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Money no object which 4 paintings would you get?, by lee3 on Aug 4, 2009 0:25:11 GMT 1, >>>Absent? Pray tell why?<<<
Because you said yourself that you "would have walked away" from said answer. Therefore, you would not have been there for my reply. Did you honestly believe I was suggesting that someone could or could not be present by the size of their wallet?
Folks, I came in this thread to give my honest answers and certainly never meant any of you any ill will. This is getting a bit ridiculous- have fun.
>>>Absent? Pray tell why? <<< Because you said yourself that you "would have walked away" from said answer. Therefore, you would not have been there for my reply. Did you honestly believe I was suggesting that someone could or could not be present by the size of their wallet? Folks, I came in this thread to give my honest answers and certainly never meant any of you any ill will. This is getting a bit ridiculous- have fun.
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Money no object which 4 paintings would you get?, by lee3 on Aug 4, 2009 0:02:18 GMT 1, >>>I would walk away from that answer! <<<
You would have been underwhelmed (rather, I guess you woul have been absent) by my response as I thought it was a breath of fresh air. There certainly is no right or wrong answer which is part of the fun of this hobby from my vantage point.
>>>I would walk away from that answer! <<<
You would have been underwhelmed (rather, I guess you woul have been absent) by my response as I thought it was a breath of fresh air. There certainly is no right or wrong answer which is part of the fun of this hobby from my vantage point.
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Money no object which 4 paintings would you get?, by lee3 on Aug 3, 2009 23:49:28 GMT 1, >>>Lee3... interesting concept... most important visual artist of the 20th century and why.... I definitely think Disney. <<<<
I can't take credit for that answer, that was the answer from another artist, David Lebatard. There seems to be pretty uniform answer to who the top 2 are (Picasso and Warhol) but after that it's anyone's game. My answer is usually Pollock though I have said Johns from time to time. I've been surprised at how many people have replied Dali to that question over the years. Anyway, it can drum up interesting discussion and Disney sure caught my attention and I couldn't even begin to do justice trying to paraphrase Lebo's brilliant response as to why.
>>>Some interesting choices but some of the classics people picked have zero chance of going into a private collection again <<
Do you honestly believe anyone that posted those thought otherwise? Wow. My goodness, my Guinness.
>>>Lee3... interesting concept... most important visual artist of the 20th century and why.... I definitely think Disney. <<<<
I can't take credit for that answer, that was the answer from another artist, David Lebatard. There seems to be pretty uniform answer to who the top 2 are (Picasso and Warhol) but after that it's anyone's game. My answer is usually Pollock though I have said Johns from time to time. I've been surprised at how many people have replied Dali to that question over the years. Anyway, it can drum up interesting discussion and Disney sure caught my attention and I couldn't even begin to do justice trying to paraphrase Lebo's brilliant response as to why.
>>>Some interesting choices but some of the classics people picked have zero chance of going into a private collection again <<
Do you honestly believe anyone that posted those thought otherwise? Wow. My goodness, my Guinness.
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Money no object which 4 paintings would you get?, by lee3 on Aug 3, 2009 21:20:49 GMT 1, >>>would it be the most expensive piece of art ever if it wasn't "priceless?" <<<
I believe some would argue Mona Lisa, David, or a few others. There is certainly a price tag on anything but we're talking billions of dollars at that level.
>>>It would go for at least a billion.<<<
I've asked this question in very knowledgable circles many times over and the consensus that I've gotten over the years is 5 to 10 billion US though that was prior to last fall. Another topic that is often fun to ask at dinners is "who do you feel is the 3rd most important visual artist of the 20th century and why?" I continue to get very interesting responses and just a month ago, one artist replied Walt Disney which is something nobody has ever said to me before but I thought it was a very interesting reply.
And so goes a boring Monday...
>>>would it be the most expensive piece of art ever if it wasn't "priceless?" <<<
I believe some would argue Mona Lisa, David, or a few others. There is certainly a price tag on anything but we're talking billions of dollars at that level.
>>>It would go for at least a billion.<<<
I've asked this question in very knowledgable circles many times over and the consensus that I've gotten over the years is 5 to 10 billion US though that was prior to last fall. Another topic that is often fun to ask at dinners is "who do you feel is the 3rd most important visual artist of the 20th century and why?" I continue to get very interesting responses and just a month ago, one artist replied Walt Disney which is something nobody has ever said to me before but I thought it was a very interesting reply.
And so goes a boring Monday...
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Money no object which 4 paintings would you get?, by lee3 on Aug 3, 2009 20:36:11 GMT 1, >>>lee3, I don't get why you would want Guernica, as the minute you have it in your hands, Spain would just claim it from you <<
True, but the question intrigued me from a "if i could have anything perspective". We've all made the alternative decisions based upon our own collections. There is an obvious reason why Guernica is *arguably* the most vauable work of art in the world. I would love nothing more to replace "the corner" as my disciplinary time out for a 2 year old and instead force him to stand front and center with his hands behind his back looking up at that composition until it scared him straight. But I fear that even that wouldn't work on my son and instead he would probably find it funny to color it with a crayon much to the world's dismay.
>>>lee3, I don't get why you would want Guernica, as the minute you have it in your hands, Spain would just claim it from you <<
True, but the question intrigued me from a "if i could have anything perspective". We've all made the alternative decisions based upon our own collections. There is an obvious reason why Guernica is *arguably* the most vauable work of art in the world. I would love nothing more to replace "the corner" as my disciplinary time out for a 2 year old and instead force him to stand front and center with his hands behind his back looking up at that composition until it scared him straight. But I fear that even that wouldn't work on my son and instead he would probably find it funny to color it with a crayon much to the world's dismay.
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Andy Warhol Michael Jackson - New York Auction, by lee3 on Aug 1, 2009 16:42:16 GMT 1, There are a number of these and they've always done average at auction. A similar one on blue was bought in last july with a low estimate of 250k GBP. This painting is returning to the auction block VERY quickly. It was just purchased a mere 2 months ago:
Andy Warhol Title Michael Jackson Description synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvasExecuted in 1984, this work More ... Medium synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvas Year of Work 1984 Size Height 30 in.; Width 26 in. / Height 76.2 cm.; Width 66 cm. Misc. Stamped Sale of Sotheby's New York: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 [Lot 00225] Contemporary Art Day Sale Estimate 250,000 - 350,000 US$ Sold For 278,500 US$ PREMIUM Currency Converter
It will be interesting to see what it sells for. While the Liz and Green Car crash have notable price tags, they have little in common (other than artist) with this painting. I suspect this seller believes they are going to realize a windfall and my guess is they might see a $100k profit which isn't bad for a few month's work. There is just a flood of michael jackson compositions on the art market at the moment which should come as no surprise.
There are a number of these and they've always done average at auction. A similar one on blue was bought in last july with a low estimate of 250k GBP. This painting is returning to the auction block VERY quickly. It was just purchased a mere 2 months ago:
Andy Warhol Title Michael Jackson Description synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvasExecuted in 1984, this work More ... Medium synthetic polymer paint and silkscreen inks on canvas Year of Work 1984 Size Height 30 in.; Width 26 in. / Height 76.2 cm.; Width 66 cm. Misc. Stamped Sale of Sotheby's New York: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 [Lot 00225] Contemporary Art Day Sale Estimate 250,000 - 350,000 US$ Sold For 278,500 US$ PREMIUM Currency Converter
It will be interesting to see what it sells for. While the Liz and Green Car crash have notable price tags, they have little in common (other than artist) with this painting. I suspect this seller believes they are going to realize a windfall and my guess is they might see a $100k profit which isn't bad for a few month's work. There is just a flood of michael jackson compositions on the art market at the moment which should come as no surprise.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by lee3 on Jul 27, 2009 6:18:52 GMT 1, Asap, if there is a deeper meaning than the obvious joke and there almost certainly is, I think you've articulated it better than anyone that I've read yet. It's all subjective to the viewer but I must tip my hat to you as I'll look at that composition differently after reading your thoughts.
Asap, if there is a deeper meaning than the obvious joke and there almost certainly is, I think you've articulated it better than anyone that I've read yet. It's all subjective to the viewer but I must tip my hat to you as I'll look at that composition differently after reading your thoughts.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Jul 27, 2009 2:14:48 GMT 1, >>>While I haven't seen the print, I've heard from other sources that he made a print of the piece a few years back.<<<
He gave me one and I have it somewhere around the house, that's why I recognized it. I just tried searching for a photo on google and bing and came up empty for whatever reason. He printed the composition on brown paper (and may have enlarged it) but your original pops much nicer on white.
>>>While I haven't seen the print, I've heard from other sources that he made a print of the piece a few years back.<<<
He gave me one and I have it somewhere around the house, that's why I recognized it. I just tried searching for a photo on google and bing and came up empty for whatever reason. He printed the composition on brown paper (and may have enlarged it) but your original pops much nicer on white.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Jul 27, 2009 0:01:50 GMT 1, rkitek:
GREAT drawing. that's one he turned into a print some time ago, no? The more I live with his work, I've developed a STRONG preference for his work with graphite over his watercolors. nicely framed too
rkitek:
GREAT drawing. that's one he turned into a print some time ago, no? The more I live with his work, I've developed a STRONG preference for his work with graphite over his watercolors. nicely framed too
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by lee3 on Jul 23, 2009 18:31:55 GMT 1, This thread is a tough skim as I can barely read some of it.
>>>The hypocrisy is that you have an artist who thinks he should be allowed to put up his name, art and message anywhere he wants.<<<<
I believe he's been rather blunt about where and why he places work over the past couple years and it certainly is not whereever he wants.
>>>Yet he wants to retain control over it even though it was done totally illegally. He does not want you to buy art that he puts on the street and won't bless it, (because he has nothing to gain from it) yet he will bless works of art you buy through galleries where he does stand to gain hundreds of thousands<<<
Come on now, you don't really believe that nonsense do you? You think PC has taken that stance because they are upset they can not profit from it? They would actually be entitled to artists resale rights on any sale that occurred and street pieces would have some big time premiums at auciton- so they are actually leaving (substantial) money on the table. I believe they have taken this stance so as to protect the public property and not have morons ripping down walls. One can easily remove paint if they wish, replacing walls is another matter entirely. Personally, I believe their stance had very little to do with money and far more to the democratic nature of the artist trying to keep some work available for free to the fans. Further, they are not as you say "retaining control" over the work. He puts it there and that is the end of it. They simply refuse to authenticate the work thereby rendering it worthless by comparison within the art world. I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion but that is one helluva conspiracy theory and I certainly don't subscribe to it. Wouldn't they be charging admission to the Bristol Museum if they were half as motivated by money as this argument suggests?
This thread is a tough skim as I can barely read some of it.
>>>The hypocrisy is that you have an artist who thinks he should be allowed to put up his name, art and message anywhere he wants.<<<<
I believe he's been rather blunt about where and why he places work over the past couple years and it certainly is not whereever he wants.
>>>Yet he wants to retain control over it even though it was done totally illegally. He does not want you to buy art that he puts on the street and won't bless it, (because he has nothing to gain from it) yet he will bless works of art you buy through galleries where he does stand to gain hundreds of thousands<<<
Come on now, you don't really believe that nonsense do you? You think PC has taken that stance because they are upset they can not profit from it? They would actually be entitled to artists resale rights on any sale that occurred and street pieces would have some big time premiums at auciton- so they are actually leaving (substantial) money on the table. I believe they have taken this stance so as to protect the public property and not have morons ripping down walls. One can easily remove paint if they wish, replacing walls is another matter entirely. Personally, I believe their stance had very little to do with money and far more to the democratic nature of the artist trying to keep some work available for free to the fans. Further, they are not as you say "retaining control" over the work. He puts it there and that is the end of it. They simply refuse to authenticate the work thereby rendering it worthless by comparison within the art world. I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion but that is one helluva conspiracy theory and I certainly don't subscribe to it. Wouldn't they be charging admission to the Bristol Museum if they were half as motivated by money as this argument suggests?
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artnet Auctions Urban Art Sale, by lee3 on Jul 22, 2009 19:43:44 GMT 1, >>>Are there any actual bids on any pieces or do you have to subscribe to see the bidding?<<<
If it says opening bid (which the overwhelming majority do), it means the item has received no bids. If it says current bid, then the item has a bid. I think this was a very wise idea in the boardroom/business development unit of artnet which previously was a solid and reputable 3rd party source of information on the art world. Very smart idea to begin spamming blog sites with overpriced auction items that will have a dismal sales % vs unsold lots giving them the appearance of knowing absolutely nothing about the art market. This is amateur hour and makes ebay look like the consummate professional.
I hope the powers that be at that site realize this was a poor venture and make this the final sale.
>>>Are there any actual bids on any pieces or do you have to subscribe to see the bidding?<<<
If it says opening bid (which the overwhelming majority do), it means the item has received no bids. If it says current bid, then the item has a bid. I think this was a very wise idea in the boardroom/business development unit of artnet which previously was a solid and reputable 3rd party source of information on the art world. Very smart idea to begin spamming blog sites with overpriced auction items that will have a dismal sales % vs unsold lots giving them the appearance of knowing absolutely nothing about the art market. This is amateur hour and makes ebay look like the consummate professional.
I hope the powers that be at that site realize this was a poor venture and make this the final sale.
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Banksy Works Vanish From Auctions as Demand Drops, by lee3 on Jul 20, 2009 18:41:24 GMT 1, >>>If you look at the way both Christies and Sothebys undertake their auctions with Banksy's, the maximum number of lots would be 3 per auction and they are generally much higher quality pieces then what goes through Bonhams or Dreweatts, hence why they sell for much higher prices.<<<
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment that the 2 big houses are the way to go for both buyers and sellers. That said, both houses have had day sales with more than 3 Banksy's each. Last July Sotheby's had one lot that contained 3 Banksy's plus a few additional lots. The same week Christie's offered up 5 Banksy's in their day sale. Christie's followed it up with 5 more in their October day sale following Sotheby's who even added a couple into their evening sale.
The days of being more selective with substantially fewer lots (for all artists) are a relatively new phenomenon (over the past decade) and a reaction to the dismal numbers that everyone posted last October/November when the credit crunch started to show its teeth.
>>>If you look at the way both Christies and Sothebys undertake their auctions with Banksy's, the maximum number of lots would be 3 per auction and they are generally much higher quality pieces then what goes through Bonhams or Dreweatts, hence why they sell for much higher prices.<<<
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment that the 2 big houses are the way to go for both buyers and sellers. That said, both houses have had day sales with more than 3 Banksy's each. Last July Sotheby's had one lot that contained 3 Banksy's plus a few additional lots. The same week Christie's offered up 5 Banksy's in their day sale. Christie's followed it up with 5 more in their October day sale following Sotheby's who even added a couple into their evening sale.
The days of being more selective with substantially fewer lots (for all artists) are a relatively new phenomenon (over the past decade) and a reaction to the dismal numbers that everyone posted last October/November when the credit crunch started to show its teeth.
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Come on guys Get your new BANKSY'S OUT 4 THE LADS!, by lee3 on Jul 9, 2009 22:27:53 GMT 1, >>>Obviously not a crude oil. Ha! <<<
That comment did give me pause. I think that piece is called Hippie Coppers if i recall correctly. Tough for me to pick just one but I'd probably lean towards the spaceship composition as one of my all time faves. From the new bunch, I'd pick (forgot the title of it) the cut out woman enjoying a smoke break but she was more than a tad out of my price range. That's ok though, quite enjoyable in person. I wish I was located closer as I'd visit at least weekly if I lived less than an hour away.
>>>Obviously not a crude oil. Ha! <<<
That comment did give me pause. I think that piece is called Hippie Coppers if i recall correctly. Tough for me to pick just one but I'd probably lean towards the spaceship composition as one of my all time faves. From the new bunch, I'd pick (forgot the title of it) the cut out woman enjoying a smoke break but she was more than a tad out of my price range. That's ok though, quite enjoyable in person. I wish I was located closer as I'd visit at least weekly if I lived less than an hour away.
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Come on guys Get your new BANKSY'S OUT 4 THE LADS!, by lee3 on Jul 9, 2009 22:00:36 GMT 1, >>>The UFO was a consignment from Barley Legal and its buyer no? A request from the artist to include, with many of the crude oils. <<<
Exactly. Many/most of the crude oils were on consignment from their respective owners for the show. I recall asking about Insecurity and Silent Night and had the same reply on those too.
>>>The UFO was a consignment from Barley Legal and its buyer no? A request from the artist to include, with many of the crude oils. <<<
Exactly. Many/most of the crude oils were on consignment from their respective owners for the show. I recall asking about Insecurity and Silent Night and had the same reply on those too.
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Artnet Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by lee3 on Jul 9, 2009 21:28:18 GMT 1, Wow, so it's glorified ebay which imho is a disastrous move for that brand.
>>>I have heard the artnet price database is very good from a number of people, although $15000 sounds ludicrously high for a service like this.<<<
You have to do A LOT of searches to spend 15k on the price database. I beieve I pay around $30 per month which gives me 30 searches a month and is way more than I need.
Wow, so it's glorified ebay which imho is a disastrous move for that brand.
>>>I have heard the artnet price database is very good from a number of people, although $15000 sounds ludicrously high for a service like this.<<<
You have to do A LOT of searches to spend 15k on the price database. I beieve I pay around $30 per month which gives me 30 searches a month and is way more than I need.
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Come on guys Get your new BANKSY'S OUT 4 THE LADS!, by lee3 on Jul 9, 2009 21:21:33 GMT 1, >>>but considering how far prices have gone up one does begin to wonder whether we are looking a bubble... or is it just me<<<
The bubble popped last october the day after the Hirst sale. Those that buy primarily for specualtion are now trying to catch falling knives. Those that buy primarily for the love of the work itself are in a better position to buy quality than at any time over the past 5 or 6 years.
>>>the ufo paiting was about 300k if my memory serves <<<
It's not serving you well (mine often doesn't either though) as that one was not for sale. The only reason I'm certain is that as soon as I saw it, I ran downstairs in a near panic to find out for myself.
>>>but considering how far prices have gone up one does begin to wonder whether we are looking a bubble... or is it just me<<<
The bubble popped last october the day after the Hirst sale. Those that buy primarily for specualtion are now trying to catch falling knives. Those that buy primarily for the love of the work itself are in a better position to buy quality than at any time over the past 5 or 6 years.
>>>the ufo paiting was about 300k if my memory serves <<<
It's not serving you well (mine often doesn't either though) as that one was not for sale. The only reason I'm certain is that as soon as I saw it, I ran downstairs in a near panic to find out for myself.
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Artnet Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by lee3 on Jul 7, 2009 20:52:29 GMT 1, >>>I too am a paid up Artnetter but i use the site less and less these days. <<<
That's the beauty of subscription based business models. Once they get us, we're unlikely to cancel. I barely even use part of my account (though I'd readily admit that the annual price is worth the few times that i do)....
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>>>I too am a paid up Artnetter but i use the site less and less these days. <<<
That's the beauty of subscription based business models. Once they get us, we're unlikely to cancel. I barely even use part of my account (though I'd readily admit that the annual price is worth the few times that i do)....
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Artnet Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by lee3 on Jul 7, 2009 20:29:55 GMT 1, As a paid subscriber to artnet.com for as long as I can remember for both the Price Database and Market Alert with auto-renew (for what amounts to $50-70 per month if memory serves), I must say I prefer that site as a destination for information/research than pandering to me on blog sites for auctions that are arguably a tiny step above or below ebay.
Has business declined to a level that this is actually considered a wise growth idea for the brand? Further, if one holds themselves out as an art specialist website, wouldn't it be a good idea to try to make sure that your sales rates are at least in-line with the industry average (and i'm not including ebay as part of the industry)?
I'm actually stunned to see this thread and I know I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut if I don't have something nice to say but in this case I have to say I find this thread shocking - assuming the person who started it is affiliated with artnet.
As a paid subscriber to artnet.com for as long as I can remember for both the Price Database and Market Alert with auto-renew (for what amounts to $50-70 per month if memory serves), I must say I prefer that site as a destination for information/research than pandering to me on blog sites for auctions that are arguably a tiny step above or below ebay.
Has business declined to a level that this is actually considered a wise growth idea for the brand? Further, if one holds themselves out as an art specialist website, wouldn't it be a good idea to try to make sure that your sales rates are at least in-line with the industry average (and i'm not including ebay as part of the industry)?
I'm actually stunned to see this thread and I know I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut if I don't have something nice to say but in this case I have to say I find this thread shocking - assuming the person who started it is affiliated with artnet.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Jul 3, 2009 16:18:07 GMT 1, Wow JB, love that greed piece
Wow JB, love that greed piece
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BANKSY 'HEAVY WEAPONARY' CANVAS year 2000, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 22:24:36 GMT 1, >>>were all of the pieces at the museum show for sale Lee?<<<
No, many/most of the crude oils on the upper floors were not for sale. I certainly didn't ask about every piece but there were many I inquired about which were not for sale.
>>>were all of the pieces at the museum show for sale Lee?<<<
No, many/most of the crude oils on the upper floors were not for sale. I certainly didn't ask about every piece but there were many I inquired about which were not for sale.
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BANKSY 'HEAVY WEAPONARY' CANVAS year 2000, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 21:31:52 GMT 1, Was the one that sold at Christies last July 1st one of these or was that different?, that one had no writing, just the Elephant.
That one was unique (from the same show as the LIITA that sold today) and done about 2 years after the elephant in the edition to begin this thread. The stencil is a bit more robust as the animal is walking anatomically correct and similar to the edition of 25 which would come a year later if memory serves. You've got some memory.
Was the one that sold at Christies last July 1st one of these or was that different?, that one had no writing, just the Elephant. That one was unique (from the same show as the LIITA that sold today) and done about 2 years after the elephant in the edition to begin this thread. The stencil is a bit more robust as the animal is walking anatomically correct and similar to the edition of 25 which would come a year later if memory serves. You've got some memory.
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BANKSY 'HEAVY WEAPONARY' CANVAS year 2000, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 21:03:11 GMT 1, The 'Heavy Weaponary' that's currently on display at Banksy's Bristol City Museum Show is a real favourite of mine.
That piece is a gem and was the first piece I asked about and it was already sold.
The 'Heavy Weaponary' that's currently on display at Banksy's Bristol City Museum Show is a real favourite of mine. That piece is a gem and was the first piece I asked about and it was already sold.
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BANKSY 'HEAVY WEAPONARY' CANVAS year 2000, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 20:28:32 GMT 1, >>>Does this mean that there was only 3 produced with the 'London' and 'New York' crossed out and the remaining seven left as is. Anyone know? <<<
The vast majority of them have the London/NY/Bristol tag on them. Some have Bristol circled and variations on that theme. I've seen photos of at least 6 from this edition and if memory serves the one at Christie's today was the only one I've seen without it.
Snausages, I agree this composition is far better with the cities on it. But, bargain shoppers will certainly be submitting bids for that unsold one a good 30% or more below the low estimate. The same thing happened at Bonham's with their unsold Keep It Real earlier this year as there were more than a few (myself included) who submitted after auction bids and I know for a fact that it ended up selling for well into the estimate range which I found strange.
>>>Does this mean that there was only 3 produced with the 'London' and 'New York' crossed out and the remaining seven left as is. Anyone know? <<<
The vast majority of them have the London/NY/Bristol tag on them. Some have Bristol circled and variations on that theme. I've seen photos of at least 6 from this edition and if memory serves the one at Christie's today was the only one I've seen without it.
Snausages, I agree this composition is far better with the cities on it. But, bargain shoppers will certainly be submitting bids for that unsold one a good 30% or more below the low estimate. The same thing happened at Bonham's with their unsold Keep It Real earlier this year as there were more than a few (myself included) who submitted after auction bids and I know for a fact that it ended up selling for well into the estimate range which I found strange.
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BANKSY 'HEAVY WEAPONARY' CANVAS year 2000, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 19:38:16 GMT 1, Wizzy:
It was a simple spelling error. My memory can not recall but around the same time frame he misspelled graffiti (i believe with a pair of t's as opposed to f's on another composition). The legs of the elephant in this version of HW are also walking in a manner which is impossible for that animal. It's crude, early and raw Banksy.
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It was a simple spelling error. My memory can not recall but around the same time frame he misspelled graffiti (i believe with a pair of t's as opposed to f's on another composition). The legs of the elephant in this version of HW are also walking in a manner which is impossible for that animal. It's crude, early and raw Banksy.
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Come on guys Get your new BANKSY'S OUT 4 THE LADS!, by lee3 on Jul 1, 2009 16:36:58 GMT 1, >>>Any reason why everyone is being so coy, was there a non disclosure clause when buying?<<<
Of course there was no non-disclosure agreement. However, it is common etiquette for art shows to NOT be blasting asking prices all over publicly. For the minority of galleries that pusblish their prices online, then it is obvious that they welcome the discussion.
The vast majority of openings that I've attended over the past decade distribute pricing lists if you request it and one can walk around the work deciding for themselves if they are interested or not. Even at those types of events, it is quite rare to see the press report asking prices save for a low to high price range and maybe quoting the one or two most expensive pieces because it is obvious that the gallery wishes to keep that information between the gallery and its visitors. This is typical and common within the art world.
This particular show had no price list that was distributed widely (it may have been handed out to a few people but I certainly never held one). In this case, you had to ask specifically regarding a work of art that you were interested in which suggests that they want to keep that information less public than the norm which should come as no surprise to anyone who follows this artist. Therefore, people are not being rude; they are simply being polite and respecting unwritten yet obvious wishes. Yes, some prices will get out there and I'm sure they have nothing to hide but we all have to appreciate that it's not something they wanted to blast into every visitors ears and respect it accordingly.
I believe the true intention of this show was to share the work with the public for free and let them decide on the merit of his work and most importantly- simply enjoy the experience for what it is. That is my interpretation anyway and a price list out in the public domain certainly changes that experience for most people.
>>>Any reason why everyone is being so coy, was there a non disclosure clause when buying?<<<
Of course there was no non-disclosure agreement. However, it is common etiquette for art shows to NOT be blasting asking prices all over publicly. For the minority of galleries that pusblish their prices online, then it is obvious that they welcome the discussion.
The vast majority of openings that I've attended over the past decade distribute pricing lists if you request it and one can walk around the work deciding for themselves if they are interested or not. Even at those types of events, it is quite rare to see the press report asking prices save for a low to high price range and maybe quoting the one or two most expensive pieces because it is obvious that the gallery wishes to keep that information between the gallery and its visitors. This is typical and common within the art world.
This particular show had no price list that was distributed widely (it may have been handed out to a few people but I certainly never held one). In this case, you had to ask specifically regarding a work of art that you were interested in which suggests that they want to keep that information less public than the norm which should come as no surprise to anyone who follows this artist. Therefore, people are not being rude; they are simply being polite and respecting unwritten yet obvious wishes. Yes, some prices will get out there and I'm sure they have nothing to hide but we all have to appreciate that it's not something they wanted to blast into every visitors ears and respect it accordingly.
I believe the true intention of this show was to share the work with the public for free and let them decide on the merit of his work and most importantly- simply enjoy the experience for what it is. That is my interpretation anyway and a price list out in the public domain certainly changes that experience for most people.
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stolen barcode, by lee3 on Jun 30, 2009 20:18:38 GMT 1, >>>This seems out of context with your many many excellent comments on different threads (wk) Lee, or am I reading it wrong? kids aren't stupid dude..
I want kids to enjoy Banksy's work, I want teachers who like banksy to be teaching kids, I like the idea of kids seeing subversive art not only in their school, but on their headteachers wall - glorious. So many teachers are dull as feck kids can't related to them and don't want to, this guy sounds great, shame it nicked and all, but it sure don't make him a moron <<<
I wasn't suggesting that all kids are stupid though many of them are and I certainly was. What I was trying to say is that it's stupid on the part of the teacher to hang an object that desirable in a location swarmed with hundreds of children and not necessarily under good security. From my vantage point, all it takes is one child who likes the work coupled with their sense of immortality or a prank to make it disappear. I stole as a 9 year old from the candy store and as a result my father beat the living tar out of me and made me apologize and I learned my lesson probably better than any other lesson was ever taught to me. It doesn't change the fact that I stole something though.
Even as a 17 year old I did some really STUPID stuff with cars and other friends that given hindsight I clearly wouldn't do today. Plus, as the head master, you've got kids that want to wrong you regardless by virtue of your position of authority.
I'm all for teaching children about art. That said, imho the teacher is asking for it by hanging something like that near a school full of kids.
>>>This seems out of context with your many many excellent comments on different threads (wk) Lee, or am I reading it wrong? kids aren't stupid dude..
I want kids to enjoy Banksy's work, I want teachers who like banksy to be teaching kids, I like the idea of kids seeing subversive art not only in their school, but on their headteachers wall - glorious. So many teachers are dull as feck kids can't related to them and don't want to, this guy sounds great, shame it nicked and all, but it sure don't make him a moron <<<
I wasn't suggesting that all kids are stupid though many of them are and I certainly was. What I was trying to say is that it's stupid on the part of the teacher to hang an object that desirable in a location swarmed with hundreds of children and not necessarily under good security. From my vantage point, all it takes is one child who likes the work coupled with their sense of immortality or a prank to make it disappear. I stole as a 9 year old from the candy store and as a result my father beat the living tar out of me and made me apologize and I learned my lesson probably better than any other lesson was ever taught to me. It doesn't change the fact that I stole something though.
Even as a 17 year old I did some really STUPID stuff with cars and other friends that given hindsight I clearly wouldn't do today. Plus, as the head master, you've got kids that want to wrong you regardless by virtue of your position of authority.
I'm all for teaching children about art. That said, imho the teacher is asking for it by hanging something like that near a school full of kids.
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stolen barcode, by lee3 on Jun 30, 2009 15:56:54 GMT 1, >>>Is GET YOUR ART WORK OUT FOR THE LADS a good idea?<<<
That's a fair question and I certainly don't want to jinx myself but one has to understand how rarely art is stolen relative to other assets. It is VERY difficult to get anything close to its value and beyond easy to trace. As long as people keep their COA's in a bank box and are insured well, you should be fine but one can never be to sure can they? With the advent of miniature GPS chips, it's quite easy for the owner to hide a chip thinner than a finger nail and smaller than a centimeter in the frame or stretcher that any thief would never see and the police will come knocking in no time. Let's face it, everyone reads about big time art thefts because the occur so rarely. When they do occur it's because someone is jonesing for a 10M painting from a museum to hang on their wall that they are not going to try and sell. You send off telegraphic notice to the auction houses and authentication teams and the work becomes nearly impossible to sell within 24 hours.
I recall a funny story from David Choe recounting how many times his studio had been broken into and vandalized with drums or paint stolen but never a painting. People just don't steal art very often (knock on wood) because it's large, a very difficult sell, and the chances of getting caught are EXTREMELY high relative to camera or stereo equipment and they grow higher by the day with the advances of technology.
>>>Is GET YOUR ART WORK OUT FOR THE LADS a good idea?<<<
That's a fair question and I certainly don't want to jinx myself but one has to understand how rarely art is stolen relative to other assets. It is VERY difficult to get anything close to its value and beyond easy to trace. As long as people keep their COA's in a bank box and are insured well, you should be fine but one can never be to sure can they? With the advent of miniature GPS chips, it's quite easy for the owner to hide a chip thinner than a finger nail and smaller than a centimeter in the frame or stretcher that any thief would never see and the police will come knocking in no time. Let's face it, everyone reads about big time art thefts because the occur so rarely. When they do occur it's because someone is jonesing for a 10M painting from a museum to hang on their wall that they are not going to try and sell. You send off telegraphic notice to the auction houses and authentication teams and the work becomes nearly impossible to sell within 24 hours.
I recall a funny story from David Choe recounting how many times his studio had been broken into and vandalized with drums or paint stolen but never a painting. People just don't steal art very often (knock on wood) because it's large, a very difficult sell, and the chances of getting caught are EXTREMELY high relative to camera or stereo equipment and they grow higher by the day with the advances of technology.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Jun 30, 2009 4:54:53 GMT 1, thanks all.
>>is that barcode about two feet by two-and-a-half feet? <<<
ha ha, no- i wish. If memory serves it's ~ 20x18 inches.
>>what happened to the elephants? <<
they are roaming around other parts of the house which seems to be quickly morphing into a safari.
>>By the way, that Barcode is by far and away my favourite Banksy image to date and the flower thrower is stunning (the nicest I've seen). Enjoy them all in good health.<<
thank you, thank you. I too share your admiration for the barcode and it is probably my favorite of the bunch, although this monkey might unseat it. Time will tell, and hopefully it will take 50+ years for me to make up my mind.
thanks all.
>>is that barcode about two feet by two-and-a-half feet? <<<
ha ha, no- i wish. If memory serves it's ~ 20x18 inches.
>>what happened to the elephants? <<
they are roaming around other parts of the house which seems to be quickly morphing into a safari.
>>By the way, that Barcode is by far and away my favourite Banksy image to date and the flower thrower is stunning (the nicest I've seen). Enjoy them all in good health.<<
thank you, thank you. I too share your admiration for the barcode and it is probably my favorite of the bunch, although this monkey might unseat it. Time will tell, and hopefully it will take 50+ years for me to make up my mind.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by lee3 on Jun 30, 2009 1:43:41 GMT 1, The positive aspect of the art correction is that it permits us to buy that which was previously out of reach. Jenni at Helium made this addition possible and I couldnโt be more delighted and look forward to doing business with them again. I was like a kid on xmas morning as the anticipation of opening up this piece had me up well before my alarm this morning. As you can see this one was roughed up in the before photo from the lack of use of primer on the canvas which resulted in the canvas expanding or contracting as temperatures increased/cooled.
PC and Jenni both recommended the fine folks at Conservation and Restoration Paintings and I believe it was Julia who worked her magic and the result is beyond my wildest imagination. I have no idea how to frame this one and might try to get creative but for now Iโm just going to enjoy staring at it.
One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain
The positive aspect of the art correction is that it permits us to buy that which was previously out of reach. Jenni at Helium made this addition possible and I couldnโt be more delighted and look forward to doing business with them again. I was like a kid on xmas morning as the anticipation of opening up this piece had me up well before my alarm this morning. As you can see this one was roughed up in the before photo from the lack of use of primer on the canvas which resulted in the canvas expanding or contracting as temperatures increased/cooled. PC and Jenni both recommended the fine folks at Conservation and Restoration Paintings and I believe it was Julia who worked her magic and the result is beyond my wildest imagination. I have no idea how to frame this one and might try to get creative but for now Iโm just going to enjoy staring at it. One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain
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