAGE SOURCES TO THE EXTENT THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PLAGARISM, AND FAILE'S ENTIRE ARTISTIC STYLE IS A DIRECT RIPOFF OF MIMMO ROTELLA, BUT UNFORYUNATELY YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT A STYLE. To say that one artist is STYLISTICALLY above the other one is ridiculous because they both are crap!
I like how people are throwing around the words "fine art" like it's the 11th commandment on this thread, but when people mention contemporary artists that don't make pasters or stencils around here the board goes dead silent (except for a few... sfdoddsy). Faile and Shepard Fairey are both artists, but their work doesn't hold a a flame to any of the hoards of good contemporary artists out there. Here's a 30 second history lesson to everyone: SHEPARD FAIREY RIPS OFF A MYRIAD OF IMAGE SOURCES TO THE EXTENT THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PLAGARISM, AND FAILE'S ENTIRE ARTISTIC STYLE IS A DIRECT RIPOFF OF MIMMO ROTELLA, BUT UNFORYUNATELY YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT A STYLE. To say that one artist is STYLISTICALLY above the other one is ridiculous because they both are crap!
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 15, 2008 2:01:20 GMT 1, Well, thanks for clearing that up, case closed, all work outside of "fine art" is crap anyway so who cares?
BTW I thought Mimmo Rotella just ripped off Raymond Hains and Jacques Villeglé who are often credited with inventing the style, ...so Mimmo is "crap" too right?
Anyway this is what I like about Villeglé, (and also what it is about Faile that resonates with me) "His work has primarily focused on the anonymous and on the marginal remains of civilization."
Well, thanks for clearing that up, case closed, all work outside of "fine art" is crap anyway so who cares?
BTW I thought Mimmo Rotella just ripped off Raymond Hains and Jacques Villeglé who are often credited with inventing the style, ...so Mimmo is "crap" too right?
Anyway this is what I like about Villeglé, (and also what it is about Faile that resonates with me) "His work has primarily focused on the anonymous and on the marginal remains of civilization."
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 15, 2008 2:12:05 GMT 1, Well, thanks for clearing that up, case closed, all work outside of "fine art" is crap anyway so who cares? BTW I thought Mimmo Rotella just ripped off Raymond Hains and Jacques Villeglé who are often credited with inventing the style, ...so Mimmo is "crap" too right?
They were contemporaries... all three were part of the Nouveau Réalisme group, I just happened to use Rotella as an example, although you could really use any of the names, it was a 30 second art lesson.
But please enlighten me as to what new ideas Faile brings to the table.
Well, thanks for clearing that up, case closed, all work outside of "fine art" is crap anyway so who cares? BTW I thought Mimmo Rotella just ripped off Raymond Hains and Jacques Villeglé who are often credited with inventing the style, ...so Mimmo is "crap" too right? They were contemporaries... all three were part of the Nouveau Réalisme group, I just happened to use Rotella as an example, although you could really use any of the names, it was a 30 second art lesson. But please enlighten me as to what new ideas Faile brings to the table. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by robbsutt on Dec 15, 2008 2:23:56 GMT 1, Faile but Parla's coming on strong for me....
Faile but Parla's coming on strong for me....
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 15, 2008 2:25:00 GMT 1, Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile?
Anyway for starters, I'd say content and context is where they differ. Faile is consciously crafting their own message in their work and picking up on themes not necessarily ripped off from pop culture and advertising (such as the Native American influence or the comic book covers that aren't ripped off ala Lichtenstein but entire new creations with with wording by Faile.) I'm sure they 'borrow' imagery at times but know for a fact they also have models pose for them as well. So they're not just presenting fragments of society such as the Nouveaus. Nor are they simply 're-presenting' pop culture in a different context such as the pop artists, although those aspects are a part of the story. So what I find interesting is that they are fabricating these pieces entirely from scratch and creating their own more personal unique worlds with their own story instead of just presenting a found poster for Casablanca et al. all torn up.
I'd also say that the way Faile presents their work has been pretty innovative and groundbreaking and adds to this quality of despair, marginalization and fragmented society. Plus the totem pole/prayer wheel sculptures for example I think show them expanding outside of the box of what's expected.
(not my pics but this was one of the best installations/presentations of work I've seen—in fine art/street art whatever) www.flickr.com/photos/ggunter/sets/72157600335536679/
Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile? Anyway for starters, I'd say content and context is where they differ. Faile is consciously crafting their own message in their work and picking up on themes not necessarily ripped off from pop culture and advertising (such as the Native American influence or the comic book covers that aren't ripped off ala Lichtenstein but entire new creations with with wording by Faile.) I'm sure they 'borrow' imagery at times but know for a fact they also have models pose for them as well. So they're not just presenting fragments of society such as the Nouveaus. Nor are they simply 're-presenting' pop culture in a different context such as the pop artists, although those aspects are a part of the story. So what I find interesting is that they are fabricating these pieces entirely from scratch and creating their own more personal unique worlds with their own story instead of just presenting a found poster for Casablanca et al. all torn up. I'd also say that the way Faile presents their work has been pretty innovative and groundbreaking and adds to this quality of despair, marginalization and fragmented society. Plus the totem pole/prayer wheel sculptures for example I think show them expanding outside of the box of what's expected. (not my pics but this was one of the best installations/presentations of work I've seen—in fine art/street art whatever) www.flickr.com/photos/ggunter/sets/72157600335536679/ |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by lee3 on Dec 15, 2008 3:14:20 GMT 1, i was quite curious regarding which one of Hains, Villegle, and Rotella were the first to take posters from the streets and make their de collage master pieces. I did A LOT of research on this 4 or 5 years ago and from what I could find Villegle was the first to do it in 1949 though even that is questionable as there was an abstract Villegle auctioned last year listed as '48. It was more a curiosity than anything else to me as the 3 were contemporaries and each had their own variation on the theme. I looked at it similarly to Lichtenstein, Warhol, Ramos, etc all painting comic book characters/heros in the early 60s. A similar theme but different styles within the theme.
i was quite curious regarding which one of Hains, Villegle, and Rotella were the first to take posters from the streets and make their de collage master pieces. I did A LOT of research on this 4 or 5 years ago and from what I could find Villegle was the first to do it in 1949 though even that is questionable as there was an abstract Villegle auctioned last year listed as '48. It was more a curiosity than anything else to me as the 3 were contemporaries and each had their own variation on the theme. I looked at it similarly to Lichtenstein, Warhol, Ramos, etc all painting comic book characters/heros in the early 60s. A similar theme but different styles within the theme.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by oneeye on Dec 15, 2008 8:01:17 GMT 1, The pics from that Faile show look amazing. God, would I love to build a shrine of boxes that they had. Some of the best I've seen. Wouldn't mind me some of that corn from Cafe Habana either!
The pics from that Faile show look amazing. God, would I love to build a shrine of boxes that they had. Some of the best I've seen. Wouldn't mind me some of that corn from Cafe Habana either!
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 15, 2008 8:23:48 GMT 1, Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile?
i was quite curious regarding which one of Hains, Villegle, and Rotella were the first to take posters from the streets and make their de collage master pieces. I did A LOT of research on this 4 or 5 years ago and from what I could find Villegle was the first to do it in 1949 though even that is questionable as there was an abstract Villegle auctioned last year listed as '48.
There is a big difference between working with contemporaries to expand the idea, and ripping it off some 50 years later. I do however like your analysis of the Faile work snausages. Sorry I had to push so many buttons to get it out of you. I should also say that I currently own / or at one point in time have owned pieces by both Faile and Shepard Fairey, but my collecting tastes have since moved away from both artists. What originally attracted me to Faile was their appropriation of Kirby-esque typography / word art. Although people around here say Ben Eine is champ of that, I would beg to differ. Since that's what attracted me the most to them I thought why beat around the bush and I just started collecting Jack Kirby originals instead.
Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile? i was quite curious regarding which one of Hains, Villegle, and Rotella were the first to take posters from the streets and make their de collage master pieces. I did A LOT of research on this 4 or 5 years ago and from what I could find Villegle was the first to do it in 1949 though even that is questionable as there was an abstract Villegle auctioned last year listed as '48. There is a big difference between working with contemporaries to expand the idea, and ripping it off some 50 years later. I do however like your analysis of the Faile work snausages. Sorry I had to push so many buttons to get it out of you. I should also say that I currently own / or at one point in time have owned pieces by both Faile and Shepard Fairey, but my collecting tastes have since moved away from both artists. What originally attracted me to Faile was their appropriation of Kirby-esque typography / word art. Although people around here say Ben Eine is champ of that, I would beg to differ. Since that's what attracted me the most to them I thought why beat around the bush and I just started collecting Jack Kirby originals instead. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by dizzyegg05 on Dec 15, 2008 8:48:40 GMT 1, Yup a big Shep fan. I appreciate everything the giant has stood for and what it has become.
I do love Banksy work too ...as long as its on the streets. Banksy art on paper in a frame kind of feels kinda stupid to me. It doesn,t feel the same. Where Faireys work works anywhere.
As for Faile , no I'm not a fan but I'm not gonna hate upon em as there obviously immensely popular with what they do.
Yup a big Shep fan. I appreciate everything the giant has stood for and what it has become.
I do love Banksy work too ...as long as its on the streets. Banksy art on paper in a frame kind of feels kinda stupid to me. It doesn,t feel the same. Where Faireys work works anywhere.
As for Faile , no I'm not a fan but I'm not gonna hate upon em as there obviously immensely popular with what they do.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by howler on Dec 15, 2008 9:35:32 GMT 1, nick walker is quite chunky....
.......and D*Face is very tall.
nick walker is quite chunky.... .......and D*Face is very tall. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Gentle Mental on Dec 15, 2008 10:05:37 GMT 1, nick walker is quite chunky.... .......and D*Face is very tall.
but if you stack the Patricks...
nick walker is quite chunky.... .......and D*Face is very tall. but if you stack the Patricks... |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by motor on Dec 15, 2008 15:18:46 GMT 1, Good post about Faile Snausages.
Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile? Anyway for starters, I'd say content and context is where they differ. Faile is consciously crafting their own message in their work and picking up on themes not necessarily ripped off from pop culture and advertising (such as the Native American influence or the comic book covers that aren't ripped off ala Lichtenstein but entire new creations with with wording by Faile.) I'm sure they 'borrow' imagery at times but know for a fact they also have models pose for them as well. So they're not just presenting fragments of society such as the Nouveaus. Nor are they simply 're-presenting' pop culture in a different context such as the pop artists, although those aspects are a part of the story. So what I find interesting is that they are fabricating these pieces entirely from scratch and creating their own more personal unique worlds with their own story instead of just presenting a found poster for Casablanca et al. all torn up. I'd also say that the way Faile presents their work has been pretty innovative and groundbreaking and adds to this quality of despair, marginalization and fragmented society. Plus the totem pole/prayer wheel sculptures for example I think show them expanding outside of the box of what's expected.
As for the whole thing who is the biggest?
IMO it's all so subjective.
Banksy, Fairey, Faile, Parla, Neate...
Who knows.
Only time will tell, I say.
Good post about Faile Snausages. Yes all three were Nouveas but Mimmo did not invent it so why is it ok for him to take what someone else did? Why is it "fine art" when Mimmo did it but not Faile? Anyway for starters, I'd say content and context is where they differ. Faile is consciously crafting their own message in their work and picking up on themes not necessarily ripped off from pop culture and advertising (such as the Native American influence or the comic book covers that aren't ripped off ala Lichtenstein but entire new creations with with wording by Faile.) I'm sure they 'borrow' imagery at times but know for a fact they also have models pose for them as well. So they're not just presenting fragments of society such as the Nouveaus. Nor are they simply 're-presenting' pop culture in a different context such as the pop artists, although those aspects are a part of the story. So what I find interesting is that they are fabricating these pieces entirely from scratch and creating their own more personal unique worlds with their own story instead of just presenting a found poster for Casablanca et al. all torn up. I'd also say that the way Faile presents their work has been pretty innovative and groundbreaking and adds to this quality of despair, marginalization and fragmented society. Plus the totem pole/prayer wheel sculptures for example I think show them expanding outside of the box of what's expected. As for the whole thing who is the biggest? IMO it's all so subjective. Banksy, Fairey, Faile, Parla, Neate... Who knows. Only time will tell, I say. |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by mike hunt on Dec 15, 2008 20:06:23 GMT 1, Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'.
Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'.
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by Francis on Dec 15, 2008 20:39:44 GMT 1, Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'.
What exactly has Parla done to differentiate himself from this scene?
Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'. What exactly has Parla done to differentiate himself from this scene? |
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Who is the second biggest artist in the scene, by snausages on Dec 15, 2008 20:50:39 GMT 1, Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'.
But Parla also owes a lot to the original Nouvea artists mentioned above as well as artists like Cy Twombly plus other graffiti artists. I'll agree though that he has brought all these elements together in a personal and unique way that does not feel derivative. ...the same way Faile has brought several influences together and added their own unique vision to it.
Doesn't this thread just tell us that there is no obvious second place in this world to banksy? I think it may be Parla, because he's done things in a different way and has differentiated himself from the 'scene'. But Parla also owes a lot to the original Nouvea artists mentioned above as well as artists like Cy Twombly plus other graffiti artists. I'll agree though that he has brought all these elements together in a personal and unique way that does not feel derivative. ...the same way Faile has brought several influences together and added their own unique vision to it. |
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