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BANKSY Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Oct 15, 2019 4:37:49 GMT 1,
too bad my name is not Dave .... to a lot of us on this forum- the fake banksy ruined the poster. but perhaps to some people who got theirs signed they had an amazing experience and got a story to tell for the rest of their lives.too bad people like 'DAVE' are just trying to make a buck.
Quick question regarding the scope of your comment:
Besides those who know or strongly suspect they were in the presence of a cringeworthy imposter that night, are you also referring to people who genuinely still believe their posters were hand-signed by Banksy?
too bad my name is not Dave .... to a lot of us on this forum- the fake banksy ruined the poster. but perhaps to some people who got theirs signed they had an amazing experience and got a story to tell for the rest of their lives.too bad people like 'DAVE' are just trying to make a buck. Quick question regarding the scope of your comment: Besides those who know or strongly suspect they were in the presence of a cringeworthy imposter that night, are you also referring to people who genuinely still believe their posters were hand-signed by Ban ksy?
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Inside Art Collectors Homes, by met on Oct 14, 2019 10:59:11 GMT 1, After spending loads of time rearranging my house, a new little office space [...]
Thats right Kjg from top left.....Hush, Hirst, Hockney (not all "H" on purpose!) From bottom Left : Jenny Baldock - She was an Art Student at Wimbledon School of Art. This was the first thing she ever sold, not sure what she's up to now. Its a great little piece as its heavily textured so the sea bit is different to the sky bit, i love it. then Hirst and Takashi Muukami - he did a little drawing of a flower on a show card and signed it when i met him at Gagosian Gallery years ago - he was a very nice bloke
Reference to "Lightening, out at sea." is interesting.
Would it be correct to assume the spelling of "Lightening" is deliberate (not a typo)?
I suspect this may be a homophonous play on words by the artist — to initially lead viewers astray when they consider the meaning of the text.
After spending loads of time rearranging my house, a new little office space [...] Thats right Kjg from top left.....Hush, Hirst, Hockney (not all "H" on purpose!) From bottom Left : Jenny Baldock - She was an Art Student at Wimbledon School of Art. This was the first thing she ever sold, not sure what she's up to now. Its a great little piece as its heavily textured so the sea bit is different to the sky bit, i love it. then Hirst and Takashi Muukami - he did a little drawing of a flower on a show card and signed it when i met him at Gagosian Gallery years ago - he was a very nice bloke Reference to "Lightening, out at sea." is interesting. Would it be correct to assume the spelling of "Lightening" is deliberate (not a typo)? I suspect this may be a homophonous play on words by the artist — to initially lead viewers astray when they consider the meaning of the text.
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Successful Cover Songs, by met on Oct 14, 2019 4:51:53 GMT 1, Hole - Gold Dust Woman (The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack, 1996) - uploaded by YCKFides
Fleetwood Mac - Gold Dust Woman (Budokan, Tokyo, Japan, 5 December 1977) - uploaded by flamingcrystal
Fleetwood Mac - Gold Dust Woman (MTV The Dance special at Warner Brothers Studios, Burbank, California, 23 May 1997) - uploaded by spiritmountainbtb
Hole - Gold Dust Woman (The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack, 1996) - uploaded by YCKFides
Fleetwood Mac - Gold Dust Woman (Budokan, Tokyo, Japan, 5 December 1977) - uploaded by flamingcrystal
Fleetwood Mac - Gold Dust Woman (MTV The Dance special at Warner Brothers Studios, Burbank, California, 23 May 1997) - uploaded by spiritmountainbtb
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Bäst @ Allouche Gallery 10/17, by met on Oct 14, 2019 4:01:11 GMT 1,
Hopefully, members will excuse me for going off on a brief tangent.
Given his collaborations in the fashion industry, the choice of show flyer image by Bäst was presumably considered and meant as a tribute to Peter Lindbergh, who died on 3 September*.
Bäst also appears to have a discriminating taste in models. The above shot from 1985 is of the formidable Kristen McMenamy — one of two women (along with Linda Evangelista) listed in the acknowledgements of a degree thesis I wrote another lifetime ago.
McMenamy remains active and recently fronted the Valentino Spring/Summer 2019 campaign, photographed and filmed by Juergen Teller.
Valentino | Woman's Campaign SS/19 Featuring Kristen McMenamy, Mariacarla Boscono, Adut Akech and Nikki Tissen - uploaded by Valentino
Hopefully, members will excuse me for going off on a brief tangent. Given his collaborations in the fashion industry, the choice of show flyer image by Bäst was presumably considered and meant as a tribute to Peter Lindbergh, who died on 3 September *. Bä st also appears to have a discriminating taste in models. The above shot from 1985 is of the formidable Kristen McMenamy — one of two women (along with Linda Evangelista) listed in the acknowledgements of a degree thesis I wrote another lifetime ago. McMenamy remains active and recently fronted the Valentino Spring/Summer 2019 campaign, photographed and filmed by Juergen Teller. Valentino | Woman's Campaign SS/19 Featuring Kristen McMenamy, Mariacarla Boscono, Adut Akech and Nikki Tissen- uploaded by Valentino
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BANKSY Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Oct 13, 2019 4:08:34 GMT 1, I’m here now, they are giving away the posters to every kid that ask for it, however no chance to get one if you don’t go with a kid... strange to be honest...
Went again to see it at night, they handed the rat poster to whoever they want, be a nice looking girl and you’ll get it, be a guy and they say you’re not getting any man! So rude! Sorry but not what I expected from Banksy!
You would have enjoyed trying to get an imbecile balloon at dismaland Same thing? I don’t think is fair to be honest just because I’m a guy to be told you’re not getting any mate!
Problem is when a nice free souvenir becomes a money making asset for the scalpers then it kind of ruins the atmosphere and experience of what it is all about. Indeed... I just find it very unfair, to be honest they better don’t give anything away as the gallery is really nice to see and enjoyable, hence I went twice to see it during the day and at night... But anyone that have the chance to go and see it I really recommend it! It was amazing!
I'm guessing that your forum account is a spoof — in which case, please keep up the good work.
Like me, you might have noticed (with bemusement and concern) the emergence in recent years of a new generation that is both self-entitled and lacking in emotional resilience. The latter condition can make it difficult to hold a rational discussion, especially with individuals who aren't used to having their opinions challenged. Simple questions, or other attempts at truth-seeking, are often then perceived as personal attacks. This in turn elicits a defensiveness, making the prospect of constructive dialogue even more remote.
So, what are the possible courses of action in these scenarios? [Here, I'm excluding the choice to abandon hope, disengage completely and thereby intensify the polarisation of our society.]
The option you selected — satire, through feigned "How come they got one but not me?!" stampy-feet entitlement — is excellent, for the following reasons:
1. It keeps the conversation open in a tone that isn't unduly confrontational.
2. At the same time, it is effective at getting your points across, i.e. that:
(i) we are owed nothing by the artist;
(ii) we should not therefore expect anything, besides a view of the GDP shopfront; and
(iii) if they choose to exercise their discretion by handing out a courtesy freebie, the stewards are of course fully within their rights to select a child or whomever else they wish as their giftee (especially if there's also some wariness about the number of freebies immediately being resold on eBay).
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By way of aside, your posts prompted me to consider other ways the same points could have been made using analogy and humour:
A mock complaint that we were refused Kids Meals at a restaurant may have worked.
Or pretending to be upset because young chaps never offer us free drinks at pubs; their attention usually seems focused on the young women who enter those establishments. It's so unfair!
I’m here now, they are giving away the posters to every kid that ask for it, however no chance to get one if you don’t go with a kid... strange to be honest... Went again to see it at night, they handed the rat poster to whoever they want, be a nice looking girl and you’ll get it, be a guy and they say you’re not getting any man! So rude! Sorry but not what I expected from Banksy! You would have enjoyed trying to get an imbecile balloon at dismaland Same thing? I don’t think is fair to be honest just because I’m a guy to be told you’re not getting any mate! Problem is when a nice free souvenir becomes a money making asset for the scalpers then it kind of ruins the atmosphere and experience of what it is all about. Indeed... I just find it very unfair, to be honest they better don’t give anything away as the gallery is really nice to see and enjoyable, hence I went twice to see it during the day and at night... But anyone that have the chance to go and see it I really recommend it! It was amazing! I'm guessing that your forum account is a spoof — in which case, please keep up the good work. Like me, you might have noticed (with bemusement and concern) the emergence in recent years of a new generation that is both self-entitled and lacking in emotional resilience. The latter condition can make it difficult to hold a rational discussion, especially with individuals who aren't used to having their opinions challenged. Simple questions, or other attempts at truth-seeking, are often then perceived as personal attacks. This in turn elicits a defensiveness, making the prospect of constructive dialogue even more remote. So, what are the possible courses of action in these scenarios? [Here, I'm excluding the choice to abandon hope, disengage completely and thereby intensify the polarisation of our society.] The option you selected — satire, through feigned "How come they got one but not me?!" stampy-feet entitlement — is excellent, for the following reasons: 1. It keeps the conversation open in a tone that isn't unduly confrontational. 2. At the same time, it is effective at getting your points across, i.e. that: (i) we are owed nothing by the artist; (ii) we should not therefore expect anything, besides a view of the GDP shopfront; and (iii) if they choose to exercise their discretion by handing out a courtesy freebie, the stewards are of course fully within their rights to select a child or whomever else they wish as their giftee (especially if there's also some wariness about the number of freebies immediately being resold on eB ay). __________ By way of aside, your posts prompted me to consider other ways the same points could have been made using analogy and humour: A mock complaint that we were refused Kids Meals at a restaurant may have worked. Or pretending to be upset because young chaps never offer us free drinks at pubs; their attention usually seems focused on the young women who enter those establishments. It's so unfair!
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Oct 12, 2019 8:15:26 GMT 1, Popped this book into a frame. I think it sort of works. What’s up with the crack, homey.
Granted, perhaps a curious path to take. Especially in restricting access to the content of this handsome monograph.
It would certainly be unfortunate if that content were neglected — since it is substantial, and was intended by both artist and publisher to be looked at, as well as read.
However, nobokov is obviously fond of the cover image. And they quite possibly own a second copy of the monograph to peruse at leisure.
It therefore seems a bit harsh to suggest their decision to frame the whole book was drug-induced.
Popped this book into a frame. I think it sort of works. What’s up with the crack, homey. Granted, perhaps a curious path to take. Especially in restricting access to the content of this handsome monograph. It would certainly be unfortunate if that content were neglected — since it is substantial, and was intended by both artist and publisher to be looked at, as well as read. However, nobokov is obviously fond of the cover image. And they quite possibly own a second copy of the monograph to peruse at leisure. It therefore seems a bit harsh to suggest their decision to frame the whole book was drug-induced.
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BANKSY Gross Domestic Product™, by met on Oct 11, 2019 8:42:10 GMT 1, I noticed a smart home hub in the room with the Tony the Tiger rug. Or is it something else?
I noticed a smart home hub in the room with the Tony the Tiger rug. Or is it something else?
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Oct 11, 2019 5:18:34 GMT 1, Attempting to sell my large Connor brothers print to get my hands on a Paul Insect. COA from Maddox Gallery. Tell Him I Was Too f**king Busy - Or Vice Versa, 2018Pigment print with silkscreen varnish 51 1/5 × 31 1/2 in 130 × 80 cm Edition of 50Price $1,400 Shipped. I understand this is not enough for a Paul insect, literally going to put it all on red and push my luck. Will let you all know how I do. [...] I also have a Beejoir Imodium 20 if anyone in interested. $300 shipped
THE CONNOR BROTHERS RECIPE
It's simple. It's easy. You too can make good money from home.
1. Steal somebody else's artwork.
2. Steal somebody else's quote.
3. Mix with a dash of Photoshop.
4. Presto and voilà!
Now print off 50 or 200 copies, sign as your own, and sell to undiscerning patsies.
Attempting to sell my large Connor brothers print to get my hands on a Paul Insect. COA from Maddox Gallery. Tell Him I Was Too f**king Busy - Or Vice Versa, 2018Pigment print with silkscreen varnish 51 1/5 × 31 1/2 in 130 × 80 cm Edition of 50Price $1,400 Shipped. I understand this is not enough for a Paul insect, literally going to put it all on red and push my luck. Will let you all know how I do. [...] I also have a Beejoir Imodium 20 if anyone in interested. $300 shipped THE CONNOR BROTHERS RECIPEIt's simple. It's easy. You too can make good money from home. 1. Steal somebody else's artwork.2. Steal somebody else's quote.3. Mix with a dash of Photoshop.4. Presto and voilà! Now print off 50 or 200 copies, sign as your own, and sell to undiscerning patsies.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by met on Oct 11, 2019 2:59:53 GMT 1, Can't understand why anyone would pay good money to buy such an easily faked poster.
certainly not faked at this point so you know it is authentic. might be an issue down the road. Although it has already been mentioned by others, your certainty on this occasion feels misplaced.
Newsprint paper offcuts can be purchased at pretty much any crafts shop, paper supplier or packaging retailer. The rat image itself isn't especially complicated; it was created using a single screen.
Someone with access to a real poster and a home studio could, within a couple of hours, therefore burn a duplicate screen and churn out reasonably-convincing fake screenprints. And if ignorant, credulous Banksy fans are the target marks, a scammer might save time by just making inkjet prints or photocopies.
Remember to factor in the financial incentive that exists to defraud other punters. Moreover, the rewards for scammers are greater if they can get in early.
Consider also the actual or probable character traits of anyone who is selling (or has sold) multiple copies of the posters on eBay. Even if theirs are genuine, it seems quite likely that getting hold of so many will have required the seller to be dishonest — e.g. by wheeling out their kids like display whores to ask a GDP steward for posters, and then waiting around for a changeover of shifts, to request more posters from a new steward who's unaware they're being duped.
Given the circumstances, it isn't too far-fetched to imagine a motivated ticket-tout / scalper type of individual very quickly producing and releasing a stack of fake rat posters.
Can't understand why anyone would pay good money to buy such an easily faked poster.
certainly not faked at this point so you know it is authentic. might be an issue down the road. Although it has already been mentioned by others, your certainty on this occasion feels misplaced. Newsprint paper offcuts can be purchased at pretty much any crafts shop, paper supplier or packaging retailer. The rat image itself isn't especially complicated; it was created using a single screen. Someone with access to a real poster and a home studio could, within a couple of hours, therefore burn a duplicate screen and churn out reasonably-convincing fake screenprints. And if ignorant, credulous Ban ksy fans are the target marks, a scammer might save time by just making inkjet prints or photocopies. Remember to factor in the financial incentive that exists to defraud other punters. Moreover, the rewards for scammers are greater if they can get in early. Consider also the actual or probable character traits of anyone who is selling (or has sold) multiple copies of the posters on eBay. Even if theirs are genuine, it seems quite likely that getting hold of so many will have required the seller to be dishonest — e.g. by wheeling out their kids like display whores to ask a GDP steward for posters, and then waiting around for a changeover of shifts, to request more posters from a new steward who's unaware they're being duped. Given the circumstances, it isn't too far-fetched to imagine a motivated ticket-tout / scalper type of individual very quickly producing and releasing a stack of fake rat posters.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by met on Oct 9, 2019 8:03:14 GMT 1,
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Banksy 'Vanity Fair' Portrait - Ltd Ed. 10, by met on Oct 6, 2019 23:59:15 GMT 1, Thought this should at least be mentioned on here. A Portrait of Banksy by photographer Tim Walker is part of a new show later this month. It was taken for Vanity fair in 2007 - a collaboration between Banksy and the photographer. Being released soon in quite a small edition of 10. Tim Walker currently has a solo show at the V&A and has taken portraits of quite a few artists including Hockney, Grayson Perry and a great one of Alexander McQueen. I thought only Chris Levine was the only Banksy portrait out there. His sold at Sotheby's for £35k with an edition of around 30 being released some point soon.
This Rural Art from 12 years ago impresses me more than so much of the Urban Art we see today.
From a conceptual standpoint, however, I would still have advised the artist to up his game. Greater impact could have been achieved by painting 'Wild Style' on a lion or rhino, instead of on domesticated livestock.
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Does anybody know what was sprayed on the second Holstein in the background?
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Input by Tim Walker and Banksy in the creation of this image has already been discussed.
But I am surprised that the contributions of the cows themselves haven't yet been mentioned here. In my view, these professionals (especially the one in the foreground) deserve more credit. They aren't just excellent models — they are out standing in their field.
Thought this should at least be mentioned on here. A Portrait of Banksy by photographer Tim Walker is part of a new show later this month. It was taken for Vanity fair in 2007 - a collaboration between Banksy and the photographer. Being released soon in quite a small edition of 10. Tim Walker currently has a solo show at the V&A and has taken portraits of quite a few artists including Hockney, Grayson Perry and a great one of Alexander McQueen. I thought only Chris Levine was the only Banksy portrait out there. His sold at Sotheby's for £35k with an edition of around 30 being released some point soon. This Rural Art from 12 years ago impresses me more than so much of the Ur ban Art we see today. From a conceptual standpoint, however, I would still have advised the artist to up his game. Greater impact could have been achieved by painting 'Wild Style' on a lion or rhino, instead of on domesticated livestock. __________ Does anybody know what was sprayed on the second Holstein in the background? __________ Input by Tim Walker and Banksy in the creation of this image has already been discussed. But I am surprised that the contributions of the cows themselves haven't yet been mentioned here. In my view, these professionals (especially the one in the foreground) deserve more credit. They aren't just excellent models — they are out standing in their field.
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VIDEO OF THE DAY..., by met on Sept 30, 2019 17:21:59 GMT 1,
YouTube presenter:
"... and the level of dexterity on display here will definitely come in handy for these sorts of search-and-rescue missions the Atlas was originally designed for."
The entire global arms industry:
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Boston Dynamics should now focus on the appearance of Atlas.
My vote would be for the features, dress sense and fringe haircut of a Nexus-9 like Luv*.
YouTube presenter: "... and the level of dexterity on display here will definitely come in handy for these sorts of search-and-rescue missions the Atlas was originally designed for."The entire global arms industry: __________ Boston Dynamics should now focus on the appearance of Atlas. My vote would be for the features, dress sense and fringe haircut of a Nexus-9 like Luv*.
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Inside Art Collectors Homes, by met on Sept 30, 2019 17:07:17 GMT 1, The family room is starting to come together. Reason for the pic is I want to ask for some suggestions as far as a rug color goes. The Banksy Choose Your Weapon and Invader will be hung on that wall. The Futura is going elsewhere. Friends and family have suggested light grey🤷🏻♂️ On a side note, I highly recommend buying some faux flowers in a vase that match the art in your room...imho it makes a huge difference in tying the room together.
Although I happen to detest artificial flowers, point taken about tying a room together.
Regarding rug suggestions — given the floor, sofa, and colour palettes of the Banksy and Invader prints — Hicks' Hexagon (designed by David Hicks) might work nicely in your family room:
The family room is starting to come together. Reason for the pic is I want to ask for some suggestions as far as a rug color goes. The Banksy Choose Your Weapon and Invader will be hung on that wall. The Futura is going elsewhere. Friends and family have suggested light grey🤷🏻♂️ On a side note, I highly recommend buying some faux flowers in a vase that match the art in your room...imho it makes a huge difference in tying the room together. Although I happen to detest artificial flowers, point taken about tying a room together. Regarding rug suggestions — given the floor, sofa, and colour palettes of the Ban ksy and In vader prints — Hicks' Hexagon (designed by David Hicks) might work nicely in your family room:
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by met on Sept 30, 2019 16:41:08 GMT 1, It should be hung in parliament to remind MPs how they could be are perceived Looking at the Visitors' Gallery in this artwork, one could argue that the British electorate is perceived in a similar fashion.
It should be hung in parliament to remind MPs how they could be are perceived Looking at the Visitors' Gallery in this artwork, one could argue that the British electorate is perceived in a similar fashion.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Sept 28, 2019 22:10:17 GMT 1, “I want this forever” By Johnny in Paris
That is awesome but, quite frankly, Johnny in Paris ripped off my idea.
As an artist, it is incredibly frustrating when concepts and styles I've worked hard on get stolen by opportunists. It's all the more disheartening when I'm not even credited.
The timing here is unfortunate too, because on Monday I'm releasing inkjet canvases of my latest creation:
Title: Best Friends Year: 2019 Medium: Injet on 300gsm canvas, mounted on a high-quality wooden frame Dimensions: 300 x 300 x 18 mm Limited edition of 150 (plus 15 APs) Hand-signed and numbered by me on verso
Price: £700 (i.e. even cheaper than some of the APs on paper, sold during my Vault Sale* earlier this year)
Stock image:
NB: Actual artwork may look slightly different in tone to what is visible on your computer monitor.
While the official release is next week, I've decided to offer forum members a chance to get in early. The VIP Pre-release has just gone live.
Interested buyers can send me a private message for my PayPal details.
“I want this forever” By Johnny in Paris That is awesome but, quite frankly, Johnny in Paris ripped off my idea. As an artist, it is incredibly frustrating when concepts and styles I've worked hard on get stolen by opportunists. It's all the more disheartening when I'm not even credited. The timing here is unfortunate too, because on Monday I'm releasing inkjet canvases of my latest creation: Title: Best FriendsYear: 2019 Medium: Injet on 300gsm canvas, mounted on a high-quality wooden frame Dimensions: 300 x 300 x 18 mm Limited edition of 150 (plus 15 APs) Hand-signed and numbered by me on verso Price: £700 (i.e. even cheaper than some of the APs on paper, sold during my Vault Sale * earlier this year) Stock image: NB: Actual artwork may look slightly different in tone to what is visible on your computer monitor. While the official release is next week, I've decided to offer forum members a chance to get in early. The VIP Pre-release has just gone live. Interested buyers can send me a private message for my PayPal details.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 28, 2019 2:52:21 GMT 1, An inspired mash-up. I'm quite sure most Anne Clark fans would also approve:
Greta Thunberg vs. Anne Clark - Our Darkness (How Dare You) (1984/2019) - uploaded by Bertram Schnurzpieps (1,626 views as at 28 September 2019)
An inspired mash-up. I'm quite sure most Anne Clark fans would also approve:
Greta Thunberg vs. Anne Clark - Our Darkness (How Dare You) (1984/2019) - uploaded by Bertram Schnurzpieps (1,626 views as at 28 September 2019)
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Anyone know what's the story or history of this print?, by met on Sept 27, 2019 0:07:46 GMT 1,
The history of this reproduction would only matter if it were authorised by Banksy.
But it's a worthless fake (with added official-looking text clearly intended to deceive), like countless others which remain available online.
Given that nothing else is relevant, I wouldn't bother digging any further.
[eBay has been littered with fakes since at least 2005 — although some of the earlier ones used to be described as "homage" pieces. Unsurprisingly, the problem has gotten exponentially worse, in line with jumps in the artist's popularity and prices.]
The history of this reproduction would only matter if it were authorised by Banksy. But it's a worthless fake (with added official-looking text clearly intended to deceive), like countless others which remain available online. Given that nothing else is relevant, I wouldn't bother digging any further. [eBay has been littered with fakes since at least 2005 — although some of the earlier ones used to be described as "homage" pieces. Unsurprisingly, the problem has gotten exponentially worse, in line with jumps in the artist's popularity and prices.]
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Frieze Art fair, by met on Sept 26, 2019 6:51:34 GMT 1, Hi I am going to the Moniker Art fair in London and see that Frieze is on in regents park on the same day, does anyone have any experience of Frieze - is it worth it from an Urban art perspective? or would the time be better spent visiting galleries instead? Thanks Jay
The advice I'd give would be to set aside your emphasis on so-called urban art and just go to Frieze London.
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Frieze Week is by far the most important period in London's art calendar.
At the risk of stating the obvious, it's called "Frieze Week" because Frieze London is the focal point — the primary reason (especially in conjunction with Frieze Masters) why the art world descends upon the city.
Everything else is a piggyback exercise arranged to coincide with Frieze. To take advantage of the huge audience it draws in:
- There are the satellite fairs, such as Sunday Art Fair, PAD London, 1-54 London, The Other Art Fair, British Art Fair, Roy's Art Fair and Moniker Art Fair.
- The major auction houses schedule their modern & contemporary sales for this time.
- A number of London museums hold concurrent blockbuster exhibitions.
- Galleries put on shows by their heavy-hitters.
- Local artists ensure their studios are ready for open days, or to receive drop-ins by visiting curators, dealers and collectors.
- Parties, receptions and dinners take place in the evenings.
And it's all happening during one whirlwind week.
But Frieze London is really the headline act. The main event. This year, "more than 160 of the world's leading galleries" will be featured.
So the idea of attending a sideshow like Moniker but not Frieze is, to my mind, a trifle insane. It's like spending an entire diving trip taking close-ups of a remora, and not bothering to also photograph or pay attention to the great white.
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In case a visitor were to dislike all the work showcased at Frieze, and find each of the curated talks boring, they would still have had a worthwhile learning experience.
Every art enthusiast owes it to themselves to acquire at least a superficial overview of what's happening in the broader contemporary scene. They should have an idea of the artists, movements, concepts, themes and stylistic trends that are currently capturing or retaining the attention of key players in the market.
And for this, there's no better place in the UK than at Frieze.
My position would be to get out there and see as much art as possible.
Enjoy Frieze and Frieze Week for what they are — slight chaos and sensory overload; the perfect opportunity to fine-tune one's critical eye; a chance to establish or consolidate relationships with dealers you wouldn't otherwise meet in person; and a time for taking notes of artists and galleries to keep on your radar.
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If there's any member here whose artistic reference points are restricted to the names commonly discussed on this forum, then they are selling themselves short. In which case, I encourage them to be more ambitious with their art education — to cast their net further afield. Otherwise, they'll remain the type of collector who doesn't recognise 90% of the names when flicking through a contemporary day sale catalogue for Christie's, Sotheby's or Phillips.
Nobody can know everything, but such a degree of ignorance is unenviable. It will never help a person to strengthen their collection. Instead, it's more of a recipe for purchase mistakes, even if one's collecting is limited to a ghetto sub-genre like urban art.
There will be plenty of times when a charming dealer presents us with an attractive, well-executed but derivative artwork created in a style that has become hackneyed. And on each of those occasions — when deciding whether to buy — the only thing a clueless collector will see is an attractive, well-executed artwork.
I'm a firm believer it's worthwhile putting in the effort to not be that kind of collector.]
Hi I am going to the Moniker Art fair in London and see that Frieze is on in regents park on the same day, does anyone have any experience of Frieze - is it worth it from an Urban art perspective? or would the time be better spent visiting galleries instead? Thanks Jay The advice I'd give would be to set aside your emphasis on so-called ur ban art and just go to Frieze London. __________ Frieze Week is by far the most important period in London's art calendar. At the risk of stating the obvious, it's called "Frieze Week" because Frieze London is the focal point — the primary reason (especially in conjunction with Frieze Masters) why the art world descends upon the city. Everything else is a piggyback exercise arranged to coincide with Frieze. To take advantage of the huge audience it draws in: - There are the satellite fairs, such as Sunday Art Fair, PAD London, 1-54 London, The Other Art Fair, British Art Fair, Roy's Art Fair and Moniker Art Fair. - The major auction houses schedule their modern & contemporary sales for this time. - A number of London museums hold concurrent blockbuster exhibitions. - Galleries put on shows by their heavy-hitters. - Local artists ensure their studios are ready for open days, or to receive drop-ins by visiting curators, dealers and collectors. - Parties, receptions and dinners take place in the evenings. And it's all happening during one whirlwind week. But Frieze London is really the headline act. The main event. This year, "more than 160 of the world's leading galleries" will be featured. So the idea of attending a sideshow like Moniker but not Frieze is, to my mind, a trifle insane. It's like spending an entire diving trip taking close-ups of a remora, and not bothering to also photograph or pay attention to the great white. __________ In case a visitor were to dislike all the work showcased at Frieze, and find each of the curated talks boring, they would still have had a worthwhile learning experience. Every art enthusiast owes it to themselves to acquire at least a superficial overview of what's happening in the broader contemporary scene. They should have an idea of the artists, movements, concepts, themes and stylistic trends that are currently capturing or retaining the attention of key players in the market. And for this, there's no better place in the UK than at Frieze. My position would be to get out there and see as much art as possible. Enjoy Frieze and Frieze Week for what they are — slight chaos and sensory overload; the perfect opportunity to fine-tune one's critical eye; a chance to establish or consolidate relationships with dealers you wouldn't otherwise meet in person; and a time for taking notes of artists and galleries to keep on your radar. __________ [Separate aside:
If there's any member here whose artistic reference points are restricted to the names commonly discussed on this forum, then they are selling themselves short. In which case, I encourage them to be more ambitious with their art education — to cast their net further afield. Otherwise, they'll remain the type of collector who doesn't recognise 90% of the names when flicking through a contemporary day sale catalogue for Christie's, Sotheby's or Phillips.
Nobody can know everything, but such a degree of ignorance is unenviable. It will never help a person to strengthen their collection. Instead, it's more of a recipe for purchase mistakes, even if one's collecting is limited to a ghetto sub-genre like urban art.
There will be plenty of times when a charming dealer presents us with an attractive, well-executed but derivative artwork created in a style that has become hackneyed. And on each of those occasions — when deciding whether to buy — the only thing a clueless collector will see is an attractive, well-executed artwork.
I'm a firm believer it's worthwhile putting in the effort to not be that kind of collector.]
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Christie's Art Auctions , by met on Sept 25, 2019 2:03:18 GMT 1, Do the 'realised' process include the fees ? Either 395k for gold is mental Doesn't include VAT (5%) or the Artist Resale Royalty (4%) by the looks of it. Hammer = £320,000 BP = £75,250 (0-225k @ 25%, 225k+ @ 20%) VAT = £16,000ARR = £12,800 Total = £424,050Did I get that right?
Besides comments already made by dogstar on the droit de suite*, the VAT figure (to the extent it's relevant) has been miscalculated.
If applicable, VAT will be 20% of the buyer's premium: £15,050 (£75,250 x 0.2)
And whether it's applicable depends on the jurisdiction of the winning bidder. VAT won't be charged on goods to be exported outside the European Union, e.g. to a US- or Hong Kong-based buyer (although such a buyer may find themselves liable for payment of import duties).
[This is also a reason why VAT is never included in the lot sale results published by auction houses.]
Do the 'realised' process include the fees ? Either 395k for gold is mental Doesn't include VAT (5%) or the Artist Resale Royalty (4%) by the looks of it. Hammer = £320,000 BP = £75,250 (0-225k @ 25%, 225k+ @ 20%) VAT = £16,000ARR = £12,800 Total = £424,050Did I get that right? Besides comments already made by dogstar on the droit de suite *, the VAT figure (to the extent it's relevant) has been miscalculated. If applicable, VAT will be 20% of the buyer's premium: £15,050 (£75,250 x 0.2) And whether it's applicable depends on the jurisdiction of the winning bidder. VAT won't be charged on goods to be exported outside the European Union, e.g. to a US- or Hong Kong-based buyer (although such a buyer may find themselves liable for payment of import duties). [This is also a reason why VAT is never included in the lot sale results published by auction houses.]
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Online galleries and resellers , by met on Sept 23, 2019 6:37:37 GMT 1, Does anybody have any further feedback about 'Dope Gallery' beyond the little info in the first post here? 1. Use the Search function of the forum:
urbanartassociation.com/search
2. In 'What to search... — with the phrase', type "dope gallery":
[For additional results, type "dope! gallery", i.e. with an exclamation mark.]
3. Press Enter on your keyboard, or click the 'Search' button at the bottom of the page.
4. Read through the results, a number of which offer commentary about Dope! Gallery.
You'll find the feedback is mixed.
Some of it is positive. Other posts refer to this online gallery apparently having sold a few forgeries to members here — such as fake Jonas Wood posters, a fake Murakami, and a fake Banksy Di–Faced Tenner.
A separate matter of concern is Dope! Gallery having provided certificates of authenticity for the Di–Faced Tenners it sold (including at least one tenner it later accepted was fake).
It's normal for a gallery to guarantee the genuineness of sale items. However, the issuing of COAs relating to artwork should only ever be carried out by a source entity directly involved in the creation, publishing or original distribution of that art. Other parties lack the authority, legitimacy and requisite knowledge.
Secondary market dealers therefore have no business issuing COAs. Whenever they do so, it makes a mockery of the very notion of these certificates. What it also indicates to me is a cavalier attitude towards good practice and professional integrity.
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Here are a couple of threads you may find helpful:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/155301/framed-posters-prints-wallpaper-cutouts
urbanartassociation.com/thread/145360/sale-banksy-di-faced-tenner
Does anybody have any further feedback about 'Dope Gallery' beyond the little info in the first post here? 1. Use the Search function of the forum: urbanartassociation.com/search2. In 'What to search... — with the phrase', type "dope gallery": [For additional results, type "dope! gallery", i.e. with an exclamation mark.] 3. Press Enter on your keyboard, or click the 'Search' button at the bottom of the page. 4. Read through the results, a number of which offer commentary about Dope! Gallery. You'll find the feedback is mixed. Some of it is positive. Other posts refer to this online gallery apparently having sold a few forgeries to members here — such as fake Jonas Wood posters, a fake Murakami, and a fake Banksy Di–Faced Tenner. A separate matter of concern is Dope! Gallery having provided certificates of authenticity for the Di–Faced Tenners it sold (including at least one tenner it later accepted was fake). It's normal for a gallery to guarantee the genuineness of sale items. However, the issuing of COAs relating to artwork should only ever be carried out by a source entity directly involved in the creation, publishing or original distribution of that art. Other parties lack the authority, legitimacy and requisite knowledge. Secondary market dealers therefore have no business issuing COAs. Whenever they do so, it makes a mockery of the very notion of these certificates. What it also indicates to me is a cavalier attitude towards good practice and professional integrity. __________ Here are a couple of threads you may find helpful: urbanartassociation.com/thread/155301/framed-posters-prints-wallpaper-cutoutsurbanartassociation.com/thread/145360/sale-banksy-di-faced-tenner
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Monkey Parliament back in Bristol, by met on Sept 22, 2019 23:38:36 GMT 1, [...] [...]
The quote in Banksy's Instagram post of 28 March 2019* deserves another look:
"Laugh now, but one day no-one will be in charge."
Context and tone might suggest this is another way of saying that dystopia awaits us.
But for any self-respecting anarchist, the vision described by these words is more likely to correspond to their version of 'I Have a Dream'.
[...] [...] The quote in Ban ksy's Instagram post of 28 March 2019 * deserves another look: "Laugh now, but one day no-one will be in charge."Context and tone might suggest this is another way of saying that dystopia awaits us. But for any self-respecting anarchist, the vision described by these words is more likely to correspond to their version of 'I Have a Dream'.
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Beejoir LV Child canvas; Wes Lang Signed; Todd James , by met on Sept 21, 2019 21:15:18 GMT 1, [...] + James Joyce clown prints with the complicated "witty" titles: Pink: No issues [...] [...]
A friend of mine owns a similar print by James Joyce. Identical colour palette, but different composition.
Theirs is called Pucker up and give me a kiss, Banana Nose:
[...] + James Joyce clown prints with the complicated "witty" titles: Pink: No issues [...] [...] A friend of mine owns a similar print by James Joyce. Identical colour palette, but different composition. Theirs is called Pucker up and give me a kiss, Banana Nose:
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David Slebodnick 🇺🇸 My recent works and efforts, by met on Sept 21, 2019 20:52:50 GMT 1, Commissioned dog tattoo design. More of my work here
As an image generally, this works well.
It requires the viewer's attention, and a bit of time, to figure out where one dog stops and another one starts. This is largely down to your restrained use of white space, making it hard for the eye to quickly delineate. And in a couple of cases, where the dogs aren't shown in profile, it's difficult to distinguish certain features (e.g. nose or jawline) from other parts of their bodies.
I believe there is strength in this ambiguity.
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For the purpose of a tattoo design, however, it would be worth seeking the opinions of tattoo artists with years of experience under their belts.
The very strength of the image referred to above might also be its weakness as a tattoo. Skin will age. Ink will bleed, blur and fade. Contrast will decrease — including between small areas of inked and non-inked skin which are important to your composition.
The risk is that, over the years, a fine line may be crossed by the gradual loss of definition:
Parts of the tattoo which start off as interestingly ambiguous could morph into something less identifiable, and even undesirably inscrutable.
Commissioned dog tattoo design. More of my work hereAs an image generally, this works well. It requires the viewer's attention, and a bit of time, to figure out where one dog stops and another one starts. This is largely down to your restrained use of white space, making it hard for the eye to quickly delineate. And in a couple of cases, where the dogs aren't shown in profile, it's difficult to distinguish certain features (e.g. nose or jawline) from other parts of their bodies. I believe there is strength in this ambiguity. __________ For the purpose of a tattoo design, however, it would be worth seeking the opinions of tattoo artists with years of experience under their belts. The very strength of the image referred to above might also be its weakness as a tattoo. Skin will age. Ink will bleed, blur and fade. Contrast will decrease — including between small areas of inked and non-inked skin which are important to your composition. The risk is that, over the years, a fine line may be crossed by the gradual loss of definition: Parts of the tattoo which start off as interestingly ambiguous could morph into something less identifiable, and even undesirably inscrutable.
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Sept 16, 2019 2:48:30 GMT 1, Hi guys, Selling a few Connor Brotthers prints if anyone is interested? [...]
Beautiful piece by the Connor Brothers.
Just look at that eye. And that mouth. One can't help but be impressed by their skill as painters.
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For financial reasons, I took the cheapskate path of getting a knockoff (see below). It was churned out by James Meese, some faux artist who, in 1955, released scanned copies of the Connor Brothers' original artwork.
Although not genuine, mine was only $4.95 on eBay. Pretty good deal.
Sadly, however, my print also has different text — which simply doesn't possess the same depth as a good quote stolen from John Updike.
Hi guys, Selling a few Connor Brotthers prints if anyone is interested? [...] Beautiful piece by the Connor Brothers. Just look at that eye. And that mouth. One can't help but be impressed by their skill as painters. __________ For financial reasons, I took the cheapskate path of getting a knockoff (see below). It was churned out by James Meese, some faux artist who, in 1955, released scanned copies of the Con nor Brothers' original artwork. Although not genuine, mine was only $4.95 on eB ay. Pretty good deal. Sadly, however, my print also has different text — which simply doesn't possess the same depth as a good quote stolen from John Updike.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by met on Sept 16, 2019 1:20:20 GMT 1, Sorry, that was a poor presentation by me. My references to 2019 were meant to be read as "photo taken in 2019" or "as displayed in 2019". They weren't intended to refer to the year of creation. Thanks met. I hope you don’t think I was being pedantic. No complaints from me. You're chatting with a cheerleader for pedantry, precision, clarity and nuance.
Whenever I'm responsible for a complete or partial failure, I certainly want to be made aware of it — to improve my chances of doing better the next time around.
Sorry, that was a poor presentation by me. My references to 2019 were meant to be read as "photo taken in 2019" or "as displayed in 2019". They weren't intended to refer to the year of creation. Thanks met. I hope you don’t think I was being pedantic. No complaints from me. You're chatting with a cheerleader for pedantry, precision, clarity and nuance. Whenever I'm responsible for a complete or partial failure, I certainly want to be made aware of it — to improve my chances of doing better the next time around.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by met on Sept 16, 2019 0:21:52 GMT 1, According to Sotheby’s, it’s not a 2019 work. Their website states its dated 09, and was bought by the current owner in 2011. Incidentally, they also seem to indicate that it was exhibited as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol Museum show in 09. “PROVENANCE The Artist Acquired from the above by the present owner in 2011 EXHIBITED Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy versus Bristol Museum, June - August, 2009 Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy’s Devolved Parliament, March - September 2019” Sorry, that was a poor presentation by me.
My references to 2019 were meant to be read as "photo taken in 2019" or "as displayed in 2019".
They weren't intended to refer to the year of creation.
According to Sotheby’s, it’s not a 2019 work. Their website states its dated 09, and was bought by the current owner in 2011. Incidentally, they also seem to indicate that it was exhibited as part of the Banksy vrs Bristol Museum show in 09. “PROVENANCE The Artist Acquired from the above by the present owner in 2011 EXHIBITED Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy versus Bristol Museum, June - August, 2009 Bristol, Bristol Museum & Art Gallery, Banksy’s Devolved Parliament, March - September 2019” Sorry, that was a poor presentation by me. My references to 2019 were meant to be read as "photo taken in 2019" or "as displayed in 2019". They weren't intended to refer to the year of creation.
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Banksy Monkey (Devolved) Parliament sells for £9.9Million, by met on Sept 15, 2019 23:18:42 GMT 1, Are there two versions of this work? One with the lights on and one with the lights off? This looks to be the one that was displayed at the Bristol Museum. Wow, keen eye. I hadn't noticed that previously. I'd speculate this a case of the artist performing substantial rework post show as he did with many other works from the museum but only PC would know for certain. It looks far better with the lights off to me.
Changes to the lighting were mentioned by hnkpnk as well in this post from the thread titled Monkey Parliament back in Bristol*.
The artwork had by this point also been renamed Devolved Parliament.
Not only are the lights off, the pendant lamps were actually painted out. These were probably seen as leading the viewer's eye away from the main focal point.
The Commons Chamber, Palace of Westminster
Monkey Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2009
Devolved Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2019
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A separate aspect has yet to be discussed. I'm unclear about whether it represents a conscious and deliberate decision by Banksy, or if it was done without full consideration to the layout of the Commons Chamber.
Besides the floor of the chamber which features Members of Parliament, the Visitors' Gallery — an area reserved for members of the public — is also occupied by apes.
Devolved Parliament (detail of Visitors' Gallery), Bristol Museum, 2019
Are there two versions of this work? One with the lights on and one with the lights off? This looks to be the one that was displayed at the Bristol Museum. Wow, keen eye. I hadn't noticed that previously. I'd speculate this a case of the artist performing substantial rework post show as he did with many other works from the museum but only PC would know for certain. It looks far better with the lights off to me. Changes to the lighting were mentioned by hnkpnk as well in this post from the thread titled Monkey Parliament back in Bristol*. The artwork had by this point also been renamed Devolved Parliament. Not only are the lights off, the pendant lamps were actually painted out. These were probably seen as leading the viewer's eye away from the main focal point. The Commons Chamber, Palace of WestminsterMonkey Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2009Devolved Parliament, Bristol Museum, 2019__________ A separate aspect has yet to be discussed. I'm unclear about whether it represents a conscious and deliberate decision by Ban ksy, or if it was done without full consideration to the layout of the Commons Chamber. Besides the floor of the chamber which features Members of Parliament, the Visitors' Gallery — an area reserved for members of the public — is also occupied by apes. Devolved Parliament (detail of Visitors' Gallery), Bristol Museum, 2019
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Jonas Wood x Louis Vuitton, by met on Sept 15, 2019 0:34:30 GMT 1, Despite having no issue myself with high-end apparel, given:
(i) the forum's focus on urban art / street art / graffiti; (ii) the number of members here; and (iii) the breadth and diversity of opinions that members collectively hold,
I still expected at least one person to post an image of LV Child by Beejoir before this thread reached its third page.
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Each of us has their own points of reference. We all make associations when we spot a recognised name.
It's likely that Louis Vuitton prompts many to think "luxury goods retailer". Some may even draw connections to Nicolas Ghesquière and Virgil Abloh.
Yet whenever I see the LV brand name or logo, what immediately comes to my mind is "naff, ostentatious luggage and handbags" — in addition to "Vichy", "Pétain" and "collaborators"*.
Despite having no issue myself with high-end apparel, given: (i) the forum's focus on ur ban art / str eet art / gra ffiti; (ii) the number of members here; and (iii) the breadth and diversity of opinions that members collectively hold, I still expected at least one person to post an image of LV Child by Beejoir before this thread reached its third page. __________ Each of us has their own points of reference. We all make associations when we spot a recognised name. It's likely that Louis Vuitton prompts many to think "luxury goods retailer". Some may even draw connections to Nicolas Ghesquière and Virgil Abloh. Yet whenever I see the LV brand name or logo, what immediately comes to my mind is "naff, ostentatious luggage and handbags" — in addition to "Vichy", "Pétain" and "collaborators"*.
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Steve Lazarides, is stepping away from the gallery world, by met on Sept 15, 2019 0:02:36 GMT 1, i am going to reserve judgement until i see the photos. Reality is, i am torn. This whole “profiteering,”s**t is garbage. Dude auctioned a canvas of his own for over a million pounds and then shreds it in a publicity stunt. He made a million quid off that sale whether through proxy or directly. In any case, everyone in banksy or owing a banksy is profiteering these days.
From the tone of this sentence, it sounds like you disapprove (perhaps for ethical reasons) of the situation you've described.
By "everyone", I assume you're just talking about some people. Or even a large number of people.
What's less clear, however, is what you mean by "profiteering" — especially in the context of expensive and non-essential decorative goods.
Take a specific example:
There are plenty of dealers and private individuals selling Banksy artwork for very high prices. Their pricing, while prohibitive to many collectors, may still reflect the overall demand for the artist and current market value.
Do you consider such persons to be profiteers?
If so, what different approach would you take if you were in their shoes?
i am going to reserve judgement until i see the photos. Reality is, i am torn. This whole “profiteering,”s**t is garbage. Dude auctioned a canvas of his own for over a million pounds and then shreds it in a publicity stunt. He made a million quid off that sale whether through proxy or directly. In any case, everyone in banksy or owing a banksy is profiteering these days.From the tone of this sentence, it sounds like you disapprove (perhaps for ethical reasons) of the situation you've described. By "everyone", I assume you're just talking about some people. Or even a large number of people. What's less clear, however, is what you mean by "profiteering" — especially in the context of expensive and non-essential decorative goods. Take a specific example: There are plenty of dealers and private individuals selling Ban ksy artwork for very high prices. Their pricing, while prohibitive to many collectors, may still reflect the overall demand for the artist and current market value. Do you consider such persons to be profiteers? If so, what different approach would you take if you were in their shoes?
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