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Banksy + Royksopp, by met on Mar 30, 2024 2:03:49 GMT 1, Hi. I've decided its time to sell my Ban ksy / Royksopp Melody AM promo 2x12" white label vinyl. This is numbered 38/100. For those who don't know, this was a 2001 limited edition of 100 worldwide promotional copies of the debut album by Royksopp, issued by their label Wall of Sound. Ban ksy was commissioned to hand stencil the covers, which feature a stencil of some conifer trees and the band's logo. The promo includes an A4 Wall of Sound press release which states 'original artwork by Ban ksy' (Ban ksy around the same time provided the cover artwork for the label's 'We Love You...' compilation). From 1996-2005 I worked for the band's UK concert promoters (Metropolis Music) and I was given my copy by the band's booking agent, Peter Elliott of Primary Talent. The record sat in my collection, unplayed, for many years - I had no clue I even owned it, never mind the Ban ksy connection - until a few years ago when I found it and realised its significance. As the promos were not released through Pictures On Walls there's no Pest Control certification for them - hopefully my provenance is reassuring. There are a few different theories about when / how if Ban ksy stencilled them, including the significance of lighter / darker paint (mine is the darker colour, which tallies with being #38). You can read about it hereAnd you can hear the band talking about the Ban ksy covers here (Svein Berge from the band has #1 and #7) - listen from 22:44 and 28:50 There's been some debate on forums about whether Ban ksy actually stencilled the promos himself by hand - this clears it up: he did. He also talks about the different green colours and how the records were distributed to the industry (people like me). And about how he visited the band in Norway, for those who are interested. So - condition. The vinyl records themselves are mint condition and unplayed. The cover was stored with other records for some years and therefore has some slight rubbing as you can see in the photos. As to value: make me an offer! Secure courier postage to be organised by the buyer. Thanks for reading.
Still unclear to me why PCO would not authenticate these. Great stuff.
It is down to the restricted parameters of oversight that Pest Control Office sets for itself.
Broadly, in order to qualify for a certificate of authenticity, a Banksy item must be deemed to be "a commercial work of art".
Neither the medium/technique itself (in this case, an album cover stencil‑sprayed by hand), nor the fact there are very limited numbers (here, 100), enters the equation.
Likewise when it comes to the source of the relevant items: Banksy original paintings and screenprints from Pictures On Walls qualify for a COA, whereas Banksy tote bags, t‑shirts and stickers from Pictures On Walls do not.
This album cover was paid‑for illustration work, commissioned by a record label.
Regardless of rarity, collectibility or market value, it is attributed a status by Pest Control Office that is equivalent or comparable to that of other Banksy ephemera โ like Paris Hilton CDs or individual Di‑Faced Tenner notes.
Hi. I've decided its time to sell my Ban ksy / Royksopp Melody AM promo 2x12" white label vinyl. This is numbered 38/100. For those who don't know, this was a 2001 limited edition of 100 worldwide promotional copies of the debut album by Royksopp, issued by their label Wall of Sound. Ban ksy was commissioned to hand stencil the covers, which feature a stencil of some conifer trees and the band's logo. The promo includes an A4 Wall of Sound press release which states 'original artwork by Ban ksy' (Ban ksy around the same time provided the cover artwork for the label's 'We Love You...' compilation). From 1996-2005 I worked for the band's UK concert promoters (Metropolis Music) and I was given my copy by the band's booking agent, Peter Elliott of Primary Talent. The record sat in my collection, unplayed, for many years - I had no clue I even owned it, never mind the Ban ksy connection - until a few years ago when I found it and realised its significance. As the promos were not released through Pictures On Walls there's no Pest Control certification for them - hopefully my provenance is reassuring. There are a few different theories about when / how if Ban ksy stencilled them, including the significance of lighter / darker paint (mine is the darker colour, which tallies with being #38). You can read about it hereAnd you can hear the band talking about the Ban ksy covers here (Svein Berge from the band has #1 and #7) - listen from 22:44 and 28:50 There's been some debate on forums about whether Ban ksy actually stencilled the promos himself by hand - this clears it up: he did. He also talks about the different green colours and how the records were distributed to the industry (people like me). And about how he visited the band in Norway, for those who are interested. So - condition. The vinyl records themselves are mint condition and unplayed. The cover was stored with other records for some years and therefore has some slight rubbing as you can see in the photos. As to value: make me an offer! Secure courier postage to be organised by the buyer. Thanks for reading. Still unclear to me why PCO would not authenticate these. Great stuff. It is down to the restricted parameters of oversight that Pest Control Office sets for itself. Broadly, in order to qualify for a certificate of authenticity, a Ban ksy item must be deemed to be "a commercial work of art". Neither the medium/ technique itself (in this case, an album cover stencil‑sprayed by hand), nor the fact there are very limited numbers (here, 100), enters the equation. Likewise when it comes to the source of the relevant items: Ban ksy original paintings and screenprints from Pictures On Walls qualify for a COA, whereas Ban ksy tote bags, t‑shirts and stickers from Pictures On Walls do not. This album cover was paid‑for illustration work, commissioned by a record label. Regardless of rarity, collectibility or market value, it is attributed a status by Pest Control Office that is equivalent or comparable to that of other Ban ksy ephemera โ like Pa ris Hilton CDs or individual Di‑Faced Tenner notes.
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Banksy Tree Mural โข North London, by met on Mar 30, 2024 0:13:20 GMT 1,
Awesome. Thank you for the photos.
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When was this?
Looks like you showed up at the perfect moment:
Some welcome peace and quiet. Especially given the slight frenzy over the last 12 days.
No pushing or shoving. Nobody hassling anyone. Nobody blocking the view.
You could remain in prime position, up‑close.
And take all the time you wanted to check out that wooden hoarding and those two separate layers of plastic.
Awesome. Thank you for the photos. __________ When was this? Looks like you showed up at the perfect moment: Some welcome peace and quiet. Especially given the slight frenzy over the last 12 days. No pushing or shoving. Nobody hassling anyone. Nobody blocking the view. You could remain in prime position, up‑close. And take all the time you wanted to check out that wooden hoarding and those two separate layers of plastic.
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Grayson Perry ๐ฌ๐ง Ceramic โข Tapestry โข Exhibition News, by met on Mar 19, 2024 15:01:47 GMT 1, For Sale: New and never displayed Grayson Perry Key Worker #4 with the yellow hair and cat. This is the most popular one. Perfect conditon, ยฃ220 plus shipping or can meet in London.
Key worker, without a doubt.
And the apparent popularity of this piece is unsurprising, especially if among younger collectors.
Hat tip as well to Grayson Perry, for having so‑perfectly captured the tragic nature of the situation depicted:
A newly‑furloughed Ronald McDonald โ contemplative, wistful, and somewhat resentful about his drop in status to a mere civilian.
For Sale: New and never displayed Grayson Perry Key Worker #4 with the yellow hair and cat. This is the most popular one. Perfect conditon, ยฃ220 plus shipping or can meet in London. Key worker, without a doubt. And the apparent popularity of this piece is unsurprising, especially if among younger collectors. Hat tip as well to Grayson Perry, for having so‑perfectly captured the tragic nature of the situation depicted: A newly‑furloughed Ronald McDonald โ contemplative, wistful, and somewhat resentful about his drop in status to a mere civilian.
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Banksy Tree Mural โข North London, by met on Mar 18, 2024 22:28:15 GMT 1, [...]
Thank you for the heads‑up.
Hornsey Rd, Finsbury Park, London N19 4HT [...]
Cheers for the helpful address. Much obliged.
Somewhere, there's a Perspex seller planning early retirement.
That made me chuckle. Thank you.
I love this piece! although I don't think this is a Ban ksy. The technique is different from what he usually does. The green in the character is painted on top of the black and Banksy would paint it behind the black and keep open spaces in the black layer to let the green through. He would first paint the black layer for reference and paint the colored bits, then repaint the black layer again for the end result. A good example of his technique is in this video: www.instagram.com/tv/CMAHrGPFV2V/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==But this is only my 2 cents ;-)
Some random points that come to mind:
1. Banksy's techniques have evolved, becoming increasingly multivarious and sophisticated.
I've previously referred to him as being a stencil artist, but would now consider that description misleading.
While the bulk of his work continues to be stencil‑based, many non‑stencil embellishing techniques have often been incorporated into his work, especially over the past decade โ such as freehand spraying with cans, hand‑spraying with spray bottles, and hand‑painting with brushes, rollers, even fingertips.
2. The techniques that Banksy opts for won't always be consistent. They are piece-dependent, chosen according to what will best suit each artwork.
In this instance, one could say it is just the black paint that truly represents the body of the character holding the pressure sprayer.
The green colours do not depict the woman herself (as would otherwise have been the case if flesh tones were included). They represent a partial failure, or at least a presumably-undesired consequence, of her intervention โ which has also resulted in her getting completely covered in paint.
Consequently, it makes sense here that the greens were added on top of the black base layer.
3. As with the floor routine of a professional gymnast, Banksy makes his work look relatively easy or simple. Deceptively so, in my view.
Even with the chosen palette, it isn't simply green and black. Three different colours of green were used: mint and sea green for the woman, and shamrock (mirroring Islington signage) for the replicated tree leaves:
Thank you for posting.
Those Instagram photos are interesting because they partially explain what was unclear to me on Sunday.
The second photo doesn't actually show the installation in its finished state.
Only the close‑up third photo looks to be of the completed piece. Water was applied in the interval, for added texture, shading and depth.
Spot the differences:
When viewing the work in person, I spent a while looking at the outline of the painted foliage.
My mistaken assumption was that the leaves were done, not just with a pressure sprayer, but also with a brush or roller at the end of an extension pole. This impression was due to the vertical lines in white. The cleanliness of those lines was inconsistent with the result that would be achieved by a green-paint-filled fire extinguisher or pressure sprayer alone.
I now realise those white lines were created by using water โ applied with a pressure sprayer to certain sections of the tree, and then allowed to drip down and dilute or wash away parts of the still‑wet green paint.
Compare and contrast the treetop cropped images of:
(a) Banksy's early, second Instagram photo on the left; versus
(b) my later photo (from a slightly different angle) on the right:
I don't dislike it aesthetically but don't understand the piece. The tree's obviously not dead, it's just winter. It will be full of bud soon and leaves in summer. The tree is being looked after. What am I missing?
Your comments and question are fair. And interesting too.
The BBC article* posted yesterday offers a few quotes by James Peak (with whom I'm on good terms), including the following:
"The message is clear," he said. "Nature's struggling and it is up to us to help it grow back."
His is a very valid perspective.
However, I would qualify it by adding that other credible interpretations also exist.
And in this respect, the message perhaps isn't quite so clear.
Nor can we definitely say there is but one single message.
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The artist's work appeals to me most when it avoids being overly prescriptive. When it remains open to different and even contradictory meanings.
Already referred to above is the fact that the character's actions have resulted, not only in the wall being covered in green paint, but herself as well.
There might thus be a side theme of self‑defeating behaviour here.
Who knows? Maybe even a self‑reference.
Coming back to the tree itself, which, as you say, is still very much alive (having simply been pollarded or topped, albeit quite aggressively, given the thickness of the cut branches), I would suggest it adds to the interpretative richness of Banksy's piece.
Fresh leaves will soon be sprouting from that tree, meaning the woman's intervention was, at least arguably, little more than a short‑term, superficial fix. An act that would soon become redundant.
And so, beyond any "Nature needs our help"‑style message that viewers might immediately attribute to the artwork, there is possibly a recognition of our complementary duties โ not just to hastily take action to address the urgent issues that need addressing, but to do so in a responsible and informed manner. To ensure our efforts aren't simply wasted. Or worse, counterproductive and harmful.
This could be viewed as Banksy's cautionary note, including to activists who lead with the best of intentions, but without always putting in the time to think things fully through.
What is it they say about the road to hell?
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Alternatively, Banksy could just be using clever placement to have a good laugh.
Wish I had thought of this myself, but it sadly never even occurred to me.
Cheers for the insight.
[...] Thank you for the heads‑up. Hornsey Rd, Finsbury Park, London N19 4HT [...] Cheers for the helpful address. Much obliged. Somewhere, there's a Perspex seller planning early retirement. That made me chuckle. Thank you. I love this piece! although I don't think this is a Ban ksy. The technique is different from what he usually does. The green in the character is painted on top of the black and Banksy would paint it behind the black and keep open spaces in the black layer to let the green through. He would first paint the black layer for reference and paint the colored bits, then repaint the black layer again for the end result. A good example of his technique is in this video: www.instagram.com/tv/CMAHrGPFV2V/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==But this is only my 2 cents ;-) Some random points that come to mind: 1. Ban ksy's techniques have evolved, becoming increasingly multivarious and sophisticated. I've previously referred to him as being a stencil artist, but would now consider that description misleading. While the bulk of his work continues to be stencil‑based, many non‑stencil embellishing techniques have often been incorporated into his work, especially over the past decade โ such as freehand spraying with cans, hand‑spraying with spray bottles, and hand‑painting with brushes, rollers, even fingertips. 2. The techniques that Ban ksy opts for won't always be consistent. They are piece-dependent, chosen according to what will best suit each artwork. In this instance, one could say it is just the black paint that truly represents the body of the character holding the pressure sprayer. The green colours do not depict the woman herself (as would otherwise have been the case if flesh tones were included). They represent a partial failure, or at least a presumably-undesired consequence, of her intervention โ which has also resulted in her getting completely covered in paint. Consequently, it makes sense here that the greens were added on top of the black base layer. 3. As with the floor routine of a professional gymnast, Ban ksy makes his work look relatively easy or simple. Deceptively so, in my view. Even with the chosen palette, it isn't simply green and black. Three different colours of green were used: mint and sea green for the woman, and shamrock (mirroring Islington signage) for the replicated tree leaves: Thank you for posting. Those Ins tagram photos are interesting because they partially explain what was unclear to me on Sunday. The second photo doesn't actually show the installation in its finished state. Only the close‑up third photo looks to be of the completed piece. Water was applied in the interval, for added texture, shading and depth. Spot the differences: When viewing the work in person, I spent a while looking at the outline of the painted foliage. My mistaken assumption was that the leaves were done, not just with a pressure sprayer, but also with a brush or roller at the end of an extension pole. This impression was due to the vertical lines in white. The cleanliness of those lines was inconsistent with the result that would be achieved by a green-paint-filled fire extinguisher or pressure sprayer alone. I now realise those white lines were created by using water โ applied with a pressure sprayer to certain sections of the tree, and then allowed to drip down and dilute or wash away parts of the still‑wet green paint. Compare and contrast the treetop cropped images of: (a) Ban ksy's early, second Ins tagram photo on the left; versus (b) my later photo (from a slightly different angle) on the right: I don't dislike it aesthetically but don't understand the piece. The tree's obviously not dead, it's just winter. It will be full of bud soon and leaves in summer. The tree is being looked after. What am I missing? Your comments and question are fair. And interesting too. The BBC article* posted yesterday offers a few quotes by James Peak (with whom I'm on good terms), including the following: "The message is clear," he said. "Nature's struggling and it is up to us to help it grow back."His is a very valid perspective. However, I would qualify it by adding that other credible interpretations also exist. And in this respect, the message perhaps isn't quite so clear. Nor can we definitely say there is but one single message. __________ The artist's work appeals to me most when it avoids being overly prescriptive. When it remains open to different and even contradictory meanings. Already referred to above is the fact that the character's actions have resulted, not only in the wall being covered in green paint, but herself as well. There might thus be a side theme of self‑defeating behaviour here. Who knows? Maybe even a self‑reference. Coming back to the tree itself, which, as you say, is still very much alive (having simply been pollarded or topped, albeit quite aggressively, given the thickness of the cut branches), I would suggest it adds to the interpretative richness of Ban ksy's piece. Fresh leaves will soon be sprouting from that tree, meaning the woman's intervention was, at least arguably, little more than a short‑term, superficial fix. An act that would soon become redundant. And so, beyond any "Nature needs our help"‑style message that viewers might immediately attribute to the artwork, there is possibly a recognition of our complementary duties โ not just to hastily take action to address the urgent issues that need addressing, but to do so in a responsible and informed manner. To ensure our efforts aren't simply wasted. Or worse, counterproductive and harmful. This could be viewed as Ban ksy's cautionary note, including to activists who lead with the best of intentions, but without always putting in the time to think things fully through. What is it they say about the road to hell? __________ Alternatively, Ban ksy could just be using clever placement to have a good laugh. Wish I had thought of this myself, but it sadly never even occurred to me. Cheers for the insight.
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Mr Doodle ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by met on Feb 28, 2024 5:22:30 GMT 1,
Sorry to be blunt, but I can't see the value in these at all. Easily copied/replicated which make any provenance (including photos) virtually meaningless. Unless doodle himself authenticates them they are scribbles on plasterboard and nothing more.
I would consider Mr Doodle to be largely irrelevant as an artist.
That said, his marketing skills are excellent.
He certainly created a very media‑friendly and unthreatening, kooky identity for himself. In the process, he has also become somewhat of a pop‑culture and art‑market (as opposed to artistic) phenomenon.
Who knows how long his commercial success will last?
Style tends to distract or blind. And, at least in the short term, it can often be more seductive than substance.
In this respect, I would draw a parallel with Mr Brainwash.
The latter is another character who succeeded in capturing the imagination of (in my view) an undiscerning critical mass of collectors โ one that was also happy to buy easily‑digestible, sappy art.
In both cases, the public focus arguably remains more on the likeable cartoonish personas of the artists, than on the formulaic, derivative nature of their actual output as artists.
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The issues with this sale are nevertheless of interest to me.
They're comparable to the ones raised when a speculator bought the Faile Tower at Faile's 2010 Bedtime Stories show in New York, broke it up, and began selling the component parts separately.*
stylewars makes a compelling point about the need for authentication by Mr Doodle.
However, the easily‑copied nature of this work would only be of secondary concern if I were looking to make a purchase, because I have no serious reason to doubt it was created by the hand of the artist.
More problematic is the fact that, unless expressly and officially confirmed otherwise, this is not a Mr Doodle artwork and shouldn't be described or implied as such.
Rather, it is but one of many small sections of what was originally a much larger, single artwork. What was originally the complete artwork in its entirety.
But the overall whole was later cut into little pieces. And, presumably, this was done neither by Mr Doodle himself nor at his direction.
Some random third party will have thus usurped the prerogative of the artist. By chopping up the art, they:
(i) altered its size, layout and composition; and
(ii) changed its entire meaning (provided we can assume Mr Doodle's art has meaning).
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If I were the artist, I'd consider the original artwork to have been destroyed the very moment its integrity was compromised.
The separated smaller pieces are not, and were never meant to be, "artworks" in their own right with standalone compositions.
It wouldn't surprise me if Mr Doodle had therefore already disavowed them.
Hi. How many copies of this particular piece have you seen on the market? I was there to photograph the wall getting cut into sections. Is it so far fetched that a few sections are in my possession? Only the bottom right piece was signed, obviously. Bid accordingly.
Would it be correct to assume that you (or one of your colleagues) have already reached out to Mr Doodle about these chopped‑up pieces?
Perhaps hoping he might officially recognise them in their newly diminished state, and even authenticate each of them as separate works of art created by him?
If so, this would be relevant information of importance to any potential buyer โ and my guess would be that the artist either:
(a) declined to authenticate; or
(b) didn't even bother to reply.
Sorry to be blunt, but I can't see the value in these at all. Easily copied/replicated which make any provenance (including photos) virtually meaningless. Unless doodle himself authenticates them they are scribbles on plasterboard and nothing more.I would consider Mr Doodle to be largely irrelevant as an artist. That said, his marketing skills are excellent. He certainly created a very media‑friendly and unthreatening, kooky identity for himself. In the process, he has also become somewhat of a pop‑culture and art‑market (as opposed to artistic) phenomenon. Who knows how long his commercial success will last? Style tends to distract or blind. And, at least in the short term, it can often be more seductive than substance. In this respect, I would draw a parallel with Mr Brainwash. The latter is another character who succeeded in capturing the imagination of (in my view) an undiscerning critical mass of collectors โ one that was also happy to buy easily‑digestible, sappy art. In both cases, the public focus arguably remains more on the likeable cartoonish personas of the artists, than on the formulaic, derivative nature of their actual output as artists. __________ The issues with this sale are nevertheless of interest to me. They're comparable to the ones raised when a speculator bought the Faile Tower at Fa ile's 2010 Bedtime Stories show in New Y ork, broke it up, and began selling the component parts separately. *stylewars makes a compelling point about the need for authentication by Mr Doodle. However, the easily‑copied nature of this work would only be of secondary concern if I were looking to make a purchase, because I have no serious reason to doubt it was created by the hand of the artist. More problematic is the fact that, unless expressly and officially confirmed otherwise, this is not a Mr Doodle artwork and shouldn't be described or implied as such. Rather, it is but one of many small sections of what was originally a much larger, single artwork. What was originally the complete artwork in its entirety. But the overall whole was later cut into little pieces. And, presumably, this was done neither by Mr D oodle himself nor at his direction. Some random third party will have thus usurped the prerogative of the artist. By chopping up the art, they: (i) altered its size, layout and composition; and (ii) changed its entire meaning (provided we can assume Mr D oodle's art has meaning). __________ If I were the artist, I'd consider the original artwork to have been destroyed the very moment its integrity was compromised. The separated smaller pieces are not, and were never meant to be, "artworks" in their own right with standalone compositions. It wouldn't surprise me if Mr D oodle had therefore already disavowed them. Hi. How many copies of this particular piece have you seen on the market? I was there to photograph the wall getting cut into sections. Is it so far fetched that a few sections are in my possession? Only the bottom right piece was signed, obviously. Bid accordingly.Would it be correct to assume that you (or one of your colleagues) have already reached out to Mr D oodle about these chopped‑up pieces? Perhaps hoping he might officially recognise them in their newly diminished state, and even authenticate each of them as separate works of art created by him? If so, this would be relevant information of importance to any potential buyer โ and my guess would be that the artist either: (a) declined to authenticate; or (b) didn't even bother to reply.
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: INVADER SCREAM, by met on Feb 25, 2024 21:38:06 GMT 1, Note the width of the Lazarides Gallery blindstamp, from the far-left side of the 'L' to the far-right side of the 'S' โ versus the bottom-left of the Invaded Scream woodcut image by Invader.
Seven examples of authentic prints:
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Counterfeit print from the CharityStars eBay scam listing, where the fake blindstamp is around 20% wider than it should be.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285705750595
Note the width of the La zarides Gallery blindstamp, from the far-left side of the 'L' to the far-right side of the 'S' โ versus the bottom-left of the Invaded Scream woodcut image by Invader. Seven examples of authentic prints: 1234567Counterfeit print from the CharityStars eB ay scam listing, where the fake blindstamp is around 20% wider than it should be. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285705750595
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: INVADER SCREAM, by met on Feb 25, 2024 21:15:45 GMT 1, Tell.
There are plenty of other tells, but the size proportion of the blindstamp versus the print image is certainly one of them.
Nicely done.
Tell. There are plenty of other tells, but the size proportion of the blindstamp versus the print image is certainly one of them. Nicely done.
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: INVADER SCREAM, by met on Feb 25, 2024 20:40:33 GMT 1, If it helps this was the one on show at the Space exhibition
That is helpful. Thank you.
If it helps this was the one on show at the Space exhibition That is helpful. Thank you.
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WANTED โข What Art are you Searching for?, by met on Feb 25, 2024 3:39:47 GMT 1, Looking for a Banksy Flags Silver Ive always wanted to add one but the timing wasnt right Offering 6-7K depending on the condition which seems about right I will consider those that arent in perfect condition aswell as I know many suffer from condition problems which isnt an issue for me price dependant
Hope the pedantry below will be forgiven, perhaps on the basis that:
(a) it might be of future assistance (however trivial) to a couple of members; and
(b) as John Malkovich would insist, "It's beyond my control."
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The scope of this post is limited to offering corrections for two very minor typos, since they also seem unintentional:
1. Banksy Flags This reference could easily be down to repetition by other collectors. The mistitling of the artwork is so commonplace that some will naturally just assume it to be accurate.
[In a similar manner, I recall that, for years on the forum, Sotheby's was frequently being spelled Sotherby's.]
For anyone who has gotten into the habit of referring to the various prints and the original painting as Flags, take another look at the Banksy image. And then count how many flags it has.
2. price dependant
dependant is the noun (a person), whereas dependent is the adjective.
The two are examples of what I understand are called gaymobiles โ i.e. words that have the same pronunciation but different meanings or spellings.
Looking for a Banksy Flags Silver Ive always wanted to add one but the timing wasnt right Offering 6-7K depending on the condition which seems about right I will consider those that arent in perfect condition aswell as I know many suffer from condition problems which isnt an issue for me price dependantHope the pedantry below will be forgiven, perhaps on the basis that: (a) it might be of future assistance (however trivial) to a couple of members; and (b) as John Malkovich would insist, "It's beyond my control."__________ The scope of this post is limited to offering corrections for two very minor typos, since they also seem unintentional: 1. Banksy Flags This reference could easily be down to repetition by other collectors. The mistitling of the artwork is so commonplace that some will naturally just assume it to be accurate. [In a similar manner, I recall that, for years on the forum, Sotheby's was frequently being spelled Sotherby's.]For anyone who has gotten into the habit of referring to the various prints and the original painting as Flags, take another look at the Ban ksy image. And then count how many flags it has. 2. price dependantdependant is the noun (a person), whereas dependent is the adjective. The two are examples of what I understand are called gaymobiles โ i.e. words that have the same pronunciation but different meanings or spellings.
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: INVADER SCREAM, by met on Feb 20, 2024 21:19:59 GMT 1,
Many thanks for the link and confirmation.
I really should have checked eBay myself before even asking where the print was being sold.
For some reason, I just wrongly assumed it was offered to you directly in a non‑public sale.
The extra photos in that eBay listing, especially the close‑ups, are very helpful.
With this new information, I feel the first two of my previous three arguments* questioning the Lazarides blindstamp are weakened.
But the third argument, regarding the discrepancies in size/width proportions of the blindstamp in relation to the printed image, remains just as strong.
Will try to follow up with a more detailed explanation before the auction ends on Sunday.
But in brief โ even if we ignore the dishonest history and previous form of the seller, Charity Stars* โ I remain convinced the print is a counterfeit Invaded Scream. Albeit a counterfeit that is admittedly rather well executed.
A small update from my side. I was also interested and curious about this ebay listing. for me too it was suspicious about it's originality, i asked for the receipt and a coa if available. After no answer for the first time, i asked a second time and got this answer: "The proof of purchase will be shown to the auction winner prior to payment."
Well, this comes unexpectedโฆ
Cheers for this.
Just so I am clear on the point you're making, what is it about the answer from Charity Stars that is unexpected?
For me, the lack of specificity and apparent evasiveness with that reply are what I would expect from a scammer.
Many thanks for the link and confirmation. I really should have checked eB ay myself before even asking where the print was being sold. For some reason, I just wrongly assumed it was offered to you directly in a non‑public sale. The extra photos in that eB ay listing, especially the close‑ups, are very helpful. With this new information, I feel the first two of my previous three arguments * questioning the Lazarides blindstamp are weakened. But the third argument, regarding the discrepancies in size/width proportions of the blindstamp in relation to the printed image, remains just as strong. Will try to follow up with a more detailed explanation before the auction ends on Sunday. But in brief โ even if we ignore the dishonest history and previous form of the seller, Charity Stars* โ I remain convinced the print is a counterfeit Invaded Scream. Albeit a counterfeit that is admittedly rather well executed. A small update from my side. I was also interested and curious about this ebay listing. for me too it was suspicious about it's originality, i asked for the receipt and a coa if available. After no answer for the first time, i asked a second time and got this answer: "The proof of purchase will be shown to the auction winner prior to payment."
Well, this comes unexpectedโฆ Cheers for this. Just so I am clear on the point you're making, what is it about the answer from Charity Stars that is unexpected? For me, the lack of specificity and apparent evasiveness with that reply are what I would expect from a scammer.
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: INVADER SCREAM, by met on Feb 19, 2024 4:51:53 GMT 1, Can anyone tell me ( who already owns one and can check) if this is a legitimate invader scream? I canโt work out if there is too much border at the bottom and if the number looks right as the โ5โ looks different to another Iโve seen. Looking forward to the invader expertsโ thoughts? Thanks
Although I don't own one of these prints myself, I am familiar with it and have noticed a few counterfeits in circulation at some point or another.
Five years ago, Artnet was auctioning what looks to be an obvious fake*, which any attentive professional should really have spotted.
The Artnet counterfeit was probably a screenprint or giclรฉe reproduction, and it also came with a fake Lazarides blindstamp.
[NB: This would be another reminder of the potential dangers whenever we as collectors fail to carry out our own due diligence, and simply assume:
(a) all auction houses are reliable and have integrity;
(b) all auction houses have suitably-rigorous authentication-verification protocols in place, which are consistently applied for each and every proposed consignment (even when having to deal with dozens or hundreds of different consignments for a single sale); and/or
(c) the very fact they were hired by an auction house with name recognition must mean that all of the specialists who work there truly know what they're doing with respect to every artwork they accept on consignment.]
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Most longer‑term Invader collectors will already be aware that Invaded Scream is a woodcut.
An authentic print should therefore have identifiers consistent with a woodcut, like a slight texture in the printing and, at least with this specific multiple, a bit of textured roughness along the edges of the printed areas.
But such level of detail appears to be missing from the piece you were considering. It is especially noticeable when that print is compared side‑by‑side with some of the other online images of Invaded Scream.
Zoom in, for example, on the high‑res image of edition number 6/50*, which sold at a Christie's online sale in September 2023.
In fairness, certainty can be a little difficult to achieve from a single image shot in context, rather than multiple images including detailed close‑ups. And even more difficult when that one photo is slightly blurred (perhaps a deliberate, cynical choice by the seller).
The fact this photo was taken at an angle, instead of straight‑on, also makes it trickier to assess the correctness of the proportions of the printed areas versus those of the paper substrate, dated signature, and blindstamp.
All that said, and despite it being out of focus, I am confident the Lazarides blindstamp (and thus the print itself) is fake:
(i) the embossing of the letters looks more rounded than it should;
(ii) the letter 'L' seems to be missing the old Lazarides logo paint splash; and
(iii) most damningly, the overall width of the blindstamp (in relation to the diagonal pattern/linework at the bottom‑left corner of the print image) is too large.
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In my view, steering well clear of this print would be the wisest move to make.
If you know the relevant seller's name, or just their username, please do share it here as well โ along with the sale platform from which the print will most likely be offloaded onto some poor dupe of an Invader fan.
Can anyone tell me ( who already owns one and can check) if this is a legitimate invader scream? I canโt work out if there is too much border at the bottom and if the number looks right as the โ5โ looks different to another Iโve seen. Looking forward to the invader expertsโ thoughts? Thanks Although I don't own one of these prints myself, I am familiar with it and have noticed a few counterfeits in circulation at some point or another. Five years ago, Artnet was auctioning what looks to be an obvious fake*, which any attentive professional should really have spotted. The Art net counterfeit was probably a screenprint or giclรฉe reproduction, and it also came with a fake La zarides blindstamp. [NB: This would be another reminder of the potential dangers whenever we as collectors fail to carry out our own due diligence, and simply assume:
(a) all auction houses are reliable and have integrity;
(b) all auction houses have suitably-rigorous authentication-verification protocols in place, which are consistently applied for each and every proposed consignment (even when having to deal with dozens or hundreds of different consignments for a single sale); and/or
(c) the very fact they were hired by an auction house with name recognition must mean that all of the specialists who work there truly know what they're doing with respect to every artwork they accept on consignment.]__________ Most longer‑term In vader collectors will already be aware that Invaded Scream is a woodcut. An authentic print should therefore have identifiers consistent with a woodcut, like a slight texture in the printing and, at least with this specific multiple, a bit of textured roughness along the edges of the printed areas. But such level of detail appears to be missing from the piece you were considering. It is especially noticeable when that print is compared side‑by‑side with some of the other online images of Invaded Scream. Zoom in, for example, on the high‑res image of edition number 6/50 *, which sold at a Ch ristie's online sale in September 2023. In fairness, certainty can be a little difficult to achieve from a single image shot in context, rather than multiple images including detailed close‑ups. And even more difficult when that one photo is slightly blurred (perhaps a deliberate, cynical choice by the seller). The fact this photo was taken at an angle, instead of straight‑on, also makes it trickier to assess the correctness of the proportions of the printed areas versus those of the paper substrate, dated signature, and blindstamp. All that said, and despite it being out of focus, I am confident the Lazarides blindstamp (and thus the print itself) is fake: (i) the embossing of the letters looks more rounded than it should; (ii) the letter 'L' seems to be missing the old La zarides logo paint splash; and (iii) most damningly, the overall width of the blindstamp (in relation to the diagonal pattern/linework at the bottom‑left corner of the print image) is too large. __________ In my view, steering well clear of this print would be the wisest move to make. If you know the relevant seller's name, or just their username, please do share it here as well โ along with the sale platform from which the print will most likely be offloaded onto some poor dupe of an In vader fan.
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Santas Ghetto 2002 - Dragon Bar, by met on Feb 18, 2024 5:50:33 GMT 1, Unsure if this has been shared on here, however i've just finished reading the Dragon Bar Book and it's truely brilliant if you're in any way interested in street art. The book is an oral history of the Londonโs iconic Dragon Bar featuring contributions from the pioneers of street art, including Banksy, Faile, INVADER, ELK, Mode 2, EINE, Lucie Flynn, CEPT, Sweet Toof, AIKO, James Jessop and many more. It wasnโt obvious at the time that the Dragon Bar in Londonโs Old Street was to be an era-defining place filled with decade-defining artists. No one knew these people would go on to do the things they did but when we looked back, and asked around, the artists agreed. The Dragon Bar was a moment in art history that deserves a book about it... The Dragon Bar toilets were legendarily graffitied, there were block parties out the back and the gallery space upstairs was given to artists for free. Banksy had his first ever London show there, Faile and Bรคst had their first UK shows there, INVADER stuck one of his space invaders outside. And then it mysteriously burned downโฆ You can buy it here: link
[img src="" src="https://www.dropbox.com/s/5i9ecuhvqo8s865/The%20Dragon%20Bar%20Book%20Still%20Life%20Photos.zip?dl=0&e=11&file_subpath=%2FThe+Dragon+Bar+Book+Still+Life+Photos%2FThe+Dragon+Bar+Book+Jones+Duffy+18.jpg" alt=""]
By chance, do you work in a creative field?
The style of the photographs you've taken of this book suggests you may be in graphic design, or possibly marketing.
Unsure if this has been shared on here, however i've just finished reading the Dragon Bar Book and it's truely brilliant if you're in any way interested in street art. The book is an oral history of the Londonโs iconic Dragon Bar featuring contributions from the pioneers of street art, including Banksy, Faile, INVADER, ELK, Mode 2, EINE, Lucie Flynn, CEPT, Sweet Toof, AIKO, James Jessop and many more. It wasnโt obvious at the time that the Dragon Bar in Londonโs Old Street was to be an era-defining place filled with decade-defining artists. No one knew these people would go on to do the things they did but when we looked back, and asked around, the artists agreed. The Dragon Bar was a moment in art history that deserves a book about it... The Dragon Bar toilets were legendarily graffitied, there were block parties out the back and the gallery space upstairs was given to artists for free. Banksy had his first ever London show there, Faile and Bรคst had their first UK shows there, INVADER stuck one of his space invaders outside. And then it mysteriously burned downโฆ You can buy it here: link
[img src="" src="https://www.dropbox.com/s/5i9ecuhvqo8s865/The%20Dragon%20Bar%20Book%20Still%20Life%20Photos.zip?dl=0&e=11&file_subpath=%2FThe+Dragon+Bar+Book+Still+Life+Photos%2FThe+Dragon+Bar+Book+Jones+Duffy+18.jpg" alt=""] By chance, do you work in a creative field? The style of the photographs you've taken of this book suggests you may be in graphic design, or possibly marketing.
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Banksy Morons Print, by met on Feb 10, 2024 23:23:30 GMT 1, Hi everyone, I had a donuts print from original Ban ksy raffle I sold it in 2016 to help with house purchase. I am now thinking of buying a morons print to replace it as I prefer it. This purchase would be more for the art itself. I would like to hear from anyone considering selling. I would also like to hear from knowledgeable people if there is any particular version of the morons print would be better to buy and why. I might be looking for print I like but still looking for best value. Tx Martin Definitely prefer sepia. But if signature doesnโt matter then I would go for an LA with the gold frame.
Don't forget the six sets of Modern Multiples printer's proofs from Los Angeles, which are all signed.
In addition to clarifying whether he or she prefers signed or unsigned, it may be helpful for us to have an idea of bolovski's budget.
Because, perhaps unsurprisingly, the most interesting Morons edition by Banksy also happens to be the most expensive.
In October 2020, the rather nice print below sold at the Phillips London* for over one million pounds sterling:
Hi everyone, I had a donuts print from original Ban ksy raffle I sold it in 2016 to help with house purchase. I am now thinking of buying a morons print to replace it as I prefer it. This purchase would be more for the art itself. I would like to hear from anyone considering selling. I would also like to hear from knowledgeable people if there is any particular version of the morons print would be better to buy and why. I might be looking for print I like but still looking for best value. Tx Martin Definitely prefer sepia. But if signature doesnโt matter then I would go for an LA with the gold frame. Don't forget the six sets of Modern Multiples printer's proofs from Los Angeles, which are all signed. In addition to clarifying whether he or she prefers signed or unsigned, it may be helpful for us to have an idea of bolovski's budget. Because, perhaps unsurprisingly, the most interesting Morons edition by Ban ksy also happens to be the most expensive. In October 2020, the rather nice print below sold at the Phil lips Lon don * for over one million pounds sterling:
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Damien Hirst H10 โข The Empresses, by met on Feb 9, 2024 4:36:18 GMT 1, Feeling sorry for the buyer yesterday at ยฃ11k.This set finished on ebay this morningโฆ
Unless it was the ghost of Liberace, I'd feel a bit sad for anyone who chose to hang this garish wallpaper at home โ regardless of the price they paid.
Feeling sorry for the buyer yesterday at ยฃ11k.This set finished on ebay this morningโฆ Unless it was the ghost of Liberace, I'd feel a bit sad for anyone who chose to hang this garish wallpaper at home โ regardless of the price they paid.
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Invader Alert 2020 Print, by met on Feb 9, 2024 3:55:59 GMT 1, Looking to sell... In vader Alert Blue/Special In vader Alert Red Looking for ยฃ3700 each plus ship and fees. Can ship worldwide. Both purchased from MGLC Ljubljana. Stored flat. Many thanks
Bit of a hard image to love and a few fakes have possibly muddied the water on them Probably getting close to value now tho fakes are one of the biggest concerns with in vader (especially releases like this which don't have a lot of complexity vs embossed) .... add in a new member and it gets dicey. disagree on the image though. love it. still wish it was embossed. as for pricing.... sales have been closer to ยฃ2.5K - ยฃ3K
The level of appreciation for these prints will to some extent be generational.
And dependent upon the personal preference of each viewer in home‑computer brands, or their cultural reference points more broadly.
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Many Invader fans, especially younger ones, will be unaware that the Alert image is likely also a tribute piece. A homage to the work of a fellow pixel‑style artist and creative.
Consider the collectors who have never heard of the name Susan Kare*. Or those who are oblivious of the classic graphics and iconography that Invader is referencing so directly.
Of course, such collectors may still have genuine enthusiasm for Alert.
But their appreciation will be rather superficial โ since our ability to fully understand an artwork is naturally hindered if we are ignorant of its context or historical allusions.
1984 portrait of Susan Kare by Norman Seeff, taken for Rolling Stone magazine
Early icon designs by Kare for Apple
Looking to sell... In vader Alert Blue/Special In vader Alert Red Looking for ยฃ3700 each plus ship and fees. Can ship worldwide. Both purchased from MGLC Ljubljana. Stored flat. Many thanks Bit of a hard image to love and a few fakes have possibly muddied the water on them Probably getting close to value now tho fakes are one of the biggest concerns with in vader (especially releases like this which don't have a lot of complexity vs embossed) .... add in a new member and it gets dicey. disagree on the image though. love it. still wish it was embossed. as for pricing.... sales have been closer to ยฃ2.5K - ยฃ3K The level of appreciation for these prints will to some extent be generational. And dependent upon the personal preference of each viewer in home‑computer brands, or their cultural reference points more broadly. __________ Many In vader fans, especially younger ones, will be unaware that the Alert image is likely also a tribute piece. A homage to the work of a fellow pixel‑style artist and creative. Consider the collectors who have never heard of the name Susan Kare*. Or those who are oblivious of the classic graphics and iconography that Inv ader is referencing so directly. Of course, such collectors may still have genuine enthusiasm for Alert. But their appreciation will be rather superficial โ since our ability to fully understand an artwork is naturally hindered if we are ignorant of its context or historical allusions. 1984 portrait of Susan Kare by Norman Seeff, taken for Rolling Stone magazineEarly icon designs by Kare for Apple
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VALUATION โข Art Valuation Advice, by met on Feb 7, 2024 18:15:25 GMT 1, I need honest opinions on Damien Hirst Virtous H9-6 Honour - thank you.
While not referring to your piece specifically, I would describe the entire series of The Virtues as one of many recent examples pointing to the decline of Damien Hirst as a creative.
For me, this is conceptually vacuous, substance-free work. And frankly boring, which is arguably the biggest crime of all.
It epitomises art strictly as decoration โ presumably bought by those who are less concerned about a piece having any real meaning to them, than about:
(a) the fame or name-recognition of its creator; and
(b) whether it will look good over the sofa.
If it weren't for the relatively-high price tag, such work would be scooped up by surburban housewives and grannies all across the country.
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I seem to recall an old interview with Hirst from the 1990s, in which he mentioned the recurring complaint of his mother was something along the lines of, "Why don't you ever just paint something nice?"
And here we are today. With a bunch of frigging cherry blossoms.
It may have taken him two or three decades but, at long last, Hirst (the former punk) is now creating the kind of art he knows will make mum happy.
I need honest opinions on Damien Hirst Virtous H9-6 Honour - thank you. While not referring to your piece specifically, I would describe the entire series of The Virtues as one of many recent examples pointing to the decline of Damien Hirst as a creative. For me, this is conceptually vacuous, substance-free work. And frankly boring, which is arguably the biggest crime of all. It epitomises art strictly as decoration โ presumably bought by those who are less concerned about a piece having any real meaning to them, than about: (a) the fame or name-recognition of its creator; and (b) whether it will look good over the sofa. If it weren't for the relatively-high price tag, such work would be scooped up by surburban housewives and grannies all across the country. __________ I seem to recall an old interview with Hi rst from the 1990s, in which he mentioned the recurring complaint of his mother was something along the lines of, "Why don't you ever just paint something nice?"And here we are today. With a bunch of frigging cherry blossoms. It may have taken him two or three decades but, at long last, Hi rst (the former punk) is now creating the kind of art he knows will make mum happy.
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Jeff Koons ๐บ๐ธ Balloon Dog โข Sculpture โข Art For Sale, by met on Feb 6, 2024 21:15:13 GMT 1, I think Martin Creed beat him to this idea. (Yes, I know itโs a jokeโฆ but for real, didnโt Martin Creed do an edition of scrunched paper!?)
Work No. 88
I think Martin Creed beat him to this idea. (Yes, I know itโs a jokeโฆ but for real, didnโt Martin Creed do an edition of scrunched paper!?) Work No. 88
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on Jan 30, 2024 15:47:54 GMT 1, Morning - After the following, happy to pay market rates must have COA Morons GWB Unsigned Nola Barcode Laugh Now Flower Thrower (signed or unsigned) No Ball Games Grey Stop and Search Trolleys VLH
If you are indeed happy to pay market rates, I am confident most of these Banksy prints could be acquired today from auction houses, galleries and private dealers.
Morning - After the following, happy to pay market rates must have COA Morons GWB Unsigned Nola Barcode Laugh Now Flower Thrower (signed or unsigned) No Ball Games Grey Stop and Search Trolleys VLH If you are indeed happy to pay market rates, I am confident most of these Ban ksy prints could be acquired today from auction houses, galleries and private dealers.
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George Condo ๐บ๐ธ New Print Release โข Print For Sale, by met on Jan 30, 2024 15:32:27 GMT 1,
Dear Jerry, Can you explain why so many people love the George Condo exhibition at the New Museum? -- Aaron Holtz Dear Aaron, Among living artists, George Condo may be the most embraced by the powers that be. The Times called his New Museum show "sensational." That was just the beginning. Collectors love Condoโs paintings and buy them by the hundreds. New ones go for upwards of $450,000, and everything he makes sells. A recent New Yorker profile mentioned that Condo lives in luxury, collects Louis XVI furniture, hangs out with Kanye West, has two Upper East Side townhouses, loves expensive wines, gambles huge amounts of money and has a chauffeur-driven limousine. Curators love Condo, too. Heโs one of the few painterly painters included in our usually painting-bereft biennials. Iโm thrilled that the New Museum is having a success, and I admire the curators of the show, Laura Hoptman and Ralph Rugoff; however, to me, Condo is a zombie -- a very limited, ironic, art-about-art artist whose work sounds the same visually derivative, technically generic notes over and over again. He provides almost no internal or psychic depth, instead giving people a sense of being in on some art-world in-jokes about style, tradition, kitsch and appropriation. The top floor of Condoโs show is the better of the two, because it blatantly imparts his deep content. More than 50 portraits hang here, floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Your eyes dart from one to another, checking out his repertoire of creepy creatures, loony goons, naked ladies and art-world knockoffs. Many of these pictures look like the sort of neo-surreal work that was typical in the East Village in the 1980s, or the cartoony paintings of Kenny Scharf. A few are good, like Spanish Head Composition and a number of earlier, denser small works. But mostly you donโt have to look at any one painting here for more than a few seconds. Thatโs all they demand. People always say Condo is a "virtuoso painter." The second-floor display gives the lie to this claim. Condo is an enthusiastic confident drawer who paints in high-keyed funky color with flourish. But he is simply deft and dexterous, aping R. Crumb and Philip Guston without any of the gutsiness or exposed inner life of these artists. Mainly you get the same fiendish figures in various styles. Condo does have a feel for grotesque in human physiognomy. I often find myself at cocktail parties, fantasizing that the person Iโm talking to is some sort of Condo monster. Yet because Condoโs monsters turn into a cast of characters, they are defanged. Any idea of the grotesque is replaced by burlesque and shtick. Condoโs is well-done work for a time still jittery about painting, weaned on idiotic ideas that itโs somehow suspect, that it can only be good if it makes jokes or comments about itself. This sort of deconstructionism has been done to death, and is so familiar and enfeebled that it can barely lift the gun to its own head. At his best, Condo is not much more than Koons-lite, a safe Schnabel, a more ingratiating Richard Prince. But thereโs a wonderful surprise ending to this show. Downstairs from Condoโs show at the New Museum is the radically fabulous survey of Lynda Benglis -- whose work from 1969 to 1975 is so fecund, fresh, relevant and prescient that she saves the day, letting you see that she predicts numerous contemporary artists from Urs Fischer and Isa Genzken to Rachel Harrison and Franz West. Among the mounds, glow-in-the-dark wall protuberances, and Mardi Gras-like peacock headdresses, donโt miss the large bronze, curved, double-headed, and veined dildo nailed to the wall, titled Smile. I wore one (the smile, not the dildo) when I left the New Museum.
Thank you for posting.
An entertaining and insightful critique by Jerry Saltz of the 2011 New Museum show, George Condo: Mental States, as well as of the artist's lifestyle, market and collector/institutional appeal.
How good is the second sentence in the penultimate paragraph? Underlining added for ease of reference:
Condoโs is well-done work for a time still jittery about painting, weaned on idiotic ideas that itโs somehow suspect, that it can only be good if it makes jokes or comments about itself. This sort of deconstructionism has been done to death, and is so familiar and enfeebled that it can barely lift the gun to its own head. At his best, Condo is not much more than Koons-lite, a safe Schnabel, a more ingratiating Richard Prince.
Wish I had come up with that turn of phrase. [Note to self: Work harder.]
And let's not ignore the cleverness of the final paragraph:
Saltz embraces the trope of ending a piece on a high note, by writing something uplifting or otherwise positive.
But at the same time, he subverts that trope. All of his praise is directed, not at the primary subject matter, but towards the exhibition of an entirely different artist, Lynda Benglis.
Whether merited or not, such an insult to Condo was beautifully crafted.
Dear Jerry, Can you explain why so many people love the George Condo exhibition at the New Museum? -- Aaron Holtz Dear Aaron, Among living artists, George Condo may be the most embraced by the powers that be. The Times called his New Museum show "sensational." That was just the beginning. Collectors love Condoโs paintings and buy them by the hundreds. New ones go for upwards of $450,000, and everything he makes sells. A recent New Yorker profile mentioned that Condo lives in luxury, collects Louis XVI furniture, hangs out with Kanye West, has two Upper East Side townhouses, loves expensive wines, gambles huge amounts of money and has a chauffeur-driven limousine. Curators love Condo, too. Heโs one of the few painterly painters included in our usually painting-bereft biennials. Iโm thrilled that the New Museum is having a success, and I admire the curators of the show, Laura Hoptman and Ralph Rugoff; however, to me, Condo is a zombie -- a very limited, ironic, art-about-art artist whose work sounds the same visually derivative, technically generic notes over and over again. He provides almost no internal or psychic depth, instead giving people a sense of being in on some art-world in-jokes about style, tradition, kitsch and appropriation. The top floor of Condoโs show is the better of the two, because it blatantly imparts his deep content. More than 50 portraits hang here, floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Your eyes dart from one to another, checking out his repertoire of creepy creatures, loony goons, naked ladies and art-world knockoffs. Many of these pictures look like the sort of neo-surreal work that was typical in the East Village in the 1980s, or the cartoony paintings of Kenny Scharf. A few are good, like Spanish Head Composition and a number of earlier, denser small works. But mostly you donโt have to look at any one painting here for more than a few seconds. Thatโs all they demand. People always say Condo is a "virtuoso painter." The second-floor display gives the lie to this claim. Condo is an enthusiastic confident drawer who paints in high-keyed funky color with flourish. But he is simply deft and dexterous, aping R. Crumb and Philip Guston without any of the gutsiness or exposed inner life of these artists. Mainly you get the same fiendish figures in various styles. Condo does have a feel for grotesque in human physiognomy. I often find myself at cocktail parties, fantasizing that the person Iโm talking to is some sort of Condo monster. Yet because Condoโs monsters turn into a cast of characters, they are defanged. Any idea of the grotesque is replaced by burlesque and shtick. Condoโs is well-done work for a time still jittery about painting, weaned on idiotic ideas that itโs somehow suspect, that it can only be good if it makes jokes or comments about itself. This sort of deconstructionism has been done to death, and is so familiar and enfeebled that it can barely lift the gun to its own head. At his best, Condo is not much more than Koons-lite, a safe Schnabel, a more ingratiating Richard Prince. But thereโs a wonderful surprise ending to this show. Downstairs from Condoโs show at the New Museum is the radically fabulous survey of Lynda Benglis -- whose work from 1969 to 1975 is so fecund, fresh, relevant and prescient that she saves the day, letting you see that she predicts numerous contemporary artists from Urs Fischer and Isa Genzken to Rachel Harrison and Franz West. Among the mounds, glow-in-the-dark wall protuberances, and Mardi Gras-like peacock headdresses, donโt miss the large bronze, curved, double-headed, and veined dildo nailed to the wall, titled Smile. I wore one (the smile, not the dildo) when I left the New Museum. Thank you for posting. An entertaining and insightful critique by Jerry Saltz of the 2011 New Museum show, George Condo: Mental States, as well as of the artist's lifestyle, market and collector/institutional appeal. How good is the second sentence in the penultimate paragraph? Underlining added for ease of reference: Condoโs is well-done work for a time still jittery about painting, weaned on idiotic ideas that itโs somehow suspect, that it can only be good if it makes jokes or comments about itself. This sort of deconstructionism has been done to death, and is so familiar and enfeebled that it can barely lift the gun to its own head. At his best, Condo is not much more than Koons-lite, a safe Schnabel, a more ingratiating Richard Prince.Wish I had come up with that turn of phrase. [Note to self: Work harder.]And let's not ignore the cleverness of the final paragraph: Saltz embraces the trope of ending a piece on a high note, by writing something uplifting or otherwise positive. But at the same time, he subverts that trope. All of his praise is directed, not at the primary subject matter, but towards the exhibition of an entirely different artist, Lynda Benglis. Whether merited or not, such an insult to Con do was beautifully crafted.
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Blek le rat โข The last day of your life, by met on Jan 29, 2024 17:52:19 GMT 1, During my last days in Pa ris, I saw this one in real, gigantic canvas. This print is awesome too ! But, I reproach as to most of the artists to donโt give the price of the edition ?! Why these secrets ?! Itโs stupid ! Anyway great print to catch for those having money ( I guess ) in few days ! http://instagram.com/p/C2p7FXjKQtE
The book looks more interesting to me than the print.
It's a bit cheaper as well.
Buy on Amazon here.
During my last days in Pa ris, I saw this one in real, gigantic canvas. This print is awesome too ! But, I reproach as to most of the artists to donโt give the price of the edition ?! Why these secrets ?! Itโs stupid ! Anyway great print to catch for those having money ( I guess ) in few days ! http://instagram.com/p/C2p7FXjKQtE The book looks more interesting to me than the print. It's a bit cheaper as well. Buy on Am azon here.
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by met on Jan 23, 2024 16:25:40 GMT 1, Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay?
You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here.
And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur.
Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide.
It leaves me curious about your mindset.
Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers โ sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options.
What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours?
Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Artscapy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees.
If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Artscapy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism.
That doesn't inspire confidence.
Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay? You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here. And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur. Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide. It leaves me curious about your mindset. Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers โ sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options. What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours? Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Arts capy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees. If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Arts capy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism. That doesn't inspire confidence.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Jan 22, 2024 21:27:20 GMT 1, This is all a bit nauseating now.
When was it not?
I must have been asleep at the time.
This is all a bit nauseating now. When was it not? I must have been asleep at the time.
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VINYL JUNKIES, by met on Jan 22, 2024 21:23:07 GMT 1, Why are you promoting Horizons music? They've already ripped you off once! Nothing they offer for sale is in stock.
Moreover, this album is unofficial.
Unauthorised by Danger Mouse. And using stolen Banksy images for the sleeve.
It is regrettable to find this nonsense being promoted here.
But if any forum members are drawn to stolen Banksy imagery and comfortable offering their financial support to parasitic chancers, then, while they're at it, they might as well also stock up on greeting cards from Full Colour Black.
Why are you promoting Horizons music? They've already ripped you off once! Nothing they offer for sale is in stock. Moreover, this album is unofficial. Unauthorised by Danger Mouse. And using stolen Ban ksy images for the sleeve. It is regrettable to find this nonsense being promoted here. But if any for um members are drawn to stolen Ban ksy imagery and comfortable offering their financial support to parasitic chancers, then, while they're at it, they might as well also stock up on greeting cards from Full Colour Black.
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The Collection of Sir Elton John: Opening Night, by met on Jan 22, 2024 17:41:26 GMT 1, Did any of the several council workers happen to mention why team Banksy would still be maintaining a vested interest in what happens at WSM? And why the council would do what Paul Insect wants them too? From the sound of things they wanted to put on another urban art show at The Tropicana... and I imagine that Banksy didn't want something like that happening if he wasn't involved. Not sure if they wanted to use the Dismaland name, or anything else, but I guess there was a fear that a second rate version could tarnish Banksy/Dismaland if the public weren't fully aware this was a separate event. Similar, I guess, if I were to contact Reading/Glastonbury council about running a music festival there on a year they weren't holding their usual festival... People might confuse it for the real thing. They allowed Wormwood Rocks to hold an art exhibition at The Tropicana after Dismaland. Just ignore the sob stories. Anyway - once again another thread has been sidetracked by the forum lunatic. Unless any future comments relate to Elton John this thread should be ignored. P.S. drip - your posts are pure genius and have me in stitches ๐คฃ Thank you. I'm quite needy, so this is much appreciated, cheers.
In which case, I'll add that your eating an out-of-date yoghurt / Greek tragedy quip* was very good and didn't get the recognition it deserved.
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Returning to the issue in question, I truly hope nobody believes the handwritten year on the actual triptych gifted to Elton John was changed at any point.
The back of the left panel is dated 2017. It has never been dated other than 2017.
And so, what we have here is a not-uncommon situation where a Christie's cataloguer (one of the most boring, junior and poorly-paid positions at an auction house) typed and then retyped an incorrect date of execution in the original sales listing.
JPS looks to have noticed the typo, and is clearly feeling pleased with himself.
This is understandable. There are occasions when even my robotic self feels a warm glow after noticing someone else's mistake. For example, if they write "affect", when they really mean "effect".
That said, I would argue JPS could make less of a song and dance about his keen observational skills.
To be clear, there isn't an issue with him telling the world, "Haha. Christie's first wrote "2010", and then they had to fix the date. You see? Look at my 'Before' and 'After' screenshots. Didn't I tell you? 2017: I was right all along!".
However, the BREAKING NEWS: Internet Sleuth Discovers Wrong Date On Web Page story has been dragging on for at least three days, across four thread pages on this message board.
Yes, we can all agree JPS spotted a typo.
In this respect, jolly good. Let him take his win. It merits a gold star sticker, at the very least.
But after three days, perhaps it's time for him to move on?
I don't recall so much crowing having been done by Watson and Crick.
Did any of the several council workers happen to mention why team Banksy would still be maintaining a vested interest in what happens at WSM? And why the council would do what Paul Insect wants them too? From the sound of things they wanted to put on another urban art show at The Tropicana... and I imagine that Banksy didn't want something like that happening if he wasn't involved. Not sure if they wanted to use the Dismaland name, or anything else, but I guess there was a fear that a second rate version could tarnish Banksy/Dismaland if the public weren't fully aware this was a separate event. Similar, I guess, if I were to contact Reading/Glastonbury council about running a music festival there on a year they weren't holding their usual festival... People might confuse it for the real thing. They allowed Wormwood Rocks to hold an art exhibition at The Tropicana after Dismaland. Just ignore the sob stories. Anyway - once again another thread has been sidetracked by the forum lunatic. Unless any future comments relate to Elton John this thread should be ignored. P.S. drip - your posts are pure genius and have me in stitches ๐คฃ Thank you. I'm quite needy, so this is much appreciated, cheers. In which case, I'll add that your eating an out-of-date yoghurt / Greek tragedy quip * was very good and didn't get the recognition it deserved. __________ Returning to the issue in question, I truly hope nobody believes the handwritten year on the actual triptych gifted to Elton John was changed at any point. The back of the left panel is dated 2017. It has never been dated other than 2017. And so, what we have here is a not-uncommon situation where a Ch ristie's cataloguer (one of the most boring, junior and poorly-paid positions at an auction house) typed and then retyped an incorrect date of execution in the original sales listing. JPS looks to have noticed the typo, and is clearly feeling pleased with himself. This is understandable. There are occasions when even my robotic self feels a warm glow after noticing someone else's mistake. For example, if they write "affect", when they really mean "effect". That said, I would argue JPS could make less of a song and dance about his keen observational skills. To be clear, there isn't an issue with him telling the world, "Haha. Christie's first wrote "2010", and then they had to fix the date. You see? Look at my 'Before' and 'After' screenshots. Didn't I tell you? 2017: I was right all along!". However, the BREAKING NEWS: Internet Sleuth Discovers Wrong Date On Web Page story has been dragging on for at least three days, across four thread pages on this message board. Yes, we can all agree JPS spotted a typo. In this respect, jolly good. Let him take his win. It merits a gold star sticker, at the very least. But after three days, perhaps it's time for him to move on? I don't recall so much crowing having been done by Watson and Crick.
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Loads of great pieces, I REALLY need to sell. Prices reduced, by met on Jan 22, 2024 8:38:36 GMT 1, It's just a tiny bit annoying, but then there is really nothing going on in this forum, so no big deal What annoys me the most is that I have to see the thread photo all the time: and I don't mind the work but it's a terrible photo Apologies for my shit photo......๐, someone else I've annoyed. Sorry. Please do not apologize to all the loosers on here โฆ You do what you want you post the piks you want and so on ! The assholes in question donโt buy they are broke and have a shit collection if any for the most. GLWTS !
On the whole, an unfortunate post:
(a) the propensity to lash out;
(b) a tone of red-faced shrillness; and
(c) wanton insults directed at "all the losers" here.
Query what purpose this type of thing can serve โ other than to suggest (or confirm) to others that the author of the post, at best, has difficulty controlling their emotions.
It's just a tiny bit annoying, but then there is really nothing going on in this forum, so no big deal What annoys me the most is that I have to see the thread photo all the time: and I don't mind the work but it's a terrible photo Apologies for my shit photo......๐, someone else I've annoyed. Sorry. Please do not apologize to all the loosers on here โฆ You do what you want you post the piks you want and so on ! The assholes in question donโt buy they are broke and have a shit collection if any for the most. GLWTS ! On the whole, an unfortunate post: (a) the propensity to lash out; (b) a tone of red-faced shrillness; and (c) wanton insults directed at "all the losers" here. Query what purpose this type of thing can serve โ other than to suggest (or confirm) to others that the author of the post, at best, has difficulty controlling their emotions.
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The Collection of Sir Elton John: Opening Night, by met on Jan 20, 2024 19:27:37 GMT 1, Fair play to JPS on this one, looks like he got knocked for this and he was on it.
Although I understand your point as to the stated date of execution, the conclusion you might be drawing from it (if any) remains unclear to me.
This Christie's sale is a live auction. All the lots are consigned at 20 Rockefeller Plaza in New York.
Now, query the likelihood of an artwork being tampered with after its physical consignment at such a secure location.
Specifically, how plausible would the suggestion be that a nefarious individual or entity went around and changed the date written on the back of one of the canvases? From Banksy 2010 to Banksy 2017.
My impression is that it's possible JPS may genuinely believe he has opened the world's eyes and exposed some kind of conspiracy. Perhaps even a conspiracy by members of the Illuminati, who spend their days scheming โ coming up with ways to both defraud collectors and destroy JPS's career as an artist.
I would instead put forward an alternative scenario, even if disappointingly mundane in comparison:
After being notified of a repeated date typo on one of its web pages, Christie's corrected the typo.
Fair play to JPS on this one, looks like he got knocked for this and he was on it. Although I understand your point as to the stated date of execution, the conclusion you might be drawing from it (if any) remains unclear to me. This Chris tie's sale is a live auction. All the lots are consigned at 20 Rockefeller Plaza in Ne w York. Now, query the likelihood of an artwork being tampered with after its physical consignment at such a secure location. Specifically, how plausible would the suggestion be that a nefarious individual or entity went around and changed the date written on the back of one of the canvases? From Banksy 2010 to Banksy 2017. My impression is that it's possible JPS may genuinely believe he has opened the world's eyes and exposed some kind of conspiracy. Perhaps even a conspiracy by members of the Illuminati, who spend their days scheming โ coming up with ways to both defraud collectors and destroy JPS's career as an artist. I would instead put forward an alternative scenario, even if disappointingly mundane in comparison: After being notified of a repeated date typo on one of its web pages, Christie's corrected the typo.
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FS Shepard Fairey, Faile, Mau Mau, Buff Monster, Spear , by met on Jan 20, 2024 11:11:12 GMT 1, More details on the Mauro C Martinez original. ยฃ150 plus delivery. Current show at Unit London with works at several thousand pounds. Grab yourself a bargain. 38cm x 25cm oil on cradled panel. [...]
You are quite fortunate.
Where I'm staying, we aren't allowed to hang anything.
And the rubber on our walls is completely smooth, with no embossed pattern, apparently to "minimise the risk of injury".
EDIT: Are you guys allowed to wear shoelaces over there?
More details on the Mauro C Martinez original. ยฃ150 plus delivery. Current show at Unit London with works at several thousand pounds. Grab yourself a bargain. 38cm x 25cm oil on cradled panel. [...] You are quite fortunate. Where I'm staying, we aren't allowed to hang anything. And the rubber on our walls is completely smooth, with no embossed pattern, apparently to "minimise the risk of injury". EDIT: Are you guys allowed to wear shoelaces over there?
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Your best 2023 buy!!, by met on Jan 7, 2024 10:27:30 GMT 1, Few faves of 2023 for me [...] Been a shit year for investment but a great year to grow a collection, it probably would of cost me 3x what I spent to buy some of these works 2 years ago, and they probably will fall further. Who is the top one please LJCal?
Don't know the answer, but looks to me like the style of Gerhard Richter from the 1960s.
Few faves of 2023 for me [...] Been a shit year for investment but a great year to grow a collection, it probably would of cost me 3x what I spent to buy some of these works 2 years ago, and they probably will fall further. Who is the top one please LJCal? Don't know the answer, but looks to me like the style of Gerhard Richter from the 1960s.
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FS or Trade Banksy, Invader, Hirst, Warhol,Kaws +More, by met on Jan 5, 2024 23:52:37 GMT 1, I'm after a Pejac New Wave and Weiwei Coke vase if anyone wants to propose a swap.
It may be that you are being deliberately casual and familiar (or overfamiliar) in your writing style.
We do on occasion see this here. Some forum members will, for example, refer to another contemporary artist as simply, "Damien".
But a separate possibility is that you might be uninformed about the Eastern name order โ which, at least with Chinese names, the Western media (rather surprisingly) tends to preserve.
So just in case you were unaware โ and for the possible benefit of others who could be in a similar position โ in many East Asian countries, as well as in Hungary, the surname comes first, followed by the given name.
For the artist Ai Weiwei:
Ai = surname / family name / last name
Weiwei = given name / personal name / first name
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Class dismissed. Let's get back to recess.
I'm after a Pejac New Wave and Weiwei Coke vase if anyone wants to propose a swap. It may be that you are being deliberately casual and familiar (or overfamiliar) in your writing style. We do on occasion see this here. Some fo rum members will, for example, refer to another contemporary artist as simply, "Damien". But a separate possibility is that you might be uninformed about the Eastern name order โ which, at least with Chinese names, the Western media (rather surprisingly) tends to preserve. So just in case you were unaware โ and for the possible benefit of others who could be in a similar position โ in many East Asian countries, as well as in Hungary, the surname comes first, followed by the given name. For the artist Ai Weiwei: Ai = surname / family name / last name Weiwei = given name / personal name / first name __________ Class dismissed. Let's get back to recess.
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