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BANKSY, BEST PRINT AND WHY, by Howard Johnson on Apr 17, 2015 21:11:50 GMT 1, Met,
Thanks for sharing that photo! Its quite haunting and extremely powerful. I did not realize that Banksy appropriated the imagery to such an extent. The does change my mindset a bit on this print. I think it remains one of his best images, but such blatant appropriation does kind of make me lose a bit of respect for the image as a distinctly Banksy interpretation of America. I know Shepard Fairey gets a lot of flack on the appropriation front, but I respect what he does to change the context and meaning of the images he uses. It would be interesting to see what the Reed estate thinks of the image from a copyright prospective, from just a cursory overview it does scream of infringement.
Met,
Thanks for sharing that photo! Its quite haunting and extremely powerful. I did not realize that Banksy appropriated the imagery to such an extent. The does change my mindset a bit on this print. I think it remains one of his best images, but such blatant appropriation does kind of make me lose a bit of respect for the image as a distinctly Banksy interpretation of America. I know Shepard Fairey gets a lot of flack on the appropriation front, but I respect what he does to change the context and meaning of the images he uses. It would be interesting to see what the Reed estate thinks of the image from a copyright prospective, from just a cursory overview it does scream of infringement.
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How Does Banksy Avoid the IRS? , by Howard Johnson on Apr 16, 2015 17:47:00 GMT 1, So this thread can be pretty much disregarded. I hung out with a money manager last night and he explained that the IRS couldn't care less about where an income is coming from as long as its disclosed and taxes are paid.
So this thread can be pretty much disregarded. I hung out with a money manager last night and he explained that the IRS couldn't care less about where an income is coming from as long as its disclosed and taxes are paid.
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How Does Banksy Avoid the IRS? , by Howard Johnson on Apr 15, 2015 22:34:19 GMT 1, I imagine it is through a company where he is a director who takes a large salary as opposed to being an "artist" per se (can't spell) Yeah this is what I was thinking. But, wouldn't the company have to disclose the items its selling at some point or another? I honestly have no idea, but from the perspective of an IRS agent he must raise a ton of red flags (giant income without any verifiable explanation as to its source).
I imagine it is through a company where he is a director who takes a large salary as opposed to being an "artist" per se (can't spell) Yeah this is what I was thinking. But, wouldn't the company have to disclose the items its selling at some point or another? I honestly have no idea, but from the perspective of an IRS agent he must raise a ton of red flags (giant income without any verifiable explanation as to its source).
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How Does Banksy Avoid the IRS? , by Howard Johnson on Apr 15, 2015 22:23:14 GMT 1, In the past couple months I have had the pleasure of meeting many collectors far more versed in the world of Banksy then myself. Throughout these conversations two facts continue to be reiterated; 1) Banksy is living in the US, and likely in Los Angeles, and 2) Banksy continues to sell original artwork and prints very quietly through intermediaries. This got me thinking, how the hell does he avoid the IRS? Granted, these statements may just be widespread rumors, but I image it would still be very difficult to hide the enormous amount of wealth he's accrued from either the US or UK government.
Like Al Capone, will tax evasion finally be his undoing? Is there a legal way he can lie about his income though the use of a creative corporate structure or other legal entities? If any business aficionados have any theories, I think its an interesting conversation to have.
In the past couple months I have had the pleasure of meeting many collectors far more versed in the world of Banksy then myself. Throughout these conversations two facts continue to be reiterated; 1) Banksy is living in the US, and likely in Los Angeles, and 2) Banksy continues to sell original artwork and prints very quietly through intermediaries. This got me thinking, how the hell does he avoid the IRS? Granted, these statements may just be widespread rumors, but I image it would still be very difficult to hide the enormous amount of wealth he's accrued from either the US or UK government.
Like Al Capone, will tax evasion finally be his undoing? Is there a legal way he can lie about his income though the use of a creative corporate structure or other legal entities? If any business aficionados have any theories, I think its an interesting conversation to have.
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BANKSY, BEST PRINT AND WHY, by Howard Johnson on Apr 15, 2015 21:45:30 GMT 1, 1. When you look at your favourite Banksy image, how many flags do you see? 2. What are your thoughts on the source imagery the artist used? I wondered whether you considered that source imagery to be less, just as, or possibly even more powerful than Banksy's piece. Thanks Met, I too find these sort of discussions much more enlightening then a lot of the financial talk on these threads. Plus, I love hearing others thoughts on the different Banksy pieces. To answer your first question I only see one flag, but I get the feeling that you mean something beyond the surface. By source imagery are you referring to the Iwo Jima picture? I seem to remember another source photograph was used but am having trouble finding it. Obviously, the Iwo Jima picture is burning into many American's minds as a defining portrait of Americana, and the triumph of "good" over evil in a war that was for the most part very black and white. Moreover, as all good americans are taught in history class, WWII was a defining economic moment that pulled America out of the great depression.
That is no longer the case. The modern American military campaigns have lined the pockets of the super rich, and decimated resources once allocated to impoverished citizens. To me this image stands as a testament of that fact, and while it is extremely critical of such actions it also celebrates the American spirit to stand resilient in the face of a seemingly bleak situation. Therein lies the brilliance of the image, a perfect depiction of the oxymoronic celebration of America by a population it could care less about. I personally worked on the legal team that fought the corruption perpetrated by Halliburton during the Iraq war, so my viewpoint and appreciation for this image is probably quite different then many others.
1. When you look at your favourite Banksy image, how many flags do you see? 2. What are your thoughts on the source imagery the artist used? I wondered whether you considered that source imagery to be less, just as, or possibly even more powerful than Banksy's piece. Thanks Met, I too find these sort of discussions much more enlightening then a lot of the financial talk on these threads. Plus, I love hearing others thoughts on the different Banksy pieces. To answer your first question I only see one flag, but I get the feeling that you mean something beyond the surface. By source imagery are you referring to the Iwo Jima picture? I seem to remember another source photograph was used but am having trouble finding it. Obviously, the Iwo Jima picture is burning into many American's minds as a defining portrait of Americana, and the triumph of "good" over evil in a war that was for the most part very black and white. Moreover, as all good americans are taught in history class, WWII was a defining economic moment that pulled America out of the great depression. That is no longer the case. The modern American military campaigns have lined the pockets of the super rich, and decimated resources once allocated to impoverished citizens. To me this image stands as a testament of that fact, and while it is extremely critical of such actions it also celebrates the American spirit to stand resilient in the face of a seemingly bleak situation. Therein lies the brilliance of the image, a perfect depiction of the oxymoronic celebration of America by a population it could care less about. I personally worked on the legal team that fought the corruption perpetrated by Halliburton during the Iraq war, so my viewpoint and appreciation for this image is probably quite different then many others.
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BANKSY, BEST PRINT AND WHY, by Howard Johnson on Apr 15, 2015 4:15:13 GMT 1, Met,
I've been familiar with the image since I got into urban art about three years ago, and it's always been my favorite. I think it's one of his most distinctly american pieces (obviously), and may hold more relevance for those of us in the states. I'll also toss out "Have a Nice Day" which I feel is vastly underrated. Obviously it has a universal message, but with the light being she's on militarized police in America and the brutal consequences of that trend, the image seems to become more relevant by the day.
Met,
I've been familiar with the image since I got into urban art about three years ago, and it's always been my favorite. I think it's one of his most distinctly american pieces (obviously), and may hold more relevance for those of us in the states. I'll also toss out "Have a Nice Day" which I feel is vastly underrated. Obviously it has a universal message, but with the light being she's on militarized police in America and the brutal consequences of that trend, the image seems to become more relevant by the day.
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Banksy • Have A Nice Day Print • 2003, by Howard Johnson on Apr 14, 2015 20:17:45 GMT 1, I love the painted spacer on this one, adds a nice pop of color. Good luck with the sale!
I love the painted spacer on this one, adds a nice pop of color. Good luck with the sale!
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BANKSY, BEST PRINT AND WHY, by Howard Johnson on Apr 13, 2015 19:48:00 GMT 1, For me, its hands down "Flags." In my humble opinion, that image is so powerful and nuanced that it overshadows the rest of his commercial work by comparison. Whether you interpret it as a glorification of the American dream by those who realistically can't achieve it, or an anti-war image that depicts an America so obsessed with war that it chooses to value death and destruction over providing for its lower class, I think it maintains a power and relevance that will only grow as time goes on. Plus, while the paper stock is admittedly lacking, the execution serves to bolster and enhance the image and message. The grainy black ink against a stark silver sets forth creates a grainy mechanical atmosphere that perfectly represents the proletariat.
For me, its hands down "Flags." In my humble opinion, that image is so powerful and nuanced that it overshadows the rest of his commercial work by comparison. Whether you interpret it as a glorification of the American dream by those who realistically can't achieve it, or an anti-war image that depicts an America so obsessed with war that it chooses to value death and destruction over providing for its lower class, I think it maintains a power and relevance that will only grow as time goes on. Plus, while the paper stock is admittedly lacking, the execution serves to bolster and enhance the image and message. The grainy black ink against a stark silver sets forth creates a grainy mechanical atmosphere that perfectly represents the proletariat.
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Your Biggest Bargain, by Howard Johnson on Apr 9, 2015 16:42:56 GMT 1, Shepard Fairey "War by numbers" HPM on wood for 2k. Found an old printer of Shep's on craigslist advertising antiques and saw the piece is the background of one of images. Had been sitting in a storage unit forgotten about for like 5 years.
Shepard Fairey "War by numbers" HPM on wood for 2k. Found an old printer of Shep's on craigslist advertising antiques and saw the piece is the background of one of images. Had been sitting in a storage unit forgotten about for like 5 years.
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Banksy Search Continues. - Following Signed and U/S Wanted, by Howard Johnson on Apr 8, 2015 19:05:20 GMT 1, I can vouch for reblate. Honest buyer, and doesn't mess around. Someone sell this man a banksy!!
I can vouch for reblate. Honest buyer, and doesn't mess around. Someone sell this man a banksy!!
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Death of Street Art , by Howard Johnson on Apr 8, 2015 17:40:25 GMT 1, This has been discussed before, but like many collectors I actually prefer prints to originals for the most part. There is a cleaness and sharpness to screenprints that I find more visually appealing then say a rougher hand finished work. Plus, Screenprinting in itself is an art form that I greatly admire. The comments about little involvement are also not necessary accurate for most artists. To be considered a "fine art print" (under CA law at least) an artist must work closely with a printer in approving image, inks, technique, and paper stock to create a unique work.
From an investment standpoint prints are also provide fluidity for a collection. While it may take months and maybe even years to sell an expensive original, sought after prints can be easily sold or traded if money or taste becomes an issue.
As for the "death of street art" it's just the commoditization and popularity of a sub culture which happens with any popular movement. The same thing happened to the pop art movement which was, at least initially, a stand against the artist norms of the time. Great and important art will always become valuable.
This has been discussed before, but like many collectors I actually prefer prints to originals for the most part. There is a cleaness and sharpness to screenprints that I find more visually appealing then say a rougher hand finished work. Plus, Screenprinting in itself is an art form that I greatly admire. The comments about little involvement are also not necessary accurate for most artists. To be considered a "fine art print" (under CA law at least) an artist must work closely with a printer in approving image, inks, technique, and paper stock to create a unique work.
From an investment standpoint prints are also provide fluidity for a collection. While it may take months and maybe even years to sell an expensive original, sought after prints can be easily sold or traded if money or taste becomes an issue.
As for the "death of street art" it's just the commoditization and popularity of a sub culture which happens with any popular movement. The same thing happened to the pop art movement which was, at least initially, a stand against the artist norms of the time. Great and important art will always become valuable.
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Repost w/new framed pieces added DFace/Whatson/Moss/Pez&more, by Howard Johnson on Apr 6, 2015 18:53:10 GMT 1, I can personally vouch for Brad. I've conducted a few transactions with him in the past and he is a very trustworthy seller.
I can personally vouch for Brad. I've conducted a few transactions with him in the past and he is a very trustworthy seller.
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Meaning behind Banksy prints, by Howard Johnson on Apr 1, 2015 19:03:48 GMT 1, I'd love to hear peoples thoughts on "Pulp Fiction." Can't wrap my head around any larger meaning for that one.
I'd love to hear peoples thoughts on "Pulp Fiction." Can't wrap my head around any larger meaning for that one.
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What is the Best Banksy Print from a Artistic Perspective?, by Howard Johnson on Mar 26, 2015 1:29:33 GMT 1, I joined this forum a few months back as I entered the traitorous world of Banksy collecting. I'm very thankful, as this place is a fantastic resource for a new collector and a lot of you have been extremely helpful.
Learning about the market with very fresh eyes I'm noticing that there is a bit of a disconnect between pricing and the artistic merit in Banksy's body of work. Some of "holy grails" so to speak lack the depth and nuance as other lower end pieces. I came across an old thread where members where discussing the worst banksy prints and CYW, Nola, Kate Moss and Pulp Fiction were repeatedly mentioned yet are some of the highest priced works. Obviously, there is a ton of factors that go into market pricing and the vast majority of his pieces are at the very least visually appealing. It got me thinking, what do people consider to be his best work on from a purely artistic perspective (image/execution)?
For me, its hands down "Flags." In my humble opinion, that image is so powerful and nuanced that it overshadows the rest of his commercial work by comparison. Whether you interpret it as a glorification of the American dream by those who realistically can't achieve it, or an anti-war image that depicts an America so obsessed with war that it chooses to value death and destruction over providing for its lower class, I think it maintains a power and relevance that will only grow as time goes on. Plus, while the paper stock is admittedly lacking, the execution serves to bolster and enhance the image and message. The grainy black ink against a stark silver sets forth creates a grainy mechanical atmosphere that perfectly represents the proletariat.
Obviously, this is just my (biased) opinion but I'd love to hear what you all think on the matter. What prints do you think are artistically the most fascinating, and why do you hold this belief?
*For the record, I don't mean to bash any of the prints listed above. Artwork doesn't need to be deep or thought provoking in order to be cherished or culturally relevant.
I joined this forum a few months back as I entered the traitorous world of Banksy collecting. I'm very thankful, as this place is a fantastic resource for a new collector and a lot of you have been extremely helpful.
Learning about the market with very fresh eyes I'm noticing that there is a bit of a disconnect between pricing and the artistic merit in Banksy's body of work. Some of "holy grails" so to speak lack the depth and nuance as other lower end pieces. I came across an old thread where members where discussing the worst banksy prints and CYW, Nola, Kate Moss and Pulp Fiction were repeatedly mentioned yet are some of the highest priced works. Obviously, there is a ton of factors that go into market pricing and the vast majority of his pieces are at the very least visually appealing. It got me thinking, what do people consider to be his best work on from a purely artistic perspective (image/execution)?
For me, its hands down "Flags." In my humble opinion, that image is so powerful and nuanced that it overshadows the rest of his commercial work by comparison. Whether you interpret it as a glorification of the American dream by those who realistically can't achieve it, or an anti-war image that depicts an America so obsessed with war that it chooses to value death and destruction over providing for its lower class, I think it maintains a power and relevance that will only grow as time goes on. Plus, while the paper stock is admittedly lacking, the execution serves to bolster and enhance the image and message. The grainy black ink against a stark silver sets forth creates a grainy mechanical atmosphere that perfectly represents the proletariat.
Obviously, this is just my (biased) opinion but I'd love to hear what you all think on the matter. What prints do you think are artistically the most fascinating, and why do you hold this belief?
*For the record, I don't mean to bash any of the prints listed above. Artwork doesn't need to be deep or thought provoking in order to be cherished or culturally relevant.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Howard Johnson on Mar 24, 2015 19:46:27 GMT 1, Quick update
"Saddo" and "Soup Can 3" now sold pending payment
As indicated in the "Art Wanted Thread" looking for Cash + Trade offers on the Queen Vic, mainly "Applause" but open to other cheaper pieces or ones with condition issues. Also looking for a D*face Pop Tart. Thanks!
Quick update
"Saddo" and "Soup Can 3" now sold pending payment
As indicated in the "Art Wanted Thread" looking for Cash + Trade offers on the Queen Vic, mainly "Applause" but open to other cheaper pieces or ones with condition issues. Also looking for a D*face Pop Tart. Thanks!
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WBT: U/S Applause or D*face Pop Tart, by Howard Johnson on Mar 24, 2015 18:32:56 GMT 1, Meant to post this to my sales thread, but it seems that the rules have changed since my original posting.
Looking to trade my u/s Queen Vic for an u/s Applause + cash. Had this offer on the table and it looks to have fallen through, so I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested. Would also be interested in a Pop Tart. I'm based in Los Angeles.
Pictures of the Queen can be seen in the link below. If you have an Applause or Pop Tart to sell, but are not interested in the Queen Vic please PM me your asking price and maybe we can work something out for the future. Thanks!
urbanartassociation.com/thread/128035/fs-banksy-dface-shepard-fairey
Meant to post this to my sales thread, but it seems that the rules have changed since my original posting. Looking to trade my u/s Queen Vic for an u/s Applause + cash. Had this offer on the table and it looks to have fallen through, so I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested. Would also be interested in a Pop Tart. I'm based in Los Angeles. Pictures of the Queen can be seen in the link below. If you have an Applause or Pop Tart to sell, but are not interested in the Queen Vic please PM me your asking price and maybe we can work something out for the future. Thanks! urbanartassociation.com/thread/128035/fs-banksy-dface-shepard-fairey
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Howard Johnson on Mar 23, 2015 20:59:24 GMT 1, All pieces listed below are framed and available for pickup in Los Angeles (or the surrounding area). As indicated, some may be shipped at buyers expense.
Everything is in excellent condition unless otherwise noted. I'm happy to send over more pictures on request. Link to references can be found below.
Open to trades + cash on all. Looking for Banksy (Unsigned/Gift/Backdoor) or D*face's "Pop Tart" (any edition)
Banksy - "Queen Vic" (Unsigned) - COA included (Registered in my name) - SOLD PENDING PICK UP
DFace - "Zombie Ziggy" - Spraypaint and Acrylic on Aluminum - $3,000 (*Can be shipped framed) Free backdoor "Turf War" with purchase!
DFace - "More Punk Than you Punk" (AP from an Edition of 16) - COA included - $850
DFace - "Saddo" (Unsigned Test Print) - SOLD
Shepard Fairey - "Soup Can 3" - SOLD PENDING PAYMENT (*Print is framed similar to "Saddo," can be shipped unframed)
Shepard Fairey - "Dictator" - $1250
References:
All pieces listed below are framed and available for pickup in Los Angeles (or the surrounding area). As indicated, some may be shipped at buyers expense. Everything is in excellent condition unless otherwise noted. I'm happy to send over more pictures on request. Link to references can be found below. Open to trades + cash on all. Looking for Banksy (Unsigned/Gift/Backdoor) or D*face's "Pop Tart" (any edition) Banksy - "Queen Vic" (Unsigned) - COA included (Registered in my name) - SOLD PENDING PICK UP
DFace - "Zombie Ziggy" - Spraypaint and Acrylic on Aluminum - $3,000 (*Can be shipped framed) Free backdoor "Turf War" with purchase! DFace - "More Punk Than you Punk" (AP from an Edition of 16) - COA included - $850 DFace - "Saddo" (Unsigned Test Print) - SOLDShepard Fairey - "Soup Can 3" - SOLD PENDING PAYMENT (*Print is framed similar to "Saddo," can be shipped unframed) Shepard Fairey - "Dictator" - $1250 References:
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Banksy CND Unsigned, by Howard Johnson on Mar 22, 2015 21:29:14 GMT 1, The main issue you should be concerned about is moisture or extreme heat fluctuations. These can cause the ink to adhere to the glass and I'm not sure a framer could be of much help, a restorationist may be a better bet. However, if the weather where it was located was temperate and without much humidity it should be fine.
The main issue you should be concerned about is moisture or extreme heat fluctuations. These can cause the ink to adhere to the glass and I'm not sure a framer could be of much help, a restorationist may be a better bet. However, if the weather where it was located was temperate and without much humidity it should be fine.
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Banksy • Rude Copper Print • 2003, by Howard Johnson on Mar 22, 2015 21:25:01 GMT 1, Definatly a fake. I contacted the seller a few weeks back and he wants a western union transfer and refuses to send more pictures.
Definatly a fake. I contacted the seller a few weeks back and he wants a western union transfer and refuses to send more pictures.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Howard Johnson on Mar 20, 2015 0:37:02 GMT 1, It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors. Also, it would deter scammers and provide clarity to unsophisticated collectors (assuming they could accurately tell what was official).
The warhol market is littered with similarly situated backdoor and unsigned pieces, and I believe the authentication board was able to issue certs for them before they disbanded.
It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors. Also, it would deter scammers and provide clarity to unsophisticated collectors (assuming they could accurately tell what was official).
The warhol market is littered with similarly situated backdoor and unsigned pieces, and I believe the authentication board was able to issue certs for them before they disbanded.
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Inside Art Collectors Homes, by Howard Johnson on Mar 19, 2015 21:41:10 GMT 1, Howies, that has to be one of the cleanest most impressive man caves I've ever seen. Congrats man!
Howies, that has to be one of the cleanest most impressive man caves I've ever seen. Congrats man!
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Obey - info on forthcoming work, by Howard Johnson on Mar 17, 2015 22:03:37 GMT 1, I'm really glad Shepard moved out of his normal wheelhouse of 18 x 24 or letterpresses for this new release. I'm sure the print will look stunning in person and as a long time fan I really hope he continues to experiment with different stuff like this, as the lackluster or rehashed images of late almost had me losing faith!
I'm really glad Shepard moved out of his normal wheelhouse of 18 x 24 or letterpresses for this new release. I'm sure the print will look stunning in person and as a long time fan I really hope he continues to experiment with different stuff like this, as the lackluster or rehashed images of late almost had me losing faith!
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Why So Serious?, by Howard Johnson on Mar 6, 2015 4:22:26 GMT 1, Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides.
The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today.
On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum?
Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides.
The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today.
On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum?
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WARNING - Banksy Craigslist Scam , by Howard Johnson on Mar 5, 2015 23:02:32 GMT 1, thanks for the heads up. By scam, do you mean they're trying to pass off fakes? or have some method of collecting money without providing the prints? Collecting money without the prints. I contacted both (who wouldn't at those prices) and they both tried to pull standard scams such as falsifying DHL documents claiming they have a payment system that doesn't exist, ect.
thanks for the heads up. By scam, do you mean they're trying to pass off fakes? or have some method of collecting money without providing the prints? Collecting money without the prints. I contacted both (who wouldn't at those prices) and they both tried to pull standard scams such as falsifying DHL documents claiming they have a payment system that doesn't exist, ect.
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WARNING - Banksy Craigslist Scam , by Howard Johnson on Mar 5, 2015 22:47:06 GMT 1, The pieces listed below, being sold on the London Craigslist site, are scams. I've tried contacting Craigslist but they have not taken down the listings. The sellers names are listed below in case they attempt to sell on this forum, or if people google their names. Just thought I'd warn people.
Louis Barclay
london.craigslist.co.uk/art/4893602251.html
Mauro Perez
london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/4879627663.html
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WANTED: Banksy Flags or CND Soldiers, by Howard Johnson on Mar 5, 2015 19:07:22 GMT 1, I can get you a mint flags for 2.2k (USD) if your interested.
I can get you a mint flags for 2.2k (USD) if your interested.
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Banksy Flying Copper Print, by Howard Johnson on Mar 4, 2015 22:16:19 GMT 1, Keep it, it's a classic.... Yeah might do. I really do think FC is a sleeping giant. How it can be worth the same a banal love rat is beyond me, I think the time will come soon when FC is recognised as a real classic Well said, I agree that the "Smiling Copper" is one of those iconic Banksy images right up there with GWRB and the Laugh Now Monkey. Down the line people are gonna want something that is instantly recognizable as Banksy without having to do any explaining. Have a Nice Day is also a nice alternative if you don't want the hassle of dealing with such a massive print.
Keep it, it's a classic.... Yeah might do. I really do think FC is a sleeping giant. How it can be worth the same a banal love rat is beyond me, I think the time will come soon when FC is recognised as a real classic Well said, I agree that the "Smiling Copper" is one of those iconic Banksy images right up there with GWRB and the Laugh Now Monkey. Down the line people are gonna want something that is instantly recognizable as Banksy without having to do any explaining. Have a Nice Day is also a nice alternative if you don't want the hassle of dealing with such a massive print.
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YOU killed street art, by Howard Johnson on Feb 5, 2015 20:10:49 GMT 1, Denada, great thread. However, I would argue that a robust secondary market is a tool that can be utilized for those of us who may not have the money needed for this hobby. I'm currently a law student and amassing copious amounts of debt by the day. I love art collecting, and I wouldn't be able to do it if I couldn't buy/sell and re-invest the difference back into my collection. Over the course of 3ish years I have amassed a nice collection of blue-chip urban pieces that I absolutely love while breaking even on my bank account, and without flipping any new releases (a practice that is rightfully looked down upon). If you put the time in to learn the market, you can use it as an advantage to work your way towards the pieces you want (buying/selling/and trading).
Granted, none of this would be necessary if prices weren't so damn inflated to begin with. But, the whole process of strategically working towards an art goal is almost as satisfying as receiving the piece in the mail.
Denada, great thread. However, I would argue that a robust secondary market is a tool that can be utilized for those of us who may not have the money needed for this hobby. I'm currently a law student and amassing copious amounts of debt by the day. I love art collecting, and I wouldn't be able to do it if I couldn't buy/sell and re-invest the difference back into my collection. Over the course of 3ish years I have amassed a nice collection of blue-chip urban pieces that I absolutely love while breaking even on my bank account, and without flipping any new releases (a practice that is rightfully looked down upon). If you put the time in to learn the market, you can use it as an advantage to work your way towards the pieces you want (buying/selling/and trading).
Granted, none of this would be necessary if prices weren't so damn inflated to begin with. But, the whole process of strategically working towards an art goal is almost as satisfying as receiving the piece in the mail.
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Why doesn't Banksy flood his own market?, by Howard Johnson on Feb 4, 2015 1:34:24 GMT 1, By not releasing prints and cashing in his previous prints sell for more and more this gets the media talking, this causes the hype and prices to grow further to the point where every single piece he creates on the streets ends up in dozens of news papers and various other news sources etc... as his art carries a political message he ofcourse wants his message to reach as far as possible, if his work was not hyped the way it is it would only really ever be seen by whomever walks past it or the likes of us collectors (who are for the most part already of a similar political persuasion). It is all just about creating as big an audience as possible for himself. If you were to take another artist with a political agenda such as shep fairey who churnes out print after print after print only collectors ever hear of his realeases and as mentioned before they already have a similar political mindset anyway, so in terms of spreading a political message one Banksy street piece a year probably challenges more minds then dozens of fairey prints. Maybe he wants every fan to own a piece of his artwork to enjoy everyday I really don't know, but if he were to do this the hype would slow, his message would reach fewer people and that would defeat the entire purpose of making political art. This is the most original viewpoint iv'e read on the various "why doesn't Banksy release more prints" threads. I'd also add that the finical success of Banksy's work only serves to further solidify his place in the art history books. Whether thats a good thing is debatable, but it bolsters this viewpoint. The more valuable his pieces become, the more artistic/historical relevance his work receives, the more likely that future generations will see and study his work. Essentially reaching not only people in our generation, but preserving his messages for generation to come. As much as I love Shep, I do agree that 90% of his crazy output will not make it into educational galleries or similar institutions.
By not releasing prints and cashing in his previous prints sell for more and more this gets the media talking, this causes the hype and prices to grow further to the point where every single piece he creates on the streets ends up in dozens of news papers and various other news sources etc... as his art carries a political message he ofcourse wants his message to reach as far as possible, if his work was not hyped the way it is it would only really ever be seen by whomever walks past it or the likes of us collectors (who are for the most part already of a similar political persuasion). It is all just about creating as big an audience as possible for himself. If you were to take another artist with a political agenda such as shep fairey who churnes out print after print after print only collectors ever hear of his realeases and as mentioned before they already have a similar political mindset anyway, so in terms of spreading a political message one Banksy street piece a year probably challenges more minds then dozens of fairey prints. Maybe he wants every fan to own a piece of his artwork to enjoy everyday I really don't know, but if he were to do this the hype would slow, his message would reach fewer people and that would defeat the entire purpose of making political art. This is the most original viewpoint iv'e read on the various "why doesn't Banksy release more prints" threads. I'd also add that the finical success of Banksy's work only serves to further solidify his place in the art history books. Whether thats a good thing is debatable, but it bolsters this viewpoint. The more valuable his pieces become, the more artistic/historical relevance his work receives, the more likely that future generations will see and study his work. Essentially reaching not only people in our generation, but preserving his messages for generation to come. As much as I love Shep, I do agree that 90% of his crazy output will not make it into educational galleries or similar institutions.
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