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May 23, 2019 16:47:04 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 23, 2019 16:47:04 GMT 1, Looks like tons of councils are — illegally — blocking EU citizens from voting. Check #DeniedMyVote on Twitter: mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23deniedmyvote&src=typed_queryAnd just in case you are wondering, we are talking about a pool of 3 million voters... i.e. 6% of the legitimate electorate. Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS".
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing.
Looks like tons of councils are — illegally — blocking EU citizens from voting. Check #DeniedMyVote on Twitter: mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23deniedmyvote&src=typed_queryAnd just in case you are wondering, we are talking about a pool of 3 million voters... i.e. 6% of the legitimate electorate. Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on May 23, 2019 17:06:14 GMT 1, Looks like tons of councils are — illegally — blocking EU citizens from voting. Check #DeniedMyVote on Twitter: mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23deniedmyvote&src=typed_queryAnd just in case you are wondering, we are talking about a pool of 3 million voters... i.e. 6% of the legitimate electorate. Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS".
Indeed, the councils are blaming it on the government sending the relevant paperwork too late...
Looks like tons of councils are — illegally — blocking EU citizens from voting. Check #DeniedMyVote on Twitter: mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23deniedmyvote&src=typed_queryAnd just in case you are wondering, we are talking about a pool of 3 million voters... i.e. 6% of the legitimate electorate. Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". Indeed, the councils are blaming it on the government sending the relevant paperwork too late... |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on May 23, 2019 17:09:31 GMT 1, Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing.
As much as I dislike conspiracy theories, you might be right — but I honestly hope that you aren’t.
Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. As much as I dislike conspiracy theories, you might be right — but I honestly hope that you aren’t. |
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May 23, 2019 17:27:53 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 23, 2019 17:27:53 GMT 1, Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing.
Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. I wasnt defending it by any means. Just saying that the Government caused it, but as the councils have to implement it, they are getting blamed. |
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May 23, 2019 17:53:26 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 23, 2019 17:53:26 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. As much as I dislike conspiracy theories, you might be right — but I honestly hope that you aren’t.
They've managed to implement a system which requires EU citizens to apply to stay in their own homes. At the very last hour, under pressure, they removed the fee.
With these elections they knew there'd be issues and they've been repeatedly asked to provide the correct forms at polling stations to correct/avoid them.
It's possible to make last minute changes to do the right thing if the will is there.
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. As much as I dislike conspiracy theories, you might be right — but I honestly hope that you aren’t. They've managed to implement a system which requires EU citizens to apply to stay in their own homes. At the very last hour, under pressure, they removed the fee. With these elections they knew there'd be issues and they've been repeatedly asked to provide the correct forms at polling stations to correct/avoid them. It's possible to make last minute changes to do the right thing if the will is there. |
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May 23, 2019 18:00:10 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on May 23, 2019 18:00:10 GMT 1, Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing.
Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
Is it the councils? I heard yesterday it had to do with the government not bothering to put the paperwork through in time. As obviously, they had it all under control and we would be leaving in March, May, /TBC, but there was "NO WAY AT ALL WE WOULD BE TAKING PART IN EU ELECTIONS". It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. |
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May 23, 2019 18:08:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on May 23, 2019 18:08:03 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
It is possible for the register to be changed until 9pm tonight though, so apparently people can "go along with the correct paperwork" and be added. God knows what that actually means but i guess thats what DLR was pointing out.
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. Rubbish, at the exact moment they realised they had no choice but to run them, the government should have sorted this. Instead they decided to shaft those with the most to lose. Standard tory practice. They have done it before and are trying to disenfranchise more people from the polls with voter ID. It is possible for the register to be changed until 9pm tonight though, so apparently people can "go along with the correct paperwork" and be added. God knows what that actually means but i guess thats what DLR was pointing out. |
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May 23, 2019 18:15:58 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 23, 2019 18:15:58 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
This could've been fixed on the day. All it requires is for a form to be filled in and that could've been done at the polling station. The government have chosen to not allow that to happen.
This problem was identified as an issue at the last EU elections. At the time the government promised it wouldn't happen again
Running out of time, 5 years on, Brexit or no Brexit, is not an excuse for not allowing people to exercise their democratic right.
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. This could've been fixed on the day. All it requires is for a form to be filled in and that could've been done at the polling station. The government have chosen to not allow that to happen. This problem was identified as an issue at the last EU elections. At the time the government promised it wouldn't happen again Running out of time, 5 years on, Brexit or no Brexit, is not an excuse for not allowing people to exercise their democratic right. |
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May 23, 2019 18:31:45 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 23, 2019 18:31:45 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
... I'm going to agree with dlr on this one ... this event happened last time and the Govt did promise to fix the issue ... years later it's happened again ...
... it doesn't help that some councils are now using private postal services and not the Royal Mail ... voting papers for Spain were first sent to Holland for a few days for sorting before onward travel ...
British post for British people ...
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. ... I'm going to agree with dlr on this one ... this event happened last time and the Govt did promise to fix the issue ... years later it's happened again ... ... it doesn't help that some councils are now using private postal services and not the Royal Mail ... voting papers for Spain were first sent to Holland for a few days for sorting before onward travel ... British post for British people ... |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on May 23, 2019 19:34:32 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
“Complexity should not be used without necessity.” Love William of Ockham 😊
On the other hand, I know for a fact (I was in the pilot of the software for the settlement scheme) that the home department could check the right to vote of all EU citizens virtually within 24hours. There are no excuses.
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. “Complexity should not be used without necessity.” Love William of Ockham 😊 On the other hand, I know for a fact (I was in the pilot of the software for the settlement scheme) that the home department could check the right to vote of all EU citizens virtually within 24hours. There are no excuses. |
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May 23, 2019 20:02:11 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on May 23, 2019 20:02:11 GMT 1, I hope you are all voting in the EU elections. If you are a Remainer, then please vote tactically. The only way to beat Brexit madness is to vote for the most popular Remain party in your region. This is usually the LibDems or sometimes the Greens. Labour *still* can't seem to make up their minds. Forget about party loyalty and vote for the opposite of the Nigel Farage fan club party and the new fascist BNP, also know as UKIP. A guide on how to vote tactically seat by seat: www.remainunited.org
Thank you for this. I had done my own research. This site confirmed my research.
I hope you are all voting in the EU elections. If you are a Remainer, then please vote tactically. The only way to beat Brexit madness is to vote for the most popular Remain party in your region. This is usually the LibDems or sometimes the Greens. Labour *still* can't seem to make up their minds. Forget about party loyalty and vote for the opposite of the Nigel Farage fan club party and the new fascist BNP, also know as UKIP. A guide on how to vote tactically seat by seat: www.remainunited.orgThank you for this. I had done my own research. This site confirmed my research. |
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May 23, 2019 20:06:29 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on May 23, 2019 20:06:29 GMT 1, It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one.
I believe they knew what they were doing. According to the report on the radio this evening, the deadline for EU nationals living here to complete the form confirming they weren’t voting in another European country, in order to be able to vote here (their home) was the same day the election was called.
It's straightforward voter suppression. They know what they're doing. Despite me disagreeing with many of your views I still never had you down as a conspiracy theorist. The government never expected to have to run EU elections. They simply ran out of time, that's all. Or perhaps it's down to aliens from the planet Tharg. Have you heard of "Occam's razor"? In a nutshell, it means the most likely explanation is usually the correct one. I believe they knew what they were doing. According to the report on the radio this evening, the deadline for EU nationals living here to complete the form confirming they weren’t voting in another European country, in order to be able to vote here (their home) was the same day the election was called. |
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May 23, 2019 21:36:38 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 23, 2019 21:36:38 GMT 1, Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”.
It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law.
I hope all those denied democracy take this to court.
Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”.
It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law.
I hope all those denied democracy take this to court.
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May 23, 2019 22:12:13 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on May 23, 2019 22:12:13 GMT 1, Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”. It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law. I hope all those denied democracy take this to court.
Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”. It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law. I hope all those denied democracy take this to court. Agree - it's an astonishing situation, in the same vein as the one that Coach highlighted where local elections in his area were simply cancelled due to lack of funds. This should not be tolerated. |
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May 23, 2019 23:29:06 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on May 23, 2019 23:29:06 GMT 1, Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”. It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law. I hope all those denied democracy take this to court. Agree - it's an astonishing situation, in the same vein as the one that Coach highlighted where local elections in his area were simply cancelled due to lack of funds. This should not be tolerated.
I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that.
Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, states that EU nationals have “the right to vote … under the same conditions as nationals of that state [of residence]”. It looks as though being asked to fill out the additional forms is discrimination and therefore illegal under EU Law. I hope all those denied democracy take this to court. Agree - it's an astonishing situation, in the same vein as the one that Coach highlighted where local elections in his area were simply cancelled due to lack of funds. This should not be tolerated. I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. |
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May 23, 2019 23:40:15 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on May 23, 2019 23:40:15 GMT 1, Agree - it's an astonishing situation, in the same vein as the one that Coach highlighted where local elections in his area were simply cancelled due to lack of funds. This should not be tolerated. I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that.
Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged.
As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources.
It was wilful.
Agree - it's an astonishing situation, in the same vein as the one that Coach highlighted where local elections in his area were simply cancelled due to lack of funds. This should not be tolerated. I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged. As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources. It was wilful. |
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May 23, 2019 23:48:08 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on May 23, 2019 23:48:08 GMT 1, I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged. As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources. It was wilful.
Like I said - I call bullshit on the excuse of shortness of time.
I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged. As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources. It was wilful. Like I said - I call bullshit on the excuse of shortness of time. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on May 24, 2019 0:05:17 GMT 1, Just got #DeniedMyVote 🤬
Just got #DeniedMyVote 🤬
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May 24, 2019 9:18:38 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Schrödinger's Chat on May 24, 2019 9:18:38 GMT 1, I dedicate this track to Mrs May
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May 24, 2019 10:02:15 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on May 24, 2019 10:06:36 GMT 1, I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged. As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources. It was wilful.
I agree. This is starting to get some traction (though no doubt it will be short lived). The top dog of organising the election was just interviewed (few minutes ago) on radio 4. He said it was neither gross incompetence nor wilful. Just shortness of time. I call bullshit on that. You make sure those entitled to vote can vote. Simple as that. Stating the issue was due to shortness of time is an admission of incompetence. If you don't have enough time, it's because you've not resourced it properly. If you've not resourced it properly you've probably not budgeted properly. It's been mismanaged. As you stated though, there was an entitlement that wasn't honoured and there were plenty of options available which didn't require significant increase in budget/resources. It was wilful. I think it is worth stopping for a moment and considering motive here. What would the government gain by prohibiting non-Brits from voting? They are probably sh*t scared of the Brexit Party hoovering up the majority of votes but what non-Brits living in the UK would vote for the Brexit Party? At a guess, I would say the answer is zero. In other words it would be to the government's advantage to have non-Brits voting en mass as that will inevitably dilute the Brexit Party vote. If it was 'wilful' that would simply be playing in to the hands of the Brexit Party who would gain an even bigger percentage of the votes. |
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May 24, 2019 10:06:42 GMT 1
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May 24, 2019 10:52:31 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on May 24, 2019 11:16:17 GMT 1, So she is going then.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905
Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing.
So she is going then. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing. |
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May 24, 2019 11:29:59 GMT 1
Brexit, by irl1 on May 24, 2019 11:29:59 GMT 1, So she is going then. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing.
Really now that all the washing is out in the open it "should" be put to another vote.
It looks to me that some people voted without really knowing what they were voting for
So she is going then. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing. The poor woman has aged so much in the last 3 years. Without going into the whole Brexit thing she is only doing what the people voted for. Really now that all the washing is out in the open it "should" be put to another vote. It looks to me that some people voted without really knowing what they were voting for |
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May 24, 2019 12:38:05 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on May 24, 2019 12:38:05 GMT 1, So she is going then. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing.
But professionally - no empathy at all. Not only does she have a hideous discography of 'achievements', both as Home Secretary and PM, but even in her resignation speech she seemed to show a staggering level of delusion. Listing Mental Health funding as one of her successes and championing her handling of Grenfell as a positive is utterly baffling.
Her treatment of immigrants - whether illegal through the use of the GO HOME billboards, or those wanting to reunite with their families but finding themselves prevented from doing so due to the minimum income requirement - will have caused feelings of devastation and humiliation to thousands of people that pale her situation into insignificance.
However, sadly I agree with you that whatever Tory replacement we end up with will be far worse. (EDIT: Although I realise now that isn't quite what you said - didn't mean to put words in your mouth)
So she is going then. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395905Am I the only one who feels sorry for Theresa May? She did her best under impossible circumstances. We would have been in this mess regardless of who was in charge. If people think that a new Prime Minister (Boris Johnson?) will suddenly turn Brexit in to a walk in the park, then they are in for a very big shock. Changing PM changes nothing. As a human, yes I feel sorry for someone who is obviously exhausted, devastated and humiliated. But professionally - no empathy at all. Not only does she have a hideous discography of 'achievements', both as Home Secretary and PM, but even in her resignation speech she seemed to show a staggering level of delusion. Listing Mental Health funding as one of her successes and championing her handling of Grenfell as a positive is utterly baffling. Her treatment of immigrants - whether illegal through the use of the GO HOME billboards, or those wanting to reunite with their families but finding themselves prevented from doing so due to the minimum income requirement - will have caused feelings of devastation and humiliation to thousands of people that pale her situation into insignificance. However, sadly I agree with you that whatever Tory replacement we end up with will be far worse. (EDIT: Although I realise now that isn't quite what you said - didn't mean to put words in your mouth) |
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May 24, 2019 12:47:10 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on May 24, 2019 12:47:10 GMT 1, ... I hope we are using this time wisely with the completion of the 40 trade agreements 'which will be easy' ...
... last I heard we were up to about 6 ... including the Faroe Islands, Papua New Guinea and Switzerland ...
British trade for British people ...
... I hope we are using this time wisely with the completion of the 40 trade agreements 'which will be easy' ...
... last I heard we were up to about 6 ... including the Faroe Islands, Papua New Guinea and Switzerland ...
British trade for British people ...
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May 24, 2019 12:51:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on May 24, 2019 12:51:34 GMT 1, I agree - although at least she showed a bit of passion at the end. Not like that cheery t**t Cameron, humming his way back to number 10 after fucking things up for the foreseeable.
I agree - although at least she showed a bit of passion at the end. Not like that cheery t**t Cameron, humming his way back to number 10 after fucking things up for the foreseeable. |
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May 24, 2019 13:08:29 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Schrödinger's Chat on May 24, 2019 13:08:29 GMT 1, I felt that her tears were just a display of self pity for a very very bruised ego, but maybe I'm just being heartless on this one.
I do fear who the replacement will be, particularly if they decide the way to increase Tory popularity is to appeal even more to the Right.
I felt that her tears were just a display of self pity for a very very bruised ego, but maybe I'm just being heartless on this one.
I do fear who the replacement will be, particularly if they decide the way to increase Tory popularity is to appeal even more to the Right.
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