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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 10:56:02 GMT 1, none on my face mate. your not seeing the bigger picture is all. ive tried to explain and so have others. you just want to blame individuals for direct actions, and not accept the trail of events that have led them to this act.
none on my face mate. your not seeing the bigger picture is all. ive tried to explain and so have others. you just want to blame individuals for direct actions, and not accept the trail of events that have led them to this act.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by curiousgeorge on Aug 9, 2011 11:00:28 GMT 1, None on yours?
You said "Somethin g tells me you wouldnt be going out of your way to help or improve the lives of ANYONE"
Pointed out that wild assumption was totally wrong!!!
Takes a man to admit he is/was wrong.....
None on yours?
You said "Somethin g tells me you wouldnt be going out of your way to help or improve the lives of ANYONE"
Pointed out that wild assumption was totally wrong!!!
Takes a man to admit he is/was wrong.....
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 11:01:16 GMT 1, hunter, its partly based on mob mentality, which changes even the calmest people into madmen/women. but the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act. This has been boiling for years, and no we dont just give them money. We need to provide them with decent educations, prospects and hope.
otherwise why should they bother, is going to be what they feel.
hunter, its partly based on mob mentality, which changes even the calmest people into madmen/women. but the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act. This has been boiling for years, and no we dont just give them money. We need to provide them with decent educations, prospects and hope.
otherwise why should they bother, is going to be what they feel.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by saint on Aug 9, 2011 11:03:10 GMT 1, I looked out my window at the destruction last night....
Cars overturned....
Burning rubbish....
Broken windows....
Gangs of youths.....
Police unable to cope....
'Don't worry love' i say to the missus, 'but how about next time i park the car'....
I looked out my window at the destruction last night....
Cars overturned....
Burning rubbish....
Broken windows....
Gangs of youths.....
Police unable to cope....
'Don't worry love' i say to the missus, 'but how about next time i park the car'....
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 11:03:50 GMT 1, takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions.
takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:04:09 GMT 1, hunter, its partly based on mob mentality, which changes even the calmest people into madmen/women. but the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act. This has been boiling for years, and no we dont just give them money. We need to provide them with decent educations, prospects and hope. otherwise why should they bother, is going to be what they feel.
and you honestly believe that they are not to blame for there own actions, Of course i understand that circumstances lead to things, but riots like this to me is not a cry for help its just to get things they want and destroy shit/??
Protest etc would be fine,
hunter, its partly based on mob mentality, which changes even the calmest people into madmen/women. but the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act. This has been boiling for years, and no we dont just give them money. We need to provide them with decent educations, prospects and hope. otherwise why should they bother, is going to be what they feel. and you honestly believe that they are not to blame for there own actions, Of course i understand that circumstances lead to things, but riots like this to me is not a cry for help its just to get things they want and destroy shit/?? Protest etc would be fine, |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:05:54 GMT 1, CAmeron on BBC now
CAmeron on BBC now
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by curiousgeorge on Aug 9, 2011 11:12:01 GMT 1, takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions.
Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory?
takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions. Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory? |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:13:44 GMT 1, Lets not argue on here as well as the streets
Lets not argue on here as well as the streets
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 11:16:49 GMT 1, takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions. Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory?
clearly not, i based it on the way you come across.
Hunter no, i keep saying it, i dont see any justification for what they have done. Thats not the point i am making.
takes more than your words to convince me mate. i try to rely on provable facts before i move to conclusions. Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory? clearly not, i based it on the way you come across. Hunter no, i keep saying it, i dont see any justification for what they have done. Thats not the point i am making. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:20:27 GMT 1, Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory? clearly not, i based it on the way you come across. Hunter no, i keep saying it, i dont see any justification for what they have done. Thats not the point i am making.
The point you are making is that society as a whole is to blame over the individuals ?.
Or are you saying no ones to blame
I honestly am not sure ?
Yet you jumped to the conclusion that help i no one ever in my life, just a tad contradictory? clearly not, i based it on the way you come across. Hunter no, i keep saying it, i dont see any justification for what they have done. Thats not the point i am making. The point you are making is that society as a whole is to blame over the individuals ?. Or are you saying no ones to blame I honestly am not sure ? |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 11:28:45 GMT 1, I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard.
by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it.
I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard.
by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by pelle on Aug 9, 2011 11:28:52 GMT 1, the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act.
I do agree with you that underlying structures in society are at the core of what is happening.
But I think you are wrong, if you believe that the individuals who are participating in the riots are doing so to make an explicit statement about their position in society.
Looting mobile phones or stealing out of the backpack of an injured kid is purely an act, not a statement about anything. Even if that act is born out of social structures.
the underlying social factors are the driver. The rioting is a statement not just an act. I do agree with you that underlying structures in society are at the core of what is happening. But I think you are wrong, if you believe that the individuals who are participating in the riots are doing so to make an explicit statement about their position in society. Looting mobile phones or stealing out of the backpack of an injured kid is purely an act, not a statement about anything. Even if that act is born out of social structures. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by des77 on Aug 9, 2011 11:29:14 GMT 1, hmm... protesting against the state is one thing, but attacking innocent people, burning there property and burgling houses is dusting..... no matter how you try to justify it
hmm... protesting against the state is one thing, but attacking innocent people, burning there property and burgling houses is dusting..... no matter how you try to justify it
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 9, 2011 11:30:49 GMT 1, After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital.
Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs.
The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds.
One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning.
They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money.
Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops.
Conclusion:
This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap.
Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE.
But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here.
Hupster
After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital.
Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs.
The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds.
One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning.
They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money.
Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops.
Conclusion:
This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap.
Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE.
But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here.
Hupster
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:33:49 GMT 1, I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it.
Thats madness, they clearly know that destroying peoples property is wrong,
Why do they steal then ? Why not just destroy things. ? They are clearly looting for personal gain , not to make a comments on Society and how they do not feel part of it??
I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it. Thats madness, they clearly know that destroying peoples property is wrong, Why do they steal then ? Why not just destroy things. ? They are clearly looting for personal gain , not to make a comments on Society and how they do not feel part of it?? |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 9, 2011 11:34:25 GMT 1, I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it.
Hertzberg and Maslow here we come
I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it. Hertzberg and Maslow here we come |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 9, 2011 11:39:11 GMT 1, I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it.
IMHO this is exactly the type of mollycoddling, soft-pedalling apologism that, over successive generations, has been a direct influence on these thieving animals believing they have a 'right' to make themselves heard in this way.
Lawless scum. Pure and simple.
I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it. IMHO this is exactly the type of mollycoddling, soft-pedalling apologism that, over successive generations, has been a direct influence on these thieving animals believing they have a 'right' to make themselves heard in this way. Lawless scum. Pure and simple. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:40:32 GMT 1, After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital. Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs. The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds. One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning. They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money. Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops. Conclusion: This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap. Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE. But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here. Hupster
Nice work Hupster, very valid points
After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital. Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs. The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds. One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning. They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money. Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops. Conclusion: This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap. Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE. But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here. Hupster Nice work Hupster, very valid points |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:44:23 GMT 1, I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it. IMHO this is exactly the type of mollycoddling, soft-pedalling apologism that, over successive generations, has been a direct influence on these thieving animals believing they have a 'right' to make themselves heard in this way. Lawless scum. Pure and simple.
Yay ,, seems the sensible/ realistic folk have woken
I think blame is the wrong word. But in essence correct. Society has played a role, conditions have lead to this outbreak of madness. They are venting how they feel, in the only way they think they will be heard. by stealing stuff smashing stuff and burning it down. None of which is a good or helpfull thing. But they dont feel a part of the system, and they dont see they have any recourse to it. IMHO this is exactly the type of mollycoddling, soft-pedalling apologism that, over successive generations, has been a direct influence on these thieving animals believing they have a 'right' to make themselves heard in this way. Lawless scum. Pure and simple. Yay ,, seems the sensible/ realistic folk have woken |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 9, 2011 11:47:55 GMT 1, ok, again, i have tried and tried and tried to say i dont justify any of this.
They dont think on the individual level that they are changing something, but the social situation is what has brought out the unrest and why there are such a large amount of people out. I have no doubt that there are a mass of bandwaggoners and opportunists out there. Its hardly a suprise.
I am now really done. Theres nowt left i can say i havnt said six times already.
Ignore the causes and enjoy the repetition i say.
2 parting gifts, to do with as you wish.
George Santayana quote: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it,
We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. George Bernard Shaw
ok, again, i have tried and tried and tried to say i dont justify any of this.
They dont think on the individual level that they are changing something, but the social situation is what has brought out the unrest and why there are such a large amount of people out. I have no doubt that there are a mass of bandwaggoners and opportunists out there. Its hardly a suprise.
I am now really done. Theres nowt left i can say i havnt said six times already.
Ignore the causes and enjoy the repetition i say.
2 parting gifts, to do with as you wish.
George Santayana quote: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it,
We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. George Bernard Shaw
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 9, 2011 11:48:03 GMT 1, Community Clean up!! in camden now... come join us!
WE WILL BE IN BIG GROUPS ON THE HIGH ST TONIGHT.. if anyone needs help walking home through camden late tonight please contact me or one of my crew...
camden clean up now!!
we will be on streets all day and night..
peace and love. if your local please join us..
Community Clean up!! in camden now... come join us!
WE WILL BE IN BIG GROUPS ON THE HIGH ST TONIGHT.. if anyone needs help walking home through camden late tonight please contact me or one of my crew...
camden clean up now!!
we will be on streets all day and night..
peace and love. if your local please join us..
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:50:59 GMT 1, Community Clean up!! in camden now... come join us! WE WILL BE IN BIG GROUPS ON THE HIGH ST TONIGHT.. if anyone needs help walking home through camden late tonight please contact me or one of my crew... camden clean up now!! we will be on streets all day and night.. peace and love. if your local please join us..
Nice work , best of luck
Community Clean up!! in camden now... come join us! WE WILL BE IN BIG GROUPS ON THE HIGH ST TONIGHT.. if anyone needs help walking home through camden late tonight please contact me or one of my crew... camden clean up now!! we will be on streets all day and night.. peace and love. if your local please join us.. Nice work , best of luck |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 11:52:00 GMT 1, i55.tinypic.com/21cxauf.jpg
just seen this apparently found around Tottenham
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by curiousgeorge on Aug 9, 2011 12:12:47 GMT 1, Think it's time to send in the Peckham Terminator (NSFW)
Think it's time to send in the Peckham Terminator (NSFW)
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by jesustheba on Aug 9, 2011 12:32:08 GMT 1, After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital. Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs. The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds. One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning. They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money. Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops. Conclusion: This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap. Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE. But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here. Hupster
Thank god for that
Simply scum bags out to get a new TV lets not forget this is the same community that spends half its live stabbing and shooting each other they have no respect for anyone or anything
After the news of the childrens hospital being a target last night i went out to stop any more attacks on the hospital. Lets just say what i saw has NOTHING to do with social uprising and the no future of the youth and no jobs. The people involved were aged between 14-25 year olds. One said to another.. goto go soon as im at work in the morning. They were taking stuff from shops then putting them in cars with 58 number plates. SO much for no money. Organised by some to meet at different points throghout the night by phone to attack certain shops. Conclusion: This is just out and out stealing. WHos going to pay for it...let me think...o yes me and the other tax payers. Clean up op in progress costing over 35000 just to move the crap. Underlying reasons count for crap as there are no underlying reasons in brum other than to steal from others inclucing women walking back home. Heavy police tonight me thinks. Have no time for these losers who even attack a childrens hospital. They would be the first to shout and moan if their children were in there. NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING HOSPITALS. SIMPLE. But i am sure someone will come up with some crap on here. Hupster Thank god for that Simply scum bags out to get a new TV lets not forget this is the same community that spends half its live stabbing and shooting each other they have no respect for anyone or anything |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 9, 2011 12:37:53 GMT 1, and them if there working
and them if there working
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by balibob on Aug 9, 2011 12:58:35 GMT 1, I agree with a lot said so far, this is not social deprevation at work. Its a lot of scum bags co-ordinating where they are goiing to rob next using their Blackberrys and iphones, ''liberated'' no doubt from some poor bast**d they manged to mug. They are not rioting over a shortage of food, they are rioting so they can hit the local electrical store and resupply on plasma tv's, oh and then torch the place once its been emptied.
No doubt those pieces of sh1t who have attacked the paramedics as they try to help the injured, will be crying and bleating for treatment tonight after being (hopefully) beaten over the head with a heavy police trunchon (again hopefully) several times.
They burn down the neighbourhood shops and then bleat that their is nowhere to shop or get a job.
My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same.
I agree with a lot said so far, this is not social deprevation at work. Its a lot of scum bags co-ordinating where they are goiing to rob next using their Blackberrys and iphones, ''liberated'' no doubt from some poor bast**d they manged to mug. They are not rioting over a shortage of food, they are rioting so they can hit the local electrical store and resupply on plasma tv's, oh and then torch the place once its been emptied.
No doubt those pieces of sh1t who have attacked the paramedics as they try to help the injured, will be crying and bleating for treatment tonight after being (hopefully) beaten over the head with a heavy police trunchon (again hopefully) several times.
They burn down the neighbourhood shops and then bleat that their is nowhere to shop or get a job.
My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Damien on Aug 9, 2011 13:07:01 GMT 1, Think it's time to send in the Peckham Terminator (NSFW)
the peckham drama queen lol ;D, funny vid that CG
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