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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 22:39:53 GMT 1, ... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ...
Why shouldn't he? The party agreed their position at conference.
The sham isn't the failure to win this vote. It's May's refusal to stand down after the failure to be able to govern.
... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... Why shouldn't he? The party agreed their position at conference. The sham isn't the failure to win this vote. It's May's refusal to stand down after the failure to be able to govern.
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Jan 16, 2019 22:53:09 GMT 1
Brexit, by Matt on Jan 16, 2019 22:53:09 GMT 1, Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things
Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat !
Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat !
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Jan 16, 2019 23:01:44 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 23:01:44 GMT 1, Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat !
Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority?
Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat ! Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority?
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Jan 16, 2019 23:10:55 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 23:10:55 GMT 1, I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat ! Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority? it was enough to create this clusterf@ck!
I mostly try not to succumb to blind allegiance to a party or politician, and keep a pragmatic common sense view to things Therefore yes, I would maintain that although May has managed to generate consensus against her, there is also a consensus that Corbyn would actually be worse, which you must admit, given the ample resentment against May, is no small feat ! Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority? it was enough to create this clusterf@ck!
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Jan 16, 2019 23:21:25 GMT 1
Brexit, by mojo on Jan 16, 2019 23:21:25 GMT 1, I think May has done well she has potentially negotiated us into another referendum Do You think that was her long term plan? I do Negotiate us into a middle ground where no one is happy and can only be resolved by another referendum She'll die by the sword, but full respect if that is what she had planned all along Camerons still a c**tthough for starting all of this Yes it's VERY important to remember who started this enormous Eton Mess so that the overall blame isn't shoved onto the wrong people including the voters. The Tories together with some very unscrupulous rich folk are using divide and conquer politics to dazzle us all while they arrange very shady deals under WTO rules. The Conservative government never wanted a deal with Europe it was all Bullshit right from the start. Cheers David Cameron. For the past few months all I keep seeing and hearing about are business's closing down, people in 'safe' jobs being let go of or made redundant and people just generally struggling to pay bills and buy food. Its a proper mess when people working full time can't even afford to feed themselves.
I think May has done well she has potentially negotiated us into another referendum Do You think that was her long term plan? I do Negotiate us into a middle ground where no one is happy and can only be resolved by another referendum She'll die by the sword, but full respect if that is what she had planned all along Camerons still a c**tthough for starting all of this Yes it's VERY important to remember who started this enormous Eton Mess so that the overall blame isn't shoved onto the wrong people including the voters. The Tories together with some very unscrupulous rich folk are using divide and conquer politics to dazzle us all while they arrange very shady deals under WTO rules. The Conservative government never wanted a deal with Europe it was all Bullshit right from the start. Cheers David Cameron. For the past few months all I keep seeing and hearing about are business's closing down, people in 'safe' jobs being let go of or made redundant and people just generally struggling to pay bills and buy food. Its a proper mess when people working full time can't even afford to feed themselves.
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Jan 16, 2019 23:30:45 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 16, 2019 23:30:45 GMT 1, Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority? it was enough to create this clusterf@ck!
The referendum was in 2016 fella.
Every Tory disagreed with Corbyn. As did every member of the DUP. Every Lab, Lib Dem and SNP no voted with Corbyn. The result was that parliament was split 52/48%. Is that a consensus or a majority? it was enough to create this clusterf@ck! The referendum was in 2016 fella.
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Jan 16, 2019 23:32:46 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 23:32:46 GMT 1, it was enough to create this clusterf@ck! The referendum was in 2016 fella. how time flys.
it was enough to create this clusterf@ck! The referendum was in 2016 fella. how time flys.
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Jan 17, 2019 0:21:31 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Jan 17, 2019 0:21:31 GMT 1, ... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that
The trouble with a vote of no confidence is that no party in power, and with a small majority, are ever going to vote themselves out of power! Labour was never going to win that vote, but absolutely had to do it.
... yes it is self preservation ... but a sham after the biggest Govt defeat in history! and it will be remembered that the Opposition party did not win the vote ... 🙄🙄 ... Corbyn shouldn't have called a no confidence vote ... but he is a Brexiter himself and always has been ... he hasn't a clue what to do next ... I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that The trouble with a vote of no confidence is that no party in power, and with a small majority, are ever going to vote themselves out of power! Labour was never going to win that vote, but absolutely had to do it.
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Jan 17, 2019 0:24:55 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Jan 17, 2019 0:24:55 GMT 1, I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that The trouble with a vote of no confidence is that no party in power, and with a small majority, are ever going to vote themselves out of power! Labour was never going to win that vote, but absolutely had to do it.
Agreed, on all you say. But it was closer than I thought it would be.
I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that The trouble with a vote of no confidence is that no party in power, and with a small majority, are ever going to vote themselves out of power! Labour was never going to win that vote, but absolutely had to do it. Agreed, on all you say. But it was closer than I thought it would be.
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Jan 17, 2019 0:44:31 GMT 1
Brexit, by Chris JL on Jan 17, 2019 0:44:31 GMT 1, Since THEIR stalemate, means WE loose, time to Write to Your MP and Ask for a People’s Vote.
That’s called democracy.
[Note: this is one of the dozen links usable to write to your MP. Having picked this one is not an endorsement, it’s just being google-lazy 😊]
Since THEIR stalemate, means WE loose, time to Write to Your MP and Ask for a People’s Vote. That’s called democracy. [Note: this is one of the dozen links usable to write to your MP. Having picked this one is not an endorsement, it’s just being google-lazy 😊]
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Jan 17, 2019 2:33:44 GMT 1
Brexit, by Fast Eddie on Jan 17, 2019 2:33:44 GMT 1, I would not focus so much on a new referendum or on how bad the Tory were on Brexit when much damage was done by others, e.g. Blair.
There is no political party currently taking sides for losers from globalization or technology (think automation) with a decent policy plan.
In response, people have been first withdrawing (think falling voting turnout rates) and now they are outright pissed and harshly protesting for their lack of representation. You can have a new vote or referendum, but if you do not fix that root cause you will still have Farage, Trump, Le Pen, or Salvini...
I would not focus so much on a new referendum or on how bad the Tory were on Brexit when much damage was done by others, e.g. Blair.
There is no political party currently taking sides for losers from globalization or technology (think automation) with a decent policy plan.
In response, people have been first withdrawing (think falling voting turnout rates) and now they are outright pissed and harshly protesting for their lack of representation. You can have a new vote or referendum, but if you do not fix that root cause you will still have Farage, Trump, Le Pen, or Salvini...
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Jan 17, 2019 12:09:41 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:09:41 GMT 1, The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class. In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation). People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread. Reality check: David Cameron and George Osborne were the number one cheerleaders for austerity. The folly that austerity could generate growth (nonsense in any self respecting economic model) was stated and trumpeted by the latter, and sold in Europe by the former. Both of them wanted the head of the IMF chief economist (Olivier Blanchard) to be chopped off when he called their BS on this ahead of a key EU summit. The Germans bought into it since this was the way, in their view, to rein in the profligate southern nations. So, by a large margin, austerity was a UK gift to the entire EU. Actually a Tory gift, by the very same geniuses (and if you have ever spent 30 mins in a room with Osborne you know I’m joking) that brought you the Brexit referendum. And note that the British, Tory, government pushed austerity for purely domestic reasons: the British were, at that time, against cutting the welfare state in virtually every poll. But not the hardcore Tory backbenchers. So the “new” Tories had to come up with a novel spin: austerity for growth — what a nonsense. Even Miliband’s labour drank the cool aid, and lost the election thanks to their great platform: “austerity light.” When this misguided — totally ideological and unnecessary for the UK — policy delivered, and the brits started to feel the pain, the very same right could not say “it was our policies.” So it had to be the EU and the immigrants to be blamed this time around. The rest, including the economic and social consequences and the Brexit vote, is history. And if we get a Brexit — even better for the very same right, a no deal one — there will be a sever fiscal crisis. Hence, once again, a “good reason” to peddle cuts to the social security network — stay tuned. "The folly that austerity could generate growth..."
The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth".
The only way in which you fix this Brexit mess is if you provide economic support to the British middle class. In fact, the EU should be massively supporting plans by its national governments to do so across the board. The mistake by the Germans and the EU Core has been this ridiculous insistence on fiscal restraint in the immediate aftermath of one of the deepest crisis of the last 100 years (and after 40yrs of real wage stagnation). People were rightly upset in seeing their welfare checks or pensions paired down when big banks got bailed out. It is not an UK problem, Italy has M5S, France FN. There is a common thread. Reality check: David Cameron and George Osborne were the number one cheerleaders for austerity. The folly that austerity could generate growth (nonsense in any self respecting economic model) was stated and trumpeted by the latter, and sold in Europe by the former. Both of them wanted the head of the IMF chief economist (Olivier Blanchard) to be chopped off when he called their BS on this ahead of a key EU summit. The Germans bought into it since this was the way, in their view, to rein in the profligate southern nations. So, by a large margin, austerity was a UK gift to the entire EU. Actually a Tory gift, by the very same geniuses (and if you have ever spent 30 mins in a room with Osborne you know I’m joking) that brought you the Brexit referendum. And note that the British, Tory, government pushed austerity for purely domestic reasons: the British were, at that time, against cutting the welfare state in virtually every poll. But not the hardcore Tory backbenchers. So the “new” Tories had to come up with a novel spin: austerity for growth — what a nonsense. Even Miliband’s labour drank the cool aid, and lost the election thanks to their great platform: “austerity light.” When this misguided — totally ideological and unnecessary for the UK — policy delivered, and the brits started to feel the pain, the very same right could not say “it was our policies.” So it had to be the EU and the immigrants to be blamed this time around. The rest, including the economic and social consequences and the Brexit vote, is history. And if we get a Brexit — even better for the very same right, a no deal one — there will be a sever fiscal crisis. Hence, once again, a “good reason” to peddle cuts to the social security network — stay tuned. " The folly that austerity could generate growth..." The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth".
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Jan 17, 2019 12:16:37 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:16:37 GMT 1, I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells.
However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse.
I find it amazing really... For 2 years the Torries have gone from self harm, to self-disembowelling and are now in stage 3 “full fledged group self immolation”...and despite that the chap still can’t score a single f’n point !! Not one, he has no clue, no political acumen, none, zilch. It is absolutely mind boggling !! May’s deal will go down as the worst thing in British politics, and Corbyn will forever be the guy that was one level below that Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse.
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Jan 17, 2019 12:40:23 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 17, 2019 12:40:23 GMT 1, Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win.
On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom.
Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win. On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom.
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Jan 17, 2019 12:46:15 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:46:15 GMT 1, Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win. On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom. I agree with you about the DUP. I was horrified when the Tories joined forces with the DUP. But, on your other point, there is a big difference between voting against a proposed deal and voting against a political party. The thing that I find odd is that many politicians (Tory and Labour) seem to think that if we had a different PM then suddenly we would get a wonderful deal from the EU. They must be deluded. It's not going to happen.
Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win. On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom. I agree with you about the DUP. I was horrified when the Tories joined forces with the DUP. But, on your other point, there is a big difference between voting against a proposed deal and voting against a political party. The thing that I find odd is that many politicians (Tory and Labour) seem to think that if we had a different PM then suddenly we would get a wonderful deal from the EU. They must be deluded. It's not going to happen.
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Jan 17, 2019 12:48:23 GMT 1, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win. On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom. I agree with you about the DUP. I was horrified when the Tories joined forces with the DUP. But, on your other point, there is a big difference between voting against a proposed deal and voting against a political party. The thing that I find odd is that many politicians (Tory and Labour) seem to think that if we had a different PM then suddenly we would get a wonderful deal from the EU. They must be deluded. It's not going to happen.
I'm not sure there is a wonderful deal to be had. But Labour are proposing a better deal and the EU have said that they would be interested in it.
Edit. Of course, that is hardly reported in the news. Just as it's hardly reported that after Corbyn said he'd only come to the table once no deal was removed, the Chancellor wrote to business leaders to assure them it would be. Meanwhile May is pretending that Corbyn is once again playing politics and telling the rest of us that No Deal stays an option.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said, the Labour Party decided the course of action at conference. If Labour hadn't followed through on that he would have been criticised. In that respect it's a no win. On the other hand, and again as raised earlier, this goes some way to exposing those members of the Tory Party who voted against her deal and her ability to lead her party, as hypocrites. It also highlights that the DUP are holding the Country to ransom. I agree with you about the DUP. I was horrified when the Tories joined forces with the DUP. But, on your other point, there is a big difference between voting against a proposed deal and voting against a political party. The thing that I find odd is that many politicians (Tory and Labour) seem to think that if we had a different PM then suddenly we would get a wonderful deal from the EU. They must be deluded. It's not going to happen. I'm not sure there is a wonderful deal to be had. But Labour are proposing a better deal and the EU have said that they would be interested in it. Edit. Of course, that is hardly reported in the news. Just as it's hardly reported that after Corbyn said he'd only come to the table once no deal was removed, the Chancellor wrote to business leaders to assure them it would be. Meanwhile May is pretending that Corbyn is once again playing politics and telling the rest of us that No Deal stays an option.
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Jan 17, 2019 13:09:15 GMT 1
Brexit, by mojo on Jan 17, 2019 13:09:15 GMT 1, Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them.
Did you think that any Tories would vote against May, or that the DUP would vote for Corbyn? Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 14:07:36 GMT 1, Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. ...and yet all the polls suggest that people still think Jeremy Corbyn is the worse option.
Incidentally, the Tory government do not want WTO rules.
Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. ...and yet all the polls suggest that people still think Jeremy Corbyn is the worse option. Incidentally, the Tory government do not want WTO rules.
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Brexit, by dogstar on Jan 17, 2019 14:56:59 GMT 1, Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each.
Exactly. So why did Corbyn even instigate the no-confidence vote? Everyone knew he would lose it. It just make himself look daft. The guy seems to be short of a few brain cells. However bad Theresa May comes across, it seems Corbyn will always come across even worse. I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each.
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Brexit, by mojo on Jan 17, 2019 15:30:05 GMT 1, I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each. Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. UK poverty is measured as less than 15K a year. BLIND TRUST ah?
I wouldn't be too smug about it May only very narrowly swerved it by a margin of 19 votes and 10 of those were from the DUP. Corbyn neither looked daft or "short of a few brain cells" to me. The WTO have very lax regulations regarding all sorts of things particularly how the financial institutions are run which is the very reason why the Tory government want it. May's husband works for Capital Group, the largest shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the airstrikes in Syria. He/they have many dealings with offshore investments under the 'blind trust' agreement whereby nobody under any circumstances can 'interfere' or simply find out what the real deal is? BLIND TRUST a very appropriate description for this type of corruption and is possibly the main reason the EU will not deal with them. Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each. Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. UK poverty is measured as less than 15K a year. BLIND TRUST ah?
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Brexit, by fac51 on Jan 17, 2019 15:40:32 GMT 1, Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each. Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. BLIND TRUST ah? Bet there ain't one in five in poverty frequent this forum....
Those 10 DUP votes cost £100 million each. Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. BLIND TRUST ah? Bet there ain't one in five in poverty frequent this forum....
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Jan 17, 2019 15:48:01 GMT 1
Brexit, by mojo on Jan 17, 2019 15:48:01 GMT 1, Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. BLIND TRUST ah? Bet there ain't one in five in poverty frequent this forum.... YET ...I like to believe that there are at least one in five on here that care though.
Precisely and yet over 14 million people, about one in five of the UK population are in poverty. Of them 8.2 million are working-age adults, 4.1 million are children and 1.9 million are pensioners. Eight million people live in poverty in families where at least one person is working. BLIND TRUST ah? Bet there ain't one in five in poverty frequent this forum.... YET ...I like to believe that there are at least one in five on here that care though.
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Jan 17, 2019 15:55:51 GMT 1, " The folly that austerity could generate growth..." The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth".
Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda:
“If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention)
And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence.
The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth.
Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result.
To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten).
" The folly that austerity could generate growth..." The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth". Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda: “If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention) And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence. The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth. Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result. To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten).
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 17:37:07 GMT 1, " The folly that austerity could generate growth..." The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth". Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda: “If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention) And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence. The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth. Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result. To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten).
and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt.
Happy days
" The folly that austerity could generate growth..." The aim of austerity was never to generate growth. The aim was to cut the deficit. It may have been convenient for the Tory policies but, as far as I know, it was never advertised as "to generate growth". Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda: “If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention) And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence. The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth. Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result. To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten). and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt. Happy days
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Brexit, by mojo on Jan 17, 2019 17:56:51 GMT 1, Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda: “If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention) And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence. The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth. Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result. To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten). and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt. Happy days I was never top of maths class however, had the billion pound bribe given to the DUP been equally shared out between the 14 million people in the UK living in poverty wouldn't everyone be in a better place? I realize things aren't always as simple as that but common sense would suggest that a billion quid, a thousand million pounds, could of been far better spent on far more important matters than 'propping up' the conservative government? Burning it would of been far more use to everyone.
Nope, sorry. According to their own misguided propaganda: “If we don’t get a grip in government spending, there will be no growth” - George Osborne (2010, chancellor’s speech to Tory convention) And he has repeated the same nonsense about a zillion times. But that speech is worth reading, since it’s all about growth and how their beautiful austerity would deliver that - check it out, it's quite funny to read ex post if one forgets the human cost of incompetence. The voodoo economics idea was that by reducing public debt there would be more private investment (pound for pound), hence that would generate growth. Thanks to this beautiful (and utterly wrong) working assumption, under George Osborne the realised GDP growth in the UK has been lower than the government’s own forecast EVERY SINGLE YEAR - quite a brilliant result. To this day, the UK still lags the US recovery thanks to his misguided policies in response to the financial crisis (we had austerity, they had Obama's stimulus, and history has spoken, but as usual it will be forgotten). and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt. Happy days I was never top of maths class however, had the billion pound bribe given to the DUP been equally shared out between the 14 million people in the UK living in poverty wouldn't everyone be in a better place? I realize things aren't always as simple as that but common sense would suggest that a billion quid, a thousand million pounds, could of been far better spent on far more important matters than 'propping up' the conservative government? Burning it would of been far more use to everyone.
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Brexit, by iamzero on Jan 17, 2019 18:53:06 GMT 1, Theresa May has the apocalyptic gaze of an unloved teddy bear lashed to the front grill of a bin wagon.
And yet it’s still not as bad as the gum chewing camel chops boat race of Dianne Abbott.
Theresa May has the apocalyptic gaze of an unloved teddy bear lashed to the front grill of a bin wagon. And yet it’s still not as bad as the gum chewing camel chops boat race of Dianne Abbott.
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Jan 17, 2019 20:40:51 GMT 1, and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt. Happy days
Clearly. Debt to GDP ratio was around 75% when Osborne took office, and about 88% when he left. An utter disgrace. And a forecastable one since all nonpartisan economists knew that his cuts would reduce GDP more than the deficit itself.
But memory is short, and the current bunch is so lame that some try to herald Cameron and Osborne like statesmen. But they have never been. What we see now is the bill they left us.
and how's our deficit? I guess we don't have one now? All the cuts made and bedroom tax, getting all the sick and disabled proving they are.. sick and disabled. Cutting all youth centres, OAP centres etc etc etc. But it was worth it yes, as we are now stronger and happier and have no debt. Happy days Clearly. Debt to GDP ratio was around 75% when Osborne took office, and about 88% when he left. An utter disgrace. And a forecastable one since all nonpartisan economists knew that his cuts would reduce GDP more than the deficit itself. But memory is short, and the current bunch is so lame that some try to herald Cameron and Osborne like statesmen. But they have never been. What we see now is the bill they left us.
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Brexit, by mojo on Jan 17, 2019 21:05:56 GMT 1, Highly respected by who? You mean the one set up by our current Health Secretary Tory MP Matt Hancock's brother?LINK Or founded (and funded from his offshore account) by Tory MP Nadim Zahawi LINK
Highly respected by who? You mean the one set up by our current Health Secretary Tory MP Matt Hancock's brother? LINKOr founded (and funded from his offshore account) by Tory MP Nadim Zahawi LINK
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