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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Feral Things on Jun 22, 2016 22:03:32 GMT 1, The whole thing is built on a cast system
Getting back to the EU referendum question, for what it's worth I'm voting Remain. I wouldn't want to be in the Norwegian's position of paying for the common market and following its rules while not getting a say in how it's run. If instead we're going to have our own trade agreement with the EU then it should be borne in mind that trade agreements are deeply complex and nuanced things; it's not simply a case that one country agrees to freely trade with another country. As with any negotiation, the terms will favour the larger, more powerful party so the UK would inevitably be negotiating from a position of weakness.
With regard to the issue of EU laws, I have to admit that I don't know specifically which laws that originate from the EU are so objectionable to people. Most of these laws are technical laws relating to trade and the environment. The cases which grab the headlines relate to the Human Rights Act and the ECHR which (although I support both) are completely separate to the EU. If the issue is that these laws are not passed by Parliament then it's worth baring in mind that the majority of UK legislation is in the form of secondary legislation like statutory instruments, which also aren't passed by Parliament.
I don't think the EU is perfect but I very much hope that we remain and work to improve things for everyone rather than become more inward looking.
The whole thing is built on a cast system Your sweeping statement about the Asian community is just plain wrong and problems with a small minority of people shouldn't be used to tar a whole section of our society. Certainly none of my friends who are of Malaysian, Sri Lankan or Indian descent have anything at all to do with the caste system. Getting back to the EU referendum question, for what it's worth I'm voting Remain. I wouldn't want to be in the Norwegian's position of paying for the common market and following its rules while not getting a say in how it's run. If instead we're going to have our own trade agreement with the EU then it should be borne in mind that trade agreements are deeply complex and nuanced things; it's not simply a case that one country agrees to freely trade with another country. As with any negotiation, the terms will favour the larger, more powerful party so the UK would inevitably be negotiating from a position of weakness. With regard to the issue of EU laws, I have to admit that I don't know specifically which laws that originate from the EU are so objectionable to people. Most of these laws are technical laws relating to trade and the environment. The cases which grab the headlines relate to the Human Rights Act and the ECHR which (although I support both) are completely separate to the EU. If the issue is that these laws are not passed by Parliament then it's worth baring in mind that the majority of UK legislation is in the form of secondary legislation like statutory instruments, which also aren't passed by Parliament. I don't think the EU is perfect but I very much hope that we remain and work to improve things for everyone rather than become more inward looking. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 22, 2016 22:04:35 GMT 1, To all the people saying vote in, if we were not already in and we were voting to enter the EU tomorrow would you vote yes? What about you coach? You seem pretty keen on staying in.
I am indeed pretty keen on staying in.
I can't answer your question with complete conviction. It's a different question to the one being posed tomorrow. As such, there has been no reputable news coverage, no expert commentary, no predictions or reports, etc. to help me decide.
If the question you pose was being decided tomorrow I would research what both sides were arguing, and decide whose evidence I preferred. I would not base my decision on what might be best for me, but rather what might be best for everyone, especially the younger generation and kids, as its a once in a generation decision.
I would, however, venture that my current gut feeling is that I would vote to join. I feel European. I feel no more affection for any one human being over another (friends and family aside, of course).
To all the people saying vote in, if we were not already in and we were voting to enter the EU tomorrow would you vote yes? What about you coach? You seem pretty keen on staying in. I am indeed pretty keen on staying in. I can't answer your question with complete conviction. It's a different question to the one being posed tomorrow. As such, there has been no reputable news coverage, no expert commentary, no predictions or reports, etc. to help me decide. If the question you pose was being decided tomorrow I would research what both sides were arguing, and decide whose evidence I preferred. I would not base my decision on what might be best for me, but rather what might be best for everyone, especially the younger generation and kids, as its a once in a generation decision. I would, however, venture that my current gut feeling is that I would vote to join. I feel European. I feel no more affection for any one human being over another (friends and family aside, of course). |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 22, 2016 22:17:36 GMT 1, With respect dude, just because your friends don't have anything to do with the caste system doesn't mean it doesn't go on. All I can tell you is that I live in the heavily populated city of Leicester and am aware it happens.
With respect dude, just because your friends don't have anything to do with the caste system doesn't mean it doesn't go on. All I can tell you is that I live in the heavily populated city of Leicester and am aware it happens.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Jun 22, 2016 22:18:33 GMT 1, Reminder of how the voting form will look tomorrow -
Reminder of how the voting form will look tomorrow - |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by mojo on Jun 22, 2016 22:25:58 GMT 1, This whole referendum is vile insipid hateful and has done more damage to the UK than any war could have.
Thanks David Cameron you have successfully ruined everything you are the worst prime minister ever including Thatcher. You have forced your government, meaning us, to turn against one another and bicker and argue about issues that frankly are your failings. Corporate greed, corruption and tax avoidance are the cause of most of the issues your electorate are struggling with not just in the UK or Europe but throughout the entire world. The sooner this political pantomime is over the better. RIP Jo Cox
Randomly watched this you tube today ..... same shit different decade.
This whole referendum is vile insipid hateful and has done more damage to the UK than any war could have.
Thanks David Cameron you have successfully ruined everything you are the worst prime minister ever including Thatcher. You have forced your government, meaning us, to turn against one another and bicker and argue about issues that frankly are your failings. Corporate greed, corruption and tax avoidance are the cause of most of the issues your electorate are struggling with not just in the UK or Europe but throughout the entire world. The sooner this political pantomime is over the better. RIP Jo Cox
Randomly watched this you tube today ..... same shit different decade.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Feral Things on Jun 22, 2016 22:32:17 GMT 1, With respect dude, just because your friends don't have anything to do with the caste system doesn't mean it doesn't go on. All I can tell you is that I live in the heavily populated city of Leicester and am aware it happens.
With respect dude, just because your friends don't have anything to do with the caste system doesn't mean it doesn't go on. All I can tell you is that I live in the heavily populated city of Leicester and am aware it happens. Your post stated that the ' whole thing is built on a cast system'; I hope you can see that that's very different to stating that bad things go on with some individuals. I live in a multi-cultural neighourhood in Bristol and it certainly doesn't reflect the vast, vast majority of the community that I love living side by side with. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 22:43:55 GMT 1, Big political event tomorrow = the perfect opportunity for a surprise and long overdue Banksy print release.
Big political event tomorrow = the perfect opportunity for a surprise and long overdue Banksy print release.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 22, 2016 22:44:59 GMT 1, A little pedantic but I see your point. The whole thing WAS built on a caste system which still exists to some extent whether we like is or not. Is that worded any better? My uncle is an Indian businessman and I know that some people won't deal with him and he in turn doesn't deal with others for these historic reasons. Sorry to break it to ya and it's only my experience but its true. .
A little pedantic but I see your point. The whole thing WAS built on a caste system which still exists to some extent whether we like is or not. Is that worded any better? My uncle is an Indian businessman and I know that some people won't deal with him and he in turn doesn't deal with others for these historic reasons. Sorry to break it to ya and it's only my experience but its true. .
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 22, 2016 22:45:47 GMT 1, Big political event tomorrow = the perfect opportunity for a surprise and long overdue Banksy print release.
Perhaps a masked gorilla sprinkled in EU glitter.
Big political event tomorrow = the perfect opportunity for a surprise and long overdue Banksy print release. Perhaps a masked gorilla sprinkled in EU glitter. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Jun 22, 2016 22:50:55 GMT 1,
I must be misunderstanding it. It looks to me that it says 45% Remain, 42% Leave, 13% don't know.
I must be misunderstanding it. It looks to me that it says 45% Remain, 42% Leave, 13% don't know. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Cornish Crayon on Jun 22, 2016 22:56:42 GMT 1, Reminder of how the voting form will look tomorrow -
Are you bored silky ?
Reminder of how the voting form will look tomorrow - Are you bored silky ? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 23:15:14 GMT 1, Surely there's a way to have a united Europe without the money wasting EU spongers.
There is: Remain in the EU and work towards democratising and improving the union.
Who, in your mind iamzero, are the "the money wasting EU spongers"?
Surely there's a way to have a united Europe without the money wasting EU spongers. There is: Remain in the EU and work towards democratising and improving the union. Who, in your mind iamzero, are the "the money wasting EU spongers"? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 23:21:41 GMT 1,
Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future.
Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by kaos on Jun 22, 2016 23:35:54 GMT 1, I just watched this presentation - a real education.
I think everyone whose is voting tomorrow should watch this.
I just watched this presentation - a real education.
I think everyone whose is voting tomorrow should watch this.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by searchandrescue on Jun 22, 2016 23:40:01 GMT 1, Read this quote today from Billy Bragg and dismissed it.
This image, of a smirking Nigel Farage in front of a poster of dark skinned people, sums up why I decided to vote to remain in the EU: Not every Leave voter is a racist, but every racist will vote Leave.
But on reflection its an interesting question. We all know racist's exist in the UK but would there be any possibly scenario were one would vote remain?
Also was the £600k donated by the BNP to the leave campaign politely rejected? If not should it have been.
Billy Bragg's an idiot champagne socialist. Racism comes in all colors and there was a documentary on Channel 4 citizen Khan or something similar and shot up north somewhere. The Pakistanis were complaining that they didnt like the Romanians and plenty of ethnic minorities in the Uk are against more immigration from many countries. Tribal racism has existed for centuries. Dan Hodges wrote an article regarding the Torys vans saying illegal immigrants should go home, he wrote there were official signs saying blacks go home. I asked him to show proof of these signs. He did not. Ed Miliband made a speech saying he would prevent eastern Europeans from Poland entering the UK. That's targeted racism but thats OK cos Poles are white. The wording on the UKIP poster could have said anything that UKIP wanted it to say, but the photo of fit healthy young men marching towards UK, Germany etc going through safe countries shows them to be migrants not refugees.
Read this quote today from Billy Bragg and dismissed it.
This image, of a smirking Nigel Farage in front of a poster of dark skinned people, sums up why I decided to vote to remain in the EU: Not every Leave voter is a racist, but every racist will vote Leave.
But on reflection its an interesting question. We all know racist's exist in the UK but would there be any possibly scenario were one would vote remain?
Also was the £600k donated by the BNP to the leave campaign politely rejected? If not should it have been.
Billy Bragg's an idiot champagne socialist. Racism comes in all colors and there was a documentary on Channel 4 citizen Khan or something similar and shot up north somewhere. The Pakistanis were complaining that they didnt like the Romanians and plenty of ethnic minorities in the Uk are against more immigration from many countries. Tribal racism has existed for centuries. Dan Hodges wrote an article regarding the Torys vans saying illegal immigrants should go home, he wrote there were official signs saying blacks go home. I asked him to show proof of these signs. He did not. Ed Miliband made a speech saying he would prevent eastern Europeans from Poland entering the UK. That's targeted racism but thats OK cos Poles are white. The wording on the UKIP poster could have said anything that UKIP wanted it to say, but the photo of fit healthy young men marching towards UK, Germany etc going through safe countries shows them to be migrants not refugees. +1 |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by searchandrescue on Jun 22, 2016 23:46:46 GMT 1, thanks for posting. So if we didn't have the 2004 accession states the EU graph would have remained pretty much as it was?
thanks for posting. So if we didn't have the 2004 accession states the EU graph would have remained pretty much as it was? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by iamzero on Jun 23, 2016 0:09:18 GMT 1, Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future.
If only the politicians could've put things across as simply as this perhaps we wouldn't be in such a mess making decisions.
Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future. If only the politicians could've put things across as simply as this perhaps we wouldn't be in such a mess making decisions. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Strange Al on Jun 23, 2016 0:20:56 GMT 1, To all the people saying vote in, if we were not already in and we were voting to enter the EU tomorrow would you vote yes? What about you coach? You seem pretty keen on staying in.
Do you think it's helpful to have in mind when making a decision on how to vote tomorrow?
My personal view is that whilst it's an interesting topic for debate, the question is a red herring cast by the leave campaign to divert people's minds from the practical realities of what a leave vote will actually mean for the country. As others have commented, it's not the question the nation faces in this referendum and the pros and cons one needs to weigh up in making tomorrow's decision simply are not the same as would be faced by the nation in a hypothetical join scenario.
To all the people saying vote in, if we were not already in and we were voting to enter the EU tomorrow would you vote yes? What about you coach? You seem pretty keen on staying in. You raise an interesting hypothetical question Diz. It's one I've heard leaders of the Leave campaign pose to the public in recent weeks (including, in the opening speeches of the BBC's televised debate on Tuesday). Do you think it's helpful to have in mind when making a decision on how to vote tomorrow? My personal view is that whilst it's an interesting topic for debate, the question is a red herring cast by the leave campaign to divert people's minds from the practical realities of what a leave vote will actually mean for the country. As others have commented, it's not the question the nation faces in this referendum and the pros and cons one needs to weigh up in making tomorrow's decision simply are not the same as would be faced by the nation in a hypothetical join scenario. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Strange Al on Jun 23, 2016 0:22:48 GMT 1, Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future.
Even if not on the fence, I too would urge folks to watch this. Thanks for posting.
Anyone still on the fence about which way to vote, I urge you to watch this video in order to make an informed decision about your future. Even if not on the fence, I too would urge folks to watch this. Thanks for posting. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by jkrx on Jun 23, 2016 0:40:07 GMT 1, Essential 24 minutes of viewing to help make a more informed choice.
Essential 24 minutes of viewing to help make a more informed choice. A very worthwhile watch, thanks for posting |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by uncle on Jun 23, 2016 0:53:12 GMT 1, I don't mind admitting that I was still on the fence until quite recently and after having watched this video I know I am making the right decision.
It's actually quite sickening how badly Cameron has handled this referendum!
Our PM has experts like Michael Dougan, and yet chose to resort to treating the electorate like idiots. Pointless scaremongering and talking in condescending soundbites, spending almost all his energy trying to discredit the Leave campaign, when all he needed to do was wheel out Mr Dougan and others like him to put the case forward and let people decide based on fact.
I am voting IN despite the shocking job the so-called leader of our country has done. He needs to go.
I don't mind admitting that I was still on the fence until quite recently and after having watched this video I know I am making the right decision.
It's actually quite sickening how badly Cameron has handled this referendum!
Our PM has experts like Michael Dougan, and yet chose to resort to treating the electorate like idiots. Pointless scaremongering and talking in condescending soundbites, spending almost all his energy trying to discredit the Leave campaign, when all he needed to do was wheel out Mr Dougan and others like him to put the case forward and let people decide based on fact.
I am voting IN despite the shocking job the so-called leader of our country has done. He needs to go.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by searchandrescue on Jun 23, 2016 9:23:06 GMT 1, Essential 24 minutes of viewing to help make a more informed choice. A very worthwhile watch, thanks for posting
Essential 24 minutes of viewing to help make a more informed choice. A very worthwhile watch, thanks for posting interesting video, no problem with it essentially, but voted out at 0700hrs this morning |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Reader on Jun 23, 2016 9:29:00 GMT 1, The world is increasingly designed to depress us. Happiness and contentment aren’t very good for the economy. If we were content with what we had, why would we need more ?
How do you sell an anti ageing moisturiser ? You make someone worry about ageing
How do you get them to buy insurance ? By making them worry about loss.
How do you get them to undergo cosmetic surgery ? By highlighting their physical flaws.
How do you get them to watch a TV show ? By making them believe they’ll miss out
How do Politicians get your leave EU vote ? By making you worry about immigrants.
Fear is good for their business.
The EU is far from perfect but the UK alongside France and Germany have a huge voice in it and the capacity to change it from within. Yes, the Conservatives win either way, but Boris and Farage are dangerous demagoges on a par with Trump. Kick them out, then kick out the Tories.
Vote Remain, vote Art over Business, vote Hope over Hate.
The world is increasingly designed to depress us. Happiness and contentment aren’t very good for the economy. If we were content with what we had, why would we need more ?
How do you sell an anti ageing moisturiser ? You make someone worry about ageing
How do you get them to buy insurance ? By making them worry about loss.
How do you get them to undergo cosmetic surgery ? By highlighting their physical flaws.
How do you get them to watch a TV show ? By making them believe they’ll miss out
How do Politicians get your leave EU vote ? By making you worry about immigrants.
Fear is good for their business.
The EU is far from perfect but the UK alongside France and Germany have a huge voice in it and the capacity to change it from within. Yes, the Conservatives win either way, but Boris and Farage are dangerous demagoges on a par with Trump. Kick them out, then kick out the Tories.
Vote Remain, vote Art over Business, vote Hope over Hate.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by misterx on Jun 23, 2016 9:32:38 GMT 1, In all fairness, I thought fear was an integral part of the Remain campaign too?
You don't seem to have picked up on that point.
In all fairness, I thought fear was an integral part of the Remain campaign too?
You don't seem to have picked up on that point.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Hubble Bubble on Jun 23, 2016 9:50:18 GMT 1, I've voted. I'm in. But I feel slightly sickened by the use of our country's flag by those who would isolate us. As if to say... "I, by my vote, have my country at heart. You, with your vote and by not wearing and displaying some form of Union Jack about your person/house, are a traitor and have no thought for the future of your country."
Au contraire.
I've voted. I'm in. But I feel slightly sickened by the use of our country's flag by those who would isolate us. As if to say... "I, by my vote, have my country at heart. You, with your vote and by not wearing and displaying some form of Union Jack about your person/house, are a traitor and have no thought for the future of your country."
Au contraire.
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