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Brexit, by Coach on Sept 13, 2019 20:35:04 GMT 1, The Daily Mail has found some proper dirt on the treacherous Scottish judges who ruled prorogation to be unlawful. It turns out one of the rotten bastards has a "passion for France." Another traitor scumbag is a "jazz lover" who predicted Brexit would be "an onerous task." Damning scandalous stuff! 
The concept of the popular press making hate figures out if the judiciary (remember “enemies of the people”?) fills me with worry.
Judges tend to be exceptionally clever, they carefully consider and apply the law; and they are very good at putting aside any personal bias. I wonder if anyone at the DM read the judgement (I very much doubt that they read all the evidence). Sure judges get things wrong, and until they are replaced by AI, they will continue to do so. But demonisation of them dangerously undermines them, and so the legal system as a whole. I seem to remember lord Neuberger saying just this on the Today programme after the enemies of the people headline.
And, dogstar, I agree. If that’s the worst they could come up with, it’s ludicrous that they bothered to print that story (but not surprising!).
The Daily Mail has found some proper dirt on the treacherous Scottish judges who ruled prorogation to be unlawful. It turns out one of the rotten bastards has a "passion for France." Another traitor scumbag is a "jazz lover" who predicted Brexit would be "an onerous task." Damning scandalous stuff! The concept of the popular press making hate figures out if the judiciary (remember “enemies of the people”?) fills me with worry. Judges tend to be exceptionally clever, they carefully consider and apply the law; and they are very good at putting aside any personal bias. I wonder if anyone at the DM read the judgement (I very much doubt that they read all the evidence). Sure judges get things wrong, and until they are replaced by AI, they will continue to do so. But demonisation of them dangerously undermines them, and so the legal system as a whole. I seem to remember lord Neuberger saying just this on the Today programme after the enemies of the people headline. And, dogstar, I agree. If that’s the worst they could come up with, it’s ludicrous that they bothered to print that story (but not surprising!). |
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Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Sept 14, 2019 13:12:44 GMT 1, Only the strongest will survive You lot are fucked 😂
Only the strongest will survive You lot are fucked 😂 I mean I am pretty sure you are just trolling but I think that you should go read On the Origin of Species because that is not how Darwinism works. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Sept 19, 2019 10:39:55 GMT 1, OECD forecast of the costs and “benefits” of a no-deal Brexit are in, and the news (as everybody with some understating of things was expecting), are not good: recession in 2020 and lasting for a while, a ballpark 3% reduction in GDP, i.e. roughly speaking 2k cost per family per year, and things could go even much worse (but not much better).
In comparison, no-deal would cost the EU about 0.6% of GDP. Guess who has more bargaining power and who looks like a fool instead?
In one picture, here is what to expect for the next 3 years under this misguided policy:
OECD forecast of the costs and “benefits” of a no-deal Brexit are in, and the news (as everybody with some understating of things was expecting), are not good: recession in 2020 and lasting for a while, a ballpark 3% reduction in GDP, i.e. roughly speaking 2k cost per family per year, and things could go even much worse (but not much better). In comparison, no-deal would cost the EU about 0.6% of GDP. Guess who has more bargaining power and who looks like a fool instead? In one picture, here is what to expect for the next 3 years under this misguided policy: |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Sept 19, 2019 11:01:58 GMT 1,
Ignorance ain’t bliss. But good for you it seems.
👋
Ignorance ain’t bliss. But good for you it seems. 👋 |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Sept 19, 2019 11:05:53 GMT 1, Ignorance ain’t bliss. But good for you it seems. 👋 And project fear got you soiling your pants Man up
Nope. Basic education just give realism. But not worth engaging with you more than with a donkey, so 👋 👋
Ignorance ain’t bliss. But good for you it seems. 👋 And project fear got you soiling your pants Man up Nope. Basic education just give realism. But not worth engaging with you more than with a donkey, so 👋 👋 |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Sept 19, 2019 11:19:49 GMT 1, It's okay for Luxembourg to moan about Brexit. They get £33 back for every £1 they put in, we get 38 pence for every £1 we give!!.
You are ignorant (no offence meant, just an observation), or else knowingly lying. Just read up (if you can’t, at least stare at figure 1 long enough and think): www.oecd.org/economy/The-Economic-consequences-of-Brexit-27-april-2016.pdf
Enough private tuition for today.
It's okay for Luxembourg to moan about Brexit. They get £33 back for every £1 they put in, we get 38 pence for every £1 we give!!. You are ignorant (no offence meant, just an observation), or else knowingly lying. Just read up (if you can’t, at least stare at figure 1 long enough and think): www.oecd.org/economy/The-Economic-consequences-of-Brexit-27-april-2016.pdfEnough private tuition for today. |
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Sept 19, 2019 12:36:52 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on Sept 19, 2019 12:36:52 GMT 1, 'alternative arrangements ... you know'
'no, what are those?'
'well you know - electronic'
'no not really - write them down and we can see what that means'
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'alternative arrangements ... you know'
'no, what are those?'
'well you know - electronic'
'no not really - write them down and we can see what that means'
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Sept 19, 2019 12:43:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Sept 19, 2019 12:43:35 GMT 1, The UK pays a rebated EU membership fee of £280 million a week.
According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, UK membership of the EU single market is worth 4% more in GDP = £1.9 billion a week.
EU membership means a UK net gain of over £1.6 billion a week.
Put that on a bus.
The UK pays a rebated EU membership fee of £280 million a week.
According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, UK membership of the EU single market is worth 4% more in GDP = £1.9 billion a week.
EU membership means a UK net gain of over £1.6 billion a week.
Put that on a bus.
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Sept 24, 2019 10:54:25 GMT 1
Brexit, by Chris JL on Sept 24, 2019 10:54:25 GMT 1, "boom!" Chapeau to British democratic institutions.
Summary of judgement
Full text
"This prolonged suspension of Parliamentary democracy took place in quite exceptional circumstances: the fundamental change which was due to take place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom on 31st October. Parliament, and in particular the House of Commons as the elected representatives of the people, has a right to a voice in how that change comes about. The effect upon the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme.
No justification for taking action with such an extreme effect has been put before the court. The only evidence of why it was taken is the memorandum from Nikki da Costa of 15th August. This explains why holding the Queen’s Speech to open a new session of Parliament on 14th October would be desirable. It does not explain why it was necessary to bring Parliamentary business to a halt for five weeks before that, when the normal period necessary to prepare for the Queen’s Speech is four to six days. It does not discuss the difference between prorogation and recess. It does not discuss the impact of prorogation on the special procedures for scrutinising the delegated legislation necessary to achieve an orderly withdrawal from the European Union, with or without a withdrawal agreement, on 31st October. It does not discuss what Parliamentary time would be needed to secure Parliamentary approval for any new withdrawal agreement, as required by section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.
The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.
The next and final question, therefore, is what the legal effect of that finding is and therefore what remedies the Court should grant. The Court can certainly declare that the advice was unlawful. The Inner House went further and declared that any prorogation resulting from it was null and of no effect. The Government argues that the Inner House could not do that because the prorogation was a “proceeding in Parliament” which, under the Bill of Rights of 1688 cannot be impugned or questioned in any court. But it is quite clear that the prorogation is not a proceeding in Parliament. It takes place in the House of Lords chamber in the presence of members of both Houses, but it is not their decision. It is something which has been imposed upon them from outside. It is not something on which members can speak or vote. It is not the core or essential business of Parliament which the Bill of Rights protects. Quite the reverse: it brings that core or essential business to an end.
This Court has already concluded that the Prime Minister’s advice to Her Majesty was unlawful, void and of no effect. This means that the Order in Council to which it led was also unlawful, void and of no effect and should be quashed. This means that when the Royal Commissioners walked into the House of Lords it was as if they walked in with a blank sheet of paper. The prorogation was also void and of no effect. Parliament has not been prorogued. This is the unanimous judgment of all 11 Justices.
It is for Parliament, and in particular the Speaker and the Lord Speaker to decide what to do next. Unless there is some Parliamentary rule of which we are unaware, they can take immediate steps to enable each House to meet as soon as possible. It is not clear to us that any step is needed from the Prime Minister, but if it is, the court is pleased that his counsel have told the court that he will take all necessary steps to comply with the terms of any declaration made by this court.
It follows that the Advocate General’s appeal in the case of Cherry is dismissed and Mrs Miller’s appeal is allowed. The same declarations and orders should be made in each case."
"boom!" Chapeau to British democratic institutions. Summary of judgementFull text
"This prolonged suspension of Parliamentary democracy took place in quite exceptional circumstances: the fundamental change which was due to take place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom on 31st October. Parliament, and in particular the House of Commons as the elected representatives of the people, has a right to a voice in how that change comes about. The effect upon the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme.
No justification for taking action with such an extreme effect has been put before the court. The only evidence of why it was taken is the memorandum from Nikki da Costa of 15th August. This explains why holding the Queen’s Speech to open a new session of Parliament on 14th October would be desirable. It does not explain why it was necessary to bring Parliamentary business to a halt for five weeks before that, when the normal period necessary to prepare for the Queen’s Speech is four to six days. It does not discuss the difference between prorogation and recess. It does not discuss the impact of prorogation on the special procedures for scrutinising the delegated legislation necessary to achieve an orderly withdrawal from the European Union, with or without a withdrawal agreement, on 31st October. It does not discuss what Parliamentary time would be needed to secure Parliamentary approval for any new withdrawal agreement, as required by section 13 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.
The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.
The next and final question, therefore, is what the legal effect of that finding is and therefore what remedies the Court should grant. The Court can certainly declare that the advice was unlawful. The Inner House went further and declared that any prorogation resulting from it was null and of no effect. The Government argues that the Inner House could not do that because the prorogation was a “proceeding in Parliament” which, under the Bill of Rights of 1688 cannot be impugned or questioned in any court. But it is quite clear that the prorogation is not a proceeding in Parliament. It takes place in the House of Lords chamber in the presence of members of both Houses, but it is not their decision. It is something which has been imposed upon them from outside. It is not something on which members can speak or vote. It is not the core or essential business of Parliament which the Bill of Rights protects. Quite the reverse: it brings that core or essential business to an end.
This Court has already concluded that the Prime Minister’s advice to Her Majesty was unlawful, void and of no effect. This means that the Order in Council to which it led was also unlawful, void and of no effect and should be quashed. This means that when the Royal Commissioners walked into the House of Lords it was as if they walked in with a blank sheet of paper. The prorogation was also void and of no effect. Parliament has not been prorogued. This is the unanimous judgment of all 11 Justices.
It is for Parliament, and in particular the Speaker and the Lord Speaker to decide what to do next. Unless there is some Parliamentary rule of which we are unaware, they can take immediate steps to enable each House to meet as soon as possible. It is not clear to us that any step is needed from the Prime Minister, but if it is, the court is pleased that his counsel have told the court that he will take all necessary steps to comply with the terms of any declaration made by this court.
It follows that the Advocate General’s appeal in the case of Cherry is dismissed and Mrs Miller’s appeal is allowed. The same declarations and orders should be made in each case." |
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Sept 24, 2019 11:12:23 GMT 1
Brexit, by kfroms on Sept 24, 2019 11:12:23 GMT 1, That is indeed a big one.
I can't deny Schadenfreude that Boris and his gang got kicked in the balls.
That is indeed a big one.
I can't deny Schadenfreude that Boris and his gang got kicked in the balls.
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Sept 24, 2019 11:29:54 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Sept 24, 2019 11:29:54 GMT 1, Suspension of parliament ruled unlawful. Yet again the makebeLeavers break the law to inflict their will on the people. All coming along rather nicely.
Suspension of parliament ruled unlawful. Yet again the makebeLeavers break the law to inflict their will on the people. All coming along rather nicely. |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 12:13:54 GMT 1, So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone?
Hello?
What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone?
Hello?
What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
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Sept 24, 2019 12:23:55 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Sept 24, 2019 12:23:55 GMT 1, It’s an interesting judgement.
There were a lot of questions asked, often of ministers (but not Johnson as he refuses to be interviewed it seems), about whether he would follow and obey any order of the court.
They seem to have made this question obsolete by asserting that not only was the act unlawful, but it was also nul and void, meaning that in law it never happened. This means that Parliament can now simply reopen.
It’s an interesting judgement.
There were a lot of questions asked, often of ministers (but not Johnson as he refuses to be interviewed it seems), about whether he would follow and obey any order of the court.
They seem to have made this question obsolete by asserting that not only was the act unlawful, but it was also nul and void, meaning that in law it never happened. This means that Parliament can now simply reopen.
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Sept 24, 2019 12:41:07 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 12:41:07 GMT 1, So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone? Hello? What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
Nobody voted for him in the first place.
Yeah but people will be in a few weeks, wont they?
So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone? Hello? What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
Nobody voted for him in the first place. Yeah but people will be in a few weeks, wont they? |
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Sept 24, 2019 12:48:16 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Sept 24, 2019 12:48:16 GMT 1, Suspension of parliament ruled unlawful. Yet again the makebeLeavers break the law to inflict their will on the people. All coming along rather nicely.
Aside from illegally proroguing Parliament, lying to the Queen and country, dodgy use of public funds, threatening to ignore the law, and losing his first six votes as PM, all things considered it’s going pretty well.
Suspension of parliament ruled unlawful. Yet again the makebeLeavers break the law to inflict their will on the people. All coming along rather nicely.
Aside from illegally proroguing Parliament, lying to the Queen and country, dodgy use of public funds, threatening to ignore the law, and losing his first six votes as PM, all things considered it’s going pretty well.
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Sept 24, 2019 13:39:00 GMT 1
Brexit, by hibster on Sept 24, 2019 13:39:00 GMT 1, So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone? Hello? What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
since?
So who now could honestly vote for Boris? Anyone? Hello? What an absolute clown he has been since taking charge
since?
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Sept 24, 2019 14:16:11 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Sept 24, 2019 14:16:11 GMT 1, Brexiters who insisted the prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit are now foaming at the mouth saying prorogation being declared unlawful is an attempt to stop Brexit.
Much lolling.
Brexiters who insisted the prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit are now foaming at the mouth saying prorogation being declared unlawful is an attempt to stop Brexit. Much lolling. |
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Sept 24, 2019 14:33:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by wardance on Sept 24, 2019 14:33:50 GMT 1, Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Sept 24, 2019 14:52:19 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Sept 24, 2019 14:52:19 GMT 1, And they called the EU undemocratic 😉
And they called the EU undemocratic 😉
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Sept 24, 2019 18:42:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by kfroms on Sept 24, 2019 18:42:35 GMT 1, Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically.
Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically.
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Sept 24, 2019 19:00:05 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Sept 24, 2019 19:00:05 GMT 1, Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically.
Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically. Bognor!!! She better bloody not be, i can walk there from here! |
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Sept 24, 2019 21:47:51 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Sept 24, 2019 21:47:51 GMT 1, Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically.
Meanwhile, Theresa M is sitting in her Holiday Caravan in Bognor, drinking Snake Bite and laughing hysterically. |
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Brexit, by ADC on Sept 24, 2019 21:55:16 GMT 1, Haha great choice of example is Bognor!
I live about 15 minutes away and it is a shit hole 😂
Haha great choice of example is Bognor!
I live about 15 minutes away and it is a shit hole 😂
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Brexit, by dogstar on Sept 25, 2019 11:57:21 GMT 1,
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
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Sept 25, 2019 12:56:02 GMT 1
Brexit, by ferg on Sept 25, 2019 12:56:02 GMT 1, It will be very interesting when he holds the balance of power after the next General Election
It will be very interesting when he holds the balance of power after the next General Election
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Brexit, by Masong on Sept 25, 2019 15:56:11 GMT 1,
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen!
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen! |
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Sept 25, 2019 16:06:25 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Sept 25, 2019 16:06:25 GMT 1,
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen!
You may end up a little disappointed to say the very least.
CALLER: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”
FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”
CALLER: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”
What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen! Whatever you do, dont let the rest of yesterday filter through. You may end up a little disappointed to say the very least. |
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Brexit, by Masong on Sept 25, 2019 16:11:13 GMT 1, What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen! Whatever you do, dont let the rest of yesterday filter through. You may end up a little disappointed to say the very least.
Still find it hilarious that you voted leave x
What a momentous day yesterday truly was... The discovery of a remoaner with sense of humour. Amen! Whatever you do, dont let the rest of yesterday filter through. You may end up a little disappointed to say the very least. Still find it hilarious that you voted leave x |
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