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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Apr 29, 2022 13:06:29 GMT 1, Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month. They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction. I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up. These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha.
Thank you for posting the photos you received from the eBay seller, dimet57.
In case you decide to follow up again with Bottleneck Gallery, check whether the same BNG identification number (BNG101528) may possibly have been used twice — for two different framed Di‑Faced Tenners, with two different QR codes.
And if the answer is "No", ask the staff for their thoughts on which of the items below look either authentic or fake:
BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from eBay*
BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from Catawiki*
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Regarding the eBay tenner itself, there follows a cropped area (focusing on Diana's head) of the photo you just provided.
Unfortunately, the resolution isn't high enough to confirm whether that tenner is authentic:
For future reference, below is an in-focus, high‑res photo of Diana's head from a genuine Di‑Faced Tenner. The photo was taken in natural light and zooms in ever‑closer on the left eye (her right).
Note in particular the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) that are visible from the offset lithography printing process.
These dots will not appear as clearly on counterfeit tenners produced by a digital printer:
Thanks so much! Great point RE the two sales within a month. They told me they purchased in 2019, so I have asked if they have held on to it since. I'll then flag this duplicate sale in 2021 and see their reaction. I've reached out the the gallery, but I think I know my answer. There's way too much doubt for me to purchase this now, things just aren't adding up. These are the pictures they sent - the landing page on the QR code is legit, at least they put effort in haha. Thank you for posting the photos you received from the eB ay seller, dimet57. In case you decide to follow up again with Bottleneck Gallery, check whether the same BNG identification number ( BNG101528) may possibly have been used twice — for two different framed Di‑Faced Tenners, with two different QR codes. And if the answer is "No", ask the staff for their thoughts on which of the items below look either authentic or fake: BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from eBay*BNG holographic stickers and Lazarides letter from Catawiki*__________ Regarding the eB ay tenner itself, there follows a cropped area (focusing on Diana's head) of the photo you just provided. Unfortunately, the resolution isn't high enough to confirm whether that tenner is authentic: For future reference, below is an in-focus, high‑res photo of Diana's head from a genuine Di‑Faced Tenner. The photo was taken in natural light and zooms in ever‑closer on the left eye (her right). Note in particular the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) that are visible from the offset lithography printing process. These dots will not appear as clearly on counterfeit tenners produced by a digital printer:
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Apr 29, 2022 7:51:31 GMT 1,
1. Post the close-up photos you were sent — including of the QR code, the BNG identification number, and Diana's face — and let's have a look.
2. What does the eBay seller, dimet57, have to say about appearing to have sold two of these framed tenners in the space of 23 days (on 3 April as well as 26 April 2022, UK time), using identical photos for both listings?
3. What is immediately clear from the eBay and Catawiki listings you posted is that the accompanying photos feature neither the same framed tenner, nor the same Lazarides letter.
eBay*
Catawiki*
4. Presumably, Bottleneck Gallery in Brooklyn, the logical first port of call, will have had some comments about this. What did the gallery say when you made contact?
5. See also the Banksy Di-Tenner Real/Fake Comparison thread*, especially from page 5 onwards.
1. Post the close-up photos you were sent — including of the QR code, the BNG identification number, and Diana's fa ce — and let's have a look. 2. What does the eB ay seller, dimet57, have to say about appearing to have sold two of these framed tenners in the space of 23 days (on 3 April as well as 26 April 2022, UK time), using identical photos for both listings? 3. What is immediately clear from the eB ay and Cata wiki listings you posted is that the accompanying photos feature neither the same framed tenner, nor the same La zarides letter. eBay*Catawiki*4. Presumably, Bottleneck Gallery in Brooklyn, the logical first port of call, will have had some comments about this. What did the gallery say when you made contact? 5. See also the Banksy Di-Tenner Real/Fake Comparison thread *, especially from page 5 onwards.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 28, 2022 19:00:02 GMT 1, COMPETITION 48A.Bérurier Noir - Porcherie [Live at L'Olympia, Paris, 9, 10 or 11 November 1989.]- uploaded by TinarkB.The four-letter code to selling anything | Derek Thompson | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity [21:09]- uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 May 2018Why do we like what we like? Raymond Loewy, the father of industrial design, had a theory. He was the all-star 20th-century designer of the Coca-Cola fountain and Lucky Strike pack; the modern sports car, locomotive, Greyhound bus and tractor; the interior of the first NASA spaceship; and the egg-shaped pencil sharpener. How did one man understand what consumers wanted from so many different areas of life? His grand theory of popularity was called MAYA: Most advanced yet acceptable. He said humans are torn between two opposing forces: neophilia, a love of new things; and neophobia; a fear of anything that’s too new. Hits, he said, live at the perfect intersection of novelty and familiarity. They are familiar surprises. In this talk, I’ll explain how Loewy’s theory has been validated by hundreds of years of research — and how we can all use it to make hits.
Derek Thompson is a senior editor at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology and media. He is a news analyst with NPR's afternoon show “Here and Now," appearing weekly on Mondays, and an on-air contributor to CBS News. The recipient of several honors, including the 2016 Best in Business award for Columns and Commentary from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, he is the author of the national bestselling book Hit Makers: How to Succeed in an Age of Distraction.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.C.D.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.E.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 28 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part B
[Recommended, insightful TED Talk.]
1.1 Raymond Loewy's theory of popularity is called MAYA. In three or more sentences, explain what that acronym stands for and what it actually means.
1.2 Applying the theory to the art market, post an image of an artwork for which MAYA could (at least in part) help to explain that work's current or former popularity.
2. Part D: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation.
Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached.
3. Part E: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset?
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in three days — at around 19:00 UK time on Sunday 1 May.
COMPETITION 48A.Bérurier Noir - Porcherie [Live at L'Olympia, Paris, 9, 10 or 11 November 1989.]- uploaded by TinarkB.The four-letter code to selling anything | Derek Thompson | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity [21:09]- uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 May 2018Why do we like what we like? Raymond Loewy, the father of industrial design, had a theory. He was the all-star 20th-century designer of the Coca-Cola fountain and Lucky Strike pack; the modern sports car, locomotive, Greyhound bus and tractor; the interior of the first NASA spaceship; and the egg-shaped pencil sharpener. How did one man understand what consumers wanted from so many different areas of life? His grand theory of popularity was called MAYA: Most advanced yet acceptable. He said humans are torn between two opposing forces: neophilia, a love of new things; and neophobia; a fear of anything that’s too new. Hits, he said, live at the perfect intersection of novelty and familiarity. They are familiar surprises. In this talk, I’ll explain how Loewy’s theory has been validated by hundreds of years of research — and how we can all use it to make hits.
Derek Thompson is a senior editor at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology and media. He is a news analyst with NPR's afternoon show “Here and Now," appearing weekly on Mondays, and an on-air contributor to CBS News. The recipient of several honors, including the 2016 Best in Business award for Columns and Commentary from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, he is the author of the national bestselling book Hit Makers: How to Succeed in an Age of Distraction.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.C.D.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.E.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 28 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part B
[Recommended, insightful TED Talk.]
1.1 Raymond Loewy's theory of popularity is called MAYA. In three or more sentences, explain what that acronym stands for and what it actually means.
1.2 Applying the theory to the art market, post an image of an artwork for which MAYA could (at least in part) help to explain that work's current or former popularity.
2. Part D: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation.
Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached.
3. Part E: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset?
________________
In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in three days — at around 19:00 UK time on Sunday 1 May.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 26, 2022 3:15:30 GMT 1, COMPETITION 47A.Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009)- uploaded by Matt and KimB.Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.]- uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.C.Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31]- uploaded by Omar IsmailD.E.________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part B1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*? 1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context. 1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position. 2. Part D2.1 Identify the artist featured. 2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is either appealing to you or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April.
Sorry about the delay with the answers for Competition 47.
Unfortunately, there was no winner. I suspect this was down to disinterest, more so than to any difficulty with the questions.
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 47
1. Part B
1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*?
Singer makes reference to incidents where academics (including himself) were threatened or harassed, or had articles retracted because they were controversial. That was the driving force for setting up a peer-reviewed journal — where people had the option of publishing controversial ideas anonymously or under a pseudonym to protect themselves and their academic careers, and where they'd know that articles would not be retracted simply for political-backlash reasons.
1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context.
Minerva co-authored an article*, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics in 2012, comparing the moral status of newborns and fetuses. Although it was a philosophy subject previously explored by others, the 2012 timing of the article appears to have been significant, given the fresh influence of social media and the internet.
Right-wing online magazines and newspapers picked up the news of the article, spreading misinformation about it, using titles and summarising the content in a manner that wasn't very accurate. This quickly led to Minerva and her co-author (Alberto Giubilini) receiving multiple death threats and online abuse, mostly from Christians and those on the political Right. She also began to worry about her career prospects, when told she could not be hired because she was too controversial.
In the following years, Minerva came to realise these kinds of episodes were becoming more and more common in academia. People were receiving a lot of negative reaction, in some cases from the general public, but increasingly from within academia itself. There were many petitions and letters to get people fired or have their papers retracted. The cumulative effect of these negative reactions was starting to create a problem of self-censorship in academia.
1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position.
Describing his general position, McMahan states it seems the best way to avoid wrongful harm is to identify which kinds of harm are genuinely harmful. This requires thinking things through, reflection and careful discussion — since the answers to difficult moral issues are not known to us beforehand. He adds that if we're unable to talk about things, look at the evidence, investigate all of the different views and positions that people have, and subject them to reasoned scrutiny, we're "just going to be casting about blindly" and much more likely to do harm through ignorance.
2. Part D
2.1 Identify the artist featured.
Louise Bourgeois (10 am is When You Come to Me, 2006)
2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is appealing to you — or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons.
Maman, 1999
COMPETITION 47A.Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009)- uploaded by Matt and KimB.Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.]- uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.C.Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31]- uploaded by Omar IsmailD.E.________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part B1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*? 1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context. 1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position. 2. Part D2.1 Identify the artist featured. 2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is either appealing to you or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April.
Sorry about the delay with the answers for Competition 47.
Unfortunately, there was no winner. I suspect this was down to disinterest, more so than to any difficulty with the questions.
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 47
1. Part B
1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*?
Singer makes reference to incidents where academics (including himself) were threatened or harassed, or had articles retracted because they were controversial. That was the driving force for setting up a peer-reviewed journal — where people had the option of publishing controversial ideas anonymously or under a pseudonym to protect themselves and their academic careers, and where they'd know that articles would not be retracted simply for political-backlash reasons.
1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context.
Minerva co-authored an article*, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics in 2012, comparing the moral status of newborns and fetuses. Although it was a philosophy subject previously explored by others, the 2012 timing of the article appears to have been significant, given the fresh influence of social media and the internet.
Right-wing online magazines and newspapers picked up the news of the article, spreading misinformation about it, using titles and summarising the content in a manner that wasn't very accurate. This quickly led to Minerva and her co-author (Alberto Giubilini) receiving multiple death threats and online abuse, mostly from Christians and those on the political Right. She also began to worry about her career prospects, when told she could not be hired because she was too controversial.
In the following years, Minerva came to realise these kinds of episodes were becoming more and more common in academia. People were receiving a lot of negative reaction, in some cases from the general public, but increasingly from within academia itself. There were many petitions and letters to get people fired or have their papers retracted. The cumulative effect of these negative reactions was starting to create a problem of self-censorship in academia.
1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position.
Describing his general position, McMahan states it seems the best way to avoid wrongful harm is to identify which kinds of harm are genuinely harmful. This requires thinking things through, reflection and careful discussion — since the answers to difficult moral issues are not known to us beforehand. He adds that if we're unable to talk about things, look at the evidence, investigate all of the different views and positions that people have, and subject them to reasoned scrutiny, we're "just going to be casting about blindly" and much more likely to do harm through ignorance.
2. Part D
2.1 Identify the artist featured.
Louise Bourgeois (10 am is When You Come to Me, 2006)
2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is appealing to you — or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons.
Maman, 1999
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Art Wanted, by met on Apr 25, 2022 12:31:49 GMT 1, I really don't get why people like to voice their own opinion on someone else's for sale posts, it really pisses me off!! I had this recently (not on here) Normally it turns into a argument, it also jeopardise’s someones sale. If you don't like the piece that's for sale then don't buy it, its really that simple! If you want to discuss a piece then start up a new topic!!! The point is it’s a public discussion forum Not eBay So expect comments No the point is its someones for sale thread, not a discussion thread and definitely not a weather Fizzy agrees on the piece or price thread! Theres other pages for that 👍🏻 im sorry I dont tie the lineNOT!
Did you mean “tow the line”? Never mind thinking about putting a toe on that line either!
As a fellow language lover, please allow me to join in the pedantry:
Where "the line" represents a rule, standard, or code of conduct that is expected or demanded of an individual who is a member of a particular group (such as a soldier, employee, company director, political party activist, government minister, or somebody on a sports team), the correct verb is indeed to "toe".
"Toeing the line" in this context is to figuratively bring one's toes as closely as possible to that line — the same line where the toes of everyone else in the group are also positioned.
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By way of aside, my own stance aligns with the one @fizzy has embraced regarding the very purpose of a message board.
Every thread or post should be viewed as an invitation to other members to comment.
With respect to artwork being sold on this forum, as far as I'm concerned, the most logical, appropriate and convenient place to discuss the merits and pricing of that art is in the relevant sale threads.
Open discussion in these sale threads can be highly beneficial, for less-experienced buyers in particular — especially if it encourages them to pause, reconsider, and think things through more carefully.
Sellers also seem to love discussion on the sale threads they initiate — at least when the comments are enthusiastic or fawning. I've only ever seen attempts by sellers to shut down debate when some of the posts start to become critical. It is a double standard that is often transparent. And embarrassingly so.
I really don't get why people like to voice their own opinion on someone else's for sale posts, it really pisses me off!! I had this recently (not on here) Normally it turns into a argument, it also jeopardise’s someones sale. If you don't like the piece that's for sale then don't buy it, its really that simple! If you want to discuss a piece then start up a new topic!!! The point is it’s a public discussion forum Not eBay So expect comments No the point is its someones for sale thread, not a discussion thread and definitely not a weather Fizzy agrees on the piece or price thread! Theres other pages for that 👍🏻 im sorry I dont tie the lineNOT!
Did you mean “tow the line”? Never mind thinking about putting a toe on that line either!
As a fellow language lover, please allow me to join in the pedantry:
Where "the line" represents a rule, standard, or code of conduct that is expected or demanded of an individual who is a member of a particular group (such as a soldier, employee, company director, political party activist, government minister, or somebody on a sports team), the correct verb is indeed to "toe".
"Toeing the line" in this context is to figuratively bring one's toes as closely as possible to that line — the same line where the toes of everyone else in the group are also positioned.
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By way of aside, my own stance aligns with the one @fizzy has embraced regarding the very purpose of a message board.
Every thread or post should be viewed as an invitation to other members to comment.
With respect to artwork being sold on this forum, as far as I'm concerned, the most logical, appropriate and convenient place to discuss the merits and pricing of that art is in the relevant sale threads.
Open discussion in these sale threads can be highly beneficial, for less-experienced buyers in particular — especially if it encourages them to pause, reconsider, and think things through more carefully.
Sellers also seem to love discussion on the sale threads they initiate — at least when the comments are enthusiastic or fawning. I've only ever seen attempts by sellers to shut down debate when some of the posts start to become critical. It is a double standard that is often transparent. And embarrassingly so.
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Galerie Coste in France - Selling fake pieces, by met on Apr 24, 2022 13:33:47 GMT 1, Copy below of my initial post removed by Admin, dated 3 June 2020:
Dear all, I just wanted to quickly inform you that gallerie coste in france did sell me a fake work. I bought a piece in good faith with all relevant infos. The piece that arrived was not signed and dates as described. I had a chance to speak to the artist and it appeared that the work is a fake piece. Hence, pls be aware of this when you talk to them. I also reported to artsy. Cheers, nm
I did tried to communicate with them but they simply ghost me now.
Galerie Costé in Honfleur, France (previously in nearby Deauville) is notorious for selling fakes, and has been doing so for years.
It is connected with Unik Galerie, which is or was based in Pont-l'Évêque, France.
These entities are also tied to Miamian Auctions House — a Florida corporation with a French telephone number, that sells an exceptional number of counterfeit pieces.
All the above are owned by the same individual, Mickael Flahaut.
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Flahaut appears responsible for a few forum members having previously been targeted:
(i) gripin, who was offered a counterfeit Girl with Balloon print by Unik Galerie, complete with fake Pest Control COA (*);
(ii) bonsai, who traded his Banksy silver Flag print (edition number 558/1000) circa 2016, and received a counterfeit Golf Sale (* and *); [24 April 2022 edit: Second linked post unfortunately removed by Admin.]
and
(iii) Howard Johnson, who ended up with a counterfeit Happy Choppers in 2015, which originally came from Unik Galerie (*).
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So many obviously-fake lots in sales held by Miamian Auctions state they'll be shipped from France and accompanied by "un certificat" — leading me to believe they were consigned by Mickael Flahaut himself.
In which case, a key purpose of the auction house becomes clear: To serve as a superficially credible, online platform for offloading fakes, perhaps especially those the owner would find more difficult (and risky) selling to punters face-to-face in one of his galleries.
The vast number of fakes sold by Miamian Auctions in particular is noteworthy. What it points to is calculated fraud by Flahaut. This, as opposed to innocent errors or incompetence.
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For some time, I've wanted to start a thread on this subject myself. But procrastination kept me back, partly due to the scale of the fakery. I didn't know where to begin, since there were so many examples of cases to choose from.
It was therefore a relief when the shenanigans of Galerie Costé and Miamian Auctions were identified and discussed in an excellent warning-thread started by vort in October 2019, regarding fake Keith Haring pieces.
Regrettably, however, that entire thread was removed from public view or deleted. What I assume is that Mickael Flahaut may have used legal threats to pressure Admin and get it taken down.
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For the benefit of forum Staff Members, at this point it's worth mentioning:
(i) a bluff tactic commonly used in matters like these; and
(ii) the actual legal position regarding defamation (previously mentioned in another thread*). [24 April 2022 edit: Linked post unfortunately removed by Admin.]
When a clown (e.g. a con artist or bad businessperson) is unhappy about what has been written about them or their business, they're sometimes tempted to throw around fancy words like "libel" or "defamation". The objective is to intimidate people who don't know the law, in the hope they will self-censor or remove content which is commercially inconvenient to the clown.
As any lawyer can confirm, what's important to keep in mind is that truth is an absolute defence to a libel claim. All types of defamation (including libel) require a false statement of fact. So if an article or post is accurate, then by definition it cannot be libellous / defamatory.
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Admin — Please be aware that removing scam-warning threads from public view will only result in more members like 1ate7 being left ignorant and susceptible to fraud.
That which, varying a once famous phrase, we may call the genius of universal publicity, has some disagreeable results, but the wholesome ones are greater and more numerous. Selfishness, injustice, cruelty, tricks, and jobs of all sorts shun the light; to expose them is to defeat them.
Copy below of my initial post removed by Admin, dated 3 June 2020:
Dear all, I just wanted to quickly inform you that gallerie coste in france did sell me a fake work. I bought a piece in good faith with all relevant infos. The piece that arrived was not signed and dates as described. I had a chance to speak to the artist and it appeared that the work is a fake piece. Hence, pls be aware of this when you talk to them. I also reported to artsy. Cheers, nm
I did tried to communicate with them but they simply ghost me now.
Galerie Costé in Honfleur, France (previously in nearby Deauville) is notorious for selling fakes, and has been doing so for years.
It is connected with Unik Galerie, which is or was based in Pont-l'Évêque, France.
These entities are also tied to Miamian Auctions House — a Florida corporation with a French telephone number, that sells an exceptional number of counterfeit pieces.
All the above are owned by the same individual, Mickael Flahaut.
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Flahaut appears responsible for a few forum members having previously been targeted:
(i) gripin, who was offered a counterfeit Girl with Balloon print by Unik Galerie, complete with fake Pest Control COA (*);
(ii) bonsai, who traded his Banksy silver Flag print (edition number 558/1000) circa 2016, and received a counterfeit Golf Sale (* and *); [24 April 2022 edit: Second linked post unfortunately removed by Admin.]
and
(iii) Howard Johnson, who ended up with a counterfeit Happy Choppers in 2015, which originally came from Unik Galerie (*).
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So many obviously-fake lots in sales held by Miamian Auctions state they'll be shipped from France and accompanied by "un certificat" — leading me to believe they were consigned by Mickael Flahaut himself.
In which case, a key purpose of the auction house becomes clear: To serve as a superficially credible, online platform for offloading fakes, perhaps especially those the owner would find more difficult (and risky) selling to punters face-to-face in one of his galleries.
The vast number of fakes sold by Miamian Auctions in particular is noteworthy. What it points to is calculated fraud by Flahaut. This, as opposed to innocent errors or incompetence.
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For some time, I've wanted to start a thread on this subject myself. But procrastination kept me back, partly due to the scale of the fakery. I didn't know where to begin, since there were so many examples of cases to choose from.
It was therefore a relief when the shenanigans of Galerie Costé and Miamian Auctions were identified and discussed in an excellent warning-thread started by vort in October 2019, regarding fake Keith Haring pieces.
Regrettably, however, that entire thread was removed from public view or deleted. What I assume is that Mickael Flahaut may have used legal threats to pressure Admin and get it taken down.
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For the benefit of forum Staff Members, at this point it's worth mentioning:
(i) a bluff tactic commonly used in matters like these; and
(ii) the actual legal position regarding defamation (previously mentioned in another thread*). [24 April 2022 edit: Linked post unfortunately removed by Admin.]
When a clown (e.g. a con artist or bad businessperson) is unhappy about what has been written about them or their business, they're sometimes tempted to throw around fancy words like "libel" or "defamation". The objective is to intimidate people who don't know the law, in the hope they will self-censor or remove content which is commercially inconvenient to the clown.
As any lawyer can confirm, what's important to keep in mind is that truth is an absolute defence to a libel claim. All types of defamation (including libel) require a false statement of fact. So if an article or post is accurate, then by definition it cannot be libellous / defamatory.
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Admin — Please be aware that removing scam-warning threads from public view will only result in more members like 1ate7 being left ignorant and susceptible to fraud.
That which, varying a once famous phrase, we may call the genius of universal publicity, has some disagreeable results, but the wholesome ones are greater and more numerous. Selfishness, injustice, cruelty, tricks, and jobs of all sorts shun the light; to expose them is to defeat them.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 24, 2022 10:27:58 GMT 1, COMPETITION 48
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Bérurier Noir - Porcherie [Live at L'Olympia, Paris, 9, 10 or 11 November 1989.] - uploaded by Tinark
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The four-letter code to selling anything | Derek Thompson | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity [21:09] - uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 May 2018
Why do we like what we like? Raymond Loewy, the father of industrial design, had a theory. He was the all-star 20th-century designer of the Coca-Cola fountain and Lucky Strike pack; the modern sports car, locomotive, Greyhound bus and tractor; the interior of the first NASA spaceship; and the egg-shaped pencil sharpener. How did one man understand what consumers wanted from so many different areas of life? His grand theory of popularity was called MAYA: Most advanced yet acceptable. He said humans are torn between two opposing forces: neophilia, a love of new things; and neophobia; a fear of anything that’s too new. Hits, he said, live at the perfect intersection of novelty and familiarity. They are familiar surprises. In this talk, I’ll explain how Loewy’s theory has been validated by hundreds of years of research — and how we can all use it to make hits.
Derek Thompson is a senior editor at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology and media. He is a news analyst with NPR's afternoon show “Here and Now," appearing weekly on Mondays, and an on-air contributor to CBS News. The recipient of several honors, including the 2016 Best in Business award for Columns and Commentary from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, he is the author of the national bestselling book Hit Makers: How to Succeed in an Age of Distraction.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
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D.
Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41] - uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017
If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.
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Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37] - uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016
Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"
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At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 28 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
COMPETITION 48
A.
Bérurier Noir - Porcherie [Live at L'Olympia, Paris, 9, 10 or 11 November 1989.] - uploaded by Tinark
B.
The four-letter code to selling anything | Derek Thompson | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity [21:09] - uploaded by TEDx Talks on 8 May 2018
Why do we like what we like? Raymond Loewy, the father of industrial design, had a theory. He was the all-star 20th-century designer of the Coca-Cola fountain and Lucky Strike pack; the modern sports car, locomotive, Greyhound bus and tractor; the interior of the first NASA spaceship; and the egg-shaped pencil sharpener. How did one man understand what consumers wanted from so many different areas of life? His grand theory of popularity was called MAYA: Most advanced yet acceptable. He said humans are torn between two opposing forces: neophilia, a love of new things; and neophobia; a fear of anything that’s too new. Hits, he said, live at the perfect intersection of novelty and familiarity. They are familiar surprises. In this talk, I’ll explain how Loewy’s theory has been validated by hundreds of years of research — and how we can all use it to make hits.
Derek Thompson is a senior editor at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology and media. He is a news analyst with NPR's afternoon show “Here and Now," appearing weekly on Mondays, and an on-air contributor to CBS News. The recipient of several honors, including the 2016 Best in Business award for Columns and Commentary from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers, he is the author of the national bestselling book Hit Makers: How to Succeed in an Age of Distraction.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
C.
D.
Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41] - uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017
If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.
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Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37] - uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016
Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"
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Galerie Coste in France - Selling fake pieces, by met on Apr 23, 2022 13:10:28 GMT 1, Hey Met, thanks. Thats strong information. Very much appreciated. I reported another time to artsy. Cheers, nico
Rather frustratingly, it seems three or four posts I wrote on this thread (along with those of at least two other members) have been deleted.
These posts touched upon sales of counterfeit artwork by the French national Mickael Flauhaut (a.k.a. Mickaël Flahaut or Michael Flahaut) through his various business entities:
(i) Galerie Costé**, which is or was based in Honfleur, France (and previously in Deauville, France);
(ii) Unik Galerie*, which is or was based in Pont-l'Évêque, France;
(iii) Miamian Auctions House**, a Florida corporation with a French telephone number; and
(iv) most recently, Berkeley Auction House / Berkeley General Gallery Ltd***, registered in England and Wales.
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Going forward, I would kindly request that Admin hold back on deleting my warning posts. The objective here is to shine a light on the criminal activity of scammers, to reduce the likelihood of forum members being defrauded.
Please rest assured that each of these posts is carefully researched and verified before I even think about clicking the 'Create Post' button. The text is accurate and non-misleading. In other words, it is never libellous. I am cautious by nature, well-advised, and well-versed on English defamation law.
The level of fraud carried out by Mickael Flahaut over the course of many years — in terms of the number of fakes he's sold or tried to sell to unsuspecting art collectors, as well as the aggregate sums involved — makes the shenanigans of somebody like Jason Zenga look like child's play in comparison.
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At some point in the future, my plan is to post multiple case studies featuring specific gallery or auction sales by Flahaut.
Not just of obvious counterfeits but, more importantly, of pieces I'll irrefutably demonstrate Flahaut will have known to be counterfeit.
Hey Met, thanks. Thats strong information. Very much appreciated. I reported another time to artsy. Cheers, nico
Rather frustratingly, it seems three or four posts I wrote on this thread (along with those of at least two other members) have been deleted.
These posts touched upon sales of counterfeit artwork by the French national Mickael Flauhaut (a.k.a. Mickaël Flahaut or Michael Flahaut) through his various business entities:
(i) Galerie Costé**, which is or was based in Honfleur, France (and previously in Deauville, France);
(ii) Unik Galerie*, which is or was based in Pont-l'Évêque, France;
(iii) Miamian Auctions House**, a Florida corporation with a French telephone number; and
(iv) most recently, Berkeley Auction House / Berkeley General Gallery Ltd***, registered in England and Wales.
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Going forward, I would kindly request that Admin hold back on deleting my warning posts. The objective here is to shine a light on the criminal activity of scammers, to reduce the likelihood of forum members being defrauded.
Please rest assured that each of these posts is carefully researched and verified before I even think about clicking the 'Create Post' button. The text is accurate and non-misleading. In other words, it is never libellous. I am cautious by nature, well-advised, and well-versed on English defamation law.
The level of fraud carried out by Mickael Flahaut over the course of many years — in terms of the number of fakes he's sold or tried to sell to unsuspecting art collectors, as well as the aggregate sums involved — makes the shenanigans of somebody like Jason Zenga look like child's play in comparison.
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At some point in the future, my plan is to post multiple case studies featuring specific gallery or auction sales by Flahaut.
Not just of obvious counterfeits but, more importantly, of pieces I'll irrefutably demonstrate Flahaut will have known to be counterfeit.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 23, 2022 0:43:09 GMT 1, COMPETITION 46A.Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17]- uploaded by GRIMShort clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky. B.C.Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52]- uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with You Tube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes). D.Youth of Today - Youth Crew[Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.]- uploaded by Sad But TrueRudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982)- uploaded by CosmeticPlague104G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare[Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.]- uploaded by TheCosbytronEinstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000)- uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part AThe character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules. 1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking. 1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind. 2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April. 1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking. The eight rules are: 1. You keep calm and follow your guts 2. Never forget, I'm ok, you are ok 3. Do it, don't speak, do it 4. Have a good team. People with soul 5. Work hard, but one day on the week, do not work 6. Only one thing at a time 7. Do not make money number one. You will not be success; you will be a stinking w**re 8. Keep your word The rule that I agree with or that appeals to me the most is rule 3. I know myself and I know that I talk a lot. In the past it was just talking and I did very little, or only the essential. I learned from that, with trial and error. Nowadays I try to talk (and promise) a little less and do a lot more instead. Maybe this is overlapping rule 8 too. 1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind. The rule that I find most suitable for some other members of the forum is rule 7. Despite the fact that I understand that art is also about money, and I sometimes sell something myself, this shouldn't be the most important on this forum. But it sometimes seems to be the case. In summary: maybe talk a little more about the art itself and a little less about what something is or will become worth. 2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D. The common thread that ties all the four items together is the 2020 movie ‘Sound of Metal’. In that (very powerful) movie the main character (Ruben 'Rubi' Stone, played by British Pakistani actor Riz Ahmed) is wearing merch (either hoodies or shirts) from those four bands.
Nicely done, kjg. Congratulations on winning Competition 46.
An arty tea towel by Craig Damrauer will shortly be heading your way.
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REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 46
1. Part A
The character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules.
1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or (if different) the rule you found either most helpful (including as a reminder of what you already knew) or most thought-provoking.
Personal choice for improved efficiency: Six: Only one thing in a time. Concentrate.
1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be the most appropriate for your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind.
For me, two rules immediately come to mind, rather than a single rule — so please forgive my indulgence here:
(i) Seven: Do not make money number one. You will not be success. You will be a stinking whore.
(ii) And the last rule is: Keep the word you speak. What you say will be done. Every fucking day.
There seems to be a recurring issue on the forum, with a not-insubstantial number of buyers and sellers failing to stay true to their word. For example, with both parties reaching agreement, and then one ghosting the other when it's time for completion.
The attitude appears to be not so much "My word is my bond", but rather a case of promises being honoured — unless or until they become financially inconvenient:
"Yeah, I do understand we had an agreement. And, yes, it was me who said earlier that, 'A deal is a deal'. But somebody else just offered me more money for the print. So, you know, needs must."
Jerry Maguire and Matt Cushman My word is stronger than oak - uploaded by metcharran
Jerry Maguire (1996) Scene: "Tell me you didn't sign."/Cushman's New Deal. - uploaded by John Maverick
Cheers to Dive Jedi for the original Jerry Maguire reference* on a Young Squire sales thread from September 2020*.
2. Part D: One aspect of all four items in Part D (unrelated to the specific songs) is significant because it ties them together. Describe the common thread.
The band names are significant. They all feature on t‑shirts or sweatshirts worn by Ruben Stone (Riz Ahmed) in the praiseworthy film, Sound of Metal (2019)*.
A point to emphasise is that this answer could have been worked out by typing the band names into Google — i.e. without the need for competition participants to have actually watched the movie.
See also the 'Reccomend ONE film' [sic] thread*:
Just watched this ‘Sound of Metal’ on Amazon Prime and it’s deserving of its plaudits. I’m a big fan of Riz Ahmed and really hope he does get the Oscar success he’s being tipped for. Thank you for the recommendation. I watched Sound of Metal a couple of months ago, during a 30-day free-trial period for Amazon Prime. Waited until about Day 27 to see it, because the storyline was so easily-imaginable and terrifying to me. Akin to being a fine artist, or just an art collector, and then one day waking up blind. For me, the opening scene was memorably excellent — especially when paired with the film's even-stronger and contrasting final scene. Great performance by Riz Ahmed, as well as by Olivia Cooke. Minor role for Mathieu Amalric, whom I first discovered and appreciated in Munich. Brief cameo by three members of Surfbort (including Dani Miller) in case that band has any enthusiasts here.
COMPETITION 46A.Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17]- uploaded by GRIMShort clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky. B.C.Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52]- uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with You Tube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes). D.Youth of Today - Youth Crew[Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.]- uploaded by Sad But TrueRudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982)- uploaded by CosmeticPlague104G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare[Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.]- uploaded by TheCosbytronEinstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000)- uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part AThe character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules. 1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking. 1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind. 2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April. 1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking. The eight rules are: 1. You keep calm and follow your guts 2. Never forget, I'm ok, you are ok 3. Do it, don't speak, do it 4. Have a good team. People with soul 5. Work hard, but one day on the week, do not work 6. Only one thing at a time 7. Do not make money number one. You will not be success; you will be a stinking w**re 8. Keep your word The rule that I agree with or that appeals to me the most is rule 3. I know myself and I know that I talk a lot. In the past it was just talking and I did very little, or only the essential. I learned from that, with trial and error. Nowadays I try to talk (and promise) a little less and do a lot more instead. Maybe this is overlapping rule 8 too. 1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind. The rule that I find most suitable for some other members of the forum is rule 7. Despite the fact that I understand that art is also about money, and I sometimes sell something myself, this shouldn't be the most important on this forum. But it sometimes seems to be the case. In summary: maybe talk a little more about the art itself and a little less about what something is or will become worth. 2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D. The common thread that ties all the four items together is the 2020 movie ‘Sound of Metal’. In that (very powerful) movie the main character (Ruben 'Rubi' Stone, played by British Pakistani actor Riz Ahmed) is wearing merch (either hoodies or shirts) from those four bands.
Nicely done, kjg. Congratulations on winning Competition 46.
An arty tea towel by Craig Damrauer will shortly be heading your way.
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REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 46
1. Part A
The character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules.
1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or (if different) the rule you found either most helpful (including as a reminder of what you already knew) or most thought-provoking.
Personal choice for improved efficiency: Six: Only one thing in a time. Concentrate.
1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be the most appropriate for your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind.
For me, two rules immediately come to mind, rather than a single rule — so please forgive my indulgence here:
(i) Seven: Do not make money number one. You will not be success. You will be a stinking whore.
(ii) And the last rule is: Keep the word you speak. What you say will be done. Every fucking day.
There seems to be a recurring issue on the forum, with a not-insubstantial number of buyers and sellers failing to stay true to their word. For example, with both parties reaching agreement, and then one ghosting the other when it's time for completion.
The attitude appears to be not so much "My word is my bond", but rather a case of promises being honoured — unless or until they become financially inconvenient:
"Yeah, I do understand we had an agreement. And, yes, it was me who said earlier that, 'A deal is a deal'. But somebody else just offered me more money for the print. So, you know, needs must."
Jerry Maguire and Matt Cushman My word is stronger than oak - uploaded by metcharran
Jerry Maguire (1996) Scene: "Tell me you didn't sign."/Cushman's New Deal. - uploaded by John Maverick
Cheers to Dive Jedi for the original Jerry Maguire reference* on a Young Squire sales thread from September 2020*.
2. Part D: One aspect of all four items in Part D (unrelated to the specific songs) is significant because it ties them together. Describe the common thread.
The band names are significant. They all feature on t‑shirts or sweatshirts worn by Ruben Stone (Riz Ahmed) in the praiseworthy film, Sound of Metal (2019)*.
A point to emphasise is that this answer could have been worked out by typing the band names into Google — i.e. without the need for competition participants to have actually watched the movie.
See also the 'Reccomend ONE film' [sic] thread*:
Just watched this ‘Sound of Metal’ on Amazon Prime and it’s deserving of its plaudits. I’m a big fan of Riz Ahmed and really hope he does get the Oscar success he’s being tipped for. Thank you for the recommendation. I watched Sound of Metal a couple of months ago, during a 30-day free-trial period for Amazon Prime. Waited until about Day 27 to see it, because the storyline was so easily-imaginable and terrifying to me. Akin to being a fine artist, or just an art collector, and then one day waking up blind. For me, the opening scene was memorably excellent — especially when paired with the film's even-stronger and contrasting final scene. Great performance by Riz Ahmed, as well as by Olivia Cooke. Minor role for Mathieu Amalric, whom I first discovered and appreciated in Munich. Brief cameo by three members of Surfbort (including Dani Miller) in case that band has any enthusiasts here.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 21, 2022 19:00:31 GMT 1, No winner for Competition 44. It genuinely surprised me that neither the collective knowledge nor the collective observational skills of this forum could answer Question 1.
[The reference answers below cover Question 1 only — being the one that members presumably got stuck on.
Questions 2 and 3 were simple, relating to a conversation between Coleman Hughes and Julia Galef, and to Hanlon's Razor. I propose to recycle those questions in a future competition, so that more members are encouraged to consider the issues covered therein.]
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 44
1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Banksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece.
It's worth adding that an official Deride and Conquer t‑shirt from circa 2000 also exists (on white t‑shirts as well as grey).
This answer would have been accepted too, even though:
(i) the chimpanzee image was used in full on the t‑shirt (not "partly", as stated in the original question); and
(ii) the t‑shirt was screenprinted (contrary to the specification of the 2nd clue posted on 14 April).
No winner for Competition 44. It genuinely surprised me that neither the collective knowledge nor the collective observational skills of this forum could answer Question 1.
[The reference answers below cover Question 1 only — being the one that members presumably got stuck on.
Questions 2 and 3 were simple, relating to a conversation between Coleman Hughes and Julia Galef, and to Hanlon's Razor. I propose to recycle those questions in a future competition, so that more members are encouraged to consider the issues covered therein.]
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 44
1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Banksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece.
It's worth adding that an official Deride and Conquer t‑shirt from circa 2000 also exists (on white t‑shirts as well as grey).
This answer would have been accepted too, even though:
(i) the chimpanzee image was used in full on the t‑shirt (not "partly", as stated in the original question); and
(ii) the t‑shirt was screenprinted (contrary to the specification of the 2nd clue posted on 14 April).
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 21, 2022 19:00:12 GMT 1, Sadly, there was no winner for Competition 42. My expectation had been that somebody well versed in WW2 history would figure out the answers for Question 3 within 24 hours after the first clue was posted on 7 April.
[The reference answers below cover Question 3 only — being the one that members presumably got stuck on.
Questions 1 and 2 were simple, relating to videos featuring Tali Sharot and Julia Galef. I propose to recycle those questions in a future competition, to encourage more members to watch the videos.]
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 42
3. Part D: Banksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal.
(i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.]
A chicken.
(ii) Please also explain the context of this connection.
Short answer
The source image for Turf War was the iconic Youssef Karsh photograph of Winston Churchill, shot in the Speaker’s Chamber of the House of Commons in Ottawa, Canada on 30 December 1941.
That photo was taken just after the British Prime Minister had delivered, to Canadian Members of Parliament and Senators, one of his most famous wartime speeches — frequently referred to as Churchill's 'Some chicken; some neck' speech.
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Additional background
Less than a week after the United States entered the Second World War, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, Churchill (despite the risks, especially of German U‑boat attacks) was on a battleship to the US, a storm-tossed sea journey that would take 10 days.
He first spent time with US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, in Washington, D.C. to coordinate strategy**, before visiting Ottawa at the invitation of Canadian Prime Minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King.
While in Ottawa, Churchill gave a historic speech* on 30 December 1941 before the hastily-convened combined Houses of Parliament.
Excerpt:
On top of all this came the great French catastrophe.
The French Army collapsed, and the French nation was dashed into utter and, as it has proved so far, irretrievable confusion.
The French Government had at their own suggestion solemnly bound themselves with us not to make a separate peace. It was their duty and it was also their interest to go to North Africa, where they would have been at the head of the French Empire. In Africa, with our aid, they would have had overwhelming sea power. They would have had the recognition of the United States, and the use of all the gold they had lodged beyond the seas. If they had done this, Italy might have been driven out of the war before the end of 1940, and France would have held her place as a nation in the counsels of the Allies and at the conference table of the victors.
But their generals misled them. When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone whatever they did, their generals told their Prime Minister, and his divided Cabinet, "In three weeks, England will have her neck wrung like a chicken."
Some chicken!
Some neck.
'some Chicken - Some Neck!' Mr Churchill At Ottawa (1942) [sic] [3:09] - uploaded by British Pathé
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Amusing anecdote by Karsh*
My portrait of Winston Churchill changed my life. I knew after I had taken it that it was an important picture, but I could hardly have dreamed that it would become one of the most widely reproduced images in the history of photography. In 1941, Churchill visited first Washington and then Ottawa. The Prime Minister, Mackenzie King, invited me to be present.
After the electrifying speech, I waited in the Speaker’s Chamber where, the evening before, I had set up my lights and camera. The Prime Minister, arm-in-arm with Churchill and followed by his entourage, started to lead him into the room. I switched on my floodlights; a surprised Churchill growled, ‘What’s this, what’s this?’ No one had the courage to explain. I timorously stepped forward and said, ‘Sir, I hope I will be fortunate enough to make a portrait worthy of this historic occasion.’ He glanced at me and demanded, ‘Why was I not told?’ When his entourage began to laugh, this hardly helped matters for me. Churchill lit a fresh cigar, puffed at it with a mischievous air, and then magnanimously relented. ‘You may take one.’
Churchill’s cigar was ever present. I held out an ashtray, but he would not dispose of it. I went back to my camera and made sure that everything was all right technically.
I waited; he continued to chomp vigorously at his cigar. I waited. Then I stepped toward him and, without premeditation, but ever so respectfully, I said, ‘Forgive me, sir,’ and plucked the cigar out of his mouth. By the time I got back to my camera, he looked so belligerent he could have devoured me. It was at that instant that I took the photograph.
Sadly, there was no winner for Competition 42. My expectation had been that somebody well versed in WW2 history would figure out the answers for Question 3 within 24 hours after the first clue was posted on 7 April.
[The reference answers below cover Question 3 only — being the one that members presumably got stuck on.
Questions 1 and 2 were simple, relating to videos featuring Tali Sharot and Julia Galef. I propose to recycle those questions in a future competition, to encourage more members to watch the videos.]
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 42
3. Part D: Banksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal.
(i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.]
A chicken.
(ii) Please also explain the context of this connection.
Short answer
The source image for Turf War was the iconic Youssef Karsh photograph of Winston Churchill, shot in the Speaker’s Chamber of the House of Commons in Ottawa, Canada on 30 December 1941.
That photo was taken just after the British Prime Minister had delivered, to Canadian Members of Parliament and Senators, one of his most famous wartime speeches — frequently referred to as Churchill's 'Some chicken; some neck' speech.
__________
Additional background
Less than a week after the United States entered the Second World War, following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941, Churchill (despite the risks, especially of German U‑boat attacks) was on a battleship to the US, a storm-tossed sea journey that would take 10 days.
He first spent time with US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, in Washington, D.C. to coordinate strategy**, before visiting Ottawa at the invitation of Canadian Prime Minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King.
While in Ottawa, Churchill gave a historic speech* on 30 December 1941 before the hastily-convened combined Houses of Parliament.
Excerpt:
On top of all this came the great French catastrophe.
The French Army collapsed, and the French nation was dashed into utter and, as it has proved so far, irretrievable confusion.
The French Government had at their own suggestion solemnly bound themselves with us not to make a separate peace. It was their duty and it was also their interest to go to North Africa, where they would have been at the head of the French Empire. In Africa, with our aid, they would have had overwhelming sea power. They would have had the recognition of the United States, and the use of all the gold they had lodged beyond the seas. If they had done this, Italy might have been driven out of the war before the end of 1940, and France would have held her place as a nation in the counsels of the Allies and at the conference table of the victors.
But their generals misled them. When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone whatever they did, their generals told their Prime Minister, and his divided Cabinet, "In three weeks, England will have her neck wrung like a chicken."
Some chicken!
Some neck.
'some Chicken - Some Neck!' Mr Churchill At Ottawa (1942) [sic] [3:09] - uploaded by British Pathé
__________
Amusing anecdote by Karsh*
My portrait of Winston Churchill changed my life. I knew after I had taken it that it was an important picture, but I could hardly have dreamed that it would become one of the most widely reproduced images in the history of photography. In 1941, Churchill visited first Washington and then Ottawa. The Prime Minister, Mackenzie King, invited me to be present.
After the electrifying speech, I waited in the Speaker’s Chamber where, the evening before, I had set up my lights and camera. The Prime Minister, arm-in-arm with Churchill and followed by his entourage, started to lead him into the room. I switched on my floodlights; a surprised Churchill growled, ‘What’s this, what’s this?’ No one had the courage to explain. I timorously stepped forward and said, ‘Sir, I hope I will be fortunate enough to make a portrait worthy of this historic occasion.’ He glanced at me and demanded, ‘Why was I not told?’ When his entourage began to laugh, this hardly helped matters for me. Churchill lit a fresh cigar, puffed at it with a mischievous air, and then magnanimously relented. ‘You may take one.’
Churchill’s cigar was ever present. I held out an ashtray, but he would not dispose of it. I went back to my camera and made sure that everything was all right technically.
I waited; he continued to chomp vigorously at his cigar. I waited. Then I stepped toward him and, without premeditation, but ever so respectfully, I said, ‘Forgive me, sir,’ and plucked the cigar out of his mouth. By the time I got back to my camera, he looked so belligerent he could have devoured me. It was at that instant that I took the photograph.
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M-City 🇵🇱 Print Release • Show News • Art For Sale, by met on Apr 18, 2022 23:44:38 GMT 1, I believe that is the first print he released through... I'm drawing a blank here. The website through which the Dolk prints were being released. I had that same print for a while, sold it many moons ago.
Nice framing! Released through Handmade Posters in 2008. Not sure if it was the first one. Judging from his instagram M-City (Mariusz Waras) is still very active both releasing prints, painting murals, having and curating exhibitions etc etc. Looks like they have a great space in the Gdańsk shipyard where the Solidarity movement started. Although his work is really dark and industrial I always found it very interesting.
While I don't closely follow the work of M-City, he does, as Ravnur 2020 has already suggested, have a very recognisable, stark, industrial aesthetic.
Below is a screenshot and additional close-up from Atomic Blonde (2017) with Charlize Theron. It was recently rewatched by me because of a reference to the film in the Covid-era comedy, The Bubble (2022).
Berlin warehouse scene, just before a nervous breakdancer gets either killed or beaten to a pulp by the skateboard-wielding KGB agent (played by Danish actor, Roland Møller):
I believe that is the first print he released through... I'm drawing a blank here. The website through which the Dolk prints were being released. I had that same print for a while, sold it many moons ago.
Nice framing! Released through Handmade Posters in 2008. Not sure if it was the first one. Judging from his instagram M-City (Mariusz Waras) is still very active both releasing prints, painting murals, having and curating exhibitions etc etc. Looks like they have a great space in the Gdańsk shipyard where the Solidarity movement started. Although his work is really dark and industrial I always found it very interesting.
While I don't closely follow the work of M-City, he does, as Ravnur 2020 has already suggested, have a very recognisable, stark, industrial aesthetic.
Below is a screenshot and additional close-up from Atomic Blonde (2017) with Charlize Theron. It was recently rewatched by me because of a reference to the film in the Covid-era comedy, The Bubble (2022).
Berlin warehouse scene, just before a nervous breakdancer gets either killed or beaten to a pulp by the skateboard-wielding KGB agent (played by Danish actor, Roland Møller):
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 18, 2022 19:04:47 GMT 1, Must admit feeling surprised that Competitions 42 and 44 have yet to be won.
While the former is arguably the greater challenge because it requires a bit more research, the clues pointing to context (being of a Who, What, When, Where, Why and/or How nature) do make it solvable.
As for the latter, the answer isn't especially esoteric for Banksy enthusiasts. What it does require is observational skills — but one wouldn't expect these to be in short supply on an art forum.
Must admit feeling surprised that Competitions 42 and 44 have yet to be won.
While the former is arguably the greater challenge because it requires a bit more research, the clues pointing to context (being of a Who, What, When, Where, Why and/or How nature) do make it solvable.
As for the latter, the answer isn't especially esoteric for Banksy enthusiasts. What it does require is observational skills — but one wouldn't expect these to be in short supply on an art forum.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 18, 2022 19:01:05 GMT 1, COMPETITION 47A.Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009)- uploaded by Matt and KimB.Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.]- uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.C.Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31]- uploaded by Omar IsmailD.E.________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part B A
1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*?
1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context.
1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position.
2. Part D
2.1 Identify the artist featured.
2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is either appealing to you or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons.
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April.
COMPETITION 47A.Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009)- uploaded by Matt and KimB.Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.]- uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.C.Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31]- uploaded by Omar IsmailD.E.________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part B A
1.1 According to Peter Singer (Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University) towards the beginning of the podcast, what was the driving force for setting up the Journal of Controversial Ideas*?
1.2 Francesca Minerva (research fellow at the University of Milan) provides personal background on how she came to realise a need had arisen for academics to have the option of publishing under pseudonyms. In four or more sentences, describe that context.
1.3 Jeff McMahan (White's Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford) offers his thoughts on the best way to avoid wrongful harm, and also why. Please explain his position.
2. Part D
2.1 Identify the artist featured.
2.1 Post an image (along with the title) of another work by the same artist that is either appealing to you or otherwise of some interest to you, whether for positive or negative reasons.
________________
In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 18, 2022 19:00:03 GMT 1, COMPETITION 46A.Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17]- uploaded by GRIMShort clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky. B.C.Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52]- uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with You Tube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes). D.Youth of Today - Youth Crew[Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.]- uploaded by Sad But TrueRudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982)- uploaded by CosmeticPlague104G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare[Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.]- uploaded by TheCosbytronEinstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000)- uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part A
The character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules.
1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking.
1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind.
2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D.
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Monday 25 April.
COMPETITION 46A.Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17]- uploaded by GRIMShort clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky. B.C.Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52]- uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with You Tube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes). D.Youth of Today - Youth Crew[Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.]- uploaded by Sad But TrueRudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982)- uploaded by CosmeticPlague104G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare[Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.]- uploaded by TheCosbytronEinstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000)- uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Monday 18 April, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins an arty tea towel.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part A
The character in the video explains, "Sometimes people ask me how to be success. How to be happy one. I have a very simple rules." He then cites his life advice of eight rules.
1.1 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you agree with most — or, if different, the rule you found either most helpful or most thought-provoking.
1.2 Of the eight rules, cite the rule you believe may be appropriate for some or many of your fellow forum members to consider bearing in mind.
2. Part D: Explain the common thread (unrelated to the specific songs) that ties together each of the four items in Part D.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 14, 2022 19:00:54 GMT 1, COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 June–2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast — including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Ban ksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece. 2. Part B: 2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools". 2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have — which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict. What are these two goals? 3. Part C: (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week. CLUE TO QUESTION 1The relevant piece is not a Ban ksy original. And if originals can be excluded from the list of official Ban ksy pieces to choose from, then the number of possible answer options left for Queston 1 is significantly reduced. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted and the competition will close in seven days — at a second clue to Question 1 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
2nd CLUE TO QUESTION 1
The relevant piece is not a Banksy screenprint.
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COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 June–2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast — including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Ban ksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece. 2. Part B: 2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools". 2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have — which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict. What are these two goals? 3. Part C: (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week. CLUE TO QUESTION 1The relevant piece is not a Ban ksy original. And if originals can be excluded from the list of official Ban ksy pieces to choose from, then the number of possible answer options left for Queston 1 is significantly reduced. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted and the competition will close in seven days — at a second clue to Question 1 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
2nd CLUE TO QUESTION 1
The relevant piece is not a Banksy screenprint.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 14, 2022 19:00:01 GMT 1, COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ[Tire dress at 2:33–3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh🇺🇦 Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation. Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached. 2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset? 3. Part D: Ban ksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal. (i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.](ii) Please also explain the context of this connection. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, a clue to question 3 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week. CLUE TO QUESTION 31. Turf War —> 2. [...] —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.] Step 2 above equals the photograph below: ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted and the competition will close in seven days — at a second clue to Question 3 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
2nd CLUE TO QUESTION 3
1. Turf War —>
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2.5. Ottawa —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.]
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COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ[Tire dress at 2:33–3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh🇺🇦 Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation. Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached. 2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset? 3. Part D: Ban ksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal. (i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.](ii) Please also explain the context of this connection. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, a clue to question 3 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week. CLUE TO QUESTION 31. Turf War —> 2. [...] —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.] Step 2 above equals the photograph below: ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted and the competition will close in seven days — at a second clue to Question 3 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
2nd CLUE TO QUESTION 3
1. Turf War —>
2. —>
2.5. Ottawa —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.]
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Art for Ukraine , by met on Apr 14, 2022 2:44:40 GMT 1, A pleasure. Feels nice to share and debate. Just for fun I will add met, if this wasn't a poem, we could debate the impact of both parataxis and hypotaxis...
No problem. Transportation is a subject matter far more familiar to me than poetry:
Parataxis: my alternative name for Uber.
Hypotaxis: how I refer to the Tube / London Underground.
A pleasure. Feels nice to share and debate. Just for fun I will add met, if this wasn't a poem, we could debate the impact of both parataxis and hypotaxis...
No problem. Transportation is a subject matter far more familiar to me than poetry:
Parataxis: my alternative name for Uber.
Hypotaxis: how I refer to the Tube / London Underground.
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Art for Ukraine , by met on Apr 14, 2022 1:27:22 GMT 1, The pause created by beginning a new line at that point is known as enjambment. If the pause was created by using punctuation within the line unstead- this would be known as caesura. Enjambment is often used to reinforce a sense of separation whilst maintaining the 'whole' as it were. Whilst caesura conveys a more fractured identity, each part a whole within itself instead. Not sure if this helps or not but feels nice to share my expertise in poetry. And if I sound like I am waffling... it is probably because I am. 😘 🖤 The ‘pause’ is only visual though - so the pause doesn’t exist.on being read aloud But it does because the poet chose to create that specific pause without the use of punctuation. (See what I did there 🤣😩)
Well, thanks to this forum, I learned two new words (and even looked up how to pronounce them correctly): enjambment and caesura
By my own standards, that would make today a good day.
Cheers to both @teacherabc and raindawg.
www.robertmontgomery.org/shopprints/peace-poem-choose-love-ukraine-emergency-appeal-fundraising-print
🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini.
The pause created by beginning a new line at that point is known as enjambment. If the pause was created by using punctuation within the line unstead- this would be known as caesura. Enjambment is often used to reinforce a sense of separation whilst maintaining the 'whole' as it were. Whilst caesura conveys a more fractured identity, each part a whole within itself instead. Not sure if this helps or not but feels nice to share my expertise in poetry. And if I sound like I am waffling... it is probably because I am. 😘 🖤 The ‘pause’ is only visual though - so the pause doesn’t exist.on being read aloud But it does because the poet chose to create that specific pause without the use of punctuation. (See what I did there 🤣😩)
Well, thanks to this forum, I learned two new words (and even looked up how to pronounce them correctly): enjambment and caesura
By my own standards, that would make today a good day.
Cheers to both @teacherabc and raindawg.
www.robertmontgomery.org/shopprints/peace-poem-choose-love-ukraine-emergency-appeal-fundraising-print
🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini.
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Art for Ukraine , by met on Apr 13, 2022 23:42:47 GMT 1, I purchased this one -- and I regret it. Not because of the quality of the print but because I want to replace an and with a comma. "Peace is the dream of a shared human soul that we build every day with forgiveness , and kindness and hope." Whilst grammatically you are right, I suggest you tell yourself that such things are unquestionably excused by poetic license. Perhaps this will allow you to enjoy a rather lovely print, bought to support a great cause.
You've already alluded to the point, but it's worth emphasising a little further.
This print is an image of a Robert Montgomery installation work, titled Peace Poem.
Presumably, it should therefore be viewed as a poem, respecting the structure created by the artist.
In which case, I would suggest that Thank You's representation of the text is possibly a distortion:
Peace is the dream of a shared human soul that we build every day with forgiveness and kindness and hope.
Let's try retaining Montgomery's original format:
PEACE IS THE DREAM OF A SHARED HUMAN SOUL THAT WE BUILD EVERY DAY WITH FORGIVENESS AND KINDNESS AND HOPE.
Now read that text aloud. Not as regular prose, but as a poem. With poise. Bearing in mind the flow of each word.
When I say it, there's a slight pause after "with forgiveness". Then another slight pause after "and kindness", just before the ending "and hope".
These pauses slow down the pace. For me, they serve to enrich the poem with both calm emphasis and a heightened dignity.
So while some may view that "and" as distracting, I myself see it as a vital component to Montgomery's piece.
I purchased this one -- and I regret it. Not because of the quality of the print but because I want to replace an and with a comma. "Peace is the dream of a shared human soul that we build every day with forgiveness , and kindness and hope." Whilst grammatically you are right, I suggest you tell yourself that such things are unquestionably excused by poetic license. Perhaps this will allow you to enjoy a rather lovely print, bought to support a great cause.
You've already alluded to the point, but it's worth emphasising a little further.
This print is an image of a Robert Montgomery installation work, titled Peace Poem.
Presumably, it should therefore be viewed as a poem, respecting the structure created by the artist.
In which case, I would suggest that Thank You's representation of the text is possibly a distortion:
Peace is the dream of a shared human soul that we build every day with forgiveness and kindness and hope.
Let's try retaining Montgomery's original format:
PEACE IS THE DREAM OF A SHARED HUMAN SOUL THAT WE BUILD EVERY DAY WITH FORGIVENESS AND KINDNESS AND HOPE.
Now read that text aloud. Not as regular prose, but as a poem. With poise. Bearing in mind the flow of each word.
When I say it, there's a slight pause after "with forgiveness". Then another slight pause after "and kindness", just before the ending "and hope".
These pauses slow down the pace. For me, they serve to enrich the poem with both calm emphasis and a heightened dignity.
So while some may view that "and" as distracting, I myself see it as a vital component to Montgomery's piece.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 13, 2022 1:18:48 GMT 1, COMPETITION 47
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Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009) - uploaded by Matt and Kim
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Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.] - uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021
In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.
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Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31] - uploaded by Omar Ismail
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COMPETITION 47
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Matt and Kim - Lessons Learned (2009) - uploaded by Matt and Kim
B.
Can We Talk About Scary Ideas?: A Conversation with Singer, Minerva, and McMahan (Episode #245) [42:53] [First part of podcast only. Full podcast available to subscribers at samharris.org*.] - uploaded by Sam Harris on 13 April 2021
In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Peter Singer, Francesca Minerva, and Jeff McMahan about the newly launched Journal of Controversial Ideas.
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Sicario - Dinner Scene [4:31] - uploaded by Omar Ismail
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 13, 2022 1:02:56 GMT 1, COMPETITION 46
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Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17] - uploaded by GRIM
Short clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky.
B.
C.
Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52] - uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022
This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.
Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with YouTube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes).
D.
Youth of Today - Youth Crew [Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.] - uploaded by Sad But True
Rudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982) - uploaded by CosmeticPlague104
G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare [Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.] - uploaded by TheCosbytron
Einstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000) - uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten
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COMPETITION 46
A.
Life Advice from a Russian Mafia Boss [1:17] - uploaded by GRIM
Short clip featuring the excellent Andrej Kaminsky.
B.
C.
Why the Japanese Were ATROCIOUS in WW2 [5:52] - uploaded by Thomas Sowell Wisdom on 22 March 2022
This is an excerpt from Thomas Sowell's 'Migrations and Cultures'.
Please forgive the muting of the word "rape" at 4:04. It won't be Thomas Sowell infantilising his audience, but rather something to do with YouTube-censorship overreach — possibly an effort to avoid words that YouTube algorithms pick up, which lead to videos being demonetised or age-restricted, regardless of context (in this case, a historical essay covering war crimes).
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Youth of Today - Youth Crew [Live at Tochka Club, Moscow, Russia, 15 March 2011; song originally released in 1985.] - uploaded by Sad But True
Rudimentary Peni - Cosmetic Plague (1982) - uploaded by CosmeticPlague104
G.I.S.M. - Nih Nightmare [Live at Club Citta', Kawasaki, Japan in 1993 or 1994, from the Subj and Egos, Chopped video; song originally released in 1984.] - uploaded by TheCosbytron
Einstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina (2000) - uploaded by Einstürzende Neubauten
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 13, 2022 0:35:46 GMT 1, Courtesy notice to confirm that Competitions 42 and 44 have been extended by another week, until 19:00 UK time on Thursday 21 April.
Since the aim is to encourage participation among eligible members, I'm hoping the competitions will eventually be won.
In case they aren't solved beforehand, further clues to the Banksy-related questions will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April.
Courtesy notice to confirm that Competitions 42 and 44 have been extended by another week, until 19:00 UK time on Thursday 21 April.
Since the aim is to encourage participation among eligible members, I'm hoping the competitions will eventually be won.
In case they aren't solved beforehand, further clues to the Banksy-related questions will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April.
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Looking to buy: Paul Insect neon canvas., by met on Apr 11, 2022 5:15:26 GMT 1, Hi Met, Thank you for your constructive criticism. Adding the note about David Pelham’s book cover is a great suggestion. It’s been passed along to the team responsible for writing the additional information sections. To admit a fault, I did not read through that particular tag -- just selected the piece and let it auto populate. And I see your perspective… the language used is a bit jargon laden and jumbled. Harsh words are to be expected on an Internet forum, and tbh I chuckled at the “carpet salesman” bit. Nonetheless, I would like to assert the West Chelsea Contemporary galleries maintain an excellent reputation across our Austin and New York locations. Any reader who would like additional information on this piece or our collection as a whole can reach me via email: devin@wcc.art. All the best, Devin
Cheers for the acknowledgement.
Your good-natured, composed tone was appreciated as well. It's a credit to your temperament.
[Of the character traits almost guaranteed to make others lose some respect for us, defensiveness, passive aggression, petulance and excessive belligerence would be among them. They're sadly pretty common, and often on display in responses to actual or perceived criticism.
We were recently witness to an example of this, in a thread which could serve as a case study on how not to react online*. Multiple shrill posts in rapid succession seemed to evidence an individual lacking both control over their emotions and a sense of proportion. One must also hope their reference to "Sub human Scum" was down to an ignorance of 20th century history. Because the alternative explanation (i.e. a knowing use of Untermensch-style terminology) would be just too obscene.]
Although the point of my initial post was already made, some elaboration may be helpful now that you (in your capacity as consultant and seller) have joined us:
Whether in the form of an Additional Info blurb or otherwise, text from your website or email communications does merit being checked over with care.
The rationale for such an approach is straightforward: Especially since the vast majority of your potential clients will have never met you, all of that text will in some way influence their impressions of you and the gallery — in terms of your perceived knowledge, competence, professionalism, and mindfulness, including attention to detail.
Bad drafting will of course reflect poorly on you. As will inaccurate or out-of-date information (like the assertion that Lazarides Gallery represents Banksy). They may, in turn, have a negative impact on client confidence and peace of mind.
With competition in the art market being so fierce, and reputation in the industry being all-important, it makes commercial sense to ensure that anything written by you (or by somebody else on the gallery's behalf) is, to the extent practicable, double or triple-checked and treated as if it were your calling card or an advertisement for the gallery.
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Side comment about your observation, "Harsh words are to be expected on an Internet forum":
From a general standpoint, we're in full agreement here. You've described a downside that frequently goes hand-in-hand with anonymity or relative anonymity on the internet.
But in case you were also suggesting the words I chose were harsher than what I'd say if we were chatting in person, that would be incorrect. Whether online, by telephone, or in their presence, I try to be candid with people (unless I've reason to believe they are unstable or lack normal levels of mental resilience).
While this is perhaps a minor point, the principle is important to me. There is a handful of rules I set for myself with regard to each of my posts on public forums. Among others, these rules include:
(i) never writing anything I wouldn't say to somebody's face;
(ii) never writing anything I'd likely feel embarrassed or ashamed about if it were read (immediately or 10 years from now) by family, friends, professional contacts, bosses or employees; and
(iii) never deleting (or editing the substance of) any of my existing posts.
It is a self-imposed discipline which is aimed at pushing me. First, to think very carefully before posting (and, where appropriate, carry out suitable amounts of prior research), to try to make sure my comments are accurate, non-misleading, considered and even-handed. Second, to avoid behaviour that could be seen as cowardly or otherwise dishonourable.
On a separate note and as alluded to in the previous paragraph, I do make efforts to ensure my criticisms (whether severe or mild) are not unfair. They're mostly expressed in a wry, detached manner, without malice — akin to the kind of badgering a mate might receive if they showed up to the pub one evening with a bad haircut.
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Welcome to the forum.
Hi Met, Thank you for your constructive criticism. Adding the note about David Pelham’s book cover is a great suggestion. It’s been passed along to the team responsible for writing the additional information sections. To admit a fault, I did not read through that particular tag -- just selected the piece and let it auto populate. And I see your perspective… the language used is a bit jargon laden and jumbled. Harsh words are to be expected on an Internet forum, and tbh I chuckled at the “carpet salesman” bit. Nonetheless, I would like to assert the West Chelsea Contemporary galleries maintain an excellent reputation across our Austin and New York locations. Any reader who would like additional information on this piece or our collection as a whole can reach me via email: devin@wcc.art. All the best, Devin
Cheers for the acknowledgement.
Your good-natured, composed tone was appreciated as well. It's a credit to your temperament.
[Of the character traits almost guaranteed to make others lose some respect for us, defensiveness, passive aggression, petulance and excessive belligerence would be among them. They're sadly pretty common, and often on display in responses to actual or perceived criticism.
We were recently witness to an example of this, in a thread which could serve as a case study on how not to react online*. Multiple shrill posts in rapid succession seemed to evidence an individual lacking both control over their emotions and a sense of proportion. One must also hope their reference to "Sub human Scum" was down to an ignorance of 20th century history. Because the alternative explanation (i.e. a knowing use of Untermensch-style terminology) would be just too obscene.]
Although the point of my initial post was already made, some elaboration may be helpful now that you (in your capacity as consultant and seller) have joined us:
Whether in the form of an Additional Info blurb or otherwise, text from your website or email communications does merit being checked over with care.
The rationale for such an approach is straightforward: Especially since the vast majority of your potential clients will have never met you, all of that text will in some way influence their impressions of you and the gallery — in terms of your perceived knowledge, competence, professionalism, and mindfulness, including attention to detail.
Bad drafting will of course reflect poorly on you. As will inaccurate or out-of-date information (like the assertion that Lazarides Gallery represents Banksy). They may, in turn, have a negative impact on client confidence and peace of mind.
With competition in the art market being so fierce, and reputation in the industry being all-important, it makes commercial sense to ensure that anything written by you (or by somebody else on the gallery's behalf) is, to the extent practicable, double or triple-checked and treated as if it were your calling card or an advertisement for the gallery.
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Side comment about your observation, "Harsh words are to be expected on an Internet forum":
From a general standpoint, we're in full agreement here. You've described a downside that frequently goes hand-in-hand with anonymity or relative anonymity on the internet.
But in case you were also suggesting the words I chose were harsher than what I'd say if we were chatting in person, that would be incorrect. Whether online, by telephone, or in their presence, I try to be candid with people (unless I've reason to believe they are unstable or lack normal levels of mental resilience).
While this is perhaps a minor point, the principle is important to me. There is a handful of rules I set for myself with regard to each of my posts on public forums. Among others, these rules include:
(i) never writing anything I wouldn't say to somebody's face;
(ii) never writing anything I'd likely feel embarrassed or ashamed about if it were read (immediately or 10 years from now) by family, friends, professional contacts, bosses or employees; and
(iii) never deleting (or editing the substance of) any of my existing posts.
It is a self-imposed discipline which is aimed at pushing me. First, to think very carefully before posting (and, where appropriate, carry out suitable amounts of prior research), to try to make sure my comments are accurate, non-misleading, considered and even-handed. Second, to avoid behaviour that could be seen as cowardly or otherwise dishonourable.
On a separate note and as alluded to in the previous paragraph, I do make efforts to ensure my criticisms (whether severe or mild) are not unfair. They're mostly expressed in a wry, detached manner, without malice — akin to the kind of badgering a mate might receive if they showed up to the pub one evening with a bad haircut.
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Welcome to the forum.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 7, 2022 19:00:44 GMT 1, COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 June–2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast — including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Ban ksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece. 2. Part B: 2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools". 2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have — which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict. What are these two goals? 3. Part C: (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
CLUE TO QUESTION 1
The relevant piece is not a Banksy original.
And if originals can be excluded from the list of official Banksy pieces to choose from, then the number of possible answer options left for Queston 1 is significantly reduced.
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COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 June–2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast — including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Ban ksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece. 2. Part B: 2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools". 2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have — which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict. What are these two goals? 3. Part C: (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
CLUE TO QUESTION 1
The relevant piece is not a Banksy original.
And if originals can be excluded from the list of official Banksy pieces to choose from, then the number of possible answer options left for Queston 1 is significantly reduced.
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted and the competition will close in seven days — at a second clue to Question 1 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 7, 2022 19:00:34 GMT 1, COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ[Tire dress at 2:33–3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh🇺🇦 Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation. Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached. 2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset? 3. Part D: Ban ksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal. (i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.](ii) Please also explain the context of this connection. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, a clue to question 3 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
CLUE TO QUESTION 3
1. Turf War —> 2. [...] —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.]
Step 2 above equals the photograph below:
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COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Here’s How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biases—something we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right now—over climate change, gun control, or vaccines—are somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef[TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs — or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ[Tire dress at 2:33–3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh🇺🇦 Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information — and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation. Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached. 2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset? 3. Part D: Ban ksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal. (i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.](ii) Please also explain the context of this connection. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, a clue to question 3 will be posted in seven days — at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April — and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
CLUE TO QUESTION 3
1. Turf War —> 2. [...] —> 3. [...] —> 4. [Animal indirectly connected to Turf War.]
Step 2 above equals the photograph below:
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Anyone bought from Bukowskis Auction House?, by met on Apr 4, 2022 21:24:06 GMT 1, I saw a nice print on Bukowskis Auction House and I'm planning to strike a bid (if the price doesn't go crazy up). My only concern is it doesn't seems to come with a COA even though the print reads 8/20 (so I'm assuming it's part of a release?). Also, it doesn't give away too much about the paper used in the print etc... Did anyone here bought from Bukowskis already? Just making sure they super legit...
My initiation to Bukowskis (founded in 1870) occurred while living in Stockholm.
It is a reputable business. I've purchased from the auction house three times and sold through it once. On each occasion, the specialists and other staff members were pleasant to deal with, professional and efficient.
As already referred to, Bonhams (private-equity-owned since 2018) acquired Bukowskis in January of this year, though I doubt this will have had any material impact on the day-to-day running of Bukowskis.
I saw a nice print on Bukowskis Auction House and I'm planning to strike a bid (if the price doesn't go crazy up). My only concern is it doesn't seems to come with a COA even though the print reads 8/20 (so I'm assuming it's part of a release?). Also, it doesn't give away too much about the paper used in the print etc... Did anyone here bought from Bukowskis already? Just making sure they super legit... My initiation to Bukowskis (founded in 1870) occurred while living in Stockholm. It is a reputable business. I've purchased from the auction house three times and sold through it once. On each occasion, the specialists and other staff members were pleasant to deal with, professional and efficient. As already referred to, Bonhams (private-equity-owned since 2018) acquired Bukowskis in January of this year, though I doubt this will have had any material impact on the day-to-day running of Bukowskis.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 4, 2022 1:22:28 GMT 1, Answer to question 1. Mark Lilla’s response to the essay of Katherine Franke was: ‘That’s a slur, not an argument’. Answer to question 2. “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” Answer to question 3. Political correctness by the politically correct left that renders certain topics undiscussable causes harm, because if they (the politically correct left) would put existing facts (about differences between men and women, differences between ethnic groups etc.) into proper political and moral context, that would act as a defense (= powerful counter arguments) to the most extreme and indefensible conclusions (e.g. racism, sexism etc.) that are possible based on those facts. Answer to question 4(i) The album is Stonehenge by American singer-songwriter and guitarist Richie Havens. The album was released in 1970. Answer to question 4(ii) Richie Havens played with British duo Groove Armada at Later… with Jools Holland. Their performance aired on Friday 1 November 2002 (series 20, episode 3). Congratulations, kjg. And thank you for posting the video. I may have to rewatch a Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx film now. That's Competition 45 dealt with. See you again, perhaps in about 23 hours, pursuant to new rule 2.5 *. Competitions 42, 43 and 44 remain open to all eligible members.
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 45
1. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke.
According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response?
"That's a slur, not an argument."
[Haidt also goes on to warn that young people who go through certain colleges (referencing institutions where there's a lack of ideological diversity, as is the case especially in the humanities) are exposed to rhetorical training that prevents them from learning how to engage. They're trained carefully in how to discredit their opponent. They learn to slur; they do not learn to argue.]
2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting — and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is not trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations.
Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.
3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because they're suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or assaulted).
Since this question asks for brevity, apologies for the lack of brevity that follows:
Citing an example of the harm done by political correctness, Pinker points to a segment of the population "whose affiliation might be up for grabs" — "the often highly literate, highly intelligent people who gravitate to the alt‑right. Internet savvy, media savvy, who often are radicalised in that way".
When exposed for the first time to true statements never voiced on college campuses or in mainstream media, these individuals are apt to conclude the truth was withheld from them, and to feel a certain outrage that it's unsayable (e.g. "Men and women are not identical in their life priorities, in their sexuality, in their tastes and interests."). But also to feel vindicated when others who voice these truths are suppressed, shouted down or assaulted. This gives them all the more reason to believe the Left, universities, and mainstream media cannot handle the truth.
Worst of all is that political correctness prevents these individuals from also being exposed to the ways of, and rationale for, putting the facts into context (including political and moral context) — so that the facts do not lead to sexist (e.g. Women are inferior.), racist, or other repellent and unwarranted conclusions.
By attempting to quash debate, silence opposing viewpoints, or use other tactics effectively rendering certain topics undiscussable, the politically-correct Left arguably encourages extremist views to foster.
4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch.
(i) Name both the record and artist.
Stonehenge (1970) by Richie Havens.
(ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous band. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance.
Groove Armada with Richie Havens - Hands of Time [Live on Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 1 November 2002.] - uploaded by Groove Armada
Nice tribute to Richie Havens dated 23 April 2013, by Tom Findlay of Groove Armada:
www.theguardian.com/music/2013/apr/23/richie-havens-remembered-groove-armada
"I remember him meeting our mums backstage (they were fans from 1968): they'd be in bits, and he always looked genuinely moved by their strength of feeling."
I'm indulging in shoehorning, but here's a 1996 performance by Cat Power on a French programme:
Cat Power - Nude as the News [Live on Canal+'s Nulle part ailleurs, Paris, France, 10 December 1996] - uploaded by TABENON
Answer to question 1. Mark Lilla’s response to the essay of Katherine Franke was: ‘That’s a slur, not an argument’. Answer to question 2. “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” Answer to question 3. Political correctness by the politically correct left that renders certain topics undiscussable causes harm, because if they (the politically correct left) would put existing facts (about differences between men and women, differences between ethnic groups etc.) into proper political and moral context, that would act as a defense (= powerful counter arguments) to the most extreme and indefensible conclusions (e.g. racism, sexism etc.) that are possible based on those facts. Answer to question 4(i) The album is Stonehenge by American singer-songwriter and guitarist Richie Havens. The album was released in 1970. Answer to question 4(ii) Richie Havens played with British duo Groove Armada at Later… with Jools Holland. Their performance aired on Friday 1 November 2002 (series 20, episode 3). Congratulations, kjg. And thank you for posting the video. I may have to rewatch a Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx film now. That's Competition 45 dealt with. See you again, perhaps in about 23 hours, pursuant to new rule 2.5 *. Competitions 42, 43 and 44 remain open to all eligible members. REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 451. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke.
According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response?"That's a slur, not an argument."[Haidt also goes on to warn that young people who go through certain colleges (referencing institutions where there's a lack of ideological diversity, as is the case especially in the humanities) are exposed to rhetorical training that prevents them from learning how to engage. They're trained carefully in how to discredit their opponent. They learn to slur; they do not learn to argue.] 2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting — and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is not trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations.
Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote.He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because they're suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or assaulted).Since this question asks for brevity, apologies for the lack of brevity that follows: Citing an example of the harm done by political correctness, Pinker points to a segment of the population "whose affiliation might be up for grabs" — "the often highly literate, highly intelligent people who gravitate to the alt‑right. Internet savvy, media savvy, who often are radicalised in that way".When exposed for the first time to true statements never voiced on college campuses or in mainstream media, these individuals are apt to conclude the truth was withheld from them, and to feel a certain outrage that it's unsayable (e.g. "Men and women are not identical in their life priorities, in their sexuality, in their tastes and interests."). But also to feel vindicated when others who voice these truths are suppressed, shouted down or assaulted. This gives them all the more reason to believe the Left, universities, and mainstream media cannot handle the truth. Worst of all is that political correctness prevents these individuals from also being exposed to the ways of, and rationale for, putting the facts into context (including political and moral context) — so that the facts do not lead to sexist (e.g. Women are inferior.), racist, or other repellent and unwarranted conclusions. By attempting to quash debate, silence opposing viewpoints, or use other tactics effectively rendering certain topics undiscussable, the politically-correct Left arguably encourages extremist views to foster. 4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch.
(i) Name both the record and artist.Stonehenge (1970) by Richie Havens. (ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous band. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance.Groove Armada with Richie Havens - Hands of Time [Live on Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 1 November 2002.]- uploaded by Groove ArmadaNice tribute to Richie Havens dated 23 April 2013, by Tom Findlay of Groove Armada: www.theguardian.com/music/2013/apr/23/richie-havens-remembered-groove-armada"I remember him meeting our mums backstage (they were fans from 1968): they'd be in bits, and he always looked genuinely moved by their strength of feeling."I'm indulging in shoehorning, but here's a 1996 performance by Cat Power on a French programme: Cat Power - Nude as the News [Live on Canal+'s Nulle part ailleurs, Paris, France, 10 December 1996]- uploaded by TABENON
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 4, 2022 0:55:25 GMT 1, Answer to Question 1.1: According to Galef, two common modes of thinking are the soldier mindset and the scout mindset. The soldier mindset, a metaphor for the default mode that humans are often in, is a mode in which there is motivation to defend preexisting beliefs against arguments or evidence that threatens those beliefs. The metaphor is inspired by the militaristic language used in discussing how one defends their beliefs; for example, when “defending” a belief one might “buttress” a position, “build” a case, and “attack” or “shoot down” or “poke holes” in an opposing argument. Scout mindset, on the other hand, is a mode in which one’s goal is to see things as clearly as possible and accurately map out the landscape or situation. In scout mindset, the motivation is to be intellectually honest and see things the way they are and not simply the way one wishes they were. Answer to Question 1.2: Paul Graham wrote the essay titled “Keeping Your Identity Small,” link here: www.paulgraham.com/identity.htmlAccording to Galef, a point of the essay was to discuss how one’s beliefs become part of one’s identity, whether it be religious beliefs, political beliefs, or any other belief that takes on what feels to be a defining role in one’s identity. In turn, when those beliefs are criticized or disagreed with one will take it personally. And, when a challenged belief has become part of one’s identify, it is difficult to think clearly about that belief. Thus, one should let as few beliefs into their identity as possible; hence, keeping your identity small. (side note: I much prefer to practice Galef’s method of “holding your identity lightly.”) Answer to Question 2: Excellent work, Wisconinla. Congratulations on winning Competition 43. If Competitions 42 and 44 are also in your sights, you can submit answers for either of them in about 23 hours, pursuant to rule 2.5 *. __________ And in case you'd like to win a hardcopy of Julia Galef's book as a bonus prize, in two or more sentences, please describe one part of the conversation between Galef and Coleman Hughes that you found either of particular interest or questionable. Your deadline for completing this task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 3 April.
Plenty of duplication with what's already been posted, but hopefully the reference answers below will be of some interest.
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 43
1. Part A:
1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book (The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between soldier mindset and the scout mindset.
In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms?
Soldier mindset is Galef's metaphor for a common default mode of thinking, in which our motivation is to defend our pre-existing beliefs, or something we want to be true, against any evidence or argument that might threaten those beliefs. It is Galef's umbrella term for phenomena that others have previously written and spoken about under different names, like rationalising, motivated reasoning, wishful thinking, denial, or confirmation bias.
Scout mindset is an alternative to soldier mindset. Whereas a soldier's role is to attack or defend, a scout's role is instead to go out and see things as clearly as possible, and put together as accurate a map of the landscape or a situation as they can. Scout mindset is the motivation to see things as they are, rather than as we wish they were. It means being intellectually honest, trying to be objective, and just being curious about what's actually true.
1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps.
(i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay.
Paul Graham, Keep Your Identity Small (February 2009)
www.paulgraham.com/identity.html
(ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef.
In her summary of Paul Graham's essay (starting at around 1:22:14), Galef explains that so many beliefs (political, religious, etc.) can become part of our identity — by which she means it feels like they define us, and we feel proud to hold them. But when they're criticised or someone else disagrees, we take this very personally, even viscerally. And since beliefs becoming part of our identity makes it difficult to think about them clearly, Graham's point is that we should let as few beliefs into our identity as possible.
[As an aside, I too prefer Galef's more pragmatic approach of holding my identity lightly, maintaining some emotional distance, and keeping in mind that my support of an idea or cause is contingent — as opposed to that support being blind and/or unconditional.]
2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances. Post a fifth video (featuring a different set of performers) that shares this commonality.
Each of the four bands is performing with more than one drummer.
Fifth video sharing this commonality:
Soulwax - Is It Always Binary [3 Mills Studios, London, 29 August 2017] - uploaded by FACTmagazine
Answer to Question 1.1: According to Galef, two common modes of thinking are the soldier mindset and the scout mindset. The soldier mindset, a metaphor for the default mode that humans are often in, is a mode in which there is motivation to defend preexisting beliefs against arguments or evidence that threatens those beliefs. The metaphor is inspired by the militaristic language used in discussing how one defends their beliefs; for example, when “defending” a belief one might “buttress” a position, “build” a case, and “attack” or “shoot down” or “poke holes” in an opposing argument. Scout mindset, on the other hand, is a mode in which one’s goal is to see things as clearly as possible and accurately map out the landscape or situation. In scout mindset, the motivation is to be intellectually honest and see things the way they are and not simply the way one wishes they were. Answer to Question 1.2: Paul Graham wrote the essay titled “Keeping Your Identity Small,” link here: www.paulgraham.com/identity.htmlAccording to Galef, a point of the essay was to discuss how one’s beliefs become part of one’s identity, whether it be religious beliefs, political beliefs, or any other belief that takes on what feels to be a defining role in one’s identity. In turn, when those beliefs are criticized or disagreed with one will take it personally. And, when a challenged belief has become part of one’s identify, it is difficult to think clearly about that belief. Thus, one should let as few beliefs into their identity as possible; hence, keeping your identity small. (side note: I much prefer to practice Galef’s method of “holding your identity lightly.”) Answer to Question 2: Excellent work, Wisconinla. Congratulations on winning Competition 43. If Competitions 42 and 44 are also in your sights, you can submit answers for either of them in about 23 hours, pursuant to rule 2.5 *. __________ And in case you'd like to win a hardcopy of Julia Galef's book as a bonus prize, in two or more sentences, please describe one part of the conversation between Galef and Coleman Hughes that you found either of particular interest or questionable. Your deadline for completing this task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 3 April. Plenty of duplication with what's already been posted, but hopefully the reference answers below will be of some interest. REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 431. Part A:
1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book (The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between soldier mindset and the scout mindset.
In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms?Soldier mindset is Galef's metaphor for a common default mode of thinking, in which our motivation is to defend our pre-existing beliefs, or something we want to be true, against any evidence or argument that might threaten those beliefs. It is Galef's umbrella term for phenomena that others have previously written and spoken about under different names, like rationalising, motivated reasoning, wishful thinking, denial, or confirmation bias. Scout mindset is an alternative to soldier mindset. Whereas a soldier's role is to attack or defend, a scout's role is instead to go out and see things as clearly as possible, and put together as accurate a map of the landscape or a situation as they can. Scout mindset is the motivation to see things as they are, rather than as we wish they were. It means being intellectually honest, trying to be objective, and just being curious about what's actually true. 1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps.
(i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay.Paul Graham, Keep Your Identity Small (February 2009) www.paulgraham.com/identity.html(ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef.In her summary of Paul Graham's essay (starting at around 1:22:14), Galef explains that so many beliefs (political, religious, etc.) can become part of our identity — by which she means it feels like they define us, and we feel proud to hold them. But when they're criticised or someone else disagrees, we take this very personally, even viscerally. And since beliefs becoming part of our identity makes it difficult to think about them clearly, Graham's point is that we should let as few beliefs into our identity as possible. [As an aside, I too prefer Galef's more pragmatic approach of holding my identity lightly, maintaining some emotional distance, and keeping in mind that my support of an idea or cause is contingent — as opposed to that support being blind and/or unconditional.] 2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances. Post a fifth video (featuring a different set of performers) that shares this commonality.Each of the four bands is performing with more than one drummer. Fifth video sharing this commonality: Soulwax - Is It Always Binary [3 Mills Studios, London, 29 August 2017]- uploaded by FACTmagazine
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