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Labour Party , by tartarus on Jul 1, 2016 14:25:40 GMT 1, it really isn't you know. A lot of his supporters i know are people he has given a reason believe there is some hope in politics. Im not staunch labour either, Corbyn is definitely the reason i have switched back and I'm sure many others. And hey 60,000 new members in a matter of weeks. No denying that is overwhelming support. Yeah, I hope Corbyn can stay in power and put it to the test in an election. What do you think will happen within the party and those new members if he steps down or is forced to leave? Its not going to happen is it. He knows the people want him to stay. Even the Eagle woman is having second thoughts if you ask me. There is no chance at all he will lose a leadership election judging by the mood of the people towards him. Its only those with a vested interest and/or something to lose that are running around claiming he is unelectable etc.
it really isn't you know. A lot of his supporters i know are people he has given a reason believe there is some hope in politics. Im not staunch labour either, Corbyn is definitely the reason i have switched back and I'm sure many others. And hey 60,000 new members in a matter of weeks. No denying that is overwhelming support. Yeah, I hope Corbyn can stay in power and put it to the test in an election. What do you think will happen within the party and those new members if he steps down or is forced to leave? Its not going to happen is it. He knows the people want him to stay. Even the Eagle woman is having second thoughts if you ask me. There is no chance at all he will lose a leadership election judging by the mood of the people towards him. Its only those with a vested interest and/or something to lose that are running around claiming he is unelectable etc.
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Labour Party , by tartarus on Jul 1, 2016 13:21:40 GMT 1, Couldn't say for sure. Has to be a sign of support though doesn't it? I think it's just people who have and always win vote labour trying to keep Corbyn as leader. it really isn't you know. A lot of his supporters i know are people he has given a reason believe there is some hope in politics. Im not staunch labour either, Corbyn is definitely the reason i have switched back and I'm sure many others. And hey 60,000 new members in a matter of weeks. No denying that is overwhelming support.
Couldn't say for sure. Has to be a sign of support though doesn't it? I think it's just people who have and always win vote labour trying to keep Corbyn as leader. it really isn't you know. A lot of his supporters i know are people he has given a reason believe there is some hope in politics. Im not staunch labour either, Corbyn is definitely the reason i have switched back and I'm sure many others. And hey 60,000 new members in a matter of weeks. No denying that is overwhelming support.
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Labour Party , by tartarus on Jul 1, 2016 12:31:45 GMT 1, total tory membership is apparently about 180,000. no great leap to support them it seems. Does membership mean more votes in an election? Couldn't say for sure. Has to be a sign of support though doesn't it?
total tory membership is apparently about 180,000. no great leap to support them it seems. Does membership mean more votes in an election? Couldn't say for sure. Has to be a sign of support though doesn't it?
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Labour Party , by tartarus on Jul 1, 2016 12:14:19 GMT 1, 60 000 new labour members in a week.. That allows them to vote for keeping Corbyn doesn't it? total tory membership is apparently about 180,000. no great leap to support them it seems.
60 000 new labour members in a week.. That allows them to vote for keeping Corbyn doesn't it? total tory membership is apparently about 180,000. no great leap to support them it seems.
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Labour Party , by tartarus on Jul 1, 2016 11:28:21 GMT 1, Well, JC has motivated the people way more than any previous politician. And put the fear of god into the people that control our politics who are now utterly freaking out.
Talk is cheap, their actions speak volumes. They are running him down, but clearly scared to death of Corbyn. If he was so disliked and unelectable, there would be no need for the attack campaign. There would be nothing to fear.
I think an early election would be a joy to Labour. Its the Tory party that seem the most frightened of it, hence both bo jo and TM binned the idea off. Im sure they would rather have a mandate, but had decided it wasn't worth the risk as it would explode in their faces.
Well, JC has motivated the people way more than any previous politician. And put the fear of god into the people that control our politics who are now utterly freaking out.
Talk is cheap, their actions speak volumes. They are running him down, but clearly scared to death of Corbyn. If he was so disliked and unelectable, there would be no need for the attack campaign. There would be nothing to fear.
I think an early election would be a joy to Labour. Its the Tory party that seem the most frightened of it, hence both bo jo and TM binned the idea off. Im sure they would rather have a mandate, but had decided it wasn't worth the risk as it would explode in their faces.
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Conservative Party, by tartarus on Jun 30, 2016 14:24:14 GMT 1, ah. yeah, thats pretty conclusive. How do we get rid of these people? There worse than f**kingcockaroaches!
And based on tory membership, the next PM will be chosen by about 60,000 people maybe even less!
ah. yeah, thats pretty conclusive. How do we get rid of these people? There worse than f**kingcockaroaches! And based on tory membership, the next PM will be chosen by about 60,000 people maybe even less!
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Conservative Party, by tartarus on Jun 30, 2016 13:41:03 GMT 1, God help us! Atleast Gove has got the guts to stand up and deal with the mess a bunch of f**kingposh boys have left the country in. What a f**king spineless c**t Johnson is! But no surprise, he's waiting for the mess to be dealt with as he's like all the other chinless posh c**ts who have never been taught or told to clear up the mess they create. Gove, Farage, IDS, Johnson have just used Britain as their little plaything, to f**k with peoples lives so they can satisfy their free-market capitalist agenda. Well done you bunch of selfish, spineless c**ts! thats the thing, it wont change. Silly to expect it to. No election now until 2020, corbyn will be too old and if its Theresa may she will be good with immigration but not silly enough to press the leave button. Why no election? they have no mandate at all. Even Boris claiming the lead of Brexit was pretty weak!
God help us! Atleast Gove has got the guts to stand up and deal with the mess a bunch of f**kingposh boys have left the country in. What a f**king spineless c**t Johnson is! But no surprise, he's waiting for the mess to be dealt with as he's like all the other chinless posh c**ts who have never been taught or told to clear up the mess they create. Gove, Farage, IDS, Johnson have just used Britain as their little plaything, to f**k with peoples lives so they can satisfy their free-market capitalist agenda. Well done you bunch of selfish, spineless c**ts! thats the thing, it wont change. Silly to expect it to. No election now until 2020, corbyn will be too old and if its Theresa may she will be good with immigration but not silly enough to press the leave button. Why no election? they have no mandate at all. Even Boris claiming the lead of Brexit was pretty weak!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 30, 2016 12:17:25 GMT 1, So Boris has said he's not up for it. Since he was going to not bother with a general election, does that now mean we WILL have a GE as anyone taking over now won't be able to claim brexit as a mandate?
So Boris has said he's not up for it. Since he was going to not bother with a general election, does that now mean we WILL have a GE as anyone taking over now won't be able to claim brexit as a mandate?
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Visit LONDON ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ Street Art, Galleries, Events, by tartarus on Jun 28, 2016 20:14:56 GMT 1, If you see snag or his mates, be sure to let him know he's a massive c**t. If your on here, hang you head in shame you ignorant t**t. Forgot to post this before. Cityzenkane went down and detaged and reloved the piece.
first pic is CZK's 2nd one is nicked from his Facebook but someone else's. If your on here, don't set the dogs on me!
If you see snag or his mates, be sure to let him know he's a massive c**t. If your on here, hang you head in shame you ignorant t**t. Forgot to post this before. Cityzenkane went down and detaged and reloved the piece. first pic is CZK's 2nd one is nicked from his Facebook but someone else's. If your on here, don't set the dogs on me!
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England vs Iceland, by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 22:53:41 GMT 1,
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 21:17:22 GMT 1, not going to fall out with you!! my point is partly about NOT causing more division! I'm just frayed with all the negativity. This is being talked into a way bigger disaster than it needs to be. Almost as though people would rather now fail just to be right! And thats a self fulfilling prophecy i don't need to see. i hated hearing all the racist crap and the cranking of the hate rhetoric. It wasn't the only thing people could have based their decision on though. and to keep referencing it, is defiantly feeling like an accusation. A generalised one, and one that may be accurate in a lot of cases, but not all. Both campaigns were run on total and utter bullshit. There is no denying that. it was a disgusting example of political manipulation and deceit. Totally accept that a great many people will have made their decision to leave not based on the sovereignty argument. I also agree that a lot did though. It's a shame - I was saddened today to listen to the radio and hear mention of the meetings between Germany France and Italy about planning their reaction - and the upsetting part was that they were referred to as the "now" three main countries in the EU. Also totally accept that the campaign was appalling on both sides of the argument. I certainly don't want to be right about my fears for the economy and jobs. Did not mean to insult you personally, just as I doubt you intended me to find your post insulting (well at least I hope not!). I'll leave it there tartarus. Hopefully no hard feelings. none at all! my post wasnt meant to be offensive either, but i see what you picked up on.
Jeremy will be here soon, it will all be fine in the end.
not going to fall out with you!! my point is partly about NOT causing more division! I'm just frayed with all the negativity. This is being talked into a way bigger disaster than it needs to be. Almost as though people would rather now fail just to be right! And thats a self fulfilling prophecy i don't need to see. i hated hearing all the racist crap and the cranking of the hate rhetoric. It wasn't the only thing people could have based their decision on though. and to keep referencing it, is defiantly feeling like an accusation. A generalised one, and one that may be accurate in a lot of cases, but not all. Both campaigns were run on total and utter bullshit. There is no denying that. it was a disgusting example of political manipulation and deceit. Totally accept that a great many people will have made their decision to leave not based on the sovereignty argument. I also agree that a lot did though. It's a shame - I was saddened today to listen to the radio and hear mention of the meetings between Germany France and Italy about planning their reaction - and the upsetting part was that they were referred to as the "now" three main countries in the EU. Also totally accept that the campaign was appalling on both sides of the argument. I certainly don't want to be right about my fears for the economy and jobs. Did not mean to insult you personally, just as I doubt you intended me to find your post insulting (well at least I hope not!). I'll leave it there tartarus. Hopefully no hard feelings. none at all! my post wasnt meant to be offensive either, but i see what you picked up on. Jeremy will be here soon, it will all be fine in the end.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 21:02:54 GMT 1, ... you're ... I ... Pat yourself on the back. Im pleased you can use me for much needed self affirmation.
... you're ... I ... Pat yourself on the back. Im pleased you can use me for much needed self affirmation.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 20:50:55 GMT 1, yeah ok. i get it now, you had nothing, but the need to say something. ... your right ... i know.
yeah ok. i get it now, you had nothing, but the need to say something. ... your right ... i know.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 20:50:32 GMT 1, I get your angry, thats my life each time we elect another poxy tory government. But i accept it, i don't run around screaming the sky will fall in, and that were all doomed. Its the way democracy works. What you most defiantly CAN do, is be positive about the future. This negative doom gloom and dispare is going to do nothing to make this easier. the but at least..... is just boring me to be honest. its still just the suggestion that this is racism based. Which is narrow minded, and f**kinginsulting to be honest. and thats ignoring the fact that England is the ultimate bastard nation anyway, so what the hell exactly IS english? I know I'm not ffs. I don't want to fall out with you tartarus, even though I do find parts of your reply quite insulting. I have always enjoyed your posts on here, and believe you to be a decent chap. It's only two working days since the vote, so this is quite raw, I'm afraid. The "country back" sentiment is not a suggestion of racism at all. It's a reference to the brexiters repeated assertion that leave would mean the country getting its sovereignty back. I believe that was pandering to nationalistic, not racist, sentiments. It was a significant part of their campaign. And I believe it was a misleading one. not going to fall out with you!! my point is partly about NOT causing more division! I'm just frayed with all the negativity. This is being talked into a way bigger disaster than it needs to be. Almost as though people would rather now fail just to be right! And thats a self fulfilling prophecy i don't need to see. i hated hearing all the racist crap and the cranking of the hate rhetoric. It wasn't the only thing people could have based their decision on though. and to keep referencing it, is defiantly feeling like an accusation. A generalised one, and one that may be accurate in a lot of cases, but not all.
Both campaigns were run on total and utter bullshit. There is no denying that. it was a disgusting example of political manipulation and deceit.
I get your angry, thats my life each time we elect another poxy tory government. But i accept it, i don't run around screaming the sky will fall in, and that were all doomed. Its the way democracy works. What you most defiantly CAN do, is be positive about the future. This negative doom gloom and dispare is going to do nothing to make this easier. the but at least..... is just boring me to be honest. its still just the suggestion that this is racism based. Which is narrow minded, and f**kinginsulting to be honest. and thats ignoring the fact that England is the ultimate bastard nation anyway, so what the hell exactly IS english? I know I'm not ffs. I don't want to fall out with you tartarus, even though I do find parts of your reply quite insulting. I have always enjoyed your posts on here, and believe you to be a decent chap. It's only two working days since the vote, so this is quite raw, I'm afraid. The "country back" sentiment is not a suggestion of racism at all. It's a reference to the brexiters repeated assertion that leave would mean the country getting its sovereignty back. I believe that was pandering to nationalistic, not racist, sentiments. It was a significant part of their campaign. And I believe it was a misleading one. not going to fall out with you!! my point is partly about NOT causing more division! I'm just frayed with all the negativity. This is being talked into a way bigger disaster than it needs to be. Almost as though people would rather now fail just to be right! And thats a self fulfilling prophecy i don't need to see. i hated hearing all the racist crap and the cranking of the hate rhetoric. It wasn't the only thing people could have based their decision on though. and to keep referencing it, is defiantly feeling like an accusation. A generalised one, and one that may be accurate in a lot of cases, but not all. Both campaigns were run on total and utter bullshit. There is no denying that. it was a disgusting example of political manipulation and deceit.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 20:33:24 GMT 1, Just saying what, exactly?? makes no sense at all to me. ... lol ... yeah ok. i get it now, you had nothing, but the need to say something.
Just saying what, exactly?? makes no sense at all to me. ... lol ... yeah ok. i get it now, you had nothing, but the need to say something.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 20:16:16 GMT 1, ... so democracy works and elects Tory governments ... but that's not proper democracy, as it's a Tory government ... and when it's a Tory government be positive about it!?! ... just saying ... lol ... Just saying what, exactly?? makes no sense at all to me.
... so democracy works and elects Tory governments ... but that's not proper democracy, as it's a Tory government ... and when it's a Tory government be positive about it!?! ... just saying ... lol ... Just saying what, exactly?? makes no sense at all to me.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 20:04:53 GMT 1, Courtesy of the Brexit? or maybe the way its been dealt with and all the negativity? Markets (as we should probably be aware) can be manipulated, and they also recover. Lets be a little more positive and just get on with making it work. Seems a better option than all this depression inducing negativity I'm reading all the time. Seems people would be happy to prove themselves right even if that destroys the country, rather than pick up and make to work. Its like your winding each other up to find a new depth of negativity! Its a democracy, not a dictatorship, and the people were given the choice. Im sure you would all love to live in a dictatorship, we see how well that works for us on here!!!! it is what it is, get on with making it work, rather than undermine the possibilities it creates. Which is pointless, the decision has been made, by the people. I certainly don't want to be proved right. Often I said on here that I truly hoped that I was wrong. But just at the moment I'm afraid that I really can't help feeling very angry. I'm not sure what I can do now to make it work. It's now out of my hands. I also very much doubt that my expression of despair on here will undermine anything. But at least....... I get your angry, thats my life each time we elect another poxy tory government. But i accept it, i don't run around screaming the sky will fall in, and that were all doomed. Its the way democracy works. What you most defiantly CAN do, is be positive about the future. This negative doom gloom and dispare is going to do nothing to make this easier.
the but at least..... is just boring me to be honest. its still just the suggestion that this is racism based. Which is narrow minded, and f**kinginsulting to be honest. and thats ignoring the fact that England is the ultimate bastard nation anyway, so what the hell exactly IS english? I know I'm not ffs.
Courtesy of the Brexit? or maybe the way its been dealt with and all the negativity? Markets (as we should probably be aware) can be manipulated, and they also recover. Lets be a little more positive and just get on with making it work. Seems a better option than all this depression inducing negativity I'm reading all the time. Seems people would be happy to prove themselves right even if that destroys the country, rather than pick up and make to work. Its like your winding each other up to find a new depth of negativity! Its a democracy, not a dictatorship, and the people were given the choice. Im sure you would all love to live in a dictatorship, we see how well that works for us on here!!!! it is what it is, get on with making it work, rather than undermine the possibilities it creates. Which is pointless, the decision has been made, by the people. I certainly don't want to be proved right. Often I said on here that I truly hoped that I was wrong. But just at the moment I'm afraid that I really can't help feeling very angry. I'm not sure what I can do now to make it work. It's now out of my hands. I also very much doubt that my expression of despair on here will undermine anything. But at least....... I get your angry, thats my life each time we elect another poxy tory government. But i accept it, i don't run around screaming the sky will fall in, and that were all doomed. Its the way democracy works. What you most defiantly CAN do, is be positive about the future. This negative doom gloom and dispare is going to do nothing to make this easier. the but at least..... is just boring me to be honest. its still just the suggestion that this is racism based. Which is narrow minded, and f**kinginsulting to be honest. and thats ignoring the fact that England is the ultimate bastard nation anyway, so what the hell exactly IS english? I know I'm not ffs.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 19:54:19 GMT 1, Its not a good Coach, is it. It's very bad. We've just had a period of lowest unemployment for a long time. Soon to end, I fear. Still, at least we got our country back! Thats a huge lie too (not yours though!) . Lowest figures yes, but only because they have been manipulated!! We probably have all time record high unemployment as it happens.
Its not a good Coach, is it. It's very bad. We've just had a period of lowest unemployment for a long time. Soon to end, I fear. Still, at least we got our country back! Thats a huge lie too (not yours though!) . Lowest figures yes, but only because they have been manipulated!! We probably have all time record high unemployment as it happens.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 19:52:30 GMT 1, Now our credit rating has been downgraded. I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic? At least we've got our country back! Bitter, me?! Courtesy of the Brexit? or maybe the way its been dealt with and all the negativity? Markets (as we should probably be aware) can be manipulated, and they also recover. Lets be a little more positive and just get on with making it work.
Seems a better option than all this depression inducing negativity I'm reading all the time. Seems people would be happy to prove themselves right even if that destroys the country, rather than pick up and make to work. Its like your winding each other up to find a new depth of negativity!
Its a democracy, not a dictatorship, and the people were given the choice. Im sure you would all love to live in a dictatorship, we see how well that works for us on here!!!!
it is what it is, get on with making it work, rather than undermine the possibilities it creates. Which is pointless, the decision has been made, by the people.
Now our credit rating has been downgraded. I wonder if brexiters still think the predictions of economic turmoil was a scare tactic? At least we've got our country back! Bitter, me?! Courtesy of the Brexit? or maybe the way its been dealt with and all the negativity? Markets (as we should probably be aware) can be manipulated, and they also recover. Lets be a little more positive and just get on with making it work. Seems a better option than all this depression inducing negativity I'm reading all the time. Seems people would be happy to prove themselves right even if that destroys the country, rather than pick up and make to work. Its like your winding each other up to find a new depth of negativity! Its a democracy, not a dictatorship, and the people were given the choice. Im sure you would all love to live in a dictatorship, we see how well that works for us on here!!!! it is what it is, get on with making it work, rather than undermine the possibilities it creates. Which is pointless, the decision has been made, by the people.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 17:09:49 GMT 1, hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
Couldn't agree more on investment, but thats another whole world of debate. And not for here. but Investment has been starved in so many places as part of the manipulation that got us here. its been used to fuel the hate, to prove the unsustainability of public services, to increase general insecurity and to manipulate the divisions.
With the low pound its an opportunity to pick up business, excellence would be the best way to make use of it and keep it, so the only way forward. We have china for cheap crap eh, and screw that model!
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
Just one other point on export. I believe that the UK needs to continue to drive its export strategy from a position of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. That means appropriate funding into education and research and development. I think short term there are some export gains for some sectors due to a weakening ยฃGBP but ultimately its a slippery slope and a battle we as a nation are not destined to win.
UK PLC will survive by being a centre of excellence as opposed to being cheaper. Certainly in manufacturing, UK companies have survived by adding services and value to their portfolio. They have survived by reducing the impact of cheap labour from LCRs by moving into niece markets and automating processes.
We absolutely must have a healthy export market to have a healthy GDP. We cannot be self sufficient.
Couldn't agree more on investment, but thats another whole world of debate. And not for here. but Investment has been starved in so many places as part of the manipulation that got us here. its been used to fuel the hate, to prove the unsustainability of public services, to increase general insecurity and to manipulate the divisions. With the low pound its an opportunity to pick up business, excellence would be the best way to make use of it and keep it, so the only way forward. We have china for cheap crap eh, and screw that model!
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 16:15:25 GMT 1, me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction.
Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
I absolutely agree that we are at where we are at and we now need to figure out how we make this thing work. I am as guilty as the next person when it comes to looking at the negative challenges that this will bring rather than the potential positives. Its human nature and despite coming from an entrepreneurial background I am fairly risk adverse. I am pretty sure the 100s people I employed for 14 years would rather have it that way!!! But we are here now.
I am just not one for rolling the dice and taking a gamble which this feels like to me.
One thing you are 100% correct on is this is the time for the strongest leadership the UK has seen or needed in decades whether that's to manage the threat or exploit the opportunity.
hey, fully with you, its a normal human reaction to change as well. but the only way is positive. We can keep ripping each other to pieces but it won't go anywhere. Only sensible guidance and direction will see this end well. But the media the (wherever the hell it is) government and it seems the rest of us, are in some kind of hate based feedback loop. Which is only going to become a self fulfilling prophecy if we don't take a different direction. Risk averse with 100's of employees, seems fair to me, sign of a good person rather than a self obsessed businessman. so back you all the way on that one!! but as you say, we are hyere now, risk averse was your reason to vote in, but were past that now. Now they need your positivity and your determination to make it work.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 16:08:55 GMT 1, ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation. I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again. Ps - it's "you're" I'm sorry, you weren't engaging with me? Its pretty clear that you were.
P.S your a pedant? Well theres a surprise.
ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation. I was not replying to you so please do not engage with me again. Ps - it's "you're" I'm sorry, you weren't engaging with me? Its pretty clear that you were. P.S your a pedant? Well theres a surprise.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:57:40 GMT 1, Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass. ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation.
Anyway, getting back to an adult conversation minus the swear words and childish memes........I'm not really sure how people who voted leave feel now that the election promises of 'ยฃ350 million a week for the NHS' and 'we will cut immigration' have been shown to be utter rubbish and have been withdrawn by the Leave camp already. The Remain camp also told lies although the 'Pound will plummet' line that was dismissed as 'Project Fear' has come to bite us all of the backside. I would be horrified if the Remain side had been hijacked by far right groups but I guess we all have out own moral compass. ha ha, oh i do apologise. Your obviously so much better than i am. enjoy your moral indignation.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:52:19 GMT 1, yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me.
But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster.
Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be.
Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity.
Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
yes, they will just have to fill out visa applications or something. Same as anywhere that isn't Europe. But why let a little detail like that hold back project fear. Mass media paranoia and the sheep are lapping it up. Try some positivity and planning and everything will pick right back up. Weak pound? or great export opportunity. Well, one scares people, the other is hope. No shock the only thing being talked about is disaster.
The export debate is not as simple as that. Yes it can be a positive outcome but equally it can be effectively cost neutral. It depends what your exporting and the infrastructure of your supply chain.
I run my own business that exports ยฃGBPm into Europe and the USA every year. The problem is the majority of materials I buy are tied to either the $USD or the Euro so its almost cost neutral in a business were materials represent a significant proportion of my costs.
Okay I should be able to win new business and increase my market share but that is not guaranteed or quick in the sectors I operate in.
Yes my labour costs will be slightly cheaper by comparison to my global competitors but be assured if the ยฃGBP continues to fall my fixed costs in terms of rent, rates and fuel bills will destroy any of those gains.
So in short its not quite as easy as people make it sound. Also if you as a business are not already active with respect to exports into Europe or further afield its not something you switch on overnight. So in the interim many business will be under immediate threat whilst they attempt to implement a survival strategy.
me too. I not to anywhere near the level you do. Ive seen your art! but it will still effect me. But all it will take is a few little changes and some time put in to keep things going. I send around the world, so don't see the issue as some kind of disaster. Plus the situation here isn't about us, its about thew country, and the low rate will help that situation. And to be fair, the more you deal within this country the better that will work. Not that I'm suggesting protectionism in any way!! as a country, we should gain from this, the more thats produced and sourced here the better the gain will be. Granted though, that was a bit of a generalisation, and not applicable to every situation. But in the main part, a cheap ยฃ IS a good export opportunity. Its just that all that people are focused on is doom and gloom it seems. Biggest issue we have right now, is a total lack of any leadership. Thats probably causing more panic in markets than anything.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:42:17 GMT 1, Wow no need to get abusive is there. No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly. maybe you should reread the tone in your reply. You were the one attempting to belittle me, while being completely wrong. no need to be obtuse now is there.
Wow no need to get abusive is there. No wonder the country's in the state it's in when people turn to abusing others so quickly. maybe you should reread the tone in your reply. You were the one attempting to belittle me, while being completely wrong. no need to be obtuse now is there.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Jun 27, 2016 15:35:40 GMT 1, put this way its even less of a worry!
put this way its even less of a worry!
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