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Mrs Banksy, by met on May 19, 2020 3:46:40 GMT 1, ...Every member on this forum is entitled to their own opinion. ... You said it twice now. Yes every member on this forum is entitled to their own opinion. But every opinion is not equal. There are people that has been here from the start and have 15-20+ years experience with urban/street art and Banksy. In my world their opinion weighs a lot more.
At the risk of trying the room's patience with this follow-up, it may be worth clarifying one point:
While noting the distinction you make between the weight attributable to informed versus uninformed views, my issue with shy's posts that I originally quoted* is the deceitfulness.
What is harmful to the forum was their suggestion of something they knew to be false — i.e. that there just might be a connection between (i) the chancer-parasite Mrs Banksy and (ii) the artist Banksy.
This is very different to the scenario where somebody spreads misinformation simply because they don't know any better.
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Under the circumstances, it seems fair to me to describe shy as dishonest here.
A theoretical alternative explanation would be that they're blind to Banksy's work and modi operandi. Yet, for a prolific art collector like they claim to be, the actual level of ignorance we'd be talking about would be so staggering as to stretch the bounds of credulity beyond breaking point. This is why I'm comfortable dismissing ignorance as a possible basis for the originally-quoted posts.
If anyone considers the above analysis to be flawed or otherwise unfair, I'd be happy to hear their arguments. Of course, a gracious out does remain open — that the relevant posts were never serious; they were always meant as a joke.
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I trust there will be no objection to me being entitled to my own opinion.
...Every member on this forum is entitled to their own opinion. ... You said it twice now. Yes every member on this forum is entitled to their own opinion. But every opinion is not equal. There are people that has been here from the start and have 15-20+ years experience with urban/street art and Banksy. In my world their opinion weighs a lot more. At the risk of trying the room's patience with this follow-up, it may be worth clarifying one point: While noting the distinction you make between the weight attributable to informed versus uninformed views, my issue with shy's posts that I originally quoted * is the deceitfulness. What is harmful to the forum was their suggestion of something they knew to be false — i.e. that there just might be a connection between (i) the chancer-parasite Mrs Ban ksy and (ii) the artist Ban ksy. This is very different to the scenario where somebody spreads misinformation simply because they don't know any better. __________ Under the circumstances, it seems fair to me to describe shy as dishonest here. A theoretical alternative explanation would be that they're blind to Ban ksy's work and modi operandi. Yet, for a prolific art collector like they claim to be, the actual level of ignorance we'd be talking about would be so staggering as to stretch the bounds of credulity beyond breaking point. This is why I'm comfortable dismissing ignorance as a possible basis for the originally-quoted posts. If anyone considers the above analysis to be flawed or otherwise unfair, I'd be happy to hear their arguments. Of course, a gracious out does remain open — that the relevant posts were never serious; they were always meant as a joke. __________ I trust there will be no objection to me being entitled to my own opinion.
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Mrs Banksy, by met on May 18, 2020 13:25:12 GMT 1, Met who are you to tell people what to buy or what not to buy? Do you personally know who Banksy is? Or who Mrs Banksy is? If yes please share this info. oh great Wizard of OZ! You have a right to buy whatever art you wish to buy, from whichever artist you choose to support... but so does EVERYONE else. Please show some class and respect others rather than insult people on this forum. Thank You! There's a right way to give some advice and a wrong way. The wrong way is to belittle a fellow forum member. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one should be bullied or belittled. Respect and common courtesy should be afforded to all. ....Peace, good heath and a good night to all!
For time-management and prioritisation reasons, I don't normally read what you write.
On this occasion, however, I did go through the entire Mrs Banksy thread, including your posts. Curiosity got the better of me. Specifically, I was interested in how this thread managed to reach seven pages.
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The key concern for me remains less about Mrs Banksy being a parasite, and more about the insidiousness of your posts I previously quoted*. As already indicated, they are deceitful — intended to encourage the ignorant and easily-swayed to believe Mrs Banksy just might be connected to Banksy.
In my view, this kind of dishonestly should be openly challenged on the forum. A militant position, but not one I believe most members would consider unreasonable.
[Regarding your efforts to reframe my comments as bullying, that's understandable.
If I were a dishonest person and being called out for it, I too would be tempted to cloud the issue, misdirect and play the victim. Although this tactic doesn't work with everyone, it can indeed fool some people who are less astute or not paying attention.
In videos I've seen of bicycle thieves and porch pirates getting caught red-handed, a few proclaimed their innocence with such shrill indignation that I simply couldn't help but be impressed.]
Peace and good health to you as well. One love. Or (even better) two love, if you're lucky enough to have more than a laptop for company.
Met who are you to tell people what to buy or what not to buy? Do you personally know who Banksy is? Or who Mrs Banksy is? If yes please share this info. oh great Wizard of OZ! You have a right to buy whatever art you wish to buy, from whichever artist you choose to support... but so does EVERYONE else. Please show some class and respect others rather than insult people on this forum. Thank You! There's a right way to give some advice and a wrong way. The wrong way is to belittle a fellow forum member. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one should be bullied or belittled. Respect and common courtesy should be afforded to all. ....Peace, good heath and a good night to all! For time-management and prioritisation reasons, I don't normally read what you write. On this occasion, however, I did go through the entire Mrs Banksy thread, including your posts. Curiosity got the better of me. Specifically, I was interested in how this thread managed to reach seven pages. __________ The key concern for me remains less about Mrs Ban ksy being a parasite, and more about the insidiousness of your posts I previously quoted *. As already indicated, they are deceitful — intended to encourage the ignorant and easily-swayed to believe Mrs Ban ksy just might be connected to Ban ksy. In my view, this kind of dishonestly should be openly challenged on the forum. A militant position, but not one I believe most members would consider unreasonable. [Regarding your efforts to reframe my comments as bullying, that's understandable.
If I were a dishonest person and being called out for it, I too would be tempted to cloud the issue, misdirect and play the victim. Although this tactic doesn't work with everyone, it can indeed fool some people who are less astute or not paying attention.
In videos I've seen of bicycle thieves and porch pirates getting caught red-handed, a few proclaimed their innocence with such shrill indignation that I simply couldn't help but be impressed.]Peace and good health to you as well. One love. Or (even better) two love, if you're lucky enough to have more than a laptop for company.
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on May 18, 2020 4:19:48 GMT 1, Hey guys - looking for normal is the cruelest of all insults - cheers I bet met could help . Deepest Connor Brothers collection I’ve ever seen. I think he even has some works the Brothers haven’t seen themselves yet. Great image by the Connor Brothers.
Some members may be unaware it's been used by them more than once during their career. I actually own a copy of their first release of this image from 1960 — issued under the original title, Gutter Girl (shown below on the left).
Not sure why they later changed the wording to Normal is the Cruelest of Insults. Of course, the new text is fine. But, to my ears at least, it sounds a bit too much like a meme. Just personal preferences, I guess.
The real bonus for me as a collector is that, by Connor Brothers standards, their 1960 version is super-exclusive. At the time, I believe the number of copies they issued was limited to either thousands or tens of thousands. So this rarity of mine is definitely staying put.
Good luck with your search, Art Lover 1234. And sorry if this post sounds boastful; it can be difficult at times to contain my glee.
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Hey guys - looking for normal is the cruelest of all insults - cheers I bet met could help . Deepest Connor Brothers collection I’ve ever seen. I think he even has some works the Brothers haven’t seen themselves yet. Great image by the Connor Brothers. Some members may be unaware it's been used by them more than once during their career. I actually own a copy of their first release of this image from 1960 — issued under the original title, Gutter Girl (shown below on the left). Not sure why they later changed the wording to Normal is the Cruelest of Insults. Of course, the new text is fine. But, to my ears at least, it sounds a bit too much like a meme. Just personal preferences, I guess. The real bonus for me as a collector is that, by Con nor Brothers standards, their 1960 version is super-exclusive. At the time, I believe the number of copies they issued was limited to either thousands or tens of thousands. So this rarity of mine is definitely staying put. Good luck with your search, Art Lover 1234. And sorry if this post sounds boastful; it can be difficult at times to contain my glee. ![](https://i.imgur.com/GF1KIhk.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/4uWf3Xl.jpg)
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Mrs Banksy, by met on May 17, 2020 7:54:23 GMT 1, On a separate note, everyone should really check out the great things for sale by the eBayer, deco_matters:
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Food for thought:
What IF deco_matters really is Banksy?
What if this is another Banksy trick and that this is indeed Banksy's way to get more of his art into the hands of the common man?
Hmmm.....
Wouldn't it be just grand if this was real Banksy?
What an incredible opportunity for some folk, especially in miserable times like this!
On a separate note, everyone should really check out the great things for sale by the eB ayer, deco_matters: ![](https://i.imgur.com/ObdG4It.png?1) Food for thought: What IF deco_matters really is Ban ksy? What if this is another Ban ksy trick and that this is indeed Ban ksy's way to get more of his art into the hands of the common man? Hmmm..... Wouldn't it be just grand if this was real Ban ksy? What an incredible opportunity for some folk, especially in miserable times like this!
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Paul Insect Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on May 17, 2020 7:39:50 GMT 1, If the above posts relate to the regular edition of Clockwork Britain prints by Paul Insect, I don't believe all the information is correct. There was no thicker ink. The texture comes from an acrylic base or primer that was roughly applied to the paper before the image was screenprinted. [ Bäst has also used this technique.] Reference to "hand-finished" is misleading as well, because we're talking about the initial undercoat rather than any finishing that was carried out post-printing. These works on paper would best be described as mixed media prints. Note the edition size of 60 which, in 2012, referenced the Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II. thanks for the info, 4 out of the 5 sites i found say hand finished/embellished. One of them mentions the thicker ink. Share your sources please. www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=1114&edition_id=1519 www.artsy.net/artwork/paul-insect-clockwork-americawww.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/paul-insect-clockwork-america-detroit-463117689dosti.es/product/clockwork-america_16460i did find a french website that did mention the mixed media as technique. They all agree on the paper type 💓 It is more than fair of you to ask for sources.
But in this instance, I'm afraid my only source is careful examination with my own (reasonably-experienced) eyes.
I would put it to you that the information cited in your sources is misleading, if not false. What often happens with these things is that inaccuracies are taken from one site and just copied and pasted elsewhere, on the lazy assumption they're correct. The situation is akin to online misinformation or disinformation that acquires a veneer of truthfulness simply through repetition.
As an aside, the artist himself is pretty responsive when contacted. I'm fairly confident that, if asked, he would confirm what I mentioned in my previous post.
If the above posts relate to the regular edition of Clockwork Britain prints by Paul Insect, I don't believe all the information is correct. There was no thicker ink. The texture comes from an acrylic base or primer that was roughly applied to the paper before the image was screenprinted. [ Bäst has also used this technique.] Reference to "hand-finished" is misleading as well, because we're talking about the initial undercoat rather than any finishing that was carried out post-printing. These works on paper would best be described as mixed media prints. Note the edition size of 60 which, in 2012, referenced the Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II. thanks for the info, 4 out of the 5 sites i found say hand finished/embellished. One of them mentions the thicker ink. Share your sources please. www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=1114&edition_id=1519 www.artsy.net/artwork/paul-insect-clockwork-americawww.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/paul-insect-clockwork-america-detroit-463117689dosti.es/product/clockwork-america_16460i did find a french website that did mention the mixed media as technique. They all agree on the paper type 💓 It is more than fair of you to ask for sources. But in this instance, I'm afraid my only source is careful examination with my own (reasonably-experienced) eyes. I would put it to you that the information cited in your sources is misleading, if not false. What often happens with these things is that inaccuracies are taken from one site and just copied and pasted elsewhere, on the lazy assumption they're correct. The situation is akin to online misinformation or disinformation that acquires a veneer of truthfulness simply through repetition. As an aside, the artist himself is pretty responsive when contacted. I'm fairly confident that, if asked, he would confirm what I mentioned in my previous post.
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Mrs Banksy, by met on May 17, 2020 7:09:47 GMT 1, For this purpose, I'll set aside the embarrassment I share with Terry Fuckwitt about the fact it was deemed appropriate to start a thread promoting some chancer-parasite. And, for that matter, not even an interesting chancer-parasite.
A recurring problematic issue for me is disingenuous posts like the ones in red below:
Just the existence of this thread on this forum is fuckin embarrassing. You lot should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this nonsense. Food for thought:
What IF Mrs Banksy really is the real Mrs. Banksy?
Or what if this is another Banksy trick and that this is indeed Banksy's way to get more of his art into the hands of the common man?
Hmmm..... She isn't. It isn't. Please stop.
...But how do we know?
Wouldn't it be just grand if this was real Banksy?
What an incredible opportunity for some folk, especially in miserable times like this!
These are regrettable on a platform like the Urban Art Association, whose visitors will of course include less-knowledgeable, inexperienced and/or naive collectors.
What such posts do is encourage those collectors to indulge in wishful thinking. And self-delusion.
It is in effect being suggested to people, "Hey, those poor-calibre artworks might actually be connected to Banksy. Who knows? Maybe that rascal Banksy is behind all of this and everything will soon be revealed. Just how much did you say Banksy prints and originals now cost? Hmmm... It might be worthwhile opening your wallet, spending your money on these, and taking a punt."
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We've already seen this kind of shenanigan over the years. What immediately comes to my mind is the cynically-ambiguous marketing for Outis by Graffiti Prints, and efforts made to plug the likes of Ted Patrick and Gonefellow.
They are dishonest attempts to create false hope, mislead and exploit the uninformed.
For this purpose, I'll set aside the embarrassment I share with Terry Fuckwitt about the fact it was deemed appropriate to start a thread promoting some chancer-parasite. And, for that matter, not even an interesting chancer-parasite. A recurring problematic issue for me is disingenuous posts like the ones in red below: Just the existence of this thread on this forum is fuckin embarrassing. You lot should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this nonsense. Food for thought:
What IF Mrs Banksy really is the real Mrs. Banksy?
Or what if this is another Banksy trick and that this is indeed Banksy's way to get more of his art into the hands of the common man?
Hmmm..... She isn't. It isn't. Please stop.
...But how do we know?
Wouldn't it be just grand if this was real Banksy?
What an incredible opportunity for some folk, especially in miserable times like this!These are regrettable on a platform like the Ur ban Art Association, whose visitors will of course include less-knowledgeable, inexperienced and/or naive collectors. What such posts do is encourage those collectors to indulge in wishful thinking. And self-delusion. It is in effect being suggested to people, "Hey, those poor-calibre artworks might actually be connected to Banksy. Who knows? Maybe that rascal Banksy is behind all of this and everything will soon be revealed. Just how much did you say Banksy prints and originals now cost? Hmmm... It might be worthwhile opening your wallet, spending your money on these, and taking a punt."__________ We've already seen this kind of shenanigan over the years. What immediately comes to my mind is the cynically-ambiguous marketing for Outis by Gra ffiti Prints, and efforts made to plug the likes of Ted Patrick and Gonefellow. They are dishonest attempts to create false hope, mislead and exploit the uninformed.
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Paul Insect Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on May 17, 2020 3:52:50 GMT 1, Do they have the same textured finish that the APs have Unica? all of them do, this was accomplished by using thicker ink, in some descriptions you'll find handfinished which is also correct If the above posts relate to the regular edition of Clockwork Britain prints by Paul Insect, I don't believe all the information is correct.
There was no thicker ink. The texture comes from an acrylic base or primer that was roughly applied to the paper before the image was screenprinted. [Bäst has also used this technique.]
Reference to "hand-finished" is misleading as well, because we're talking about the initial undercoat rather than any finishing that was carried out post-printing.
These works on paper would best be described as mixed media prints.
Note the edition size of 60 which, in 2012, referenced the Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II.
Do they have the same textured finish that the APs have Unica? all of them do, this was accomplished by using thicker ink, in some descriptions you'll find handfinished which is also correct If the above posts relate to the regular edition of Clockwork Britain prints by Paul Insect, I don't believe all the information is correct. There was no thicker ink. The texture comes from an acrylic base or primer that was roughly applied to the paper before the image was screenprinted. [ Bäst has also used this technique.] Reference to "hand-finished" is misleading as well, because we're talking about the initial undercoat rather than any finishing that was carried out post-printing. These works on paper would best be described as mixed media prints. Note the edition size of 60 which, in 2012, referenced the Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II.
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Christies Post-War and Contemporary Art Day Sale, by met on May 16, 2020 11:48:45 GMT 1,
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Sweet image with universal appeal — one that speaks to everybody. At 214 x 152 cm, it's also an imposing statement piece.
If my home were decorated with a massive painting of two stickmen frigging each other off, I'd surely spend less time accessing niche-proclivity websites.
![](https://i.imgur.com/vCq58UQ.jpg) Sweet image with universal appeal — one that speaks to everybody. At 214 x 152 cm, it's also an imposing statement piece. If my home were decorated with a massive painting of two stickmen frigging each other off, I'd surely spend less time accessing niche-proclivity websites.
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Martin Whatson Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on May 15, 2020 11:12:36 GMT 1, Anyone know the cost of MW ‘ Riot Cop Dancer’ 60 x 60cm . Made in 2010 . Someone wants €3,000 do you think this is too much It’s on Spray painted on canvas Well, MW prices are rather high lately. 30x30 canvasses can go for € 2000. Depends on the image though. Since this is 4x bigger 3K seems okay, I guess. Only thing that really matters if you are willing to pay it. Thanks mate checkout the image ibb.co/K5j0Yq0ibb.co/HXTbjwBibb.co/2nfBhcs
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looks to have some condition issues
The condition issues seem tertiary or quaternary to other issues — like technical skill, strength of artistic eye, and conceptual innovativeness.
But to Martin Whatson's credit, subpar talent (especially when combined with his derivative ideas and "calling it in" formulaic approach) does give his paintings a certain recognition value:
Those blob faces and the Photoshop 'Posterize' effect can be identified as Whatson's work from a mile off.
Anyone know the cost of MW ‘ Riot Cop Dancer’ 60 x 60cm . Made in 2010 . Someone wants €3,000 do you think this is too much It’s on Spray painted on canvas Well, MW prices are rather high lately. 30x30 canvasses can go for € 2000. Depends on the image though. Since this is 4x bigger 3K seems okay, I guess. Only thing that really matters if you are willing to pay it. Thanks mate checkout the image ibb.co/K5j0Yq0ibb.co/HXTbjwBibb.co/2nfBhcs![](https://i.imgur.com/f0oMA1E.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/10IwzcA.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/FuVyiAQ.jpg?1) looks to have some condition issues The condition issues seem tertiary or quaternary to other issues — like technical skill, strength of artistic eye, and conceptual innovativeness. But to Martin Whatson's credit, subpar talent (especially when combined with his derivative ideas and "calling it in" formulaic approach) does give his paintings a certain recognition value: Those blob faces and the Photoshop 'Posterize' effect can be identified as What son's work from a mile off.
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 25, 2020 4:39:05 GMT 1, When you get a moment, Yes its Me, I look forward to hearing your further thoughts.
Besides the wider benefit of keeping open the lines of communication, there is so much more I feel I could say.
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It would also be remiss not to acknowledge your two PMs. Those succinct subject titles were very exciting to read. Who could have imagined, for instance, that the second-person personal pronoun was capable of conveying such drama?
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As personal messages, rest assured their contents will remain private. Our little secret, to the grave.
Going forward, however, I would suggest all of our written communications be restricted to forum posts visible to everyone.
Please note this isn't meant to sound ungrateful. It's just that the connections tying you to the thief and fraudster with the eBay user ID, supremett, are ultimately a matter of public interest.
When you get a moment, Yes its Me, I look forward to hearing your further thoughts. Besides the wider benefit of keeping open the lines of communication, there is so much more I feel I could say. __________ It would also be remiss not to acknowledge your two PMs. Those succinct subject titles were very exciting to read. Who could have imagined, for instance, that the second-person personal pronoun was capable of conveying such drama? ![](https://i.imgur.com/FEutAH6.jpg) As personal messages, rest assured their contents will remain private. Our little secret, to the grave. Going forward, however, I would suggest all of our written communications be restricted to forum posts visible to everyone. Please note this isn't meant to sound ungrateful. It's just that the connections tying you to the thief and fraudster with the eB ay user ID, supremett, are ultimately a matter of public interest.
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Apr 25, 2020 1:15:48 GMT 1, [...] Focusing on US copyright law (the most relevant here), it's unclear to me how any of us could possibly know whether Maguire's image has retained copyright. I'm assuming protection was secured upon first publication in 1963, i.e. that Maguire did not register the image himself before then. An initial 28-year term will have begun on that date, continuing until 31 December 1991. For the image to have then received a second term of 67 years, a renewal registration will have had to be made during the final year of the first term. [The work's original date of publication precluded automatic renewal.] NB: If a renewal registration was not made in time (very possible, since Maguire was about 70 years old), my understanding is that the copyright will have expired on 31 December 1991, with the image thereafter entering the public domain. See Duration of Copyright – Works Already Under Statutory Protection before 1978 – Mandatory Renewal:www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf It looks like you are correct that the painting was done or the 1963 book cover and the person who bought the original painting made a mistake as to when it was painted. From the R A Maguire Cover Art website: "Any cover art published from 1963 on is protected by the Copyright Law of 1978. The rights to all the original images on this site are available.
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When Lynn Maguire refers to ip theft and publicly names the Connor Brothers. She is accusing them of ip theft. IP theft is according to the FBI. " Intellectual property theft involves robbing people or companies of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions—known as “intellectual property”—which can include everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies, music, and software"www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft I think there are two types of copyright protection. One is for any original art that is fixed in a tangible medium and published. The other is copyright regarding book covers. "Works published after 1923, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was created, but not published, before 1978, the copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years." fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/faqs/copyright-basics/R A Maguire died on February 26, 2005. Normally with art as in paintings, drawings etc They are automatically copyright protected for 70 years after the artist died. R A Maguire was an artist who made original paintings. His art is copyright. He granted a licence to publishers to use his art on their book covers. None of the publishers were called Conner Brothers or whatever the name of the gallery that sells their crap is called. It's amazing really that Lynn Maguire set up a site to allow people to buy prints etc of her fathers art and also allowed people to use inexpensive licensed images. Did everything correctly and along come some junkies with a coke habit who decided to steal the images instead.
I don't completely follow what you're saying.
My own comment about intellectual property was a technical legal point:
If it were the case that a renewal registration wasn't made circa 1991 with the United States Copyright Office, then this nurse image by Robert Maguire would be outside of US copyright protection — meaning that subsequent appropriation of the image would not constitute IP theft under US copyright law.
The above is a direct application of the relevant US statutes*. [In addition, a default assumption for me is that, when they're referred to by laymen, legal terms like "IP theft" are being used simply in a colloquial sense.]
The issues I have with output by the Connor Brothers are manifold, but unrelated to legislation.
*If interested in the source legislation, see the Copyright Act of 1976 (US Code, Title 17, Section 304(a)) — specifically the version in effect prior to the enactment date of the Copyright Renewal Act of 1992. It is the older version of Section 304(a) that applies to copyrights secured before 1 January 1964 (cf. Section 102(g) of the Copyright Renewal Act of 1992).
[...] Focusing on US copyright law (the most relevant here), it's unclear to me how any of us could possibly know whether Maguire's image has retained copyright. I'm assuming protection was secured upon first publication in 1963, i.e. that Maguire did not register the image himself before then. An initial 28-year term will have begun on that date, continuing until 31 December 1991. For the image to have then received a second term of 67 years, a renewal registration will have had to be made during the final year of the first term. [The work's original date of publication precluded automatic renewal.] NB: If a renewal registration was not made in time (very possible, since Maguire was about 70 years old), my understanding is that the copyright will have expired on 31 December 1991, with the image thereafter entering the public domain. See Duration of Copyright – Works Already Under Statutory Protection before 1978 – Mandatory Renewal:www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf It looks like you are correct that the painting was done or the 1963 book cover and the person who bought the original painting made a mistake as to when it was painted. From the R A Maguire Cover Art website: "Any cover art published from 1963 on is protected by the Copyright Law of 1978. The rights to all the original images on this site are available.
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When Lynn Maguire refers to ip theft and publicly names the Connor Brothers. She is accusing them of ip theft. IP theft is according to the FBI. " Intellectual property theft involves robbing people or companies of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions—known as “intellectual property”—which can include everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies, music, and software"www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft I think there are two types of copyright protection. One is for any original art that is fixed in a tangible medium and published. The other is copyright regarding book covers. "Works published after 1923, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was created, but not published, before 1978, the copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years." fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/faqs/copyright-basics/R A Maguire died on February 26, 2005. Normally with art as in paintings, drawings etc They are automatically copyright protected for 70 years after the artist died. R A Maguire was an artist who made original paintings. His art is copyright. He granted a licence to publishers to use his art on their book covers. None of the publishers were called Conner Brothers or whatever the name of the gallery that sells their crap is called. It's amazing really that Lynn Maguire set up a site to allow people to buy prints etc of her fathers art and also allowed people to use inexpensive licensed images. Did everything correctly and along come some junkies with a coke habit who decided to steal the images instead. I don't completely follow what you're saying. My own comment about intellectual property was a technical legal point: If it were the case that a renewal registration wasn't made circa 1991 with the United States Copyright Office, then this nurse image by Robert Maguire would be outside of US copyright protection — meaning that subsequent appropriation of the image would not constitute IP theft under US copyright law. The above is a direct application of the relevant US statutes*. [In addition, a default assumption for me is that, when they're referred to by laymen, legal terms like "IP theft" are being used simply in a colloquial sense.]The issues I have with output by the Connor Brothers are manifold, but unrelated to legislation. * If interested in the source legislation, see the Copyright Act of 1976 (US Code, Title 17, Section 304(a)) — specifically the version in effect prior to the enactment date of the Copyright Renewal Act of 1992. It is the older version of Section 304(a) that applies to copyrights secured before 1 January 1964 (cf. Section 102(g) of the Copyright Renewal Act of 1992).
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Apr 23, 2020 5:23:51 GMT 1, "This piece was painted for a 1971 reissue of an old romance novel written in 1957 and first published under the Arcadia House imprint, then later under MacFadden Books (the last printing for which this painting was rendered). The 70’s saw the large scale reissue of paperbacks originally issued by Belmont Books, MacFadden Books, and Lancer Books," www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=729337 Painted in 1971 and protected by US copyright and international copyright laws.
The date information on your source page is incorrect.
Although I'm unsure of when Robert Maguire created his painting, it was no later than 1963. That's the year Macfadden Books first published the image on the cover of Nurse in the Tropics.
Confusion might exist because Macfadden Books used the image over the course of eight or nine years — from 1963 until 1971. The different editions have identification numbers partly corresponding to their cover price:
#40-109, 1963 - cover price: 40¢ #50-347, 1967 - cover price: 50¢ #60-479, 1971 - cover price: 60¢
Here is the 1963 version (#40-109):
![](https://i.imgur.com/llRTbVw.jpg?1)
Search for "Nurse in the Tropics" in this bibliography for author Peggy Gaddis / Peggy Dern: www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/gaddis.htm
See also Illustration magazine (Issue 3, April 2002) – The Magic of Robert Maguire (page 18, middle column, under 'MacFadden Books: 1961–1965'): epdf.pub/illustration-vol-n-3.html
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Focusing on US copyright law (the most relevant here), it's unclear to me how any of us could possibly know whether Maguire's image has retained copyright.
I'm assuming protection was secured upon first publication in 1963, i.e. that Maguire did not register the image himself before then. An initial 28-year term will have begun on that date, continuing until 31 December 1991.
For the image to have then received a second term of 67 years, a renewal registration will have had to be made during the final year of the first term. [The work's original date of publication precluded automatic renewal.]
NB: If a renewal registration was not made in time (very possible, since Maguire was about 70 years old), my understanding is that the copyright will have expired on 31 December 1991, with the image thereafter entering the public domain.
See Duration of Copyright – Works Already Under Statutory Protection before 1978 – Mandatory Renewal: www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf
"This piece was painted for a 1971 reissue of an old romance novel written in 1957 and first published under the Arcadia House imprint, then later under MacFadden Books (the last printing for which this painting was rendered). The 70’s saw the large scale reissue of paperbacks originally issued by Belmont Books, MacFadden Books, and Lancer Books," www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=729337 Painted in 1971 and protected by US copyright and international copyright laws. The date information on your source page is incorrect. Although I'm unsure of when Robert Maguire created his painting, it was no later than 1963. That's the year Macfadden Books first published the image on the cover of Nurse in the Tropics. Confusion might exist because Macfadden Books used the image over the course of eight or nine years — from 1963 until 1971. The different editions have identification numbers partly corresponding to their cover price: #40-109, 1963 - cover price: 40¢ #50-347, 1967 - cover price: 50¢ #60-479, 1971 - cover price: 60¢ Here is the 1963 version (#40-109): Search for "Nurse in the Tropics" in this bibliography for author Peggy Gaddis / Peggy Dern: www.philsp.com/homeville/KRJ/gaddis.htmSee also Illustration magazine (Issue 3, April 2002) – The Magic of Robert Maguire (page 18, middle column, under 'MacFadden Books: 1961–1965'): epdf.pub/illustration-vol-n-3.html____________________ Focusing on US copyright law (the most relevant here), it's unclear to me how any of us could possibly know whether Maguire's image has retained copyright. I'm assuming protection was secured upon first publication in 1963, i.e. that Maguire did not register the image himself before then. An initial 28-year term will have begun on that date, continuing until 31 December 1991. For the image to have then received a second term of 67 years, a renewal registration will have had to be made during the final year of the first term. [The work's original date of publication precluded automatic renewal.] NB: If a renewal registration was not made in time (very possible, since Maguire was about 70 years old), my understanding is that the copyright will have expired on 31 December 1991, with the image thereafter entering the public domain. See Duration of Copyright – Works Already Under Statutory Protection before 1978 – Mandatory Renewal:www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 22, 2020 22:44:52 GMT 1, Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another. And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive.
For my daily exercise I stepped out in search of pizzazz — simply to realise that pizzazziness was already within me.
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You may recall my previous reference to the overlap between items in your sale post of 8 October 2019 (now strangely deleted), and those currently being sold on eBay by the thief and fraudster, supremett.
If it were just two or three pieces, that could be dismissed as a fluke, even the Gavin Turk paper cup (despite its small edition size of 50, dating back to 2014).
But what are your thoughts on there being multiple identical items?
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Earlier today, I took another look at your sale post — only this time comparing it against completed eBay sales for which feedback was received by supremett.
Surprisingly enough, there were a couple of further cases of overlap:
- Anarchy Soldier (2012) by Mr. Brainwash; and - Sunset (x2) (2015) by Dran.
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Would you call this a freaky coincidence?
I suppose it could also be divine intervention. If so, then presumably from Mercury.
Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another. And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive. For my daily exercise I stepped out in search of pizzazz — simply to realise that pizzazziness was already within me. __________ You may recall my previous reference to the overlap between items in your sale post of 8 October 2019 (now strangely deleted), and those currently being sold on eB ay by the thief and fraudster, supremett. If it were just two or three pieces, that could be dismissed as a fluke, even the Gavin Turk paper cup (despite its small edition size of 50, dating back to 2014). But what are your thoughts on there being multiple identical items? __________ Earlier today, I took another look at your sale post — only this time comparing it against completed eBay sales for which feedback was received by supremett. Surprisingly enough, there were a couple of further cases of overlap: - Anarchy Soldier (2012) by Mr. Brainwash; and - Sunset (x2) (2015) by Dran. YESITSME SUPREMETT![](https://i.imgur.com/JZPTTHG.jpg?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/uQCgz8z.jpg?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/h7dspf4.jpg?1) Would you call this a freaky coincidence? I suppose it could also be divine intervention. If so, then presumably from Mercury.
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 22, 2020 16:11:21 GMT 1, If this were simply a game between two people, I'd be experiencing discomfort now. To continue would be unsportsmanlike. When you've got a gun, and the other chap shows up with a butterknife and a limp, it's just not cricket.
But this isn't really a game for me. It is more a case of feeling obligated to step up, and to act on behalf of fellow art enthusiasts and collectors.
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In the spirit of candour, from the very start of the exchange, my intention has been to hold back and allow it to become a drawn-out affair. The resulting time lag might even elicit further denials from Yes its Me — as evidence continues to be drip-fed, tying him to the supremett eBay account that was recently involved in fraud.
Although a single knockout blow would have been more efficient, the 1000-cuts approach (which also allows for a spirit to be crushed by increment) is arguably a greater deterrent to potential thieves of the future.
If this were simply a game between two people, I'd be experiencing discomfort now. To continue would be unsportsmanlike. When you've got a gun, and the other chap shows up with a butterknife and a limp, it's just not cricket. But this isn't really a game for me. It is more a case of feeling obligated to step up, and to act on behalf of fellow art enthusiasts and collectors. __________ In the spirit of candour, from the very start of the exchange, my intention has been to hold back and allow it to become a drawn-out affair. The resulting time lag might even elicit further denials from Yes its Me — as evidence continues to be drip-fed, tying him to the supremett eB ay account that was recently involved in fraud. Although a single knockout blow would have been more efficient, the 1000-cuts approach (which also allows for a spirit to be crushed by increment) is arguably a greater deterrent to potential thieves of the future.
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 22, 2020 15:56:46 GMT 1, Met, this is an interesting and very welcome post. But I fear you may have overlooked a possible scenario. As has been established over a number of years, Leon / supremett is a serial liar and a criminal mastermind. Can we rule out the possibility that he's moved on from the theft of tangible objects, and may now be trying to steal poor yesitsme's identity? By studying his habits and mimicking his use of language, could this be an attempt to pin current and future crimes on an unsuspecting member of this community? If this is the case, clearly yesitsme is the victim here, and the forum should be offering their support at this difficult time. Perhaps Silky would consider a fundraiser?
Excellent point, thank you.
Will need to give it serious thought.
It is indeed entirely plausible that this member's forum password was "password" or "banksy".
Met, this is an interesting and very welcome post. But I fear you may have overlooked a possible scenario. As has been established over a number of years, Leon / supremett is a serial liar and a criminal mastermind. Can we rule out the possibility that he's moved on from the theft of tangible objects, and may now be trying to steal poor yesitsme's identity? By studying his habits and mimicking his use of language, could this be an attempt to pin current and future crimes on an unsuspecting member of this community? If this is the case, clearly yesitsme is the victim here, and the forum should be offering their support at this difficult time. Perhaps Silky would consider a fundraiser? Excellent point, thank you. Will need to give it serious thought. It is indeed entirely plausible that this member's forum password was "password" or "banksy".
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 22, 2020 15:07:46 GMT 1, Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another.
And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same
I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive.
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Damian Hirst evening standard Newspaper. Condition is New. Dispatched with Royal Mail 1st Class.
Percentage will go to the NHS
And the rest go to Feeding the homeless people
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As a lover of language, I take natural pleasure in breaking down, assessing, even admiring, the ways different people communicate.
Let's have a glance at your two most recent forum posts, and compare them to the brief eBay description by supremett for the sale of 14 copies of the Evening Standard.
What is of interest with the writing styles is that the two of you share the following:
(i) a quirky approach to grammar, sentence structure and tone;
(ii) a tendency to start the occasional sentence with the conjunction, "And";
(iii) an intermittent disregard for punctuation, most noticeably with the random omission of full stops; and
(iv) a penchant for inserting the odd upper-case letter into your text for no apparent reason.
Each one of these features is inconclusive when viewed on its own. In aggregate, however, they do become more compelling.
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The above is but one illustration. Other specific examples could be listed for cumulative impact, but I suspect members here have already understood the point.
For many, this will be a dry, overly-technical exercise. So my concern is that eyes will glaze over if I continue discussing the writing-style similarities between your forum posts and the eBay listing descriptions by supremett.
People enjoy pizzazz, and this kind of analysis is hardly pizzazzy.
I am therefore going to go now, find some pizzazz, and come back later.
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In the meantime, a question for you. Your answer may help to rule out a competing theory I've been mulling over:
If you and supremett are not the same person, is it possible you were both taught at school by the same English teacher (perhaps a teacher who possessed a wonderfully-mischievous sense of humour)?
Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another.
And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same
I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive. ![](https://i.imgur.com/LvfstQ5.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/C0OAR97.png?1) Damian Hirst evening standard Newspaper. Condition is New. Dispatched with Royal Mail 1st Class.
Percentage will go to the NHS
And the rest go to Feeding the homeless people____________________ As a lover of language, I take natural pleasure in breaking down, assessing, even admiring, the ways different people communicate. Let's have a glance at your two most recent forum posts, and compare them to the brief eB ay description by supremett for the sale of 14 copies of the Evening Standard. What is of interest with the writing styles is that the two of you share the following: (i) a quirky approach to grammar, sentence structure and tone; (ii) a tendency to start the occasional sentence with the conjunction, "And"; (iii) an intermittent disregard for punctuation, most noticeably with the random omission of full stops; and (iv) a penchant for inserting the odd upper-case letter into your text for no apparent reason. Each one of these features is inconclusive when viewed on its own. In aggregate, however, they do become more compelling. __________ The above is but one illustration. Other specific examples could be listed for cumulative impact, but I suspect members here have already understood the point. For many, this will be a dry, overly-technical exercise. So my concern is that eyes will glaze over if I continue discussing the writing-style similarities between your forum posts and the eB ay listing descriptions by supremett. People enjoy pizzazz, and this kind of analysis is hardly pizzazzy. I am therefore going to go now, find some pizzazz, and come back later. __________ In the meantime, a question for you. Your answer may help to rule out a competing theory I've been mulling over: If you and supremett are not the same person, is it possible you were both taught at school by the same English teacher (perhaps a teacher who possessed a wonderfully-mischievous sense of humour)?
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 22, 2020 14:36:11 GMT 1, Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another. And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive.
During discussions where opposing viewpoints are held, I've often found it productive to seek out the common ground.
In this instance, it's reassuring that our opinions are aligned on at least one issue: the fact supremett "seems to be an easy target".
From my perspective, it was recidivist thieving which earned him such status. This status was reconfirmed yet again in February 2020, when he defrauded a buyer on eBay of £1,650.00 (+ postage) by selling a patently-fake Banksy rat sign described as "Banksy Original Signed No Ball Games"*.
Would you agree this is what makes you supremett an easy target?
I'm also keen to learn where theft and fraud find themselves positioned on your Karma-meter. What kind of "energy" is put "out there" when someone chooses to engage in behaviour that is dishonest and causes harm to other people?
Hello met or Metropolitan i im sorry to disappoint you but I am not the individual that you refer to. I was simply pointing out that somebody is doing some charitable work at this a sad times. I personally lost a friend to Coronavirus. So I think we need to all pull together and help one another. And as for the individual you refer to I do know him as i’m sure many other Forum members do. I have nothing negative to say about him other than he seems to be an easy target. punching bag For keyboard warriors. And I’m sure anybody else that’s had any dealings with him tell you the same I personally believe in Karma And if you put bad energy out there that’s exactly what you would receive. During discussions where opposing viewpoints are held, I've often found it productive to seek out the common ground. In this instance, it's reassuring that our opinions are aligned on at least one issue: the fact supremett "seems to be an easy target". From my perspective, it was recidivist thieving which earned him such status. This status was reconfirmed yet again in February 2020, when he defrauded a buyer on eB ay of £1,650.00 (+ postage) by selling a patently-fake Ban ksy rat sign described as "Banksy Original Signed No Ball Games"*. Would you agree this is what makes you supremett an easy target? I'm also keen to learn where theft and fraud find themselves positioned on your Karma-meter. What kind of "energy" is put "out there" when someone chooses to engage in behaviour that is dishonest and causes harm to other people?
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 21, 2020 3:23:50 GMT 1, This is a note for anybody who is (quite reasonably) concerned that I may be recklessly impugning the character of a fellow member — in this instance, perhaps without sufficient evidence of the link between Yes its Me and the supremett eBay account.
First, it's worth mentioning that I make serious efforts to be careful when calling someone out. A sense of duty forces me to conduct responsible levels of due diligence and verification. I am a fact-checker, by nature and by training, who errs on the side of caution.
Second, while the threads I previously linked to contain some circumstantial evidence (including deleted posts that were helpfully quoted beforehand by other members), there are multiple other instances that have tied Yes its Me to supremett. They include (but are not limited to) now-deleted posts and old sale listings no longer visible on eBay. I've been keeping a casual eye on these two accounts for years. The dishonest person behind them does cover his tracks now and then — but he is more of a boob than a criminal mastermind.
Third, in addition to considering the evidence in the threads referred to above, members are able to see for themselves both the items posted on the forum by Yes its Me on 8 October 2019, and the items currently being sold on eBay by supremett. Everyone can therefore judge for themselves whether the overlap is damning or merely coincidental:
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urbanartassociation.com/thread/160059/tracy-emin-damien-hirst-banksy
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This is a note for anybody who is (quite reasonably) concerned that I may be recklessly impugning the character of a fellow member — in this instance, perhaps without sufficient evidence of the link between Yes its Me and the supremett eB ay account. First, it's worth mentioning that I make serious efforts to be careful when calling someone out. A sense of duty forces me to conduct responsible levels of due diligence and verification. I am a fact-checker, by nature and by training, who errs on the side of caution. Second, while the threads I previously linked to contain some circumstantial evidence (including deleted posts that were helpfully quoted beforehand by other members), there are multiple other instances that have tied Yes its Me to supremett. They include (but are not limited to) now-deleted posts and old sale listings no longer visible on eB ay. I've been keeping a casual eye on these two accounts for years. The dishonest person behind them does cover his tracks now and then — but he is more of a boob than a criminal mastermind. Third, in addition to considering the evidence in the threads referred to above, members are able to see for themselves both the items posted on the forum by Yes its Me on 8 October 2019, and the items currently being sold on eB ay by supremett. Everyone can therefore judge for themselves whether the overlap is damning or merely coincidental: YESITSME urbanartassociation.com/thread/160059/tracy-emin-damien-hirst-banksySUPREMETT![](https://i.imgur.com/Cjt84uM.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/9IhQVAM.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/5mU43Ub.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/4Hg8hmd.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/f1hb2Tc.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/034UVeT.png?1) www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_ssn=supremett
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 21, 2020 0:38:17 GMT 1, Taking inspiration from a famous Louis Brandeis quote ("Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."), I'll continue further:
1. Forum members who've been around a few years may recall the shenanigans by Yes its Me / supremett in relation to the original Banksquiat near the Barbican in 2017*.
2. They might know he was kicked out of Pejac's London show in 2016*.
3. And that he was caught by Pure Evil trying to steal a print in 2014*.
4. Those who are inclined can also Google "Banksy Sperm Alarm" to see the articles that pop up from 2012.
Taking inspiration from a famous Louis Brandeis quote ( "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."), I'll continue further: 1. Forum members who've been around a few years may recall the shenanigans by Yes its Me / supremett in relation to the original Banksquiat near the Barbican in 2017*. 2. They might know he was kicked out of Pejac's London show in 2016*. 3. And that he was caught by Pure Evil trying to steal a print in 2014*. 4. Those who are inclined can also Google "Banksy Sperm Alarm" to see the articles that pop up from 2012.
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Damien Hirst H7 • Rainbow & Heart, by met on Apr 20, 2020 23:20:23 GMT 1,
Are you still referring to yourself in the third person, Leon / supremett?
It's entirely your call, of course.
But in the interest of consistency, do consider changing your forum username to 'yesitshim'.
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10% going to NHS Charities Together is fair enough.
Plus, after the balance is paid to you by eBay, I see you've also given a further undertaking:
"And the rest go to Feeding the homeless people"
Query:
Assuming this further commitment is genuine, would it not have made more sense to set up your listing so that the larger amount of 90% went directly to a homeless charity — rather than via your PayPal account?
Are you still referring to yourself in the third person, Leon / supremett? It's entirely your call, of course. But in the interest of consistency, do consider changing your forum username to 'yesitshim'. ![](https://i.imgur.com/mWFkJKs.png?1) ![](https://i.imgur.com/6zescVg.png?1) 10% going to NHS Charities Together is fair enough. Plus, after the balance is paid to you by eB ay, I see you've also given a further undertaking: "And the rest go to Feeding the homeless people"Query: Assuming this further commitment is genuine, would it not have made more sense to set up your listing so that the larger amount of 90% went directly to a homeless charity — rather than via your PayPal account?
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by met on Apr 19, 2020 20:33:37 GMT 1, I was there a few months ago. The canvas is a high quality print with hand finished elements. That’s what the information read. However, it was so well done I could not distinguish print from paint. This might suggest it’s a large hand finished print. I don’t think that’s the case. Thanks. You know what it could be? - I used to do this in art school. I’d blow up a collage -created in photoshop - on the photocopier and glue it on to a board. Then I’d paint right over it. The photocopy would be completely covered by the paint by the time i was finished. It was a way to streamline my illustration projects. Perhaps it was printed on canvas as a guide and then completely painted over. The same thing has occurred to me; but I do not know.
I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece.
BRISTOL MUSEUM
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SOTHEBY'S
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www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l19024/lot.28.html
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Of continued interest to me is the discrepancy in descriptions of the artistic medium for Devolved Parliament, between:
(a) the Bristol Museum label ("Oil paint and digital print"); and
(b) the Sotheby's, London lot description ("oil on canvas").
Even more so with the auction-record price that was achieved in October 2019 for a piece by Banksy: £9,879,500 (including buyer's premium)
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Bearing in mind previous comments about the surface flatness of Devolved Parliament (along with the fact we aren't talking about an artist with a process and concept like Glenn Brown), I'm inclined to believe the medium as stated by the Bristol Museum is the more accurate one.
Sotheby's, along with the consignor, also had a vested interest in the work simply being described as an oil on canvas — a traditional medium highly regarded by the art world.
Moreover, both Sotheby's and the consignor will have known that, if any part of the auction-lot description were going to cheapen the artwork in the minds of seasoned collectors, it would be the words "digital print", i.e. inkjet.
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What matters in this instance is the extent to which the exclusion of any reference to inkjet could have affected the separate assessments made by each of the auction bidders at Sotheby's, London:
(i) their personal view on the artistic value of Devolved Parliament, and therefore its broader importance as a work of fine art; and
(ii) their perception of the esteem in which Devolved Parliament was held by fellow collectors, institutions and/or the wider public.
With respect to (ii) above, it is indeed collective perception at any given time that helps to determine the market value of an artwork.
Likewise, when the artistic and cultural significance of a famous piece is elevated in the eyes of others, there is a corresponding rise in the social cachet that comes with owning it. We then enter the realms of vanity and ego — psychological factors that are often catalysts for less-than-rational decision-making.
The argument can certainly be made that a large oil on canvas with high-recognition value will confer greater prestige upon its owner than if the same piece were instead described as "oil paint and digital print". This might in turn increase the artwork's value to potential buyers, and therefore influence the levels to which they would be willing to bid at auction.
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Does anyone here know for certain the true medium of Devolved Parliament?
Was the Bristol Museum label correct?
If so, then it is conceivable that the omission from the Sotheby's lot description of just two words ("digital print") may have had a material impact — perhaps even a seven-figure impact — on the £8,500,000 hammer price at last year's auction.
I was there a few months ago. The canvas is a high quality print with hand finished elements. That’s what the information read. However, it was so well done I could not distinguish print from paint. This might suggest it’s a large hand finished print. I don’t think that’s the case. Thanks. You know what it could be? - I used to do this in art school. I’d blow up a collage -created in photoshop - on the photocopier and glue it on to a board. Then I’d paint right over it. The photocopy would be completely covered by the paint by the time i was finished. It was a way to streamline my illustration projects. Perhaps it was printed on canvas as a guide and then completely painted over. The same thing has occurred to me; but I do not know. I went to visit on 3rd Sept as I wasn't able to go 10yrs ago. It's described as 'Oil paint and digital print, 2009' It's a stunning piece. BRISTOL MUSEUM SOTHEBY'S![](https://i.imgur.com/fZJyP8w.png?1) www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l19024/lot.28.html____________________ Of continued interest to me is the discrepancy in descriptions of the artistic medium for Devolved Parliament, between: (a) the Bristol Museum label ( "Oil paint and digital print"); and (b) the Sotheby's, London lot description ( "oil on canvas"). Even more so with the auction-record price that was achieved in October 2019 for a piece by Banksy: £9,879,500 (including buyer's premium) __________ Bearing in mind previous comments about the surface flatness of Devolved Parliament (along with the fact we aren't talking about an artist with a process and concept like Glenn Brown), I'm inclined to believe the medium as stated by the Bristol Museum is the more accurate one. Sotheby's, along with the consignor, also had a vested interest in the work simply being described as an oil on canvas — a traditional medium highly regarded by the art world. Moreover, both Sotheby's and the consignor will have known that, if any part of the auction-lot description were going to cheapen the artwork in the minds of seasoned collectors, it would be the words "digital print", i.e. inkjet. __________ What matters in this instance is the extent to which the exclusion of any reference to inkjet could have affected the separate assessments made by each of the auction bidders at Sotheby's, London: (i) their personal view on the artistic value of Devolved Parliament, and therefore its broader importance as a work of fine art; and (ii) their perception of the esteem in which Devolved Parliament was held by fellow collectors, institutions and/or the wider public. With respect to (ii) above, it is indeed collective perception at any given time that helps to determine the market value of an artwork. Likewise, when the artistic and cultural significance of a famous piece is elevated in the eyes of others, there is a corresponding rise in the social cachet that comes with owning it. We then enter the realms of vanity and ego — psychological factors that are often catalysts for less-than-rational decision-making. The argument can certainly be made that a large oil on canvas with high-recognition value will confer greater prestige upon its owner than if the same piece were instead described as "oil paint and digital print". This might in turn increase the artwork's value to potential buyers, and therefore influence the levels to which they would be willing to bid at auction. __________ Does anyone here know for certain the true medium of Devolved Parliament? Was the Bristol Museum label correct? If so, then it is conceivable that the omission from the Sotheby's lot description of just two words ( "digital print") may have had a material impact — perhaps even a seven-figure impact — on the £8,500,000 hammer price at last year's auction.
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Recommended Art Books, by met on Apr 18, 2020 19:33:17 GMT 1, Just a thought, but do like a good book, and not sure if there is a thread on here?
Thinking just a thread on anything book related?
Seeking a book? Selling a book? Recommending a book? Want recommendations on decent books on particular artists? Book releases?
Thinking if they were all in one place, i.e. this thread, would be easier to find?
As mentioned, just a thought, is this a good idea?
I’m sure there’s a thread, or at least used to be. Remember coach posting a lot of good stuff. Nice one Godsultimatenoise, never seen that thread before, but exactly what I was after, or trying to create. Is it best to keep that one going? I don't want to duplicate anything, just wanted something quite 'visible' so that anyone has any info on books, buying/selling/recommending, its easily available. Any help much appreciated, still a bit of a Numpty on this site, and will confess I even had to google LIITA when I saw it on a Banksy thread today - still a lot to learn.
The ProBoards search function can be frustrating. I've discovered it often doesn't give complete results when searching for a specific thread or post.
Nevertheless, when trying to locate threads, the following may be helpful:
1. Type your keyword(s) in the 'where the thread title contains' box.
2. So the results are more manageable in number, before pressing 'Search', click 'display results as threads'. [This second part can make a world of difference, and it eluded me for years.]
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Regarding book recommendations, here are some other threads I was able to find, using "art book" as the keywords (and later just trying "book"):
Best books, docs and Essays on the history and emergency of, started by mrred11 in June 2019 (1 page; 14 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/158265/best-books-essays-history-emergency
Show us YOUR - Latest ART BOOK BUY, started by justsomedude in May 2019 (1 page; 16 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/157502/show-latest-art-book-buy
What is your favourite art book?, started by ha in July 2017 (1 page; 26 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/146510/favourite-art-book
200+ Free Art Books Are Now Available to Download from the Guggenheim, started by dreadnatty in May 2017 (1 page; 1 post) urbanartassociation.com/thread/145171/200-free-books-available-download
Art books to read?, started by [Deleted] in March 2017 (1 page; 12 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/144434/art-books-read
What's your favourite book?, started by DB in October 2016 (1 page; 10 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/141702/favourite-book
Book of the Week, started by Feral Things in February 2016 (7 pages; 184 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/136706/book-week
Even More Bargain Art Books, started by Coach in March 2015 (1 page; 2 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/127656/more-bargain-art-books
More bargain art books, started by Coach in January 2015 (1 page; 2 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/125505/more-bargain-art-books
Art books, started by Dungle in February 2014 (1 page; 24 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/114032/art-books
New Virtual Library Offers over 250 Art Books for Free Download, started by dreadnatty in January 2014 (1 page; 1 post) urbanartassociation.com/thread/112992/virtual-library-offers-books-downl
Cheap good art books, started by Coach in March 2012 (1 page; 8 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/94852/cheap-good-art-books
Art books, started by Lizz Brady in December 2011 (3 pages; 72 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/90172/art-books
Just a thought, but do like a good book, and not sure if there is a thread on here?
Thinking just a thread on anything book related?
Seeking a book? Selling a book? Recommending a book? Want recommendations on decent books on particular artists? Book releases?
Thinking if they were all in one place, i.e. this thread, would be easier to find?
As mentioned, just a thought, is this a good idea?
I’m sure there’s a thread, or at least used to be. Remember coach posting a lot of good stuff. Nice one Godsultimatenoise, never seen that thread before, but exactly what I was after, or trying to create. Is it best to keep that one going? I don't want to duplicate anything, just wanted something quite 'visible' so that anyone has any info on books, buying/selling/recommending, its easily available. Any help much appreciated, still a bit of a Numpty on this site, and will confess I even had to google LIITA when I saw it on a Banksy thread today - still a lot to learn. The ProBoards search function can be frustrating. I've discovered it often doesn't give complete results when searching for a specific thread or post. Nevertheless, when trying to locate threads, the following may be helpful: 1. Type your keyword(s) in the 'where the thread title contains' box. 2. So the results are more manageable in number, before pressing 'Search', click 'display results as threads'. [This second part can make a world of difference, and it eluded me for years.] ![](https://i.imgur.com/x5EVTef.jpg) ![](https://i.imgur.com/E9qaCYR.jpg) __________ Regarding book recommendations, here are some other threads I was able to find, using "art book" as the keywords (and later just trying "book"): Best books, docs and Essays on the history and emergency of, started by mrred11 in June 2019 (1 page; 14 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/158265/best-books-essays-history-emergencyShow us YOUR - Latest ART BOOK BUY, started by justsomedude in May 2019 (1 page; 16 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/157502/show-latest-art-book-buyWhat is your favourite art book?, started by ha in July 2017 (1 page; 26 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/146510/favourite-art-book200+ Free Art Books Are Now Available to Download from the Guggenheim, started by dreadnatty in May 2017 (1 page; 1 post) urbanartassociation.com/thread/145171/200-free-books-available-downloadArt books to read?, started by [ Deleted] in March 2017 (1 page; 12 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/144434/art-books-readWhat's your favourite book?, started by DB in October 2016 (1 page; 10 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/141702/favourite-bookBook of the Week, started by Feral Things in February 2016 (7 pages; 184 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/136706/book-weekEven More Bargain Art Books, started by Coach in March 2015 (1 page; 2 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/127656/more-bargain-art-booksMore bargain art books, started by Coach in January 2015 (1 page; 2 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/125505/more-bargain-art-booksArt books, started by Dungle in February 2014 (1 page; 24 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/114032/art-booksNew Virtual Library Offers over 250 Art Books for Free Download, started by dreadnatty in January 2014 (1 page; 1 post) urbanartassociation.com/thread/112992/virtual-library-offers-books-downlCheap good art books, started by Coach in March 2012 (1 page; 8 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/94852/cheap-good-art-booksArt books, started by Lizz Brady in December 2011 (3 pages; 72 posts) urbanartassociation.com/thread/90172/art-books
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Apr 17, 2020 21:54:28 GMT 1, Despite being a professional contemporary artist, last year I had to acknowledge my lack of both talent and original ideas.
The Connor Brothers Recipe (previously referred to) has thus been a godsend for a creative fraud like myself. It is simple. It is easy. And it saves huge amounts of time and effort.
Below are two of my own artworks created using this process:
![](https://i.imgur.com/zGrQI0B.jpg)
Title: We Can Be Heroes Year: 2020 Medium: JPEG file Plate-signed, dated and numbered by the artist Dimensions: 732 x 512 pixels Edition: 300 Price: £120.00
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Title: She Won’t Forsake Me (Cheers, Peddy and Lichtenstein) Year: 2020 Medium: JPEG file Plate-signed, dated and numbered by the artist Dimensions: 626 x 512 pixels Edition: 300 Price: £120.00
Interested buyers can send me a private message for my PayPal details.
100% of all profits from the sale of these editions will be donated to charity*.
*After deductions of my undisclosed design, production and distribution costs; overheads; admin expenses; employee salaries; reasonably-priced meals; snacks; and ancillary disbursements that my accountant kindly marks down in the books as 'fruit and flowers’.
Despite being a professional contemporary artist, last year I had to acknowledge my lack of both talent and original ideas. The Connor Brothers Recipe (previously referred to) has thus been a godsend for a creative fraud like myself. It is simple. It is easy. And it saves huge amounts of time and effort. Below are two of my own artworks created using this process: ![](https://i.imgur.com/zGrQI0B.jpg) Title: We Can Be HeroesYear: 2020 Medium: JPEG file Plate-signed, dated and numbered by the artist Dimensions: 732 x 512 pixels Edition: 300 Price: £120.00 ![](https://i.imgur.com/D3cWHxn.jpg) Title: She Won’t Forsake Me (Cheers, Peddy and Lichtenstein)Year: 2020 Medium: JPEG file Plate-signed, dated and numbered by the artist Dimensions: 626 x 512 pixels Edition: 300 Price: £120.00 Interested buyers can send me a private message for my PayPal details. 100% of all profits from the sale of these editions will be donated to charity*. * After deductions of my undisclosed design, production and distribution costs; overheads; admin expenses; employee salaries; reasonably-priced meals; snacks; and ancillary disbursements that my accountant kindly marks down in the books as 'fruit and flowers’.
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Apr 17, 2020 20:13:13 GMT 1, THE CONNOR BROTHERS RECIPE
1. Steal somebody else's artwork. [Robert Maguire, circa 1957]
![](https://i.imgur.com/LCWzX4V.jpg)
2. Steal somebody else's quote.
![](https://i.imgur.com/83g2YWN.jpg)
3. Mix with a dash of Photoshop.
4. Presto and voilà!
Now print off endless copies, sign as your own, and sell to the ignorant or undiscerning.
![](https://i.imgur.com/6emrXLh.jpg?1)
5. As for any whining by artists (or their family members) whose work you ripped off, what can you do? Haters gonna hate.
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www.ramaguirecoverart.com/
6. On second thought, strike out point 5 above. There is something you can do, once your pockets have already been filled. With modest yet conspicuous fanfare, release a derivative of your plagiarism and allocate the profits to charity.
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Apr 17, 2020 18:35:26 GMT 1, Great image. All proceeds to the NHS and they increased the run to make more money for the cause. Not sure why you'd be negative about this.
It's not just the stealing of others artwork and qoutes. These two are fraudsters and any reputable gallery shouldn't sell their work. If you wanted to be sure 100% of your money spent will be going to the NHS, then it should have been donated directly. Same could be said for Banksy mats or most other art related charity purchases that Im sure lots of members on here have gone in for. I would assume that all these sorts of charity projects are aimed at appealling to those people who may not donate otherwise, rather than being aimed at those who donate naturally without an incentive (of course, there will be some crossover). Surely its better to do this and hopefully add to the charity fund than not?
Imagine I were a common thief who, unbeknownst to most people, breaks into your family home and plunders your most treasured possessions. Your life’s work, for example. Everything you spent so much time creating, honing, perfecting.
After passing off the haul as my own, I then make a song and dance about handing over a conveniently non-specific part of it (the “profits”) to a charitable cause — while keeping the rest for myself to cover undisclosed costs, general overhead and administrative expenses.
Staying true to my well-established modus operandi, I also don't bother to credit you or even acknowledge your forced contribution in this donation process.
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Now, in the above instance, would you be praising me for my generosity?
If no, how come? “Surely it’s better to do this and hopefully add to the charity fund than not?" After all, thousands are dying out there.
If yes, then with "Aw, shucks” modesty, I’d have to say it was really no trouble at all.
You see, my philanthropy is boundless; I am always happy to give away things which aren’t actually mine. That's the kind of altruism that comes very naturally to me. With other people's property, I can be generous to a fault.
And it’s even better when these donations are accompanied by good PR. The charity aspect certainly provides a helpful shield against detractors who criticise my persistent thieving. As my mate Charlie would say, "Duh, winning!"
Great image. All proceeds to the NHS and they increased the run to make more money for the cause. Not sure why you'd be negative about this. It's not just the stealing of others artwork and qoutes. These two are fraudsters and any reputable gallery shouldn't sell their work. If you wanted to be sure 100% of your money spent will be going to the NHS, then it should have been donated directly. Same could be said for Banksy mats or most other art related charity purchases that Im sure lots of members on here have gone in for. I would assume that all these sorts of charity projects are aimed at appealling to those people who may not donate otherwise, rather than being aimed at those who donate naturally without an incentive (of course, there will be some crossover). Surely its better to do this and hopefully add to the charity fund than not? Imagine I were a common thief who, unbeknownst to most people, breaks into your family home and plunders your most treasured possessions. Your life’s work, for example. Everything you spent so much time creating, honing, perfecting. After passing off the haul as my own, I then make a song and dance about handing over a conveniently non-specific part of it (the “profits”) to a charitable cause — while keeping the rest for myself to cover undisclosed costs, general overhead and administrative expenses. Staying true to my well-established modus operandi, I also don't bother to credit you or even acknowledge your forced contribution in this donation process. __________ Now, in the above instance, would you be praising me for my generosity? If no, how come? “Surely it’s better to do this and hopefully add to the charity fund than not?" After all, thousands are dying out there. If yes, then with "Aw, shucks” modesty, I’d have to say it was really no trouble at all. You see, my philanthropy is boundless; I am always happy to give away things which aren’t actually mine. That's the kind of altruism that comes very naturally to me. With other people's property, I can be generous to a fault. And it’s even better when these donations are accompanied by good PR. The charity aspect certainly provides a helpful shield against detractors who criticise my persistent thieving. As my mate Charlie would say, "Duh, winning!"
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Banksy STREET ART, by met on Apr 17, 2020 18:07:20 GMT 1, It’s known as Well Hung Lover, not Hung Lover. I initially thought it was a bit shìt until I realised what it was painted on. Time for a little competition, methinks. Who is the gentleman hanging from the window? First correct answer wins either a Di-Faced Tenner or a POW sticker, depending on my mood when I get to posting it once lockdown is over. Keith Allen?
It’s known as Well Hung Lover, not Hung Lover. I initially thought it was a bit shìt until I realised what it was painted on. Time for a little competition, methinks. Who is the gentleman hanging from the window? First correct answer wins either a Di-Faced Tenner or a POW sticker, depending on my mood when I get to posting it once lockdown is over. Keith Allen?
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Rhys Brown - SLUMBER - WALUSO GALLERY 6th of February, by met on Feb 1, 2020 1:45:30 GMT 1, Hey, I'd like to invite you all to my Solo show at Waluso Gallery Next Thursday (6th of FEB). Hope you can make it down. Thanks! Rhys Brown x Instagram
Waluso Gallery - Instagram - 257 Hoxton Street, N1 5LG, LONDON. Near Hoxton overground. Here's some info about what my work is about. The idea of destroying something to create something new is such a beautiful thing to me. Destruction goes hand in hand with the lack of control I witness when pursuing new works and ideas. The squash paintings are made based on chance, items are destroyed to potentially become works of art and inspired by Yves Klein’s Anthropometry paintings and traditional Japanese printing method “Gyotaku”. Nearly everyone on this earth has something sentimental to them from when they were a child especially in the western world and most of the time it’s in the form of a plush toy. There comes a time when a lot of these people will decide it’s time to let go and move on with there life by getting rid of the plush. Capturing that feeling of childhood within my work feels so important to me from which I have noticed people wanting to name the painting after that special plush toy they had growing up. That inner child is still in all of us even if we like it or not. Nostalgia is what we need in our modern lives to keep going and holding onto the warmth and love of our past. [...]
Congratulations on the forthcoming show. London is no doubt a welcome change from Melbourne at the moment.
As previously referred to*, I'm fond of your earlier monochromatic pieces created with plush toys. There's an x-ray quality to the black and white which is very appealing.
Below are three of your works still available on The Art Vault website*. At AUD 250 each (approx. GBP 130 or EUR 150), they're great value — especially given their medium (relief print), dimensions, and small edition sizes of 6 or 8:
Medium Ghost Teddy
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Medium Teddy on White Paper
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Medium Snowflake Teddy
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For members unfamiliar with Geoffrey's work, check out his process video from seven years ago:
Teddy Bear Roll Out (2013) - uploaded by Kieran Mangan
Hey, I'd like to invite you all to my Solo show at Waluso Gallery Next Thursday (6th of FEB). Hope you can make it down. Thanks! Rhys Brown x Instagram
Waluso Gallery - Instagram - 257 Hoxton Street, N1 5LG, LONDON. Near Hoxton overground. Here's some info about what my work is about. The idea of destroying something to create something new is such a beautiful thing to me. Destruction goes hand in hand with the lack of control I witness when pursuing new works and ideas. The squash paintings are made based on chance, items are destroyed to potentially become works of art and inspired by Yves Klein’s Anthropometry paintings and traditional Japanese printing method “Gyotaku”. Nearly everyone on this earth has something sentimental to them from when they were a child especially in the western world and most of the time it’s in the form of a plush toy. There comes a time when a lot of these people will decide it’s time to let go and move on with there life by getting rid of the plush. Capturing that feeling of childhood within my work feels so important to me from which I have noticed people wanting to name the painting after that special plush toy they had growing up. That inner child is still in all of us even if we like it or not. Nostalgia is what we need in our modern lives to keep going and holding onto the warmth and love of our past. [...] Congratulations on the forthcoming show. London is no doubt a welcome change from Melbourne at the moment. As previously referred to *, I'm fond of your earlier monochromatic pieces created with plush toys. There's an x-ray quality to the black and white which is very appealing. Below are three of your works still available on The Art Vault website *. At AUD 250 each (approx. GBP 130 or EUR 150), they're great value — especially given their medium (relief print), dimensions, and small edition sizes of 6 or 8: Medium Ghost Teddy Medium Teddy on White Paper Medium Snowflake Teddy![](https://i.imgur.com/tt4fgTF.png?1) For members unfamiliar with Geoffrey's work, check out his process video from seven years ago: Teddy Bear Roll Out (2013)- uploaded by Kieran Mangan
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by met on Jan 31, 2020 19:31:26 GMT 1, Any idea someone? ![](https://i.imgur.com/mhqYvHW.png?1) Are you that Michael Kenis chap who was posting all sorts of nonsense on here a while ago, out of interest? Haha. That’s right. But I delete all posts and messages
If you delete all your posts, and then your whole account, I'm at a loss to understand what your objective is.
Any idea someone? ![](https://i.imgur.com/mhqYvHW.png?1) Are you that Michael Kenis chap who was posting all sorts of nonsense on here a while ago, out of interest? Haha. That’s right. But I delete all posts and messages If you delete all your posts, and then your whole account, I'm at a loss to understand what your objective is.
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GDP - Detailed Print Information, by met on Jan 31, 2020 19:08:06 GMT 1, Why does the the photo of the coat hanging up have a button hole on the lapel and the one on the chap outside the shop not? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The coat worn by the chap outside the shop probably does have a buttonhole on the left lapel (left side for the wearer, above the chest pocket).
This was the case with all the coats worn by GDP attendants, and it can be quickly verified by a Google Images search.
It's a low-res photo in the eBay listing, also taken in low-light conditions at an unclear angle. So the fact we don't see the buttonhole doesn't mean it isn't there:
![](https://i.imgur.com/DRtAifc.jpg)
Why does the the photo of the coat hanging up have a button hole on the lapel and the one on the chap outside the shop not? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) The coat worn by the chap outside the shop probably does have a buttonhole on the left lapel (left side for the wearer, above the chest pocket). This was the case with all the coats worn by GDP attendants, and it can be quickly verified by a Google Images search. It's a low-res photo in the eB ay listing, also taken in low-light conditions at an unclear angle. So the fact we don't see the buttonhole doesn't mean it isn't there: ![](https://i.imgur.com/DRtAifc.jpg)
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