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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 1, 2022 20:54:21 GMT 1, Nothing to do with the competitions, but if any forum members are fans of Charlotte Green*, or enjoy listening to the Shipping Forecast on BBC Radio, they might also appreciate the montage below โ featuring the dulcet tones of Collaterlie Sisters, finance correspondent on The Day Today.
The Day Today: Collaterlie Sisters - BUSINEWS [3:00] - uploaded by espertron
Nothing to do with the competitions, but if any forum members are fans of Charlotte Green*, or enjoy listening to the Shipping Forecast on BBC Radio, they might also appreciate the montage below โ featuring the dulcet tones of Collaterlie Sisters, finance correspondent on The Day Today. The Day Today: Collaterlie Sisters - BUSINEWS [3:00] - uploaded by espertron
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 1, 2022 20:10:27 GMT 1, Courtesy notice to confirm that the duration of Competition 44 has been extended by a week (until 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April).
In case that competition isn't solved beforehand, a clue to question 1 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April.
Courtesy notice to confirm that the duration of Competition 44 has been extended by a week (until 19:00 UK time on Thursday 14 April).
In case that competition isn't solved beforehand, a clue to question 1 will be posted at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Apr 1, 2022 19:25:10 GMT 1, Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: 1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book ( The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between the soldier mindset and scout mindset. In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms? 1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps. (i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay. (ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef. 2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances featured. Post a fifth video (of a different set of performers) that shares this commonality. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April. Answer to Question 1.1: According to Galef, two common modes of thinking are the soldier mindset and the scout mindset. The soldier mindset, a metaphor for the default mode that humans are often in, is a mode in which there is motivation to defend preexisting beliefs against arguments or evidence that threatens those beliefs. The metaphor is inspired by the militaristic language used in discussing how one defends their beliefs; for example, when โdefendingโ a belief one might โbuttressโ a position, โbuildโ a case, and โattackโ or โshoot downโ or โpoke holesโ in an opposing argument. Scout mindset, on the other hand, is a mode in which oneโs goal is to see things as clearly as possible and accurately map out the landscape or situation. In scout mindset, the motivation is to be intellectually honest and see things the way they are and not simply the way one wishes they were.
Answer to Question 1.2: Paul Graham wrote the essay titled โKeeping Your Identity Small,โ link here:
According to Galef, a point of the essay was to discuss how oneโs beliefs become part of oneโs identity, whether it be religious beliefs, political beliefs, or any other belief that takes on what feels to be a defining role in oneโs identity. In turn, when those beliefs are criticized or disagreed with one will take it personally. And, when a challenged belief has become part of oneโs identify, it is difficult to think clearly about that belief. Thus, one should let as few beliefs into their identity as possible; hence, keeping your identity small.
(side note: I much prefer to practice Galefโs method of โholding your identity lightly.โ)
Answer to Question 2:
Excellent work, Wisconinla. Congratulations on winning Competition 43.
If Competitions 42 and 44 are also in your sights, you can submit answers for either of them in about 23 hours, pursuant to rule 2.5*.
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And in case you'd like to win a hardcopy of Julia Galef's book as a bonus prize, in two or more sentences, please describe one part of the conversation between Galef and Coleman Hughes that you found either of particular interest or questionable.
Your deadline for completing this task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 3 April.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: 1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book ( The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between the soldier mindset and scout mindset. In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms? 1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps. (i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay. (ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef. 2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances featured. Post a fifth video (of a different set of performers) that shares this commonality. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April. Answer to Question 1.1: According to Galef, two common modes of thinking are the soldier mindset and the scout mindset. The soldier mindset, a metaphor for the default mode that humans are often in, is a mode in which there is motivation to defend preexisting beliefs against arguments or evidence that threatens those beliefs. The metaphor is inspired by the militaristic language used in discussing how one defends their beliefs; for example, when โdefendingโ a belief one might โbuttressโ a position, โbuildโ a case, and โattackโ or โshoot downโ or โpoke holesโ in an opposing argument. Scout mindset, on the other hand, is a mode in which oneโs goal is to see things as clearly as possible and accurately map out the landscape or situation. In scout mindset, the motivation is to be intellectually honest and see things the way they are and not simply the way one wishes they were.
Answer to Question 1.2: Paul Graham wrote the essay titled โKeeping Your Identity Small,โ link here:
According to Galef, a point of the essay was to discuss how oneโs beliefs become part of oneโs identity, whether it be religious beliefs, political beliefs, or any other belief that takes on what feels to be a defining role in oneโs identity. In turn, when those beliefs are criticized or disagreed with one will take it personally. And, when a challenged belief has become part of oneโs identify, it is difficult to think clearly about that belief. Thus, one should let as few beliefs into their identity as possible; hence, keeping your identity small.
(side note: I much prefer to practice Galefโs method of โholding your identity lightly.โ)
Answer to Question 2:
Excellent work, Wisconinla. Congratulations on winning Competition 43. If Competitions 42 and 44 are also in your sights, you can submit answers for either of them in about 23 hours, pursuant to rule 2.5 *. __________ And in case you'd like to win a hardcopy of Julia Galef's book as a bonus prize, in two or more sentences, please describe one part of the conversation between Galef and Coleman Hughes that you found either of particular interest or questionable. Your deadline for completing this task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 3 April.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 31, 2022 22:58:30 GMT 1, Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke. According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response? 2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting โ and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is no longer trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations. Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote. 3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because those topics are suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or even assaulted). 4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch. (i) Name both the record and artist. (ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous English band / duo. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April. Answer to question 1. Mark Lillaโs response to the essay of Katherine Franke was: โThatโs a slur, not an argumentโ. Answer to question 2. โHe who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.โ Answer to question 3. Political correctness by the politically correct left that renders certain topics undiscussable causes harm, because if they (the politically correct left) would put existing facts (about differences between men and women, differences between ethnic groups etc.) into proper political and moral context, that would act as a defense (= powerful counter arguments) to the most extreme and indefensible conclusions (e.g. racism, sexism etc.) that are possible based on those facts. Answer to question 4(i) The album is Stonehenge by American singer-songwriter and guitarist Richie Havens. The album was released in 1970. Answer to question 4(ii) Richie Havens played with British duo Groove Armada at Laterโฆ with Jools Holland. Their performance aired on Friday 1 November 2002 (series 20, episode 3).
Congratulations, kjg.
And thank you for posting the video. I may have to rewatch a Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx film now.
That's Competition 45 dealt with. See you again, perhaps in about 23 hours, pursuant to new rule 2.5*.
Competitions 42, 43 and 44 remain open to all eligible members.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke. According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response? 2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting โ and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is no longer trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations. Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote. 3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because those topics are suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or even assaulted). 4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch. (i) Name both the record and artist. (ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous English band / duo. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April. Answer to question 1. Mark Lillaโs response to the essay of Katherine Franke was: โThatโs a slur, not an argumentโ. Answer to question 2. โHe who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.โ Answer to question 3. Political correctness by the politically correct left that renders certain topics undiscussable causes harm, because if they (the politically correct left) would put existing facts (about differences between men and women, differences between ethnic groups etc.) into proper political and moral context, that would act as a defense (= powerful counter arguments) to the most extreme and indefensible conclusions (e.g. racism, sexism etc.) that are possible based on those facts. Answer to question 4(i) The album is Stonehenge by American singer-songwriter and guitarist Richie Havens. The album was released in 1970. Answer to question 4(ii) Richie Havens played with British duo Groove Armada at Laterโฆ with Jools Holland. Their performance aired on Friday 1 November 2002 (series 20, episode 3). Congratulations, kjg. And thank you for posting the video. I may have to rewatch a Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx film now. That's Competition 45 dealt with. See you again, perhaps in about 23 hours, pursuant to new rule 2.5 *. Competitions 42, 43 and 44 remain open to all eligible members.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 31, 2022 19:03:01 GMT 1, COMPETITION 45A.B.Jonathan Haidt on Charlie Rose March 6, 2017 [25:53]- uploaded by Converging Perspectives on 5 May 2017Frank Bruni, an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and NYU professor Jonathan Haidt discuss free speech on college campuses, following recent violence at Middlebury College and UC Berkeley.Jonathan Haidt Tests Viewpoint Diversity of University Student Audience [10:48] [Excerpt from panel discussion by Jill Lepore, Jonathan Haidt and Kwame Anthony Appiah at Middlebury College, Middlebury, Vermont, 21 February 2018.]- uploaded by PoliticalInsightsJonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. Haidt is the author of two books: The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom (2006) and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2012).
He is also founder of the Heterodox Academy to support viewpoint diversity in academia: heterodoxacademy.org/
In this talk from Feb 2018 at Middlebury College he talks about viewpoint diversity, free speech and confirmation bias.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Building a Robust Public Sphere, see here *. C.Steven Pinker: Political Correctness Might Be Redpilling America [7:59] [Excerpt from Spiked Magazineโs Unsafe Space Tour panel discussion at Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 6 November 2017.]- uploaded by Learn LibertyHarvard psychology professor Steven Pinker argues that political correctness actually breeds the very same extremist views it hopes to quash.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Is Political Correctness Why Trump Won?, see here *. D.Cat Powers - Manhattan (2013)- uploaded by Cat PowerLL Cool J, featuring Lt. Stitchie - Straight From Queens (1993)- uploaded by LL Cool JBeastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1986)- uploaded by BeastieBoysE.Cat Power - The Greatest [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 23 June 2006.]- uploaded by Ron Jenkins________________ At around 19:03 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke.
According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response?
2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting โ and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is no longer trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations.
Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote.
3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because those topics are suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or even assaulted).
4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch.
(i) Name both the record and artist.
(ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous English band / duo. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance.
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April.
COMPETITION 45A.B.Jonathan Haidt on Charlie Rose March 6, 2017 [25:53]- uploaded by Converging Perspectives on 5 May 2017Frank Bruni, an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and NYU professor Jonathan Haidt discuss free speech on college campuses, following recent violence at Middlebury College and UC Berkeley.Jonathan Haidt Tests Viewpoint Diversity of University Student Audience [10:48] [Excerpt from panel discussion by Jill Lepore, Jonathan Haidt and Kwame Anthony Appiah at Middlebury College, Middlebury, Vermont, 21 February 2018.]- uploaded by PoliticalInsightsJonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. Haidt is the author of two books: The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom (2006) and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2012).
He is also founder of the Heterodox Academy to support viewpoint diversity in academia: heterodoxacademy.org/
In this talk from Feb 2018 at Middlebury College he talks about viewpoint diversity, free speech and confirmation bias.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Building a Robust Public Sphere, see here *. C.Steven Pinker: Political Correctness Might Be Redpilling America [7:59] [Excerpt from Spiked Magazineโs Unsafe Space Tour panel discussion at Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 6 November 2017.]- uploaded by Learn LibertyHarvard psychology professor Steven Pinker argues that political correctness actually breeds the very same extremist views it hopes to quash.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Is Political Correctness Why Trump Won?, see here *. D.Cat Powers - Manhattan (2013)- uploaded by Cat PowerLL Cool J, featuring Lt. Stitchie - Straight From Queens (1993)- uploaded by LL Cool JBeastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1986)- uploaded by BeastieBoysE.Cat Power - The Greatest [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 23 June 2006.]- uploaded by Ron Jenkins________________ At around 19:03 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part B, first video: Jonathan Haidt discusses an op-ed written by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia University) for The New York Times on how identity politics may have alienated a lot of people and contributed to Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 American presidential election. Shortly thereafter, one of Lilla's colleagues at Columbia (Katherine Franke) likened him to the former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke. According to Haidt, what was Lilla's response? 2. Part B, second video: As a counter to the dangers of motivated reasoning, Jonathan Haidt emphasises the need for viewpoint diversity in a university or academic setting โ and for what he refers to as institutionalised disconfirmation. His assertion is that, when institutionalised disconfirmation breaks down, the entire relevant field of scholarship breaks down as well, is no longer trustworthy, and cannot reliably be used to give policy recommendations. Haidt also quotes John Stuart Mill from On Liberty (1859). Please cite that quote. 3. Part C: Briefly describe Steven Pinker's example of harm caused by political correctness rendering certain topics undiscussable (e.g. because those topics are suppressed, or people who raise them are shouted down or even assaulted). 4. Part D: The thematic connection between the three songs was just a tease. Focusing instead on the first video, at one point Cat Power playfully holds a 12" LP to her crotch. (i) Name both the record and artist. (ii) Three decades later, this artist would go on to collaborate with a famous English band / duo. Their performances together included playing a song on the same music television show that Cat Power appears on in Part E. For the forum's listening pleasure, post a video of that performance. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 31, 2022 19:02:02 GMT 1, COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 Juneโ2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Banksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece.
2. Part B:
2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools".
2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have โ which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict.
What are these two goals?
3. Part C:
(i) What is Hanlon's Razor?
(ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges.
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In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April โ and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 Juneโ2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Deride and Conquer / Monkey Queen is one of Ban ksy's most recognisable motifs. The chimpanzee from that image was partly also used as a source image for a separate official piece created by the artist. Post a photo of that piece. 2. Part B: 2.1 What is it that Julia Galef felt was missing from the discourse about rationality? Within this context, please also explain what she means by intelligence and knowledge being "tools". 2.2 With references to "On the one hand" and "On the other hand", Coleman Hughes describes two goals many people have โ which seem so important that it's very difficult to know what to do when they're in tension or conflict. What are these two goals? 3. Part C: (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers a clue to question 1 will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April โ and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 31, 2022 19:01:02 GMT 1, COMPETITION 43A.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. B.How to DisagreeBy Paul Graham March 2008www.paulgraham.com/disagree.htmlGraham's Hierarchy of DisagreementC.D.FIRST REACTION to MAXIMUM THE HORMONE (A.L.I.E.N) ๐ฝ๐ธ๐ฅ - uploaded by Chase Carneson on 4 September 2020E.Adam & the Ants - Kings of the Wild Frontier (1980)- uploaded by adamantdotnetMelvins - Civilized Worm [Live at the Bonnaroo Music & Arts Festival in Manchester, Tennessee, 10 July 2010.]- uploaded by DigitalMeltd0wnArcade Fire - Ready To Start [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired in November 2010, Series 37, Episode 10.]- uploaded by Arcade FireThe Kills - Future Starts Slow [Live at iConcerts, venue and date unknown, but possibly in Montreal circa 2012.]- uploaded by Lila Lila________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part A:
1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book (The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between the soldier mindset and scout mindset.
In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms?
1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps.
(i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay.
(ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef.
2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances featured. Post a fifth video (of a different set of performers) that shares this commonality.
________________
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COMPETITION 43A.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. B.How to DisagreeBy Paul Graham March 2008www.paulgraham.com/disagree.htmlGraham's Hierarchy of DisagreementC.D.FIRST REACTION to MAXIMUM THE HORMONE (A.L.I.E.N) ๐ฝ๐ธ๐ฅ - uploaded by Chase Carneson on 4 September 2020E.Adam & the Ants - Kings of the Wild Frontier (1980)- uploaded by adamantdotnetMelvins - Civilized Worm [Live at the Bonnaroo Music & Arts Festival in Manchester, Tennessee, 10 July 2010.]- uploaded by DigitalMeltd0wnArcade Fire - Ready To Start [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired in November 2010, Series 37, Episode 10.]- uploaded by Arcade FireThe Kills - Future Starts Slow [Live at iConcerts, venue and date unknown, but possibly in Montreal circa 2012.]- uploaded by Lila Lila________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: 1.1 Coleman Hughes mentions the big theme throughout Julia Galef's book ( The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't) as being the difference between the soldier mindset and scout mindset. In three or more sentences, how does Galef then describe what she means by these two terms? 1.2 Late in the conversation, Hughes makes reference to an essay. Although he doesn't recall the author, Galef is able to fill in the gaps. (i) Name the author, the title, and post a link to that essay. (ii) In two to five sentences, describe the gist of that essay according to Galef. 2. Part E: A common denominator exists, tying together all four performances featured. Post a fifth video (of a different set of performers) that shares this commonality. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 31, 2022 19:00:02 GMT 1, COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Hereโs How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biasesโsomething we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right nowโover climate change, gun control, or vaccinesโare somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs โ or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.๐บ๐ฆ Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ [Tire dress at 2:33โ3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh๐บ๐ฆ Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
Competition eligibility and answer requirements here*.
QUESTIONS
1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information โ and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation.
Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached.
2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset?
3. Part D: Banksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal.
(i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.]
(ii) Please also explain the context of this connection.
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COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Hereโs How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biasesโsomething we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right nowโover climate change, gun control, or vaccinesโare somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs โ or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.๐บ๐ฆ Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ [Tire dress at 2:33โ3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh๐บ๐ฆ Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins. Competition eligibility and answer requirements here *. QUESTIONS1. Part A: Dr. Tali Sharot talks about giving people with different beliefs the same factual information โ and the phenomenon where, instead of bringing those people closer together in their beliefs, the facts led to their polarisation. Sharot also refers to research by Dan Kahan at Yale University. In three or four sentences, describe the experiments carried out by Kahan and his colleagues, and the conclusions they reached. 2. Part B: When discussing the Dreyfus Affair, Julia Galef refers to Georges Picquart as being a poster child for what she calls "scout mindset". How does Galef then go on to describe the scout mindset? 3. Part D: Ban ksy's Turf War image (whether the original depicted, or the screenprint released by Pictures On Walls) has an indirect but clear and specific connection to a particular animal. (i) What is the animal? [The answer sought is neither a bulldog nor a lion.](ii) Please also explain the context of this connection. ________________ In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, a clue to question 3 will be posted in seven days โ at around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 7 April โ and the competition will continue to run for a further week.
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Ted Patrick ๐ฌ๐ง Who is Ted Patrick? โข New Print Release , by met on Mar 28, 2022 17:08:31 GMT 1, Who is Ted Patrick ? Just another fake artist set up by members of this board. To anyone new here be careful. Evey now and then this group will create an artist then they will talk him up then try to sell to other members here. Some of the most respected people here are involved in this scam. What it shows most is the lack of connection these people have with the street as the art is always a bit....OFF .. you have been Warned. Watch out for the old gent types. Always helpful and oh so so polite. This thing spans generations. Fuck with one more of my ebay listings and ill come back and expose more. You have been warned. I have nothing to lose. This would look very very bad for the artist involved. I think his real art is dope. The fake stuff for here less so. Do not make me spill all the beans. This is your last warning..
The irony is that half-assed revelations like this one โ which disclose little of substance and hold absolutely nobody directly accountable โ are just as much a part of the problem.
Likewise with the use of burner accounts.
These are the actions of an individual who is fearful of stepping up. Of manning up. They're the actions of someone who (notwithstanding assertions to the contrary) believes they actually do have something to lose.
And so, rather than using their regular forum account, they set up a new account from which to spew and make threats โ safe in the knowledge that relative anonymity will offer some protection from potential blowback. In other words, they can lash out without consequence.
Moreover, the reference to eBay listings suggests their comments about the Ted Patrick fake-artist shenanigans are not so much based on principle. Instead, they're being used as ammunition, to fire warning shots across the bows โ i.e. "If you mess with my eBay sales again, I will retaliate by exposing you."
What all of this points to is moral cowardice. [And if forced to choose between dishonesty and cowardice, I'd be hard pressed to identify which one I despise most.]
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I believe you can do better, @ttt.
Find that courage within. That genuine conviction as to right and wrong. Assume your actions are being watched, and judged, by those closest to you, whose opinions you cherish most.
Do you have credible, considered and persuasive evidence that offers proof of wrongdoing beyond a reasonable doubt?
If so, then please set it out. Fully, methodically, clinically, dispassionately.
Please also identify the specific forum members involved, and their specific roles in the subterfuge. After all, they forfeited their right to privacy when they made the conscious choice to deceive other members here.
If Ted P would like a chat about his art please PM me. I don't want to diss anyone's work. If Ted is one person and a true artist I would instantly take back all that I've said, about Ted. Also Who is considered Staff Here? As They can see your email addresses. This could be used against members and we should have a right to know who has access to this info.
Sounds like you're backtracking now.
If you lack irrefutable evidence and your comments were founded on mere suspicion, then the onus lies with you to be much clearer about this point.
Who is Ted Patrick ? Just another fake artist set up by members of this board. To anyone new here be careful. Evey now and then this group will create an artist then they will talk him up then try to sell to other members here. Some of the most respected people here are involved in this scam. What it shows most is the lack of connection these people have with the street as the art is always a bit....OFF .. you have been Warned. Watch out for the old gent types. Always helpful and oh so so polite. This thing spans generations. Fuck with one more of my ebay listings and ill come back and expose more. You have been warned. I have nothing to lose. This would look very very bad for the artist involved. I think his real art is dope. The fake stuff for here less so. Do not make me spill all the beans. This is your last warning.. The irony is that half-assed revelations like this one โ which disclose little of substance and hold absolutely nobody directly accountable โ are just as much a part of the problem. Likewise with the use of burner accounts. These are the actions of an individual who is fearful of stepping up. Of manning up. They're the actions of someone who (notwithstanding assertions to the contrary) believes they actually do have something to lose. And so, rather than using their regular forum account, they set up a new account from which to spew and make threats โ safe in the knowledge that relative anonymity will offer some protection from potential blowback. In other words, they can lash out without consequence. Moreover, the reference to eB ay listings suggests their comments about the Ted Patrick fake-artist shenanigans are not so much based on principle. Instead, they're being used as ammunition, to fire warning shots across the bows โ i.e. "If you mess with my eBay sales again, I will retaliate by exposing you."What all of this points to is moral cowardice. [And if forced to choose between dishonesty and cowardice, I'd be hard pressed to identify which one I despise most.]__________ I believe you can do better, @ttt. Find that courage within. That genuine conviction as to right and wrong. Assume your actions are being watched, and judged, by those closest to you, whose opinions you cherish most. Do you have credible, considered and persuasive evidence that offers proof of wrongdoing beyond a reasonable doubt? If so, then please set it out. Fully, methodically, clinically, dispassionately. Please also identify the specific forum members involved, and their specific roles in the subterfuge. After all, they forfeited their right to privacy when they made the conscious choice to deceive other members here. If Ted P would like a chat about his art please PM me. I don't want to diss anyone's work. If Ted is one person and a true artist I would instantly take back all that I've said, about Ted. Also Who is considered Staff Here? As They can see your email addresses. This could be used against members and we should have a right to know who has access to this info. Sounds like you're backtracking now. If you lack irrefutable evidence and your comments were founded on mere suspicion, then the onus lies with you to be much clearer about this point.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:22:16 GMT 1, COMPETITION 45
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Jonathan Haidt on Charlie Rose March 6, 2017 [25:53] - uploaded by Converging Perspectives on 5 May 2017
Frank Bruni, an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and NYU professor Jonathan Haidt discuss free speech on college campuses, following recent violence at Middlebury College and UC Berkeley.
Jonathan Haidt Tests Viewpoint Diversity of University Student Audience [10:48] [Excerpt from panel discussion by Jill Lepore, Jonathan Haidt and Kwame Anthony Appiah at Middlebury College, Middlebury, Vermont, 21 February 2018.] - uploaded by PoliticalInsights
Jonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. Haidt is the author of two books: The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom (2006) and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2012).
He is also founder of the Heterodox Academy to support viewpoint diversity in academia: heterodoxacademy.org/
In this talk from Feb 2018 at Middlebury College he talks about viewpoint diversity, free speech and confirmation bias.
If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Building a Robust Public Sphere, see here*.
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Steven Pinker: Political Correctness Might Be Redpilling America [7:59] [Excerpt from Spiked Magazineโs Unsafe Space Tour panel discussion at Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 6 November 2017.] - uploaded by Learn Liberty
Harvard psychology professor Steven Pinker argues that political correctness actually breeds the very same extremist views it hopes to quash.
If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Is Political Correctness Why Trump Won?, see here*.
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Cat Powers - Manhattan (2013) - uploaded by Cat Power
LL Cool J, featuring Lt. Stitchie - Straight From Queens (1993) - uploaded by LL Cool J
Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1986) - uploaded by BeastieBoys
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Cat Power - The Greatest [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 23 June 2006.] - uploaded by Ron Jenkins
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COMPETITION 45A.B.Jonathan Haidt on Charlie Rose March 6, 2017 [25:53]- uploaded by Converging Perspectives on 5 May 2017Frank Bruni, an op-ed columnist for The New York Times and NYU professor Jonathan Haidt discuss free speech on college campuses, following recent violence at Middlebury College and UC Berkeley.Jonathan Haidt Tests Viewpoint Diversity of University Student Audience [10:48] [Excerpt from panel discussion by Jill Lepore, Jonathan Haidt and Kwame Anthony Appiah at Middlebury College, Middlebury, Vermont, 21 February 2018.]- uploaded by PoliticalInsightsJonathan David Haidt is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. Haidt is the author of two books: The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom (2006) and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2012).
He is also founder of the Heterodox Academy to support viewpoint diversity in academia: heterodoxacademy.org/
In this talk from Feb 2018 at Middlebury College he talks about viewpoint diversity, free speech and confirmation bias.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Building a Robust Public Sphere, see here *. C.Steven Pinker: Political Correctness Might Be Redpilling America [7:59] [Excerpt from Spiked Magazineโs Unsafe Space Tour panel discussion at Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 6 November 2017.]- uploaded by Learn LibertyHarvard psychology professor Steven Pinker argues that political correctness actually breeds the very same extremist views it hopes to quash.If any members are interested in the full panel discussion, titled Is Political Correctness Why Trump Won?, see here *. D.Cat Powers - Manhattan (2013)- uploaded by Cat PowerLL Cool J, featuring Lt. Stitchie - Straight From Queens (1993)- uploaded by LL Cool JBeastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1986)- uploaded by BeastieBoysE.Cat Power - The Greatest [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired on 23 June 2006.]- uploaded by Ron Jenkins________________ At around 19:03 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:21:16 GMT 1, COMPETITION 44
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Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey Queen First exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001
Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002
London, 30 May 2002
Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 Juneโ2 July 2002
Pictures On Walls, 2003
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Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00] - uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021
Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.
***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis.
Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*.
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Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash - uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020
Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice - uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020
Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2 - uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020
Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016 - uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017
Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15) - uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021
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COMPETITION 44A.Deride and Conquer, a.k.a. Monkey QueenFirst exhibited at the Peace is Tough show with Jamie Reid, at The Arches, Glasgow, March 2001 Exposure magazine, Vol. 25, January 2002 London, 30 May 2002 Hamburg, Urban Discipline 2002: Graffiti Art, 26 Juneโ2 July 2002 Pictures On Walls, 2003 B.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.***Video already posted in Competition 43, but repeated here for emphasis. Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. C.D.Ozzy Man Reviews: Speedboat Crash- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 4 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 2 June 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Humans Being Nice #2- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 1 July 2020Ozzy Man Reviews: Best of Ping Pong 2016- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 10 February 2017Ozzy Man Reviews: Destination F Compilation (Vol.15)- uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews on 25 February 2021________________ At around 19:02 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:20:07 GMT 1, COMPETITION 43
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Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00] - uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021
Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.
Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*.
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How to Disagree By Paul Graham March 2008
www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
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FIRST REACTION to MAXIMUM THE HORMONE (A.L.I.E.N) ๐ฝ๐ธ๐ฅ - uploaded by Chase Carneson on 4 September 2020
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Adam & the Ants - Kings of the Wild Frontier (1980) - uploaded by adamantdotnet
Melvins - Civilized Worm [Live at the Bonnaroo Music & Arts Festival in Manchester, Tennessee, 10 July 2010.] - uploaded by DigitalMeltd0wn
Arcade Fire - Ready To Start [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired in November 2010, Series 37, Episode 10.] - uploaded by Arcade Fire
The Kills - Future Starts Slow [Live at iConcerts, venue and date unknown, but possibly in Montreal circa 2012.] - uploaded by Lila Lila
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COMPETITION 43A.Coleman Hughes on How to Think with Julia Galef [S2 Ep.13] [1:32:00]- uploaded by Coleman Hughes on 6 May 2021Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Julia Galef. Julia Galef is an author and podcaster. She's the Co-founder of the Centre for Applied Rationality and the host of the podcast "Rationally Speaking".
In this episode, we discuss her new book, "The Scout Mindset: Why Some People See Things Clearly and Others Don't". We talked about the difference between intelligence and open-mindedness, the tension between pursuing the truth dispassionately and belonging to a tribe, the notion of instrumental rationality, the trade-off between building a larger audience and remaining true to one's principles, and whether affiliating with a political party makes it harder to form true beliefs.Discover also Julia Galef's Rationally Thinking podcast โ including episode 249: The case for racial colorblindness (Coleman Hughes)*. B.How to DisagreeBy Paul Graham March 2008www.paulgraham.com/disagree.htmlGraham's Hierarchy of DisagreementC.D.FIRST REACTION to MAXIMUM THE HORMONE (A.L.I.E.N) ๐ฝ๐ธ๐ฅ - uploaded by Chase Carneson on 4 September 2020E.Adam & the Ants - Kings of the Wild Frontier (1980)- uploaded by adamantdotnetMelvins - Civilized Worm [Live at the Bonnaroo Music & Arts Festival in Manchester, Tennessee, 10 July 2010.]- uploaded by DigitalMeltd0wnArcade Fire - Ready To Start [Live on BBC2's Later... with Jools Holland, first aired in November 2010, Series 37, Episode 10.]- uploaded by Arcade FireThe Kills - Future Starts Slow [Live at iConcerts, venue and date unknown, but possibly in Montreal circa 2012.]- uploaded by Lila Lila________________ At around 19:01 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:19:12 GMT 1, COMPETITION 42
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Facts Don't Win Fights: Hereโs How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41] - uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017
If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biasesโsomething we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right nowโover climate change, gun control, or vaccinesโare somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.
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Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37] - uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016
Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs โ or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"
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๐บ๐ฆ Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here*.
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COMPETITION 42A.Facts Don't Win Fights: Hereโs How to Cut Through Confirmation Bias | Tali Sharot | Big Think [5:41]- uploaded by Big Think on 19 September 2017If you want someone to see an issue rationally, you just show them the facts, right? No one can refute a fact. Well, brain imaging and psychological studies are showing that, society wide, we may be on the wrong path by holding evidence up as an Ace card. Neuroscientist Tali Sharot and her colleagues have proven that reading the same set of facts polarizes groups of people even further, because of our in-built confirmation biasesโsomething we all fall prey to, equally. In fact, Sharot cites research from Yale University that disproves the idea that the social divisions we are experiencing right nowโover climate change, gun control, or vaccinesโare somehow the result of an intelligence gap: smart people are just as illogical, and what's more, they are even more skilled at skewing data to align with their beliefs. So if facts aren't the way forward, what is? There is one thing that may help us swap the moral high ground for actual progress: finding common motives. Here, Sharot explains why identifying a shared goal is better than winning a fight. Tali Sharot's newest book is out now: The Influential Mind: What the Brain Reveals about Our Power to Change Others.B.Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef [TEDxPSU, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, Pennsylvania, 28 February 2016.] [11:37]- uploaded by TED on 8 August 2016Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs โ or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"C.๐บ๐ฆ Slava Ukraini. Uninterrupted video from 2017 available in 4K here *. Vocal Coach/Opera Singer FIRST TIME REACTION & ANALYSIS Jinjer "Pisces" (Live Session)- uploaded by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth Zharoff) on 19 June 2020VOCAL COACH REACTS | FIRST TIME REACTION to JINJER PISCES... I wasn't ready.- uploaded by Julia Nilon on 21 August 2020D.E.Thierry Mugler, Spring/Summer 1997, Paris, 22 January 1997 Thierry Mugler Haute Couture Spring/Summer 1997 Full Show | EXCLUSIVE | HQ [Tire dress at 2:33โ3:21.]- uploaded by christianzh๐บ๐ฆ Euromaidan, Independence Square, Kiev, 20 February 2014 *________________ At around 19:00 UK time on Thursday 31 March, I'll quote this post and add one or more questions or instructions. The first eligible member to answer correctly, wins.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:18:26 GMT 1, COMPETITION RULES
1. Eligibility
Members are free to participate unless disqualified under points 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3 in this post*.
Briefly:
(i) you need a minimum of 91 existing (undeleted) posts; (ii) no fraudsters or thieves; and (iii) those with more than one account here are unwelcome (bar the limited exception set out in point 8.3).
2. Answer requirements
2.1 While advance content posted may sometimes allow members to predict the competition questions that will later follow, the only answers considered will be those received after the questions have actually been posted.
2.2 Answers for any competition must be clearly expressed, in a single unedited post. Multiple attempts by a member at responding to the same competition question(s) are not permitted โ including by editing their original answer, or deleting their original answer and posting a revised one.
2.3 For each question, please provide a single answer. Scattergun approaches to responding (e.g. "The answer could be [x], but it might also be [y]") will be disqualified in the interest of fairness.
2.4 If more than one answer is required, all answers provided must be correct and complete in order to win the competition.
2.5 Applicable to multiple competitions held simultaneously as part of a series (rather than one-off, single competitions):
After posting their answers for one competition, an eligible member who wishes to participate in a second competition must wait a full 24 hours before posting answers for that second competition. They must then wait a further 24 hours before posting answers for a third competition. And so on.
Exception to this 24-hour interval between the posting of answers for different competitions: If, prior to the expiry of a 24-hour period, I confirm that a member's answers for one competition are incorrect or insufficiently complete, that member is then free to immediately post answers for a different competition.
[This new rule in effect prohibits any forum member from winning two competitions in less than 24 hours. Its purpose is to encourage participation among a broader group of eligible members.]
3. Prize
Competition winners will be promptly contacted via private message for their name and shipping address, or the name and shipping address of their forward giftee.
For recipients based outside of the UK, a contact telephone number may be required by the courier company in case any issues arise during attempted delivery.
Unless otherwise specified, the prize will be cookies.
COMPETITION RULES1. EligibilityMembers are free to participate unless disqualified under points 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3 in this post *. Briefly: (i) you need a minimum of 91 existing (undeleted) posts; (ii) no fraudsters or thieves; and (iii) those with more than one account here are unwelcome (bar the limited exception set out in point 8.3). 2. Answer requirements2.1 While advance content posted may sometimes allow members to predict the competition questions that will later follow, the only answers considered will be those received after the questions have actually been posted. 2.2 Answers for any competition must be clearly expressed, in a single unedited post. Multiple attempts by a member at responding to the same competition question(s) are not permitted โ including by editing their original answer, or deleting their original answer and posting a revised one. 2.3 For each question, please provide a single answer. Scattergun approaches to responding (e.g. "The answer could be [x], but it might also be [y]") will be disqualified in the interest of fairness. 2.4 If more than one answer is required, all answers provided must be correct and complete in order to win the competition. 2.5 Applicable to multiple competitions held simultaneously as part of a series (rather than one-off, single competitions): After posting their answers for one competition, an eligible member who wishes to participate in a second competition must wait a full 24 hours before posting answers for that second competition. They must then wait a further 24 hours before posting answers for a third competition. And so on. Exception to this 24-hour interval between the posting of answers for different competitions: If, prior to the expiry of a 24-hour period, I confirm that a member's answers for one competition are incorrect or insufficiently complete, that member is then free to immediately post answers for a different competition. [This new rule in effect prohibits any forum member from winning two competitions in less than 24 hours. Its purpose is to encourage participation among a broader group of eligible members.]3. PrizeCompetition winners will be promptly contacted via private message for their name and shipping address, or the name and shipping address of their forward giftee. For recipients based outside of the UK, a contact telephone number may be required by the courier company in case any issues arise during attempted delivery. Unless otherwise specified, the prize will be cookies.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:18:01 GMT 1, Side rant about the deletion of posts
For members who are tempted to delete any of their posts, or substantive parts thereof, I would discourage them from doing so.
1. Even if unrecognised at the time they're drafted, along with their corresponding threads, individual posts may have long-lasting value to this forum.
For example:
(i) they're a source of knowledge and context that can be referred back to in the years to come (including when the subject matter is as trivial as pricing or a sales thread);
(ii) they sometimes provide valuable warnings to others about market manipulation, overpricing, scamming, counterfeiting, the identities of deceitful individuals (both private and professional), and other risks and shenanigans constantly faced by art collectors;
(iii) they can offer insights on the artists, artwork or concerns that many forum members were fixated on at a particular point in time โ which may be informative, especially after hype subsides, initial interest wanes, and sheep-like focus (along with the familiar pattern of speculation) has shifted elsewhere; and
(iv) so on and so forth (fourth).
Deleting posts is unhelpful to the forum because it compromises the integrity of threads, sometimes making them incoherent. As previously mentioned*, it can result in a needless waste of an educational opportunity.
2. More broadly, removing posts can potentially corrupt our memories of forum history and the truth.
3. The act of deleting posts also does a disservice to the perceived character of the deleter. It betrays a revisionist mindset, with the relevant member seemingly trying to hide what they previously stated.
While understandable, attempting to cover their tracks by expunging everything that may be incorrect, ill-judged, embarrassing or otherwise compromising seems rather cowardly. It does little to elicit respect. Even less so when posts are removed surreptitiously, on the sly โ as if to pretend they were never published in the first place.
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If a member has drafted any posts that:
(i) turn out to be factually inaccurate or misleading; (ii) could make them look foolish, misguided or petty; or (iii) might indicate they're prone to losing self-control,
on balance I suggest it's preferable that they retain the original posts in their entirety, and just insert a later correction or apology by way of addendum, using the forum's Edit function. And if need really be, using the Strike Through option.
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Despite the above reference to a "rant", this text could also be reframed as an ode, which has more positive connotations.
Let this therefore be an ode to:
(a) keeping original posts in place, so that forum threads remain comprehensive and comprehensible (rather than incomplete or disjointed); and
(b) manning up, being transparent when we make mistakes, by acknowledging and addressing them openly (rather than heeding the often pride-based, feeble temptation to cover up and delete).
Side rant about the deletion of postsFor members who are tempted to delete any of their posts, or substantive parts thereof, I would discourage them from doing so. 1. Even if unrecognised at the time they're drafted, along with their corresponding threads, individual posts may have long-lasting value to this forum. For example: (i) they're a source of knowledge and context that can be referred back to in the years to come (including when the subject matter is as trivial as pricing or a sales thread); (ii) they sometimes provide valuable warnings to others about market manipulation, overpricing, scamming, counterfeiting, the identities of deceitful individuals (both private and professional), and other risks and shenanigans constantly faced by art collectors; (iii) they can offer insights on the artists, artwork or concerns that many forum members were fixated on at a particular point in time โ which may be informative, especially after hype subsides, initial interest wanes, and sheep-like focus (along with the familiar pattern of speculation) has shifted elsewhere; and (iv) so on and so forth (fourth). Deleting posts is unhelpful to the forum because it compromises the integrity of threads, sometimes making them incoherent. As previously mentioned *, it can result in a needless waste of an educational opportunity. 2. More broadly, removing posts can potentially corrupt our memories of forum history and the truth. 3. The act of deleting posts also does a disservice to the perceived character of the deleter. It betrays a revisionist mindset, with the relevant member seemingly trying to hide what they previously stated. While understandable, attempting to cover their tracks by expunging everything that may be incorrect, ill-judged, embarrassing or otherwise compromising seems rather cowardly. It does little to elicit respect. Even less so when posts are removed surreptitiously, on the sly โ as if to pretend they were never published in the first place. __________ If a member has drafted any posts that: (i) turn out to be factually inaccurate or misleading; (ii) could make them look foolish, misguided or petty; or (iii) might indicate they're prone to losing self-control, on balance I suggest it's preferable that they retain the original posts in their entirety, and just insert a later correction or apology by way of addendum, using the forum's Edit function. And if need really be, using the Strike Through option. __________ Despite the above reference to a "rant", this text could also be reframed as an ode, which has more positive connotations. Let this therefore be an ode to: (a) keeping original posts in place, so that forum threads remain comprehensive and comprehensible (rather than incomplete or disjointed); and (b) manning up, being transparent when we make mistakes, by acknowledging and addressing them openly (rather than heeding the often pride-based, feeble temptation to cover up and delete).
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Mar 28, 2022 5:17:16 GMT 1, Competitions updates
Plenty of housekeeping is required by me on this thread, but that responsibility is being further postponed in favour of new competitions.
Among other things, like owing considered responses to half a dozen members, I still haven't initiated the bonus task following Stages 1 and 2 of Competition 39 from FebruaryโMarch 2021, exclusive to participants who successfully completed both stages*.
Apologies to kjg, viz and astarti for the silly ongoing delays. [It's a clutching-at-straws excuse, but some of the videos in the new competitions could be viewed as additional primers for that future bonus task.]
Prizes previously won were on each occasion promptly dispatched โ with the exception of the one for godโs ultimate noise, who went radio silent after winning Competition 41 on 23 February 2021*, before providing an address for either themselves or a forward giftee.
The situation doesn't look very promising since they also appear to have deleted all of their forum posts. And given those posts were consistently well-informed, the deletions are most regrettable. It's an act that seems oddly and uncharacteristically petulant.
If members have any news about why godโs ultimate noise abandoned us so abruptly, that would be helpful. I'd like to exercise best efforts in dispatching their prize, to cross this off my list of outstanding duties.
Competitions updatesPlenty of housekeeping is required by me on this thread, but that responsibility is being further postponed in favour of new competitions. Among other things, like owing considered responses to half a dozen members, I still haven't initiated the bonus task following Stages 1 and 2 of Competition 39 from FebruaryโMarch 2021, exclusive to participants who successfully completed both stages *. Apologies to kjg, viz and astarti for the silly ongoing delays. [It's a clutching-at-straws excuse, but some of the videos in the new competitions could be viewed as additional primers for that future bonus task.]Prizes previously won were on each occasion promptly dispatched โ with the exception of the one for godโs ultimate noise, who went radio silent after winning Competition 41 on 23 February 2021 *, before providing an address for either themselves or a forward giftee. The situation doesn't look very promising since they also appear to have deleted all of their forum posts. And given those posts were consistently well-informed, the deletions are most regrettable. It's an act that seems oddly and uncharacteristically petulant. If members have any news about why godโs ultimate noise abandoned us so abruptly, that would be helpful. I'd like to exercise best efforts in dispatching their prize, to cross this off my list of outstanding duties.
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David Shrigley Artwork, VALUATION, by met on Mar 25, 2022 0:26:10 GMT 1, I have a Time To Choose print signed by Shrigley with the P.O.W. stamp - #16/25 Anyone know the value? I'm interested in selling it - Thanks ~
One of my all-time favourite POW releases.
But these screenprints were also unsigned. And unlimited, i.e. not part of a limited edition.
What you therefore have is a fake Shrigley signature. And a fake edition number.
Perhaps you are a fraudster, or one of the previous owners (e.g. the person who sold it to you) is the fraudster.
Either way, as far as I'm concerned (and notwithstanding the apparently-genuine blindstamp), this print is sadly fucked.
I have a Time To Choose print signed by Shrigley with the P.O.W. stamp - #16/25 Anyone know the value? I'm interested in selling it - Thanks ~ One of my all-time favourite POW releases. But these screenprints were also unsigned. And unlimited, i.e. not part of a limited edition. What you therefore have is a fake Sh rigley signature. And a fake edition number. Perhaps you are a fraudster, or one of the previous owners (e.g. the person who sold it to you) is the fraudster. Either way, as far as I'm concerned (and notwithstanding the apparently-genuine blindstamp), this print is sadly fu cked.
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Hajime Sorayama ๐ฏ๐ต Sexy Robot โข Kaws โข Art For Sale , by met on Mar 23, 2022 20:07:26 GMT 1, Hi, I am selling my Hajime Sorayama - The Midas touch - Sexy Robot Arm - #100 For further info, PM please all the best johnj
My experiences thus far have been limited to female humans.
That said, I consider myself reasonably open-minded. And so, far be it from me to summarily dismiss the idea of a robot arm, especially a sexy one.
I do have a few questions.
Please forgive their basic nature (this is all very new to me):
(i) Is there an instruction manual?
(ii) Does the arm come with different settings, e.g. for speed and/or grip-strength?
(iii) Am I correct to assume there's a kill switch, in case of an unfortunate malfunction while in use?
Hi, I am selling my Hajime Sorayama - The Midas touch - Sexy Robot Arm - #100 For further info, PM please all the best johnj My experiences thus far have been limited to female humans. That said, I consider myself reasonably open-minded. And so, far be it from me to summarily dismiss the idea of a robot arm, especially a sexy one. I do have a few questions. Please forgive their basic nature (this is all very new to me): (i) Is there an instruction manual? (ii) Does the arm come with different settings, e.g. for speed and/or grip-strength? (iii) Am I correct to assume there's a kill switch, in case of an unfortunate malfunction while in use?
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Art for Ukraine , by met on Mar 22, 2022 17:19:28 GMT 1,
A little twee, but effective and well-executed. This work by Russell Heron should have broad appeal.
There's a cleverness I also appreciate, with the imagery of torn cardboard at the base of the heart and to its right.
Presumably, these areas represent Crimea and the so-called Donetsk Peopleโs Republic and Luhansk Peopleโs Republic.
A little twee, but effective and well-executed. This work by Russell Heron should have broad appeal. There's a cleverness I also appreciate, with the imagery of torn cardboard at the base of the heart and to its right. Presumably, these areas represent Crimea and the so-called Donetsk Peopleโs Republic and Luhansk Peopleโs Republic.
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Zedsy ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข New Print Release , by met on Mar 18, 2022 23:14:59 GMT 1, Laura Day does sound like she might be a saint. But I wonder if she's ever dealt with any puppies that have been biting others for 7+ years. I bet she definitely dealt with that! But it gets quite confusing now because the solution to all puppy growth problems seems to be related to food: "As your puppy grows, his needs evolve quite drastically in every facet of his life. This includes his dietary needs! As your barking buddy undergoes major physical and mental changes, you have to keep up to accommodate them. This begs the questionโwhat time is the right time to switch over to adult dog food". I will send some tailored nutrition suggestions to Zedsy first thing in the morning.
Ah, yes. Great idea.
We may then get to experience the Zedsy Spraycation as early as summer 2025 โ instead of having to wait 17 years, like we just did with his museum intervention.
Yipee.
Laura Day does sound like she might be a saint. But I wonder if she's ever dealt with any puppies that have been biting others for 7+ years. I bet she definitely dealt with that! But it gets quite confusing now because the solution to all puppy growth problems seems to be related to food: "As your puppy grows, his needs evolve quite drastically in every facet of his life. This includes his dietary needs! As your barking buddy undergoes major physical and mental changes, you have to keep up to accommodate them. This begs the questionโwhat time is the right time to switch over to adult dog food". I will send some tailored nutrition suggestions to Zedsy first thing in the morning.
Ah, yes. Great idea. We may then get to experience the Zedsy Spraycation as early as summer 2025 โ instead of having to wait 17 years, like we just did with his museum intervention. Yipee.
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Zedsy ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข New Print Release , by met on Mar 18, 2022 21:55:55 GMT 1, At first glance, this advice relating to shortness of time seems very sensible. However, it doesn't actually have general application. What it fails to take into account are the many cases of artistic arrested development and absence of original ideas โ which, depending on the individual, may easily continue for the entire duration of their career. That is true knowledge and I totally agree with that. But Laury Day is quite correct when she says: "It is important to keep in mind that puppies are, well, puppies. They arenโt going to be perfect, no matter how many steps you take to eliminate their biting. Theyโre always going to nip once in a while, as this is their way of figuring out the world around themโthey donโt have hands, after all!"
Laura Day does sound like she might be a saint.
But I wonder if she's ever dealt with any puppies that have been biting others for 7+ years.
At first glance, this advice relating to shortness of time seems very sensible. However, it doesn't actually have general application. What it fails to take into account are the many cases of artistic arrested development and absence of original ideas โ which, depending on the individual, may easily continue for the entire duration of their career. That is true knowledge and I totally agree with that. But Laury Day is quite correct when she says: "It is important to keep in mind that puppies are, well, puppies. They arenโt going to be perfect, no matter how many steps you take to eliminate their biting. Theyโre always going to nip once in a while, as this is their way of figuring out the world around themโthey donโt have hands, after all!" Laura Day does sound like she might be a saint. But I wonder if she's ever dealt with any puppies that have been biting others for 7+ years.
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Zedsy ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข New Print Release , by met on Mar 18, 2022 21:27:28 GMT 1, "And remember, puppyhood is fast and is gone before you know it. Make sure to savor the time when your pup is young, and take lots of pictures along the way!" :-)
At first glance, this advice relating to shortness of time seems very sensible.
However, it doesn't actually have general application. What it fails to take into account are the many cases of artistic arrested development and absence of original ideas โ which, depending on the individual, may easily continue for the entire duration of their career.
"And remember, puppyhood is fast and is gone before you know it. Make sure to savor the time when your pup is young, and take lots of pictures along the way!" :-)
At first glance, this advice relating to shortness of time seems very sensible. However, it doesn't actually have general application. What it fails to take into account are the many cases of artistic arrested development and absence of original ideas โ which, depending on the individual, may easily continue for the entire duration of their career.
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Zedsy ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข New Print Release , by met on Mar 18, 2022 20:45:51 GMT 1, Zedsy in Paris โ On a visit to the iconic city, a graffiti artist takes in the famous sights - and leaves an impressionistic mark of his own. Whatโs not to Louvre? Watch now:
www.pupbox.com/training/puppy-wont-stop-biting/
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Mar 18, 2022 12:16:54 GMT 1, Lots of greatness on this album but this one stands out for sure! Regardless of what I think of Bono.
Bono: Hello, I'm here for the ad. To be one of the extras on...
Peaky Blinders casting director: Nah mate, you're alright. Come back next week for the docudrama on Lenin.
Lots of greatness on this album but this one stands out for sure! Regardless of what I think of Bono. Bono: Hello, I'm here for the ad. To be one of the extras on...Peaky Blinders casting director: Nah mate, you're alright. Come back next week for the docudrama on Lenin.
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Banksy ยฃ10 โข Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Mar 11, 2022 12:43:17 GMT 1, Thank you for your response. I now I'm still a "noob" in Banksy art, but with your help everybody learns something. I just took a new picture with a better lens and now I see the the CMYK Colors. Am I the only one ? Thank you and have a blessed day! ThePilot
You've taken an image of Diana's eye on the left (her right).
Colours alone are inconclusive. One needs to assess a combination of elements โ including the size, shape, spacing and composition of the coloured dots.
The first image below is a further close-up of your latest photo.
Compare and contrast with the second image below, taken by me earlier this morning of a genuine Banksy Di-Faced Tenner:
My recommendation would be that you commence the process of seeking an immediate refund via (as appropriate) eBay, PayPal, and/or the issuer of your debit or credit card.
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A few members here have spent a reasonable amount of time and effort assisting you.
By way of reciprocity, please could you confirm the eBay username, real name, location and contact details of the person who sold you the counterfeit tenner.
This will benefit all forum members, letting them know whom to be wary of, and thus reducing the likelihood of others getting ripped off.
The willingness to show courage by publicly exposing wrongdoers also has an important dissuasive effect โ both for current scammers and those who might be thinking about selling fakes in the future.
Thank you for your response. I now I'm still a "noob" in Banksy art, but with your help everybody learns something. I just took a new picture with a better lens and now I see the the CMYK Colors. Am I the only one ? Thank you and have a blessed day! ThePilot You've taken an image of Diana's eye on the left (her right). Colours alone are inconclusive. One needs to assess a combination of elements โ including the size, shape, spacing and composition of the coloured dots. The first image below is a further close-up of your latest photo. Compare and contrast with the second image below, taken by me earlier this morning of a genuine Banksy Di-Faced Tenner: My recommendation would be that you commence the process of seeking an immediate refund via (as appropriate) eB ay, PayPal, and/or the issuer of your debit or credit card. __________ A few members here have spent a reasonable amount of time and effort assisting you. By way of reciprocity, please could you confirm the eBay username, real name, location and contact details of the person who sold you the counterfeit tenner. This will benefit all forum members, letting them know whom to be wary of, and thus reducing the likelihood of others getting ripped off. The willingness to show courage by publicly exposing wrongdoers also has an important dissuasive effect โ both for current scammers and those who might be thinking about selling fakes in the future.
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Banksy ยฃ10 โข Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Mar 10, 2022 19:40:58 GMT 1, [...] One of the purposes of this extensive thread, including the very helpful recent posts by hnkpnk, was to give members all the information they needed to make their own informed judgement calls, without the need for hand-holding. Independence > Dependence. Pages 5 and 6 herein make up the best "how to fish" guide I've seen for verifying the authenticity of Ban ksy Di-Faced Tenners. That said, your apparent newbie status must be borne in mind, since it arguably calls for extra patience on my part. In case you have a magnifying glass to hand, use it to get a detailed view of Diana's eye on the right (her left). Are the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) clearly visible, as they are in hnkpnk's close-up photo below? [...]
HiI just bought a Di-Faced tenner on Ebay from a someone in Spain. Could maybe someone help me to authenticate my "Tenner"? THANK YOU ThePilot/ [...] [...]
thepilot โ Of your two photos above that I quoted, here is the first one, but zoomed in:
EDIT: Same photo, zoomed in further:
[...] One of the purposes of this extensive thread, including the very helpful recent posts by hnkpnk, was to give members all the information they needed to make their own informed judgement calls, without the need for hand-holding. Independence > Dependence. Pages 5 and 6 herein make up the best "how to fish" guide I've seen for verifying the authenticity of Ban ksy Di-Faced Tenners. That said, your apparent newbie status must be borne in mind, since it arguably calls for extra patience on my part. In case you have a magnifying glass to hand, use it to get a detailed view of Diana's eye on the right (her left). Are the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) clearly visible, as they are in hnkpnk's close-up photo below? [...] HiI just bought a Di-Faced tenner on Ebay from a someone in Spain. Could maybe someone help me to authenticate my "Tenner"? THANK YOU ThePilot/ [...] [...] thepilot โ Of your two photos above that I quoted, here is the first one, but zoomed in: EDIT: Same photo, zoomed in further:
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Banksy โข Girl With Red Balloon Print, by met on Mar 9, 2022 15:15:04 GMT 1, Where in the UK? Name , address and phone number? The link I posted shows the address as : "" Las Mercedes, Calle California, 1061 Caracas, Capital District, Venezuela. """ Phone (58) 414 0177437 (58) 414 27055 61 abelilty@thecollectionart.com roliveira@thecollectionart.com The Instagram page says Miami, New York, Caracas. www.instagram.com/thecollectionart/?hl=en
I've noticed this issue in the past, but previously let it slide.
You are at times insufficiently thorough with your research, and prone to making assumptions or leaping to conclusions. This may be down to a failure to look beyond preliminary search results.
For example, there are due diligence and verification checks you may have spent 10 minutes on, when instead they merited more effort to find answers that were both accurate and non-misleading.
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Collection Art in its current form is clearly UK-based. This is just common sense. Look at the list of artists whose work the business hawks, the wording and appearance of its website, and the currency it trades in.
You found an old Facebook page and falsely assumed it was still current โ despite the last post being an In Memorium. One of the Venezuelan gallery's two owners died of Covid-19 on 3 September 2020.
Untimely death appears to have spelled the end of that gallery (whose focus, unsurprisingly, had been on Venezuelan art). The domain name of thecollectionart.com was then picked up by one or more repulsive parasites in the UK.
A quick, simple check will also have shown that the Instagram accounts for the Venezuelan entity and the current British one are different โ thecollectionart for the former, thecollectionartgallery for the latter.
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If anybody here knows the name(s) of the current owner(s) of Collection Art, please feel free to disclose.
DAVID HOCKNEY refers to them as "profiteering from human suffering". And given the Banksy rip-off print featuring the Ukrainian flag, that description seems accurate to me.
Where in the UK? Name , address and phone number? The link I posted shows the address as : "" Las Mercedes, Calle California, 1061 Caracas, Capital District, Venezuela. """ Phone (58) 414 0177437 (58) 414 27055 61 abelilty@thecollectionart.com roliveira@thecollectionart.com The Instagram page says Miami, New York, Caracas. www.instagram.com/thecollectionart/?hl=en I've noticed this issue in the past, but previously let it slide. You are at times insufficiently thorough with your research, and prone to making assumptions or leaping to conclusions. This may be down to a failure to look beyond preliminary search results. For example, there are due diligence and verification checks you may have spent 10 minutes on, when instead they merited more effort to find answers that were both accurate and non-misleading. __________ Collection Art in its current form is clearly UK-based. This is just common sense. Look at the list of artists whose work the business hawks, the wording and appearance of its website, and the currency it trades in. You found an old Facebook page and falsely assumed it was still current โ despite the last post being an In Memorium. One of the Venezuelan gallery's two owners died of Covid-19 on 3 September 2020. Untimely death appears to have spelled the end of that gallery (whose focus, unsurprisingly, had been on Venezuelan art). The domain name of thecollectionart.com was then picked up by one or more repulsive parasites in the UK. A quick, simple check will also have shown that the Instagram accounts for the Venezuelan entity and the current British one are different โ thecollectionart for the former, thecollectionartgallery for the latter. __________ If anybody here knows the name(s) of the current owner(s) of Collection Art, please feel free to disclose. DAVID HOCKNEY refers to them as "profiteering from human suffering". And given the Ban ksy rip-off print featuring the Ukrainian flag, that description seems accurate to me.
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Keith haring draws , by met on Mar 7, 2022 21:09:15 GMT 1, And why who tell this ? the people I bought them from had only originals and had met them
Not only are the two items fake, they are terrible fakes โ and obviously inauthentic.
The fact this wasn't immediately clear to you is one reason why I'd strongly recommend staying away from the Keith Haring market until you've acquired a great deal more experience.
Because, at this stage, your eye is desperately untrained. It should at least be generally familiar with Haring's hand-styles and line work. Even more so, your eye should be able to recognise the kind of movements that Haring's hand never made.
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Assuming the people you purchased from do exist, they probably saw you coming. For them, you may have been but a mark.
If I were a full-time or occasional fraudster in the Haring market, I too might claim to have met the artist. ["He was really sweet, by the way. Very generous with his time. He even answered a bunch of my silly questions. And what a talent! It's nothing short of a tragedy that he died so young."]
With studied nonchalance, I'd also indicate that the artificially-aged paintings on my walls were canvases that a family member had acquired "directly from Keith" in the early 1980s.
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My suggestion would be to buy a few books on Haring and visit museums whose collections include his art. Then put in the serious work to better hone your intuition.
And why who tell this ? the people I bought them from had only originals and had met them Not only are the two items fake, they are terrible fakes โ and obviously inauthentic. The fact this wasn't immediately clear to you is one reason why I'd strongly recommend staying away from the Keith Ha ring market until you've acquired a great deal more experience. Because, at this stage, your eye is desperately untrained. It should at least be generally familiar with Ha ring's hand-styles and line work. Even more so, your eye should be able to recognise the kind of movements that Ha ring's hand never made. __________ Assuming the people you purchased from do exist, they probably saw you coming. For them, you may have been but a mark. If I were a full-time or occasional fraudster in the Ha ring market, I too might claim to have met the artist. ["He was really sweet, by the way. Very generous with his time. He even answered a bunch of my silly questions. And what a talent! It's nothing short of a tragedy that he died so young."] With studied nonchalance, I'd also indicate that the artificially-aged paintings on my walls were canvases that a family member had acquired "directly from Keith" in the early 1980s. __________ My suggestion would be to buy a few books on Ha ring and visit museums whose collections include his art. Then put in the serious work to better hone your intuition.
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Keith haring draw, by met on Mar 7, 2022 20:42:25 GMT 1, Thanks for all peolple help me !!
1. May I ask why you deleted your previous posts?
Threads like this one have long-lasting value to the forum. It's important they remain fully accessible, both now and in the years to come. They emphasise the ever-present risks faced by collectors. These include scamming by counterfeiters, fraudsters, or other dishonest individuals (both private and professional) who inhabit the art world.
Deleting your posts is unhelpful because it compromises the integrity of threads, sometimes resulting in them becoming incoherent โ and therefore ineffectual. It is a needless waste of an educational opportunity.
[Thankfully, many of your comments were quoted beforehand by others.]
2. You've benefitted from the willingness of forum members to make an effort, share their knowledge, and assist you in avoiding an expensive mistake.
In return, please could you confirm the name, location and contact details of the person who tried to sell you the counterfeit Keith Haring drawing.
Many thanks in advance.
[...] jopops โ I hope the above effort is of some help to you. By way of reciprocity, I'd be grateful if you could confirm the name, location and contact details of the person or entity who tried to sell you the counterfeit Keith Ha ring drawing. This will benefit all forum members, letting them know whom to be wary of and thus reducing their likelihood of getting ripped off. The willingness to show courage by publicly exposing wrongdoers also has an important dissuasive effect โ both for current scammers and those who might be thinking about selling fakes in the future.
Thanks for all peolple help me !! 1. May I ask why you deleted your previous posts? Threads like this one have long-lasting value to the forum. It's important they remain fully accessible, both now and in the years to come. They emphasise the ever-present risks faced by collectors. These include scamming by counterfeiters, fraudsters, or other dishonest individuals (both private and professional) who inhabit the art world. Deleting your posts is unhelpful because it compromises the integrity of threads, sometimes resulting in them becoming incoherent โ and therefore ineffectual. It is a needless waste of an educational opportunity. [Thankfully, many of your comments were quoted beforehand by others.]2. You've benefitted from the willingness of forum members to make an effort, share their knowledge, and assist you in avoiding an expensive mistake. In return, please could you confirm the name, location and contact details of the person who tried to sell you the counterfeit Keith Ha ring drawing. Many thanks in advance. [...] jopops โ I hope the above effort is of some help to you. By way of reciprocity, I'd be grateful if you could confirm the name, location and contact details of the person or entity who tried to sell you the counterfeit Keith Ha ring drawing. This will benefit all forum members, letting them know whom to be wary of and thus reducing their likelihood of getting ripped off. The willingness to show courage by publicly exposing wrongdoers also has an important dissuasive effect โ both for current scammers and those who might be thinking about selling fakes in the future.
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Simon Munnery, by met on Mar 6, 2022 17:06:12 GMT 1, I recently rediscovered a dvd that I have, "IAMTV" by Simon Munnery from 2007. The portrait of Simon Munnery is sprayed. I always wonder who did the stencil and the spraypaint given the ties Banksy and him had in 2007. It's certainly wishfull thinking, since I don't have any element, I'm not a stencil expert and it could be by anyone. But, I'm still curious to simply ask the question here. Does anybody know? Any chance?
First time I've seen one of these.
My understanding is the DVDs were a limited run, the sleeves were handmade, and each of them was numbered.
Don't know the answer to your query, but I believe you have reasonable cause to be optimistic:
1. Direct supporting evidence would be the artwork itself โ its style, including the stencil-cutting style and characteristic underspray, along with the monochrome palette which, among other things, is reminiscent of the Vote Busta Sleazenation cover.
For the text, there is the rubber or sponge stamps, a technique having also been used with some of the Blur singles and the Banksy x Griffin Studio Wrong War anti-war demonstration kit from 2003.
2. Circumstantial supporting evidence would be the timing of the DVD's release (circa August 2007) that you've already referred to.
This was not long after Simon Munnery's contributions to Wall and Piece (first published in 2005), Munnery's own release of How To Live via Pictures On Walls (2005โ2006?), the art collaborations between Banksy and Munnery (Santa's Ghetto text paintings on plywood), and Munnery acting as "Banksy's lawyer" when liaising with the press during Barely Legal in Los Angeles (September 2006).
Tentative congratulations.
I recently rediscovered a dvd that I have, "IAMTV" by Simon Munnery from 2007. The portrait of Simon Munnery is sprayed. I always wonder who did the stencil and the spraypaint given the ties Banksy and him had in 2007. It's certainly wishfull thinking, since I don't have any element, I'm not a stencil expert and it could be by anyone. But, I'm still curious to simply ask the question here. Does anybody know? Any chance? First time I've seen one of these. My understanding is the DVDs were a limited run, the sleeves were handmade, and each of them was numbered. Don't know the answer to your query, but I believe you have reasonable cause to be optimistic: 1. Direct supporting evidence would be the artwork itself โ its style, including the stencil-cutting style and characteristic underspray, along with the monochrome palette which, among other things, is reminiscent of the Vote Busta Sleazenation cover. For the text, there is the rubber or sponge stamps, a technique having also been used with some of the Blur singles and the Ban ksy x Griffin Studio Wrong War anti-war demonstration kit from 2003. 2. Circumstantial supporting evidence would be the timing of the DVD's release (circa August 2007) that you've already referred to. This was not long after Simon Munnery's contributions to Wall and Piece (first published in 2005), Munnery's own release of How To Live via Pictures On Walls (2005โ2006?), the art collaborations between Ban ksy and Munnery ( Santa's Ghetto text paintings on plywood), and Munnery acting as "Ban ksy's lawyer" when liaising with the press during Barely Legal in Los Angeles (September 2006). Tentative congratulations.
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