Carl Cashman
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Brexit, by Carl Cashman on Mar 26, 2019 12:08:45 GMT 1, Although I would prefer to remain in the EU, I don't have much faith in these petitions. Why would the government take any notice of this? They go by election results not opinion polls. 5 million is a drop in the ocean I'm afraid. Even if it got to 10 million signatures that's still an irrelevant number considering the UK population is about 65 million. They already know there are millions of people who want to remain in the EU. This isn't telling them anything they don't already know.
Although I would prefer to remain in the EU, I don't have much faith in these petitions. Why would the government take any notice of this? They go by election results not opinion polls. 5 million is a drop in the ocean I'm afraid. Even if it got to 10 million signatures that's still an irrelevant number considering the UK population is about 65 million. They already know there are millions of people who want to remain in the EU. This isn't telling them anything they don't already know. They don't take any notice at all, the cannabis one had over 1 mil signatures and it made fk all difference |
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Mar 26, 2019 12:09:01 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Mar 26, 2019 12:09:01 GMT 1, Absolute trechorous morons the lot of you.
I don’t agree that discussing an evolving political situation is either treacherous or moronic, and I’m sorry that you feel that it is. Whatever the outcome I hope that these rifts can be mended in the future.
Absolute trechorous morons the lot of you. I don’t agree that discussing an evolving political situation is either treacherous or moronic, and I’m sorry that you feel that it is. Whatever the outcome I hope that these rifts can be mended in the future. |
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Mar 26, 2019 12:10:23 GMT 1
Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Mar 26, 2019 12:10:23 GMT 1, 17 million is still only about 26% of the population.
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It's the number who voted in the past referendum that matters... and beating that as an indication of current feeling.
17 million is still only about 26% of the population. ? It's the number who voted in the past referendum that matters... and beating that as an indication of current feeling. |
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Mar 26, 2019 13:03:15 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 13:03:15 GMT 1, Although I would prefer to remain in the EU, I don't have much faith in these petitions. Why would the government take any notice of this? They go by election results not opinion polls. 5 million is a drop in the ocean I'm afraid. Even if it got to 10 million signatures that's still an irrelevant number considering the UK population is about 65 million. They already know there are millions of people who want to remain in the EU. This isn't telling them anything they don't already know. They don't take any notice at all, the cannabis one had over 1 mil signatures and it made fk all difference
It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption!
Although I would prefer to remain in the EU, I don't have much faith in these petitions. Why would the government take any notice of this? They go by election results not opinion polls. 5 million is a drop in the ocean I'm afraid. Even if it got to 10 million signatures that's still an irrelevant number considering the UK population is about 65 million. They already know there are millions of people who want to remain in the EU. This isn't telling them anything they don't already know. They don't take any notice at all, the cannabis one had over 1 mil signatures and it made fk all difference They tend not to take notice of any peaceful protest, its just a managed opportunity for the public to vent. Last thing demos changed was poll tax, and look at how that went down. It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption! |
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Mar 26, 2019 13:14:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 13:14:35 GMT 1, Nice bit of context added in this one.
Nice bit of context added in this one. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 13:27:37 GMT 1, They don't take any notice at all, the cannabis one had over 1 mil signatures and it made fk all difference They tend not to take notice of any peaceful protest, its just a managed opportunity for the public to vent. Last thing demos changed was poll tax, and look at how that went down. It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption!
They don't take any notice at all, the cannabis one had over 1 mil signatures and it made fk all difference They tend not to take notice of any peaceful protest, its just a managed opportunity for the public to vent. Last thing demos changed was poll tax, and look at how that went down. It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption! The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? |
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Brexit, by .dappy on Mar 26, 2019 13:36:52 GMT 1, 17 million is still only about 26% of the population.
... you do realise that total population includes children, ie everyone under the age of 18 ... and of the adults eligible to vote c30-50%+ never vote anyway ... so only '26% of the population' is not bad ... when you think about it ...
17 million is still only about 26% of the population. ... you do realise that total population includes children, ie everyone under the age of 18 ... and of the adults eligible to vote c30-50%+ never vote anyway ... so only '26% of the population' is not bad ... when you think about it ... |
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Mar 26, 2019 13:46:15 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 13:46:15 GMT 1, They tend not to take notice of any peaceful protest, its just a managed opportunity for the public to vent. Last thing demos changed was poll tax, and look at how that went down. It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption! The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures?
They tend not to take notice of any peaceful protest, its just a managed opportunity for the public to vent. Last thing demos changed was poll tax, and look at how that went down. It does create a stick to beat them with when this is discussed tomorrow though, and probably for a while after to be fair. It would only get worse if no one bothered though, at least thats my assumption! The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. |
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Mar 26, 2019 13:55:54 GMT 1
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 13:55:54 GMT 1, The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter.
I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared.
According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things.
Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change.
The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. |
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Mar 26, 2019 13:56:07 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 13:56:07 GMT 1, The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter.
However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen.
The odd thing about this petition is that the government already knows that 16 million voted to remain in the EU two years ago. So why should the government be concerned about a petition with only 5 million signatures? Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. |
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Mar 26, 2019 14:27:00 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Schrödinger's Chat on Mar 26, 2019 14:27:00 GMT 1, Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen.
"6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain."
This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument.
I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto.
I get it. 🤔
Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 |
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Mar 26, 2019 14:33:04 GMT 1
Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Mar 26, 2019 14:33:04 GMT 1, Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔
Or that far less than half the population voted to leave... So we're staying, right? ... Hang on! 🤔
Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 Or that far less than half the population voted to leave... So we're staying, right? ... Hang on! 🤔 |
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Mar 26, 2019 14:36:35 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Mar 26, 2019 14:36:35 GMT 1, Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change.
Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave.
In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion.
But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not).
Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). |
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Mar 26, 2019 14:38:25 GMT 1
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 14:38:25 GMT 1, Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔
That’s not was said.
The majority of people have not signed the petition. Where as when there was a vote the majority of people vote leave.
You are right though by not signing a petition doesn’t mean you support the opposing argument. So the people who didn’t sign the leave with no deal petition don’t all support remain.
Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 That’s not was said. The majority of people have not signed the petition. Where as when there was a vote the majority of people vote leave. You are right though by not signing a petition doesn’t mean you support the opposing argument. So the people who didn’t sign the leave with no deal petition don’t all support remain. |
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Mar 26, 2019 14:57:57 GMT 1
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 14:57:57 GMT 1, I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not).
It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am.
It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote.
There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country.
Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite.
I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won.
The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on.
I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am. It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote. There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country. Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite. I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won. The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on. |
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Mar 26, 2019 15:06:06 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Mar 26, 2019 15:06:06 GMT 1, Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am. It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote. There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country. Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite. I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won. The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on.
Thanks for clarifying.
One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people.
The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum.
Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy.
Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am. It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote. There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country. Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite. I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won. The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on. Thanks for clarifying. One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people. The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum. Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy. |
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Mar 26, 2019 15:16:31 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Hairbland on Mar 26, 2019 15:16:31 GMT 1, I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not).
The same unaware millennials that didn't vote in the 2016 US Presidential election - 26% of the US public voted. Granted, 74% of US is not millennials ( thank god!), but the general apathy is a disgrace.
I think the petition to remain and the petition to leave with no deal can’t be compared. According to the results of the vote most people want to leave, not leave with no deal. They’re two different things. Everyone knows there a large number of people want to remain, but as previously indicated only 10% ish of the population have signed the petition. It’s a record etc etc but it doesn’t mean that anything should change. Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). The same unaware millennials that didn't vote in the 2016 US Presidential election - 26% of the US public voted. Granted, 74% of US is not millennials ( thank god!), but the general apathy is a disgrace. |
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Brexit, by dogstar on Mar 26, 2019 15:24:34 GMT 1, Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). The same unaware millennials that didn't vote in the 2016 US Presidential election - 26% of the US public voted. Granted, 74% of US is not millennials ( thank god!), but the general apathy is a disgrace.
Apologies for being pedantic, but the result of the vote is not, in my opinion, that most people want to leave. In part because the vote is now almost 3 years old and therefore is unlikely to accurately reflect current opinion. But, more importantly, only marginally more of those eligible to vote voted to leave. Roughly speaking one third voted to leave, one third voted to remain, and one third didn’t vote (and one can only speculate why not). The same unaware millennials that didn't vote in the 2016 US Presidential election - 26% of the US public voted. Granted, 74% of US is not millennials ( thank god!), but the general apathy is a disgrace. Indeed. A number of people I know didn't bother to vote in the referendum simply because they didn't think their 'remain' votes were needed. |
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 15:25:02 GMT 1, It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am. It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote. There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country. Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite. I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won. The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on. Thanks for clarifying. One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people. The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum. Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy.
I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward.
I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit.
What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide.
It’s ok to be pedantic, I often am. It’s all down to numbers, of the people who voted more people voted to leave than remain. While the figure was maginal that’s all it needs to be. It remains more people voted out. Even by saying the majority was marginal It is an admission that there was a majority vote. There’s no point speculating about what the view of those who didn’t vote is. They didn’t vote, they had the opportunity to be involved and chose not to. I have not voted in elections for years but I voted in this one, I recognised how important it was to the country. Whether the vote still reflects what current opinion is open to debate and always will be. . Public opinion is dynamic and can swing one way then the opposite. I respect your opinion and think that it is possible you may be right but it’s inescapable that on the day leave won. The real discussion from day one to my mind was always cross party discussions on how we can leave with the best deal. How can we make this work. Not the constant bicker about leave/remain, that’s been decided on. Thanks for clarifying. One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people. The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum. Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy. I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. |
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Mar 26, 2019 15:59:31 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 15:59:31 GMT 1, Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen.
Well, in a rather obvious way, its a gauge of current public opinion. Its had 5 days so far and is fast headed for 6 million signatures. If you look at the equal petition for leaving with no deal, it gives you a pretty good idea of what has strength of public feeling and what clearly doesnt. One has run for 5 days, the other since December. It speaks volumes of how people feel. Which makes it highly relevant, them ignoring it is a different matter. Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. Thats the same twisted use of stats that lead to tories claiming record employment when its down to full time employment being judged as an hour a week. Or record wage increases, when its because those already earning the most are gaining huge rises and those at the bottom get nothing, the average is of course a false story there. So is the bollox you are spewing as anyone with some sense will be fully aware. The people that havnt signed are not all leave voters, thats just more utter stupidity. |
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Mar 26, 2019 16:02:26 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 16:02:26 GMT 1, I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. And yet it's not at all undemocratic for the Maybot to repeatedly push yet another vote on her deal? 
I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. And yet it's not at all undemocratic for the Maybot to repeatedly push yet another vote on her deal? "meaningful" vote number 3!! |
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Brexit, by Coach on Mar 26, 2019 16:04:24 GMT 1, Thanks for clarifying. One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people. The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum. Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy. I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide.
First of all, I would like to say that I wish all my discussions about Brexit had been as well mannered as my discussion with you. It makes a pleasant change not to face vitriol when having a political discussion.
I appreciate that any vote for remain versus various leave options would split the leave vote and would be blatantly unfair.
I have heard a discussion about this on the radio, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but it was made clear to me that such a vote was still possible, by way of weighted options.
I have often heard it argued that there might then be a third or fourth vote. Personally I don’t think there is a risk of that. There was a non binding referendum nearly three years ago giving a binery choice of leave or remain. I believe there should be one more vote once the options that are truly available are known, as to which the public wants.
Of course, in reality I don’t believe there should have been a vote in the first place. We have a representative democracy and so the decision was for those that we have voted to represent us.
Thanks for clarifying. One point upon which we don’t agree is the concept that there’s been a vote and that’s it. I agree public opinion is dynamic. If public opinion has changed, then the government should not, in my opinion, continue to press ahead, as to do so is failing to represent the people. The only way to test that is by way of a further referendum. Some have suggested that it would be undemocratic. I don’t follow that argument. Having another vote is clearly democratic, especially if it’s to determine what should happen once the options are clear. I genuinely believe, for example, that a lot of people who voted to leave did not vote for there to be no deal, and were told that a deal would be easy. I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. First of all, I would like to say that I wish all my discussions about Brexit had been as well mannered as my discussion with you. It makes a pleasant change not to face vitriol when having a political discussion. I appreciate that any vote for remain versus various leave options would split the leave vote and would be blatantly unfair. I have heard a discussion about this on the radio, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but it was made clear to me that such a vote was still possible, by way of weighted options. I have often heard it argued that there might then be a third or fourth vote. Personally I don’t think there is a risk of that. There was a non binding referendum nearly three years ago giving a binery choice of leave or remain. I believe there should be one more vote once the options that are truly available are known, as to which the public wants. Of course, in reality I don’t believe there should have been a vote in the first place. We have a representative democracy and so the decision was for those that we have voted to represent us. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:39:36 GMT 1, Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔
Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 It doesn't mean you support the counter argument. It means you really couldn't care less. Or, alternatively, that you are so fed up with Brexit that you stopped following it a long time ago. |
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 16:49:33 GMT 1, I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide.
That’s a picture of a massive David Davis tweet, which underneath says he didn’t tweet it. Why would you even do that?
I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide.
That’s a picture of a massive David Davis tweet, which underneath says he didn’t tweet it. Why would you even do that? |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:54:37 GMT 1, Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. Thats the same twisted use of stats that lead to tories claiming record employment when its down to full time employment being judged as an hour a week. Or record wage increases, when its because those already earning the most are gaining huge rises and those at the bottom get nothing, the average is of course a false story there. So is the bollox you are spewing as anyone with some sense will be fully aware. The people that havnt signed are not all leave voters, thats just more utter stupidity.
That's democracy for you.
Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'. However, all this is somewhat academic. For a repeal of article 50, one needs MPs to legislate for it. And that's not going to happen. Thats the same twisted use of stats that lead to tories claiming record employment when its down to full time employment being judged as an hour a week. Or record wage increases, when its because those already earning the most are gaining huge rises and those at the bottom get nothing, the average is of course a false story there. So is the bollox you are spewing as anyone with some sense will be fully aware. The people that havnt signed are not all leave voters, thats just more utter stupidity. It's not "utter stupidity" to suggest that 6 million signatures is not a majority figure. It's not even close. For those that haven't signed, one can only speculate. Many (not me) want out because they are fed up with the EU regardless of the potential for negative consequences. I voted remain but I won't be signing the petition because I think its a terrible idea. The public were told that the government would act on the referendum result and so that is what they should do. Whether Brexit will be a disaster or not is somewhat of a side issue. That's democracy for you. |
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Brexit, by Schrödinger's Chat on Mar 26, 2019 16:57:18 GMT 1, "6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 It doesn't mean you support the counter argument. It means you really couldn't care less. Or, alternatively, that you are so fed up with Brexit that you stopped following it a long time ago.
Or a myriad other reasons.
No computer
Not eligible
Infirm
Think these petitions are a waste of time
Apathy
Lack of knowledge
Etc.
"6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain." This is an interesting argument, based on this logic by not signing a petition on any topic I must by default support the counter argument. I.e. Don't sign petition for pesticide reduction = proactively supports Monsanto. I get it. 🤔 It doesn't mean you support the counter argument. It means you really couldn't care less. Or, alternatively, that you are so fed up with Brexit that you stopped following it a long time ago. Or a myriad other reasons. No computer Not eligible Infirm Think these petitions are a waste of time Apathy Lack of knowledge Etc. |
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 17:00:50 GMT 1, I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. First of all, I would like to say that I wish all my discussions about Brexit had been as well mannered as my discussion with you. It makes a pleasant change not to face vitriol when having a political discussion. I appreciate that any vote for remain versus various leave options would split the leave vote and would be blatantly unfair. I have heard a discussion about this on the radio, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but it was made clear to me that such a vote was still possible, by way of weighted options. I have often heard it argued that there might then be a third or fourth vote. Personally I don’t think there is a risk of that. There was a non binding referendum nearly three years ago giving a binery choice of leave or remain. I believe there should be one more vote once the options that are truly available are known, as to which the public wants. Of course, in reality I don’t believe there should have been a vote in the first place. We have a representative democracy and so the decision was for those that we have voted to represent us.
Vitriol is a waste of energy and time.
If leavers and remainers had worked together towards the best deal possible instead of name calling then leave may have worked or been acceptable to everyone. . As it is everyone has been fighting over a question that’s been answered and 3 years have been wasted.
I don’t think there should be another vote as that’s been decided. Also if you were to have a vote to stay and say 3 leave options the stay option would win as the leave votes would have be divided between three options. So a second vote would be difficult and potentially undemocratic. you can’t keep voting on the same issue repeatedly. Best of 3, best of 5 etc. That is undemocratic, the vote is in its time to move forward. I do agree I too think most of the leave voters did not vote for a no deal brexit. What I think can and should be voted on is how we leave. Three realistic leave proposals, excluding remain or what would effectively be remain, and let the people decide. First of all, I would like to say that I wish all my discussions about Brexit had been as well mannered as my discussion with you. It makes a pleasant change not to face vitriol when having a political discussion. I appreciate that any vote for remain versus various leave options would split the leave vote and would be blatantly unfair. I have heard a discussion about this on the radio, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but it was made clear to me that such a vote was still possible, by way of weighted options. I have often heard it argued that there might then be a third or fourth vote. Personally I don’t think there is a risk of that. There was a non binding referendum nearly three years ago giving a binery choice of leave or remain. I believe there should be one more vote once the options that are truly available are known, as to which the public wants. Of course, in reality I don’t believe there should have been a vote in the first place. We have a representative democracy and so the decision was for those that we have voted to represent us. Vitriol is a waste of energy and time. If leavers and remainers had worked together towards the best deal possible instead of name calling then leave may have worked or been acceptable to everyone. . As it is everyone has been fighting over a question that’s been answered and 3 years have been wasted. |
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Brexit, by vei on Mar 26, 2019 17:23:05 GMT 1, That’s a picture of a massive David Davis tweet, which underneath says he didn’t tweet it. Why would you even do that?
Lol. Are you suggesting that in your view it's discredited by attempting to make people think it was a tweet, rather than (as the banner also states) a quote from Davis? And that that makes a difference to the quote?
You might as well question or rubbish it on the basis that there's never been a phone that big.
Not at all, I agree with the sentiment, I just don’t see why they didn’t just have it as a quote. There would’ve been no need for the small print.
There was a vote in 1975 and a vote in 2016 and democarcy changed its mind. That’s why we’re leaving.
It’ll be interesting to see if there’s another 40 years between referendums.
That’s a picture of a massive David Davis tweet, which underneath says he didn’t tweet it. Why would you even do that?
Lol. Are you suggesting that in your view it's discredited by attempting to make people think it was a tweet, rather than (as the banner also states) a quote from Davis? And that that makes a difference to the quote?
You might as well question or rubbish it on the basis that there's never been a phone that big. Not at all, I agree with the sentiment, I just don’t see why they didn’t just have it as a quote. There would’ve been no need for the small print. There was a vote in 1975 and a vote in 2016 and democarcy changed its mind. That’s why we’re leaving. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s another 40 years between referendums. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:25:52 GMT 1, If people want a laugh, go over to Facebook and search for the 'Britain Bites Back' page. It's hilarious. It was started by a rabid leaver and has a poll running with 90% voting to remain. (it's the second poll he has run actually. The first also ended with 90% remain). Not quite what he wanted as some of the comments show.
If people want a laugh, go over to Facebook and search for the 'Britain Bites Back' page. It's hilarious. It was started by a rabid leaver and has a poll running with 90% voting to remain. (it's the second poll he has run actually. The first also ended with 90% remain). Not quite what he wanted as some of the comments show.
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Mar 26, 2019 17:30:19 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Mar 26, 2019 17:30:19 GMT 1, Thats the same twisted use of stats that lead to tories claiming record employment when its down to full time employment being judged as an hour a week. Or record wage increases, when its because those already earning the most are gaining huge rises and those at the bottom get nothing, the average is of course a false story there. So is the bollox you are spewing as anyone with some sense will be fully aware. The people that havnt signed are not all leave voters, thats just more utter stupidity. It's not "utter stupidity" to suggest that 6 million signatures is not a majority figure. It's not even close. For those that haven't signed, one can only speculate. Many (not me) want out because they are fed up with the EU regardless of the potential for negative consequences. I voted remain but I won't be signing the petition because I think its a terrible idea. The public were told that the government would act on the referendum result and so that is what they should do. Whether Brexit will be a disaster or not is somewhat of a side issue. That's democracy for you.
"Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'."
Want another go at that bit then?
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/144304/brexit?page=37#ixzz5jIPxJdkw
Thats the same twisted use of stats that lead to tories claiming record employment when its down to full time employment being judged as an hour a week. Or record wage increases, when its because those already earning the most are gaining huge rises and those at the bottom get nothing, the average is of course a false story there. So is the bollox you are spewing as anyone with some sense will be fully aware. The people that havnt signed are not all leave voters, thats just more utter stupidity. It's not "utter stupidity" to suggest that 6 million signatures is not a majority figure. It's not even close. For those that haven't signed, one can only speculate. Many (not me) want out because they are fed up with the EU regardless of the potential for negative consequences. I voted remain but I won't be signing the petition because I think its a terrible idea. The public were told that the government would act on the referendum result and so that is what they should do. Whether Brexit will be a disaster or not is somewhat of a side issue. That's democracy for you. Democracy allows for more than one vote, another totally nonsense suggestion. "Ironically if it is, indeed, a gauge of current public opinion, then 6 million signatures would suggest that the majority actually want us to leave the EU not remain. 6 million is not the 'majority'." Want another go at that bit then? Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/144304/brexit?page=37#ixzz5jIPxJdkw |
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