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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Viking Surfer on Apr 30, 2017 0:18:11 GMT 1, A few other floats:
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by whiteside on Jun 22, 2017 22:19:00 GMT 1, As someone with limited experience of framing, what is - roughly speaking - the added cost of float mounting a print compared to a standard mount?
As someone with limited experience of framing, what is - roughly speaking - the added cost of float mounting a print compared to a standard mount?
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 22:26:52 GMT 1, 0.0 p
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Jaylove on Jun 23, 2017 0:14:07 GMT 1, None really.
None really.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by iamzero on Jun 23, 2017 0:20:35 GMT 1, It takes longer to float mount than it does to window mount.
It takes longer to float mount than it does to window mount.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by nex on Jun 23, 2017 0:30:40 GMT 1, As someone with limited experience of framing, what is - roughly speaking - the added cost of float mounting a print compared to a standard mount?
No added cost plus the benefit the whole print will remain the same colour (rather than seeing fading between the print in the light andunder the mount).
A decent framer should ensure the print has been flattened well prior to floating.
As someone with limited experience of framing, what is - roughly speaking - the added cost of float mounting a print compared to a standard mount? No added cost plus the benefit the whole print will remain the same colour (rather than seeing fading between the print in the light andunder the mount). A decent framer should ensure the print has been flattened well prior to floating.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Quinnster on Jun 23, 2017 21:49:06 GMT 1, I get everything floated...
I get everything floated...
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by lg2771 on Feb 16, 2018 5:39:21 GMT 1, I notice a lot of people around here get their prints float framed. Is that just a stylistic preference or is it more of an archival option?
Also, is there some sort of guide to framing out there? I don’t really know anything about it and I tried to google but couldn’t come up with anything helpful.
Thanks!
I notice a lot of people around here get their prints float framed. Is that just a stylistic preference or is it more of an archival option?
Also, is there some sort of guide to framing out there? I don’t really know anything about it and I tried to google but couldn’t come up with anything helpful.
Thanks!
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by iamzero on Feb 16, 2018 7:38:30 GMT 1, Plenty of stuff out there on float mounting dude.
Plenty of stuff out there on float mounting dude.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Unica on Feb 16, 2018 8:47:41 GMT 1, A lot of people like to float mount including myself, I prefer it as I've seen to often prints framed with matts over their borders damaging the prints, leaving light burn marks, upon inspection usually when you are trying to sell an expensive print will have a light border around it when the print is removed. I know you'll get plenty of people to say "who carea abut value enjoy the art on the wall" Thats all well and good until you come to sell you expensive print, post photos of the print with the burn marks and then get comments complaining about how your print is damaged. If you intend to keep the print forever, then it doesn't really matter.
A lot of people like to float mount including myself, I prefer it as I've seen to often prints framed with matts over their borders damaging the prints, leaving light burn marks, upon inspection usually when you are trying to sell an expensive print will have a light border around it when the print is removed. I know you'll get plenty of people to say "who carea abut value enjoy the art on the wall" Thats all well and good until you come to sell you expensive print, post photos of the print with the burn marks and then get comments complaining about how your print is damaged. If you intend to keep the print forever, then it doesn't really matter.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by gd79 on Feb 16, 2018 9:18:34 GMT 1, Here is a way to think about it.
If you want to display the print as an 'object' then float it. You see the whole print, the edges, the border everything. I always float anything with deckled edges. However, paper has its own life, and wont just conveniently settle into a perfectly flat form. Especially in the greenhouse of a glass box. The larger the print, the more you'll see a waviness to the paper. This is a feature of the object, and something that I think looks great.
If you want to display the image, then mount it. You then get a tighter look. There is less to distract the eye from the image of the print itself. For some paper types that have been cut sharp, this is the only way. Mounting gives the print stability.
There is also dry mounting. Personally I love this, and most of my photography pieces are dry mounted onto aluminium and then literally floated in a box frame. This is a bit different - the aluminium is spaced off the back board, so the work appears to float in the frame. Dry mounting is irreversible. It will destroy some (most) prints. But it is accepted practice for others.
Here is a way to think about it.
If you want to display the print as an 'object' then float it. You see the whole print, the edges, the border everything. I always float anything with deckled edges. However, paper has its own life, and wont just conveniently settle into a perfectly flat form. Especially in the greenhouse of a glass box. The larger the print, the more you'll see a waviness to the paper. This is a feature of the object, and something that I think looks great.
If you want to display the image, then mount it. You then get a tighter look. There is less to distract the eye from the image of the print itself. For some paper types that have been cut sharp, this is the only way. Mounting gives the print stability.
There is also dry mounting. Personally I love this, and most of my photography pieces are dry mounted onto aluminium and then literally floated in a box frame. This is a bit different - the aluminium is spaced off the back board, so the work appears to float in the frame. Dry mounting is irreversible. It will destroy some (most) prints. But it is accepted practice for others.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by woobl on Feb 16, 2018 10:59:18 GMT 1, The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden.
The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by lg2771 on Feb 16, 2018 16:22:56 GMT 1, Thanks to (mostly everyone) for the help! Really appreciate it!
Thanks to (mostly everyone) for the help! Really appreciate it!
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by nobokov on Feb 16, 2018 17:12:34 GMT 1, The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden. I've had a thought recently that artists are choosing to use deckled edges not so much for the aesthetics, but to be practical as there might be less chances in damage and replacements needed from shipping. If it's deckled, then perhaps the customer has less reason to complain about a little ding in a corner. Do you all think there's any truth to that?
The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden. I've had a thought recently that artists are choosing to use deckled edges not so much for the aesthetics, but to be practical as there might be less chances in damage and replacements needed from shipping. If it's deckled, then perhaps the customer has less reason to complain about a little ding in a corner. Do you all think there's any truth to that?
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by lg2771 on Feb 17, 2018 1:42:58 GMT 1, The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden. I've had a thought recently that artists are choosing to use deckled edges not so much for the aesthetics, but to be practical as there might be less chances in damage and replacements needed from shipping. If it's deckled, then perhaps the customer has less reason to complain about a little ding in a corner. Do you all think there's any truth to that? I think it definitely helps people not complain anymore. I think it also looks a lot better (for most prints)
The only prints I get float mounts are as Romulus says, with deckled edges in sight. My view is that the artist chose to create the print with such an edge so it should be shown the way. If you go with a good Framer such as Mister Frame Man or PFG you'll be golden. I've had a thought recently that artists are choosing to use deckled edges not so much for the aesthetics, but to be practical as there might be less chances in damage and replacements needed from shipping. If it's deckled, then perhaps the customer has less reason to complain about a little ding in a corner. Do you all think there's any truth to that? I think it definitely helps people not complain anymore. I think it also looks a lot better (for most prints)
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by mrbagel on Feb 17, 2018 2:17:20 GMT 1, Float mounting even when done perfectly will always mean a form of adhesive is touching the back of the artwork. It can be performed perfectly, almost without trace, but there's always an inherent risk.
There are other methods where this is not required.
Window mounts are fine with conservation materials, especially museum cotton rag board (no yellowing from acid migration), >99% UV glazing (ideally Museum or Optium) and careful placement out of direct sunlight, with mylar strips or corners. Done.
Get any float mounting done by a qualified ICON certified conservator, in my opinion, if the piece is of any value. I think most people get a framed piece back and assume everything is great, but fewer have revisited the work 20 years later and tried to reverse the process.
Float mounting even when done perfectly will always mean a form of adhesive is touching the back of the artwork. It can be performed perfectly, almost without trace, but there's always an inherent risk.
There are other methods where this is not required.
Window mounts are fine with conservation materials, especially museum cotton rag board (no yellowing from acid migration), >99% UV glazing (ideally Museum or Optium) and careful placement out of direct sunlight, with mylar strips or corners. Done.
Get any float mounting done by a qualified ICON certified conservator, in my opinion, if the piece is of any value. I think most people get a framed piece back and assume everything is great, but fewer have revisited the work 20 years later and tried to reverse the process.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by iamzero on Feb 17, 2018 9:27:04 GMT 1, There’s seems to be a lot of talk of hinges being attached to the reverse of a print being a problem. Visiting galleries like Halcyon where I’ve seen many prints worth thousands of pounds float mounted where it’s clear to see where the hinges are. If there was a problem with this method I’m sure it wouldn’t still be used. A little bit of information is sometimes a bad thing.
There’s seems to be a lot of talk of hinges being attached to the reverse of a print being a problem. Visiting galleries like Halcyon where I’ve seen many prints worth thousands of pounds float mounted where it’s clear to see where the hinges are. If there was a problem with this method I’m sure it wouldn’t still be used. A little bit of information is sometimes a bad thing.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by racket on Feb 17, 2018 10:29:05 GMT 1, Some people think that window mount is a bit dated/old fashioned. Plus prints will inevitably fade slightly over time, so floating avoids any burn/discoloration or uneven fading with the Mount.
Some people think that window mount is a bit dated/old fashioned. Plus prints will inevitably fade slightly over time, so floating avoids any burn/discoloration or uneven fading with the Mount.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Quinnster on Feb 24, 2018 11:00:26 GMT 1, Float in a white frame looks the nuts on most prints....
Float in a white frame looks the nuts on most prints....
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by gmh1910 on Feb 27, 2018 20:25:43 GMT 1, Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art.
Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by Bruno Art 99 on Apr 5, 2018 20:21:53 GMT 1, Hi really need some advice ,have just purchased a large printers proof approx 90x90 to include the border ,the difficulty is that the artist has written notes down two of the sides so matting is out ,my framer is worried that floating such a large print in will bow in the middle ,any help very much appreciated
Hi really need some advice ,have just purchased a large printers proof approx 90x90 to include the border ,the difficulty is that the artist has written notes down two of the sides so matting is out ,my framer is worried that floating such a large print in will bow in the middle ,any help very much appreciated
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by therivler1 on Apr 5, 2018 20:31:41 GMT 1, full bleed prints are another reason for floating (Kaws)
full bleed prints are another reason for floating (Kaws)
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by nobokov on Apr 5, 2018 20:42:53 GMT 1, Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art. I have a question - for those prints that are framed unmatted flush with the frame sides, does the print borders then touch the spacers? If so, are there any concerns with the spacer touching the paper?
Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art. I have a question - for those prints that are framed unmatted flush with the frame sides, does the print borders then touch the spacers? If so, are there any concerns with the spacer touching the paper?
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by chr1s on Apr 6, 2018 14:25:43 GMT 1, I also made this video on doing a simple pendant hinge using wheat paste and Japanese mulberry paper.
I also made this video on doing a simple pendant hinge using wheat paste and Japanese mulberry paper.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by chr1s on Apr 6, 2018 14:27:25 GMT 1, And one of the benefits of using wheat paste and Japanese mulberry paper is that it is completely reversible. Seeing is believing. Have a look at this other video I made showing the reverse process.
And just to explain what I did in the video....I dipped the Q-tip into distilled water. A light touch of the distilled water is all it takes to break the bond. And there is absolutely no evidence that the paper was ever hinged. I've done this with pieces that were hinged decades earlier with wheat paste and the process is just as quick and easy. This is why using wheat paste and mulberry paper is the preferred method at museums (I work at a museum by the way). At the end of the video I'm dabbing the paper with a piece of blotter paper to absorb any moisture that might be left on the paper.
And one of the benefits of using wheat paste and Japanese mulberry paper is that it is completely reversible. Seeing is believing. Have a look at this other video I made showing the reverse process.
And just to explain what I did in the video....I dipped the Q-tip into distilled water. A light touch of the distilled water is all it takes to break the bond. And there is absolutely no evidence that the paper was ever hinged. I've done this with pieces that were hinged decades earlier with wheat paste and the process is just as quick and easy. This is why using wheat paste and mulberry paper is the preferred method at museums (I work at a museum by the way). At the end of the video I'm dabbing the paper with a piece of blotter paper to absorb any moisture that might be left on the paper.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by darren6 on Apr 6, 2018 14:31:16 GMT 1, I like to float mount my prints so you can see the whole image/paper in it's pure format. Looks natural.
I like to float mount my prints so you can see the whole image/paper in it's pure format. Looks natural.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by gmidd on Apr 6, 2018 14:47:32 GMT 1, Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art. I have a question - for those prints that are framed unmatted flush with the frame sides, does the print borders then touch the spacers? If so, are there any concerns with the spacer touching the paper? I have quite a few prints framed to the edge with spacers and haven't had any problems. The only issue I could see is if you squeeze the print to tight against the spacers I suppose there's a possibility they could leave indentations on the print border.
Float mount allows for the whole sheet to be seen - effective when the image is printed to the edge of the sheet or the piece is large. A couple of things to remember if float mounting - USE SPACERS! sorry for shouting. Spacers go between the mounting board (which the art is floated on) and the plexi/glass. Spacers as the name suggest keep the piece of art away from the glass. This is important for the long term health of your art. Paper expands and contracts especially when humidity fluctuates. One reason I like to use matting - aside from find it can enhance a piece - is that it allows for non-invasive mounting methods such as photo corners or "See Through Archival Mounting Strips". One thing to remember is to allow a bit of space about 1/8 inch left, right and top for the paper to breathe. Several posts on this section ask about rippling. IMHO I would guess that the pieces are framed and have been adhered down on all sides. This does not allow the paper to breathe and thus ripples. Hope some of this helps. I have more than 25 years framing and art dealing experience. PS if you can always use acrylic/plexi. It does not shatter and thus gives a greater degree of protection to your art. I have a question - for those prints that are framed unmatted flush with the frame sides, does the print borders then touch the spacers? If so, are there any concerns with the spacer touching the paper? I have quite a few prints framed to the edge with spacers and haven't had any problems. The only issue I could see is if you squeeze the print to tight against the spacers I suppose there's a possibility they could leave indentations on the print border.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by soupy on Apr 6, 2018 15:29:08 GMT 1, i float mount deckled edges or full bleed prints. i think floating straight cut prints (with white borders) looks odd. just my personal preference.
when framing straight cut bordered prints, i use clear spacers so that any sort of long term discoloration can be reduced a bit since there isn't a drastic line from fading.
i float mount deckled edges or full bleed prints. i think floating straight cut prints (with white borders) looks odd. just my personal preference.
when framing straight cut bordered prints, i use clear spacers so that any sort of long term discoloration can be reduced a bit since there isn't a drastic line from fading.
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Float Mounting • Deckled Edge, by gmidd on Apr 6, 2018 17:40:46 GMT 1, i float mount deckled edges or full bleed prints. i think floating straight cut prints (with white borders) looks odd. just my personal preference. when framing straight cut bordered prints, i use clear spacers so that any sort of long term discoloration can be reduced a bit since there isn't a drastic line from fading. 100% agree. I won't float anything that has a border because it doesn't seem like it's worth the extra effort.
I really like how Static Medium has been printing a lot of their stuff lately (i.e. Audrey Kawasaki, Esao Andrews, etc.) with a 1/8th inch white border so you can frame with spacers and no mat and don't have to worry about discoloration or any extra border showing.
i float mount deckled edges or full bleed prints. i think floating straight cut prints (with white borders) looks odd. just my personal preference. when framing straight cut bordered prints, i use clear spacers so that any sort of long term discoloration can be reduced a bit since there isn't a drastic line from fading. 100% agree. I won't float anything that has a border because it doesn't seem like it's worth the extra effort. I really like how Static Medium has been printing a lot of their stuff lately (i.e. Audrey Kawasaki, Esao Andrews, etc.) with a 1/8th inch white border so you can frame with spacers and no mat and don't have to worry about discoloration or any extra border showing.
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