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stolen barcode, by lee3 on Jun 29, 2009 20:55:09 GMT 1, It's almost certainly a print with those dimensions. That alone is pretty stupid imho to keep in your office if you work with lots of kids as all it takes is one person who likes that artist coupled with the stupidity that comes with that age to make it disappear. If it were a canvas, you have to be a complete moron to keep it at a school unless you wanted to have it stolen because you need the money from insurance.
It's almost certainly a print with those dimensions. That alone is pretty stupid imho to keep in your office if you work with lots of kids as all it takes is one person who likes that artist coupled with the stupidity that comes with that age to make it disappear. If it were a canvas, you have to be a complete moron to keep it at a school unless you wanted to have it stolen because you need the money from insurance.
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David Choe โข Jimi Hendrix , by lee3 on Jun 26, 2009 19:53:02 GMT 1, Willy, they are under the framed artists stuff on this site. I still haven't seen the original myself as my father lives on the east coast but will probably be paying him a visit later this year. He caught the collecting bug a couple years ago after seeing Choe's City Girl and has set himself up with a very nice Choe collection though I don't believe he's branched out to other artists yet- I guess he knows what he likes. I remember him asking me if he could have City Girl, as if I owed him something for raising me, and I told him point blank that he's F'ing nuts and to start his own collection. Maybe a print for bringing me into this world but certainly not that piece. I don't recall if he ever framed the Hendrix piece but I doubt it given its size. The photos are towards the bottom of the link below that i posted some time ago before it had been stretched to a frame. I should add that I didn't take those photos and if memory serves they came from Choe.
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Willy, they are under the framed artists stuff on this site. I still haven't seen the original myself as my father lives on the east coast but will probably be paying him a visit later this year. He caught the collecting bug a couple years ago after seeing Choe's City Girl and has set himself up with a very nice Choe collection though I don't believe he's branched out to other artists yet- I guess he knows what he likes. I remember him asking me if he could have City Girl, as if I owed him something for raising me, and I told him point blank that he's F'ing nuts and to start his own collection. Maybe a print for bringing me into this world but certainly not that piece. I don't recall if he ever framed the Hendrix piece but I doubt it given its size. The photos are towards the bottom of the link below that i posted some time ago before it had been stretched to a frame. I should add that I didn't take those photos and if memory serves they came from Choe. urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgallery&action=display&thread=180&page=1
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David Choe โข Jimi Hendrix , by lee3 on Jun 26, 2009 18:11:25 GMT 1, >>>As for being available all night, they were sold out by the time I read about it, at around 23:00 in Brazil (03:00 BST). Unfortunately I hadn't read/heard about this one in advance. <<<
They weren't available for more than 2 or 3 minutes. I recieved an email from him with about 100 other names at 2:15 pacific and you can see that he posted the details to his blog at 2:16 pacific. The very first comment under that blog update is from Choe himself stating that they were sold out before he finished updating his blog. It should make a nice print for those who grabbed them.
>>>As for being available all night, they were sold out by the time I read about it, at around 23:00 in Brazil (03:00 BST). Unfortunately I hadn't read/heard about this one in advance. <<<
They weren't available for more than 2 or 3 minutes. I recieved an email from him with about 100 other names at 2:15 pacific and you can see that he posted the details to his blog at 2:16 pacific. The very first comment under that blog update is from Choe himself stating that they were sold out before he finished updating his blog. It should make a nice print for those who grabbed them.
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Banksy's "Sale Ends" original sold at Sotheby's, by lee3 on Jun 25, 2009 20:57:02 GMT 1, Hmm recognise that Keep It Real from Bonhams Feb this year
That one was different. The one at Bonhams was smaller (20 cm square from memory) and had some white paint on the knuckles unlike this one. These are from an edition though your guess is as good as mine as to how many of them are out there.
Hmm recognise that Keep It Real from Bonhams Feb this year That one was different. The one at Bonhams was smaller (20 cm square from memory) and had some white paint on the knuckles unlike this one. These are from an edition though your guess is as good as mine as to how many of them are out there.
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Banksy splashed with paint - Park Street, Bristol, by lee3 on Jun 24, 2009 19:40:52 GMT 1, Bummer, no good deed goes unpunished.
Bummer, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Banksy's "Sale Ends" original sold at Sotheby's, by lee3 on Jun 24, 2009 16:29:24 GMT 1, I am surprised they hung them that way butterfly. The shadow from the lighting on LIITA is not doing Keep it Real any favors.
I am surprised they hung them that way butterfly. The shadow from the lighting on LIITA is not doing Keep it Real any favors.
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Banksy's "Sale Ends" original sold at Sotheby's, by lee3 on Jun 21, 2009 17:26:24 GMT 1, Indeed there are the two you mentioned later this week:
browse.sothebys.com/?q=banksy
and there are two more at Christie's the following week:
www.christies.com/LotFinder/searchresults.aspx?entry=banksy&action=search&searchtype=u&searchFrom=header#entry=banksy&action=refine&searchtype=u&searchFrom=header&sid=2e3ff73d-2c23-4ff5-902f-f5ae5593592a
I haven't asked for condition reports nor am I bidding on any of the 4 lots for sale. However, all else being equal, I'd prefer the Flower Thrower from Christie's as it is unique and has the stencil tag on the front as opposed to the one at Sotheby's which is from the Existencilism show and from an edition of 5 with the red tag on the right over flap. Though, the one at Sotheby's is a more robust canvas than the unique one which is nailed to a tiny wooden frame. Either one is a nice anchor to any collection. You money sure does get you a lot more art today than a year ago 'eh? If one were to grab both paintings from Christie's than they can hang a nice diptych of the flower thrower facing off against the oncoming heavy weaponry. I really like how the paint is splattered across that heavy weaponry but i do miss the London, NY, Bristol stencils that are on most of the rest of that edition.
Indeed there are the two you mentioned later this week: browse.sothebys.com/?q=banksyand there are two more at Christie's the following week: www.christies.com/LotFinder/searchresults.aspx?entry=banksy&action=search&searchtype=u&searchFrom=header#entry=banksy&action=refine&searchtype=u&searchFrom=header&sid=2e3ff73d-2c23-4ff5-902f-f5ae5593592aI haven't asked for condition reports nor am I bidding on any of the 4 lots for sale. However, all else being equal, I'd prefer the Flower Thrower from Christie's as it is unique and has the stencil tag on the front as opposed to the one at Sotheby's which is from the Existencilism show and from an edition of 5 with the red tag on the right over flap. Though, the one at Sotheby's is a more robust canvas than the unique one which is nailed to a tiny wooden frame. Either one is a nice anchor to any collection. You money sure does get you a lot more art today than a year ago 'eh? If one were to grab both paintings from Christie's than they can hang a nice diptych of the flower thrower facing off against the oncoming heavy weaponry. I really like how the paint is splattered across that heavy weaponry but i do miss the London, NY, Bristol stencils that are on most of the rest of that edition.
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YOUR FAVOURITE BANKSY PIECE FROM THE SHOW!, by lee3 on Jun 19, 2009 16:38:57 GMT 1, Alan, as I mentioned previously, I can be quite slow. It doesn't change the fact that I love and appreciate art but some things stand out to me while others fly right over my head. Monkey Parliament and I hate Monday's are the two pieces from the show which I've been thinking a lot more about recently and did not fully appreicate in person. I'm not going to blame jet lag but rather the kid on xmas morning analogy as there were 3 floors of Banksy's to admire and I was in a hurry many times to get onto the next present.
Alan, as I mentioned previously, I can be quite slow. It doesn't change the fact that I love and appreciate art but some things stand out to me while others fly right over my head. Monkey Parliament and I hate Monday's are the two pieces from the show which I've been thinking a lot more about recently and did not fully appreicate in person. I'm not going to blame jet lag but rather the kid on xmas morning analogy as there were 3 floors of Banksy's to admire and I was in a hurry many times to get onto the next present.
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YOUR FAVOURITE BANKSY PIECE FROM THE SHOW!, by lee3 on Jun 19, 2009 16:14:54 GMT 1, I'm sure it occurred to others of you already but I can be rather slow. However, on my drive in I was thinking today about all the references in the show to stuff Banksy has done in the past from the pet shop which is the same to references such as Hanging Klansman to the stencil in Birmingham, heavy weaponry, roller rat, key to making great art, this is not a photo op, hippie/happy coppers, this is where i draw the line/snorting copper, and on and on. And then I thought to myself that there was no LIITA or Laugh Now references. And my mind naturally wondered to the point that there is Monkey Parliament and I paused and realized that it went right over my head again. He finally painted the Monkey's in charge and I never realized it at the show as I was simply awe struck by the detail and the size of that composition. I hadn't even considered the reference to one of his most famous slogans until today, nearly a full week later.
I'm sure it occurred to others of you already but I can be rather slow. However, on my drive in I was thinking today about all the references in the show to stuff Banksy has done in the past from the pet shop which is the same to references such as Hanging Klansman to the stencil in Birmingham, heavy weaponry, roller rat, key to making great art, this is not a photo op, hippie/happy coppers, this is where i draw the line/snorting copper, and on and on. And then I thought to myself that there was no LIITA or Laugh Now references. And my mind naturally wondered to the point that there is Monkey Parliament and I paused and realized that it went right over my head again. He finally painted the Monkey's in charge and I never realized it at the show as I was simply awe struck by the detail and the size of that composition. I hadn't even considered the reference to one of his most famous slogans until today, nearly a full week later.
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New Sotheby's Private View, by lee3 on Jun 18, 2009 22:00:07 GMT 1, Solid, thanks for posting. Love both Caders, Tunafish disaster and the Klein. Obviously not terribly difficult to find work one enjoys in evening sales and if I'm surpised about anything there it's the fact that they showcased 3 Warhol's when only one of them is truly important from my vantage point. Interesting that Yves Klein's work has barely even checked back in price whereas Warhol is off a good 60% in most cases. Should be an odd summer as it seems like the super high end of both art and housing is a tough sell at the moment.
Solid, thanks for posting. Love both Caders, Tunafish disaster and the Klein. Obviously not terribly difficult to find work one enjoys in evening sales and if I'm surpised about anything there it's the fact that they showcased 3 Warhol's when only one of them is truly important from my vantage point. Interesting that Yves Klein's work has barely even checked back in price whereas Warhol is off a good 60% in most cases. Should be an odd summer as it seems like the super high end of both art and housing is a tough sell at the moment.
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Banksy Bristol Museum - PHOTOS, by lee3 on Jun 17, 2009 17:36:53 GMT 1, was there a lack of stencil works at the show (not that its a bad thing just interested)
No, there were lots of stencils though very few previously used ones. The only two stencils that I can recall from previous shows used on new compositions were Heavy Weaponry and Roller Rat.
To whomever posted the photo earlier today from photobucket that was removed. Can you PM me the link to that gem? I'm not going to forward it around but I do want to show that to my wife. Thx in advance.
was there a lack of stencil works at the show (not that its a bad thing just interested) No, there were lots of stencils though very few previously used ones. The only two stencils that I can recall from previous shows used on new compositions were Heavy Weaponry and Roller Rat. To whomever posted the photo earlier today from photobucket that was removed. Can you PM me the link to that gem? I'm not going to forward it around but I do want to show that to my wife. Thx in advance.
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YOUR FAVOURITE BANKSY PIECE FROM THE SHOW!, by lee3 on Jun 17, 2009 16:44:40 GMT 1, >>>I would love to say yes, but I really don't care if he didn't. Tis 100% Banksy. Now wheres that half mill? <<<
I have a tough time believing he did much of that painting at all though I was told otherwise. It's borderline photorealism in its execution which is not something I've seen from this artist in the past. I suppose that is the difficult part of the anonymity angle as we simply don't know. I will say that it matters not to me if he sketched it out and had an army of people executing it or did it all himself as it's the work of art itself that counts. Though it was not my favorite piece in the show, it is a knock out and as one man's opinion- I'd rather it not go to a collector. I was told it was started 18 months ago when life was much different for us all and this is yet another example of life imitating art. The perfect piece to not only describe what is going on with politics there but the entire world at the moment and would be a shame to hang in one living room where the public can not admire it. I've been hoping privately (now publicly) that this one remains in the Bristol museum's permanent collection and I would be happy to donate generously towards that cause.
I had a wonderful time during my short stay in Bristol and still can't get this show out of my mind. The fact that it is open to the public for free for the entire summer is something I'm not accustomed to coming from the states. This artist has been more than generous to charity and those that admire his work over the years and I've really been focusing on the fact that it is remarkable that anyone is welcome to see this for free this day in age. Imagine if there were a couple of cans near the exit of the museum where visitors could give a couple pounds if they chose to do so and the proceeds were used as a thank you to the museum and the artist for the show to keep a spectacular piece(s) there permanently though I'm sure they'll get some regardless. If something like this was instituted and a hold were placed on that canvas provided we hit a certain goal by the end of the summer, I'd be be delighted to kick it off with (for me) a large donation. Maybe I'm jaded but I suspect a lot more money could be raised than one might believe.
My answer to the original question in this thread changes by the moment as I've got about 15 favorites from this show. If I had to pick, it would either be the woman taking a smoke break (I forget the proper title) or the lion tamer sculpture.
>>>I would love to say yes, but I really don't care if he didn't. Tis 100% Banksy. Now wheres that half mill? <<<
I have a tough time believing he did much of that painting at all though I was told otherwise. It's borderline photorealism in its execution which is not something I've seen from this artist in the past. I suppose that is the difficult part of the anonymity angle as we simply don't know. I will say that it matters not to me if he sketched it out and had an army of people executing it or did it all himself as it's the work of art itself that counts. Though it was not my favorite piece in the show, it is a knock out and as one man's opinion- I'd rather it not go to a collector. I was told it was started 18 months ago when life was much different for us all and this is yet another example of life imitating art. The perfect piece to not only describe what is going on with politics there but the entire world at the moment and would be a shame to hang in one living room where the public can not admire it. I've been hoping privately (now publicly) that this one remains in the Bristol museum's permanent collection and I would be happy to donate generously towards that cause.
I had a wonderful time during my short stay in Bristol and still can't get this show out of my mind. The fact that it is open to the public for free for the entire summer is something I'm not accustomed to coming from the states. This artist has been more than generous to charity and those that admire his work over the years and I've really been focusing on the fact that it is remarkable that anyone is welcome to see this for free this day in age. Imagine if there were a couple of cans near the exit of the museum where visitors could give a couple pounds if they chose to do so and the proceeds were used as a thank you to the museum and the artist for the show to keep a spectacular piece(s) there permanently though I'm sure they'll get some regardless. If something like this was instituted and a hold were placed on that canvas provided we hit a certain goal by the end of the summer, I'd be be delighted to kick it off with (for me) a large donation. Maybe I'm jaded but I suspect a lot more money could be raised than one might believe.
My answer to the original question in this thread changes by the moment as I've got about 15 favorites from this show. If I had to pick, it would either be the woman taking a smoke break (I forget the proper title) or the lion tamer sculpture.
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Banksy Bristol Museum - PHOTOS, by lee3 on Jun 16, 2009 23:53:47 GMT 1, nice coach-no flash, ha ha. glad someone used one on this. thx
nice coach-no flash, ha ha. glad someone used one on this. thx
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Banksy Bristol Museum - PHOTOS, by lee3 on Jun 16, 2009 22:34:06 GMT 1, thanks all. i've enjoyed looking at everyone else's too and the thing that drives me crazy is the fact that i went around that museum a good 7 or 8 times and spent 6 or 7 hours in there and still missed a few things. It's unfortuante that I failed at getting any good photos or video of the model Jerusalem invasion.
thanks all. i've enjoyed looking at everyone else's too and the thing that drives me crazy is the fact that i went around that museum a good 7 or 8 times and spent 6 or 7 hours in there and still missed a few things. It's unfortuante that I failed at getting any good photos or video of the model Jerusalem invasion.
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Banksy Bristol City Museum Show, by lee3 on Jun 15, 2009 17:26:14 GMT 1, >>>Do you get the trash-can for free<<<
Not for free, undoubtedly the most expensive trash can i'll ever own.
>>>Do you get the trash-can for free<<<
Not for free, undoubtedly the most expensive trash can i'll ever own.
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Banksy Bristol City Museum Show, by lee3 on Jun 15, 2009 17:18:14 GMT 1, thanks fellas, the pleasure was all mine. I did manage to grab a small but clever piece that hit me hard and will never part with. I may even throw paint all over my place trying to recreate the scene.
thanks fellas, the pleasure was all mine. I did manage to grab a small but clever piece that hit me hard and will never part with. I may even throw paint all over my place trying to recreate the scene.
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Banksy Bristol City Museum Show, by lee3 on Jun 15, 2009 15:44:27 GMT 1, I'm now sitting at my silly computer on a Monday morning in SF and that whole weekend reads like a dream now. Pitty it came and went so fast though very happy that I can't get it out of my head. I wish I knew how to embed this video as others have done above but I'm a bit slow with technology. I've been a shutterbug for years but am finding video to be a lot of fun and not nearly the mountain to climb that photoshop is with a bunch of stills:
edit: If you are watching this on a PC (as I just tried at work) you may want to turn high deff off (on the right side of the video) as otherwise it is painful to watch on the processor on this machine. On a mac you should be fine.
I'm now sitting at my silly computer on a Monday morning in SF and that whole weekend reads like a dream now. Pitty it came and went so fast though very happy that I can't get it out of my head. I wish I knew how to embed this video as others have done above but I'm a bit slow with technology. I've been a shutterbug for years but am finding video to be a lot of fun and not nearly the mountain to climb that photoshop is with a bunch of stills: edit: If you are watching this on a PC (as I just tried at work) you may want to turn high deff off (on the right side of the video) as otherwise it is painful to watch on the processor on this machine. On a mac you should be fine.
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Banksy Bristol Museum - PHOTOS, by lee3 on Jun 13, 2009 23:43:26 GMT 1,
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Banksy Bristol City Museum Show, by lee3 on Jun 13, 2009 23:33:32 GMT 1, My first trip to Bristol and I wonder how I never made it to the west coast before. Some of the nicest folks anywhere on the planet and hope to get back with my wife before the show closes. I've certainly never seen any show resemble this (not even close) and from my vantage point it is pushing our boundaries even further which all great artists do in their own way. I loved walking around the town and meeting many complete strangers and putting a lot of faces to usernames.
For the 4 or 5 of you that I missed last night with tons of texts, i suppose that is the sign of a GREAT show. I spent hours in that place over the past 2 days and was beyond thorough (or so I thought) and am amazed at how much stuff I missed looking at some other photos. My head hurts still...very badly. I can not keep up with the Bristol locals and their penchant for harsh whiskey at 3 am. My amateur video of a few highlights:
One question: Did Banksy do the wallpaper too or is that the way the Bristol museum looks normally?
My first trip to Bristol and I wonder how I never made it to the west coast before. Some of the nicest folks anywhere on the planet and hope to get back with my wife before the show closes. I've certainly never seen any show resemble this (not even close) and from my vantage point it is pushing our boundaries even further which all great artists do in their own way. I loved walking around the town and meeting many complete strangers and putting a lot of faces to usernames. For the 4 or 5 of you that I missed last night with tons of texts, i suppose that is the sign of a GREAT show. I spent hours in that place over the past 2 days and was beyond thorough (or so I thought) and am amazed at how much stuff I missed looking at some other photos. My head hurts still...very badly. I can not keep up with the Bristol locals and their penchant for harsh whiskey at 3 am. My amateur video of a few highlights: One question: Did Banksy do the wallpaper too or is that the way the Bristol museum looks normally?
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Banksy Bristol City Museum Show, by lee3 on Jun 11, 2009 18:13:27 GMT 1, that is one LONG commute from san francisco
that is one LONG commute from san francisco
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Shepard Fairey - Soup Can II, by lee3 on Jun 9, 2009 21:38:38 GMT 1, >>>Quite small too<<<
I'm not a print expert but i have to believe the reason this print is 20x16 inches is because that is the exact size of the Warhol soup cans (and most Warhol compositions). More specifically, that is the size that the original torn pepper pot soup can measured which is the obvious inspiration for this image that Eli Broad famously picked up a couple years ago for around $17M US much to his wife's very public dismay.
>>>Quite small too<<<
I'm not a print expert but i have to believe the reason this print is 20x16 inches is because that is the exact size of the Warhol soup cans (and most Warhol compositions). More specifically, that is the size that the original torn pepper pot soup can measured which is the obvious inspiration for this image that Eli Broad famously picked up a couple years ago for around $17M US much to his wife's very public dismay.
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Early Banksy Art, by lee3 on May 29, 2009 21:38:07 GMT 1, i loved these two that others have added in similar threads in the past and i've jsut added as faves to my flickr account (i obviously didn't take them)
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Early Banksy Art, by lee3 on May 28, 2009 19:00:02 GMT 1, >>>>Seen versions of this sold of in isolated sections, but needs the whole series really <<<<
That painting, Simple Intelligence Testing, was kept together (unless there are multiple versions of it) and was sold in February '08 for 636k GBP which is his highest non-collaborative price at auction. I'd be more than stunned to learn that the buyer sold some of the individual canvases from that composition as it would crush its value not to mention that I doubt (pure speculation on my part) that PC would authenticate any one of the canvases individually though I could well be mistaken.
>>>>Seen versions of this sold of in isolated sections, but needs the whole series really <<<<
That painting, Simple Intelligence Testing, was kept together (unless there are multiple versions of it) and was sold in February '08 for 636k GBP which is his highest non-collaborative price at auction. I'd be more than stunned to learn that the buyer sold some of the individual canvases from that composition as it would crush its value not to mention that I doubt (pure speculation on my part) that PC would authenticate any one of the canvases individually though I could well be mistaken.
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dollar advice, by lee3 on May 25, 2009 17:24:34 GMT 1, I can assure you that none of us has much of a clue. The dollar chart looks nasty and if i were in your shoes, i'd take the move from $1.40 to $1.60 on the pound and probably buy half the dollars that i would need and let the rest ride. The dollar looks like it is breaking down vs. most currencies after showing remarkable strength since last October. I'm in the opposite position as you and made sure to grab all the pounds sterling that I needed for purchases over the next 2 months already. The problem is both currencies have their issues imho and personally i continue to sit gold vs. most currencies as the place i want to be. Still, this is a pretty nice looking chart from your perspective with a double bottom:
futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/BP/W
It is a bummer to have to consider currency moves as they are so much more volatile than they've been at any other time in our lives. Add in a healthy dose of political posturing (north korea being the latest) and your guess is as good as mine. good luck
I can assure you that none of us has much of a clue. The dollar chart looks nasty and if i were in your shoes, i'd take the move from $1.40 to $1.60 on the pound and probably buy half the dollars that i would need and let the rest ride. The dollar looks like it is breaking down vs. most currencies after showing remarkable strength since last October. I'm in the opposite position as you and made sure to grab all the pounds sterling that I needed for purchases over the next 2 months already. The problem is both currencies have their issues imho and personally i continue to sit gold vs. most currencies as the place i want to be. Still, this is a pretty nice looking chart from your perspective with a double bottom: futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/BP/WIt is a bummer to have to consider currency moves as they are so much more volatile than they've been at any other time in our lives. Add in a healthy dose of political posturing (north korea being the latest) and your guess is as good as mine. good luck
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What makes GOOD Art?, by lee3 on May 23, 2009 17:54:06 GMT 1, >>>What to you makes a good piece of Art that you want to live with on your wall? <<<
I have no idea but I try to keep an open mind and I sure do know when i see it. I could use some more walls.
>>>What to you makes a good piece of Art that you want to live with on your wall? <<<
I have no idea but I try to keep an open mind and I sure do know when i see it. I could use some more walls.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on May 23, 2009 17:47:43 GMT 1, nice shep- more simple framing
Etched: Is this yours? Is that a unique silk screen on paper from Warhol or is it by another artist? I'm guessing it's the latter because I've never seen this image in this format like I have with the Marilyn's, electric chairs, and Mao's. Gorgeous and a show stopper regardless of who did it. I really love that and would admire it daily if it were in my home.
nice shep- more simple framing Etched: Is this yours? Is that a unique silk screen on paper from Warhol or is it by another artist? I'm guessing it's the latter because I've never seen this image in this format like I have with the Marilyn's, electric chairs, and Mao's. Gorgeous and a show stopper regardless of who did it. I really love that and would admire it daily if it were in my home.
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Warhol - Sunday B Morning - Opus, by lee3 on May 21, 2009 16:24:39 GMT 1, I do not understand why anyone would purchase these. Would you really prefer to own a Warhol foundation-licensed posthumous release that costs 100 times more than an unlicensed copy off ebay? Or in the case of Marilyn, this portfolio trades at roughly 1% of the cost of what the actual signed portfolio from '67. In the case of the soup cans, you're paying about 5% of the cost of what the actual signed print release would set you back. In either case, yes you are saving a boat load of money compared to the real thing. However, you are spending a boat load of money in premium to pay for the licensing fee to the foundation when you could buy an imitation for pennies on the dollar. I can't imagine these SBM portfolios are easily tradeable so to me it is a sunk cost either way. If I'm going to spend money for an image that I can never get out of, I might as well spend as little money as possible, no? That's not to suggest that I am advocating fake copies; rather, my position is that I see zero value whatsoever in paying a premium for these over an imitation.
Can someone clue me in as I'm obviously missing the logic behind these? Imho, you are FAR better off paying 5k pounds sterling for one signed soup can than 10 unsigned copies.
I do not understand why anyone would purchase these. Would you really prefer to own a Warhol foundation-licensed posthumous release that costs 100 times more than an unlicensed copy off ebay? Or in the case of Marilyn, this portfolio trades at roughly 1% of the cost of what the actual signed portfolio from '67. In the case of the soup cans, you're paying about 5% of the cost of what the actual signed print release would set you back. In either case, yes you are saving a boat load of money compared to the real thing. However, you are spending a boat load of money in premium to pay for the licensing fee to the foundation when you could buy an imitation for pennies on the dollar. I can't imagine these SBM portfolios are easily tradeable so to me it is a sunk cost either way. If I'm going to spend money for an image that I can never get out of, I might as well spend as little money as possible, no? That's not to suggest that I am advocating fake copies; rather, my position is that I see zero value whatsoever in paying a premium for these over an imitation.
Can someone clue me in as I'm obviously missing the logic behind these? Imho, you are FAR better off paying 5k pounds sterling for one signed soup can than 10 unsigned copies.
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Andy Warhol ๐บ๐ธ Real or Fake? โข Sunday B. Morning Print, by lee3 on May 19, 2009 0:28:32 GMT 1, thanks lee3 - much appreciated. i actually offered 2k pounds for it and the guy nearly choked - i know he paid top dollar (pounds) for it so he wont sell so low. if things continue slow he might budge but im so so - are they a difficult sell due to the fact that they are transexuals ?
Imho, your offer was more than fair and high if anything. As to why they are a difficult sell, they just aren't his strongest body of work and there are tons of them. These canvases are everywhere so top dollar is never paid for them because they are anything but rare. If memory serves there was gigantic one in an evening sale in the past year or two which did bring in a couple million but that is not the norm. Perhaps the transexual is a turn off to some, I don't know. He was a portrait artist at this point in his career and the market has in essence stated that this is not one of his better groups of portraits and I agree. The flipside to that is one can get a Warhol for "cheap" and I can appreciate that attraction as I too shared that mindset when I began collecting.
thanks lee3 - much appreciated. i actually offered 2k pounds for it and the guy nearly choked - i know he paid top dollar (pounds) for it so he wont sell so low. if things continue slow he might budge but im so so - are they a difficult sell due to the fact that they are transexuals ? Imho, your offer was more than fair and high if anything. As to why they are a difficult sell, they just aren't his strongest body of work and there are tons of them. These canvases are everywhere so top dollar is never paid for them because they are anything but rare. If memory serves there was gigantic one in an evening sale in the past year or two which did bring in a couple million but that is not the norm. Perhaps the transexual is a turn off to some, I don't know. He was a portrait artist at this point in his career and the market has in essence stated that this is not one of his better groups of portraits and I agree. The flipside to that is one can get a Warhol for "cheap" and I can appreciate that attraction as I too shared that mindset when I began collecting.
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