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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 15, 2019 23:22:18 GMT 1, That could be a tough call for the EU. I can't see them granting an extension for anything other than a 2nd referendum. ... Article 50 can be stopped at any time unilaterally by the UK government ... and started again at any time ... it doesn't need the support or approval of the other EU members .... ... that is what will happen ... breathing space for the UK government ...
It can be unilaterally stopped. But, as far as I'm aware, triggering it again would need another act of parliament. God knows how long any negotiation period would be. A straightforward extension would have to be granted by all of the EU27.
That could be a tough call for the EU. I can't see them granting an extension for anything other than a 2nd referendum. ... Article 50 can be stopped at any time unilaterally by the UK government ... and started again at any time ... it doesn't need the support or approval of the other EU members .... ... that is what will happen ... breathing space for the UK government ... It can be unilaterally stopped. But, as far as I'm aware, triggering it again would need another act of parliament. God knows how long any negotiation period would be. A straightforward extension would have to be granted by all of the EU27. |
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Jan 16, 2019 1:08:48 GMT 1
Brexit, by Fast Eddie on Jan 16, 2019 1:08:48 GMT 1, Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message.
Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message.
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Jan 16, 2019 1:33:52 GMT 1
Brexit, by acme on Jan 16, 2019 1:33:52 GMT 1, I do understand why the UK wants to leave the EU, every country had different reasons for joining the EU. France to have close ties with Germany. Germany to make peace after the two lost wars and to lower fear in neighbouring countries.
The UK joined because there was the idea to raise to great power again and dominate the EU, after not much is left from the 19th century British Empire. Since this doesn't work out the UK is drawing back and the Brexiters are talking about how to get big and powerful outside of the EU again.
We will see how this plays out. Its certainly not about the people, it never was.
I do understand why the UK wants to leave the EU, every country had different reasons for joining the EU. France to have close ties with Germany. Germany to make peace after the two lost wars and to lower fear in neighbouring countries.
The UK joined because there was the idea to raise to great power again and dominate the EU, after not much is left from the 19th century British Empire. Since this doesn't work out the UK is drawing back and the Brexiters are talking about how to get big and powerful outside of the EU again.
We will see how this plays out. Its certainly not about the people, it never was.
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Jan 16, 2019 1:58:57 GMT 1
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Brexit, by warwolf on Jan 16, 2019 1:58:57 GMT 1, Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message.
Bristol voted remain!
Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message. Bristol voted remain! |
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Jan 16, 2019 3:54:57 GMT 1
Brexit, by Fast Eddie on Jan 16, 2019 3:54:57 GMT 1, Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message. Bristol voted remain!
Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message. Bristol voted remain! In aggregate. It was just an example. Replace with Birmingham if you prefer. |
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Jan 16, 2019 8:47:11 GMT 1
Brexit, by wardance on Jan 16, 2019 8:47:11 GMT 1, Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message.
The skill of any govt is to understand that every country is divided in terms of its beliefs and therefore govern accordingly. It's obvious that the Tories inability to realise this has inflicted so much damage on this country since 2010.
Most people in this country want the same thing - the arguments are about how to achieve this. Our towns and cities are dying, austerity is killing people, the poor are being left behind, food banks on the rise, homelessness increasing. The current ideology is failing.
Personally I think the idea of the UK going it alone is a good one, but do I think the politicians that have got us into this mess are capable of taking the country forward? Not at all. Do I think politicians have all our interests at heart? No.
The EU isn't without its faults, but the failings are from the UK's inability to contribute, be part of it and recognise its benefits.
Where does the country go from here? F*** knows! There are not the politicians clever enough to sort this mess out.
I think the only solution is to leave without a deal and as things deteriorate the population might realise that they've been conned and string up every f***ing Brexiteer and stick their heads on the spikes at Traitors Gate.
Only this deeper crisis can trigger substantial reform addressing the issues at the root of the Brexit vote. This was a protest vote and its fundamental determinants have not been addressed yet: An ever struggling middle class, asymmetries in gains and losses from globalization, austerity on welfare checks but not on bank bailouts. The EU is just a symbol of that and UK economic seppuku does not cost much to an unemployed voter in Bristol but sends a clear message. Do you think our current lords and masters have the ability to sort this out? Not when an ideology is seen as the solution. The skill of any govt is to understand that every country is divided in terms of its beliefs and therefore govern accordingly. It's obvious that the Tories inability to realise this has inflicted so much damage on this country since 2010. Most people in this country want the same thing - the arguments are about how to achieve this. Our towns and cities are dying, austerity is killing people, the poor are being left behind, food banks on the rise, homelessness increasing. The current ideology is failing. Personally I think the idea of the UK going it alone is a good one, but do I think the politicians that have got us into this mess are capable of taking the country forward? Not at all. Do I think politicians have all our interests at heart? No. The EU isn't without its faults, but the failings are from the UK's inability to contribute, be part of it and recognise its benefits. Where does the country go from here? F*** knows! There are not the politicians clever enough to sort this mess out. I think the only solution is to leave without a deal and as things deteriorate the population might realise that they've been conned and string up every f***ing Brexiteer and stick their heads on the spikes at Traitors Gate. |
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Brexit, by warwolf on Jan 16, 2019 10:18:02 GMT 1, In aggregate. It was just an example. Replace with Birmingham if you prefer.
I wasn't trying to be pedantic but Bristol like most of the bigger cities voted remain (Birmingham voted to leave by a whisker) The protest vote came generally from 'poorer' areas rather than the middle classes (such as Stoke where
70% voted to leave)
In aggregate. It was just an example. Replace with Birmingham if you prefer. I wasn't trying to be pedantic but Bristol like most of the bigger cities voted remain (Birmingham voted to leave by a whisker) The protest vote came generally from 'poorer' areas rather than the middle classes (such as Stoke where 70% voted to leave) |
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Jan 16, 2019 10:23:36 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:23:36 GMT 1, I think May has done well
she has potentially negotiated us into another referendum
Do You think that was her long term plan? I do
Negotiate us into a middle ground where no one is happy and can only be resolved by another referendum
She'll die by the sword, but full respect if that is what she had planned all along
Camerons still a cunt though for starting all of this
I think May has done well
she has potentially negotiated us into another referendum
Do You think that was her long term plan? I do
Negotiate us into a middle ground where no one is happy and can only be resolved by another referendum
She'll die by the sword, but full respect if that is what she had planned all along
Camerons still a cunt though for starting all of this
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Jan 16, 2019 10:56:38 GMT 1
Brexit, by ferg on Jan 16, 2019 10:56:38 GMT 1, It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be.
It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:33:24 GMT 1, The problem as I see it is that whatever the UK government (or parliament) do next, there will not be a majority who vote for it. There is not a majority for No Brexit/Second Referendum/Norway Plus/Crash-out No deal/General Election. None of the options are going to get through parliament.
So what happens next? If I was one of the other 27 EU countries I would be shaking my head in despair at the UK right now. We can't even organise a piss up in a brewery. No wonder they are fed up with us and don't want to negotiate anymore. You can't blame them. And even if they did, the new deal would also get rejected by parliament.
This is a complete and utter nightmare with no way out.
The problem as I see it is that whatever the UK government (or parliament) do next, there will not be a majority who vote for it. There is not a majority for No Brexit/Second Referendum/Norway Plus/Crash-out No deal/General Election. None of the options are going to get through parliament.
So what happens next? If I was one of the other 27 EU countries I would be shaking my head in despair at the UK right now. We can't even organise a piss up in a brewery. No wonder they are fed up with us and don't want to negotiate anymore. You can't blame them. And even if they did, the new deal would also get rejected by parliament.
This is a complete and utter nightmare with no way out.
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Jan 16, 2019 12:59:56 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:59:56 GMT 1, Corbyn is using the excuse of Brexit to try and force an election and get himself in to government. It's despicable. He has done nothing to help the Brexit process, in either direction. It's just him playing silly games. In fact, he is not going to get a general election anyway, as it would need conservative MPs to vote themselves out of office. It's not going to happen. It's just Corbyn and his pointless posturing again.
And why does he always shout whenever he speaks in the House of Commons?
Corbyn is using the excuse of Brexit to try and force an election and get himself in to government. It's despicable. He has done nothing to help the Brexit process, in either direction. It's just him playing silly games. In fact, he is not going to get a general election anyway, as it would need conservative MPs to vote themselves out of office. It's not going to happen. It's just Corbyn and his pointless posturing again.
And why does he always shout whenever he speaks in the House of Commons?
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Jan 16, 2019 13:06:08 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 13:06:08 GMT 1, It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be.
Meaningful vote > vote of no confidence/push for GE > 2nd referendum
The right leaning media would obviously like you to believe that Corbyn doesn't want to carry out the wishes of the party but I fail to see where he hasn't so far. If the government were to collapse and a GE be called, then the Labour line would be to try to negotiate a soft Brexit which keeps far more alignment. It's no more or no less than what leavers voted for (after all, they all knew what it was they were voting for and could foresee the final outcome) and possibly more palatable for some remainers. The EU have hinted that they would be open to negotiate on this, despite what the press are suggesting.
After 2 and a half years Theresa May has failed to deliver on what she has made her sole objective. She's taken her eye off the ball in regards to everything else in this country. She's been in contempt of parliament and tried on numerous occasions to subvert parliamentary process. She has been an abject failure. Yet even today, after losing yesterdays vote be record numbers, she refuses to stand aside. The press aren't clambering for a resignation. Instead they're asking if Corbyn should stand down if the no confidence vote fails! The Tories know and the press know that if there is a GE Corbyn stands a very good chance of becoming PM.
No point in accusing Corbyn of playing party politics. Whatever he does, he's up against it. It will be spun so that he is the biggest threat to democracy, the economy, life as we know it, whatever.
The fact is that Brexit has always been about Tory party politics. I don't think I'm alone in being fed up of them. I don't want us to leave the EU. I have plenty of vested interest in staying. But I sure as hell don't want a Tory led Brexit.
It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be. It doesn't matter what the Labour party position is when they are not in power and don't have the numbers to force anything through. The party decided at conference how it would handle the process and has stuck to the plan so far. Meaningful vote > vote of no confidence/push for GE > 2nd referendum The right leaning media would obviously like you to believe that Corbyn doesn't want to carry out the wishes of the party but I fail to see where he hasn't so far. If the government were to collapse and a GE be called, then the Labour line would be to try to negotiate a soft Brexit which keeps far more alignment. It's no more or no less than what leavers voted for (after all, they all knew what it was they were voting for and could foresee the final outcome) and possibly more palatable for some remainers. The EU have hinted that they would be open to negotiate on this, despite what the press are suggesting. After 2 and a half years Theresa May has failed to deliver on what she has made her sole objective. She's taken her eye off the ball in regards to everything else in this country. She's been in contempt of parliament and tried on numerous occasions to subvert parliamentary process. She has been an abject failure. Yet even today, after losing yesterdays vote be record numbers, she refuses to stand aside. The press aren't clambering for a resignation. Instead they're asking if Corbyn should stand down if the no confidence vote fails! The Tories know and the press know that if there is a GE Corbyn stands a very good chance of becoming PM. No point in accusing Corbyn of playing party politics. Whatever he does, he's up against it. It will be spun so that he is the biggest threat to democracy, the economy, life as we know it, whatever. The fact is that Brexit has always been about Tory party politics. I don't think I'm alone in being fed up of them. I don't want us to leave the EU. I have plenty of vested interest in staying. But I sure as hell don't want a Tory led Brexit. |
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Brexit, by moron on Jan 16, 2019 14:18:11 GMT 1, Good lord man those are 3 massively unreliable sources the EDF group, Benjamin Netanyahu and Luke Rudkowski If these are your sources of 'news' it is no wonder you think the way that you do
There again you are one of these no borders open society supporters I believe.
I give Netanyahu far more credibility than the Pope and Soros.
Good lord man those are 3 massively unreliable sources the EDF group, Benjamin Netanyahu and Luke Rudkowski If these are your sources of 'news' it is no wonder you think the way that you do In your opinion. There again you are one of these no borders open society supporters I believe. I give Netanyahu far more credibility than the Pope and Soros. |
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Jan 16, 2019 14:28:56 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Jan 16, 2019 14:28:56 GMT 1, I posted a segment which had a guy in the German parliament talking about the German economy. I found that particular speech very interesting. What other things he has said in the last fifty years of his life I have not looked into. As**t load of hooligans you say, and what about the biggers**t load of hooligans like antifa etc who smash shop windows and burn cars and attack people with violence on a regular basis. Like I said any nazi or other people who use violence should be arrested and prosecuted. I take offence at you having no sympathy for relatives of murdered people who demonstrated peacefully. I posted a video of idiots (in your own words) chanting Adolph Hitler, giving nazi salutes and shouting "death to the jews" which you make light of because they are migrants who are doing this and you say nothing about the German police standing by and doing nothing. You do realise that there were lots of non white soldiers in the German army during WW2 and that there are migrants as shown in the video who are racist, anti semitic and who should not be allowed to get away with this behaviour in Germany. This will be my last reply, because I’m really getting bored by your lies: - „he has said in the last fifty years“ — he said it in the last 2 years, and you should know that as a German - Antifa stands for Anti Fascism, I really hope you are Anti Fascism, too? I really hope that you aren‘t pro fascism. And yes, there are idiots in the antifascist movement too. - Where did I say that I don‘t have sympathy for the relatives? Just tell me where? Or should I show my sympathy like the the guys in Chemnitz, so peacefully and respectful. This is what you called them.   Liar!
Plenty of proven far left infiltrators giving nazi salutes in Chemnitz.
Calling everyone a nazi or far right is being dishonest and the people who m in protest, the majority have nothing to do with nazis or the far right; they are concerned citizens who want something done about violence from unvetted migrants who in reality should not have been allowed into Germany en masse considering that the people behind this police, Merkel and others know that there are a lot who have criminal backgrounds and also jihadist sympathies. Merkel etc do not care about victims because Merkel etc have bodyguards and are protected, including where they live.
Chemnitz a woman was being sexually assaulted by at least two so called migrants. A guy intervened to stop them raping her and he was stabbed multiple times for helping her.
You care more about the people who committed the assault and murder in Chemnitz and who created teh situation than the victims.
You really are brainwashed by some far left no borders ideology that all people have the same values and attitude towards others and that white people are racist and to blame.
The left covers up and lies constantly hence the left never being able to debate anything with facts and resorting to calling people nazis and racists.
I posted a segment which had a guy in the German parliament talking about the German economy. I found that particular speech very interesting. What other things he has said in the last fifty years of his life I have not looked into. As**t load of hooligans you say, and what about the biggers**t load of hooligans like antifa etc who smash shop windows and burn cars and attack people with violence on a regular basis. Like I said any nazi or other people who use violence should be arrested and prosecuted. I take offence at you having no sympathy for relatives of murdered people who demonstrated peacefully. I posted a video of idiots (in your own words) chanting Adolph Hitler, giving nazi salutes and shouting "death to the jews" which you make light of because they are migrants who are doing this and you say nothing about the German police standing by and doing nothing. You do realise that there were lots of non white soldiers in the German army during WW2 and that there are migrants as shown in the video who are racist, anti semitic and who should not be allowed to get away with this behaviour in Germany. This will be my last reply, because I’m really getting bored by your lies: - „he has said in the last fifty years“ — he said it in the last 2 years, and you should know that as a German - Antifa stands for Anti Fascism, I really hope you are Anti Fascism, too? I really hope that you aren‘t pro fascism. And yes, there are idiots in the antifascist movement too. - Where did I say that I don‘t have sympathy for the relatives? Just tell me where? Or should I show my sympathy like the the guys in Chemnitz, so peacefully and respectful. This is what you called them. Liar! How would I know what he said, i'm not a German and only visited Germany once when I went tp Koln with some German bikers who came to England buying Nortons and Triumphs. Plenty of proven far left infiltrators giving nazi salutes in Chemnitz. Calling everyone a nazi or far right is being dishonest and the people who m in protest, the majority have nothing to do with nazis or the far right; they are concerned citizens who want something done about violence from unvetted migrants who in reality should not have been allowed into Germany en masse considering that the people behind this police, Merkel and others know that there are a lot who have criminal backgrounds and also jihadist sympathies. Merkel etc do not care about victims because Merkel etc have bodyguards and are protected, including where they live. Chemnitz a woman was being sexually assaulted by at least two so called migrants. A guy intervened to stop them raping her and he was stabbed multiple times for helping her. You care more about the people who committed the assault and murder in Chemnitz and who created teh situation than the victims. You really are brainwashed by some far left no borders ideology that all people have the same values and attitude towards others and that white people are racist and to blame. The left covers up and lies constantly hence the left never being able to debate anything with facts and resorting to calling people nazis and racists. |
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Brexit, by moron on Jan 16, 2019 14:32:17 GMT 1, It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be.
Corbyn has always been pro Brexit and I doubt he could negotiate a Brexit deal if he was PM. He doesn't care in reality he is after power at any price so that he and his bolshevik clique can ruin the country.
Corbyn is scum.
It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be. Corbyn has always been pro Brexit and I doubt he could negotiate a Brexit deal if he was PM. He doesn't care in reality he is after power at any price so that he and his bolshevik clique can ruin the country. Corbyn is scum. |
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Brexit, by moron on Jan 16, 2019 14:37:49 GMT 1, Are you really so moron or do you work for the Kremlin? Sometimes your series of posts are so mind boggling full of lies, idiocy and ignorance that one wonders whether you are for real - especially since the majority of your talking points are exactly the ones peddled by the GRU troll farms. I guess you absorb these BS on your favourite xenophob platforms where the GRU trolls are setting the tone. Maybe, given your art work, it would be a good idea to apply for a job in a Russian troll farm...
Regarding Putin, I know nothing about him.
I do know that the Russian billionaire who accidently hung himself in London approached Soros years ago buy into controlling the Yeltsin government and Soros was smart enough to turn him down.
I like Russians and I like Ukranians.
Really though you do try too hard.
Are you really so moron or do you work for the Kremlin? Sometimes your series of posts are so mind boggling full of lies, idiocy and ignorance that one wonders whether you are for real - especially since the majority of your talking points are exactly the ones peddled by the GRU troll farms. I guess you absorb these BS on your favourite xenophob platforms where the GRU trolls are setting the tone. Maybe, given your art work, it would be a good idea to apply for a job in a Russian troll farm... Post some facts then rather than your constant insults. Regarding Putin, I know nothing about him. I do know that the Russian billionaire who accidently hung himself in London approached Soros years ago buy into controlling the Yeltsin government and Soros was smart enough to turn him down. I like Russians and I like Ukranians. Really though you do try too hard. |
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Brexit, by moron on Jan 16, 2019 14:42:09 GMT 1, What I meant was that the 'crisis' was manufactured and not that the migrants were manufactured. Also happy new year ya'll!
What I meant was that the 'crisis' was manufactured and not that the migrants were manufactured. Also happy new year ya'll! It is manufactured. |
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Brexit, by dogstar on Jan 16, 2019 16:12:14 GMT 1, Theresa May, April 2016
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Brexit, by dogstar on Jan 16, 2019 16:13:56 GMT 1, Michael Gove, April 2016
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Brexit, by Fast Eddie on Jan 16, 2019 16:19:19 GMT 1, The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class.
In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation).
People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread.
The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class.
In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation).
People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread.
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 17:17:23 GMT 1, It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be. Corbyn has always been pro Brexit and I doubt he could negotiate a Brexit deal if he was PM. He doesn't care in reality he is after power at any price so that he and his bolshevik clique can ruin the country. Corbyn is scum.
Barnier today: "Unanimously the European Council have always said that if the UK chooses to shift its red lines in the future ... and to go beyond a simple free trade agreement, then the EU will be immediately ready to … give a favourable response."
Sounds as if the EU think he could negotiate one. I'll take their word over yours.
It’s not helping when you’ve got Corbyn playing party politics and trying to engineer a General Election. Grows some balls man and help the country come to a solution so we can move on whatever moving on may be. Corbyn has always been pro Brexit and I doubt he could negotiate a Brexit deal if he was PM. He doesn't care in reality he is after power at any price so that he and his bolshevik clique can ruin the country. Corbyn is scum. Barnier today: "Unanimously the European Council have always said that if the UK chooses to shift its red lines in the future ... and to go beyond a simple free trade agreement, then the EU will be immediately ready to … give a favourable response." Sounds as if the EU think he could negotiate one. I'll take their word over yours. |
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.dappy
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Brexit, by .dappy on Jan 16, 2019 21:34:59 GMT 1, ... even Labour do not want to trigger a vote of No Confidence in May/the Conservative Govt as 1) they do not know what to do themselves and 2) know that they won't win a General Election at this point in time ... BBC News - Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46552939... they need the complete shambles of brexit to be enacted on the 29 March ... ... the gamble for Labour is that the Tories themselves don't revoke Article 50 before the 29th deadline - as recently allowed for by the ECJ ... if they do ... then Labour are stuffed ...
... so after the biggest Govt defeat since records began and over 100 years ... and 'we will call a vote of no confidence when the time is ready' ... Corbyn still can't even do or win that 🙄
... even Labour do not want to trigger a vote of No Confidence in May/the Conservative Govt as 1) they do not know what to do themselves and 2) know that they won't win a General Election at this point in time ... BBC News - Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46552939... they need the complete shambles of brexit to be enacted on the 29 March ... ... the gamble for Labour is that the Tories themselves don't revoke Article 50 before the 29th deadline - as recently allowed for by the ECJ ... if they do ... then Labour are stuffed ... ... so after the biggest Govt defeat since records began and over 100 years ... and 'we will call a vote of no confidence when the time is ready' ... Corbyn still can't even do or win that 🙄 |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Jan 16, 2019 21:46:11 GMT 1, The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class. In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation). People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread.
Reality check: David Cameron and George Osborne were the number one cheerleaders for austerity. The folly that austerity could generate growth (nonsense in any self respecting economic model) was stated and trumpeted by the latter, and sold in Europe by the former.
Both of them wanted the head of the IMF chief economist (Olivier Blanchard) to be chopped off when he called their BS on this ahead of a key EU summit. The Germans bought into it since this was the way, in their view, to rein in the profligate southern nations.
So, by a large margin, austerity was a UK gift to the entire EU. Actually a Tory gift, by the very same geniuses (and if you have ever spent 30 mins in a room with Osborne you know I’m joking) that brought you the Brexit referendum.
And note that the British, Tory, government pushed austerity for purely domestic reasons: the British were, at that time, against cutting the welfare state in virtually every poll. But not the hardcore Tory backbenchers. So the “new” Tories had to come up with a novel spin: austerity for growth — what a nonsense. Even Miliband’s labour drank the cool aid, and lost the election thanks to their great platform: “austerity light.”
When this misguided — totally ideological and unnecessary for the UK — policy delivered, and the brits started to feel the pain, the very same right could not say “it was our policies.” So it had to be the EU and the immigrants to be blamed this time around.
The rest, including the economic and social consequences and the Brexit vote, is history.
And if we get a Brexit — even better for the very same right, a no deal one — there will be a sever fiscal crisis. Hence, once again, a “good reason” to peddle cuts to the social security network — stay tuned.
The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class. In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation). People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread. Reality check: David Cameron and George Osborne were the number one cheerleaders for austerity. The folly that austerity could generate growth (nonsense in any self respecting economic model) was stated and trumpeted by the latter, and sold in Europe by the former. Both of them wanted the head of the IMF chief economist (Olivier Blanchard) to be chopped off when he called their BS on this ahead of a key EU summit. The Germans bought into it since this was the way, in their view, to rein in the profligate southern nations. So, by a large margin, austerity was a UK gift to the entire EU. Actually a Tory gift, by the very same geniuses (and if you have ever spent 30 mins in a room with Osborne you know I’m joking) that brought you the Brexit referendum. And note that the British, Tory, government pushed austerity for purely domestic reasons: the British were, at that time, against cutting the welfare state in virtually every poll. But not the hardcore Tory backbenchers. So the “new” Tories had to come up with a novel spin: austerity for growth — what a nonsense. Even Miliband’s labour drank the cool aid, and lost the election thanks to their great platform: “austerity light.” When this misguided — totally ideological and unnecessary for the UK — policy delivered, and the brits started to feel the pain, the very same right could not say “it was our policies.” So it had to be the EU and the immigrants to be blamed this time around. The rest, including the economic and social consequences and the Brexit vote, is history. And if we get a Brexit — even better for the very same right, a no deal one — there will be a sever fiscal crisis. Hence, once again, a “good reason” to peddle cuts to the social security network — stay tuned. |
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Jan 16, 2019 21:57:49 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 21:57:49 GMT 1, ... even Labour do not want to trigger a vote of No Confidence in May/the Conservative Govt as 1) they do not know what to do themselves and 2) know that they won't win a General Election at this point in time ... BBC News - Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46552939... they need the complete shambles of brexit to be enacted on the 29 March ... ... the gamble for Labour is that the Tories themselves don't revoke Article 50 before the 29th deadline - as recently allowed for by the ECJ ... if they do ... then Labour are stuffed ... ... so after the biggest Govt defeat since records began and over 100 years ... and 'we will call a vote of no confidence when the time is ready' ... Corbyn still can't even do or win that 🙄
Given confidence by 117 Tory hypocrites who voted to say that they didn't think she was good enough to lead the Tory party.
Given confidence by 118 Tory hypocrites who rejected Theresa May's 2½ years in the making, at the expense of all else, deal just yesterday.
Given confidence by 10 members of the DUP, enough to swing the vote, bought for £100,000,000 each.
Saved by and hiding behind the FTPA.
They know they would lose a GE. Self preservation over the national interest. It's the Tory way.
... even Labour do not want to trigger a vote of No Confidence in May/the Conservative Govt as 1) they do not know what to do themselves and 2) know that they won't win a General Election at this point in time ... BBC News - Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46552939... they need the complete shambles of brexit to be enacted on the 29 March ... ... the gamble for Labour is that the Tories themselves don't revoke Article 50 before the 29th deadline - as recently allowed for by the ECJ ... if they do ... then Labour are stuffed ... ... so after the biggest Govt defeat since records began and over 100 years ... and 'we will call a vote of no confidence when the time is ready' ... Corbyn still can't even do or win that 🙄 Given confidence by 117 Tory hypocrites who voted to say that they didn't think she was good enough to lead the Tory party. Given confidence by 118 Tory hypocrites who rejected Theresa May's 2½ years in the making, at the expense of all else, deal just yesterday. Given confidence by 10 members of the DUP, enough to swing the vote, bought for £100,000,000 each. Saved by and hiding behind the FTPA. They know they would lose a GE. Self preservation over the national interest. It's the Tory way. |
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.dappy
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Brexit, by .dappy on Jan 16, 2019 22:08:48 GMT 1, ... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄
... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ...
... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄
... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ...
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Brexit, by mojo on Jan 16, 2019 22:12:32 GMT 1,
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Jan 16, 2019 22:16:04 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Matt on Jan 16, 2019 22:16:04 GMT 1, ... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ...
I find it amazing really...
For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !!
Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch.
It is absolutely mind boggling !!
May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that
... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that |
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Jan 16, 2019 22:36:27 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 22:36:27 GMT 1, ... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that
Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn?
... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? |
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