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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Octopus UK on Jun 10, 2017 19:22:49 GMT 1, For the few, not the many Or For the many, not the few The Many seemed to have voted Conservative. The Many (58%) appear to of NOT voted Tory.
For the few, not the many Or For the many, not the few The Many seemed to have voted Conservative. The Many (58%) appear to of NOT voted Tory.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 19:23:07 GMT 1, Yes,may has a minority government. But this was a disaster for her and the torys. Happy days. I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion.
It's not ideal, but hardly a "disaster". A disaster is Stormont, where there's no governance at all or even more extreme nations such as Libya or Afghanistan. In comparison, Britain's democratic function is doing just fine and will get through this.
Yes,may has a minority government. But this was a disaster for her and the torys. Happy days. I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion. It's not ideal, but hardly a "disaster". A disaster is Stormont, where there's no governance at all or even more extreme nations such as Libya or Afghanistan. In comparison, Britain's democratic function is doing just fine and will get through this.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Octopus UK on Jun 10, 2017 19:24:39 GMT 1, The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens. For racist, bigoted, transphobes I offer you, as an example, the DUP.
The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens. For racist, bigoted, transphobes I offer you, as an example, the DUP.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Coach on Jun 10, 2017 19:31:14 GMT 1, The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens.
Also not true. Being disappointed by a result does not mean not accepting it. Suggesting that the result was not a great success for the torys does not mean not accepting it. Questioning the ethics of their new partners does not mean not accepting it. I am left wing. I love democracy. I accept the result. I think it's those on the right that need to calm down a little, stop trying to cause arguments and above all quit the hyperbole.
The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens. Also not true. Being disappointed by a result does not mean not accepting it. Suggesting that the result was not a great success for the torys does not mean not accepting it. Questioning the ethics of their new partners does not mean not accepting it. I am left wing. I love democracy. I accept the result. I think it's those on the right that need to calm down a little, stop trying to cause arguments and above all quit the hyperbole.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Coach on Jun 10, 2017 19:36:51 GMT 1, I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion. Yes, the idea was that she wanted the country as a whole to back her going into the EU negotiations, regardless of their normal political party beliefs.
Honestly, that just wasn't the idea. The idea was that she thought labour were in disarray, that Corbyn didn't stand a chance, that she was over 20 points ahead in opinion polls, and so she could increase her majority prior to the negotiations, thereby putting any Tory MPs who questioned her tactics in their place, and so she could tell the eu negotiators that she had the backing of the people. She did not, however, expect people to set aside party politics in this election. It was an opportunist move, that backfired. And yes, I accept she has formed a minority government and that she is the PM, that her party got the most votes, and the lost mp's.
I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion. Yes, the idea was that she wanted the country as a whole to back her going into the EU negotiations, regardless of their normal political party beliefs. Honestly, that just wasn't the idea. The idea was that she thought labour were in disarray, that Corbyn didn't stand a chance, that she was over 20 points ahead in opinion polls, and so she could increase her majority prior to the negotiations, thereby putting any Tory MPs who questioned her tactics in their place, and so she could tell the eu negotiators that she had the backing of the people. She did not, however, expect people to set aside party politics in this election. It was an opportunist move, that backfired. And yes, I accept she has formed a minority government and that she is the PM, that her party got the most votes, and the lost mp's.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by doyle on Jun 10, 2017 20:04:49 GMT 1, In Question Time last night it was mentioned that you have to look at the result in terms of ones expectations. Mays expectations were high and positive, they expected an overwhelming win based on previous polls and instead they realised they did not have the support they expected. i would say part of their expectation would be to not lose seats and to not need to form a link with dup, so they have failed in that respect even though total seats and total votes were more than labour. On the other hand, you have to hand it to Corbyn for his resilience. The press hated him, his own members resigned against him, he was constantly criticised & accused of being a terrorist sympathiser, and no wonder he is now smiling. Imagine feeling like the whole world is against you because you are not a showy politician, just policies. It was amusing to see Tom Watson sing his praises for him last night, all his backstabbers are suddenly supporting Corbyn. Interesting to see how this folds out.
Also our current neutral broker role now in NI will be harder to maintain if the link with DUP and tories goes ahead affecting the political stability there.
In Question Time last night it was mentioned that you have to look at the result in terms of ones expectations. Mays expectations were high and positive, they expected an overwhelming win based on previous polls and instead they realised they did not have the support they expected. i would say part of their expectation would be to not lose seats and to not need to form a link with dup, so they have failed in that respect even though total seats and total votes were more than labour. On the other hand, you have to hand it to Corbyn for his resilience. The press hated him, his own members resigned against him, he was constantly criticised & accused of being a terrorist sympathiser, and no wonder he is now smiling. Imagine feeling like the whole world is against you because you are not a showy politician, just policies. It was amusing to see Tom Watson sing his praises for him last night, all his backstabbers are suddenly supporting Corbyn. Interesting to see how this folds out.
Also our current neutral broker role now in NI will be harder to maintain if the link with DUP and tories goes ahead affecting the political stability there.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Daniel Silk on Jun 10, 2017 20:17:01 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal.
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Coach on Jun 10, 2017 20:34:25 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal.
Are you suggesting that as a life long labour voter, I should this time have voted Tory?
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Are you suggesting that as a life long labour voter, I should this time have voted Tory?
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Stoko on Jun 10, 2017 20:34:48 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. What May thinks is best for us is not my idea of what is best for us. Are you really saying we should blindly support her so she can do what she wants, or do you think by having a genuine opposition to her party and policies would result in a more balanced Brexit that the majority of the country want?
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. What May thinks is best for us is not my idea of what is best for us. Are you really saying we should blindly support her so she can do what she wants, or do you think by having a genuine opposition to her party and policies would result in a more balanced Brexit that the majority of the country want?
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by mutatis on Jun 10, 2017 20:35:45 GMT 1, I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion. It's not ideal, but hardly a "disaster". A disaster is Stormont, where there's no governance at all or even more extreme nations such as Libya or Afghanistan. In comparison, Britain's democratic function is doing just fine and will get through this. I'm not talking about Britain's "democaratic function" whatever that is and you can't seriously compare our form of democracy with that in Libya or Afghanistan anyway.
What, I'm talking about is the wider ramifications of the result from a non-partisan point of view, not any constitutional issue or whatever you think I was talking about. Stormont is one of the reasons why I term the election result a "disaster". If the Tories had secured a majority they would not have needed the DUP to prop them up. I really don't think the fact that the DUP are propping up the Government is going to encourge a settlement to be reached and the ramifications thereafter I dread to imagine. Furthermore there will be tensions over Brexit and the DUP demands. The very fact that the Government was desperate enough to enter into an arrangement with the DUP when this has previously been avoided by previous Governments (John Major comes to mind) for obvious reasons, underlies my point.
With Brexit negotiations starting the week after next the election result is hardly morale-boosting and I for one have been totally uninspired by May's performance and leadership. Other than self-serving reasons there was no justification for calling this election. I have no confidence in David Davis, Liam Fox and the other exhumed MPs in whose hands our fate outside of the EU largely lies. In fact I would dare to suggest that May has weakened her position and therefore ours as a nation.
I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to when you say Britain will get through this - if you are referring to the election - of course we will. Only time will tell how much of a setback to the nation as a whole this unnecessary election gamble was.
I think it would be fair to say that the result was a disaster for the country as a whole, regardless of political persuasion. It's not ideal, but hardly a "disaster". A disaster is Stormont, where there's no governance at all or even more extreme nations such as Libya or Afghanistan. In comparison, Britain's democratic function is doing just fine and will get through this. I'm not talking about Britain's "democaratic function" whatever that is and you can't seriously compare our form of democracy with that in Libya or Afghanistan anyway. What, I'm talking about is the wider ramifications of the result from a non-partisan point of view, not any constitutional issue or whatever you think I was talking about. Stormont is one of the reasons why I term the election result a "disaster". If the Tories had secured a majority they would not have needed the DUP to prop them up. I really don't think the fact that the DUP are propping up the Government is going to encourge a settlement to be reached and the ramifications thereafter I dread to imagine. Furthermore there will be tensions over Brexit and the DUP demands. The very fact that the Government was desperate enough to enter into an arrangement with the DUP when this has previously been avoided by previous Governments (John Major comes to mind) for obvious reasons, underlies my point. With Brexit negotiations starting the week after next the election result is hardly morale-boosting and I for one have been totally uninspired by May's performance and leadership. Other than self-serving reasons there was no justification for calling this election. I have no confidence in David Davis, Liam Fox and the other exhumed MPs in whose hands our fate outside of the EU largely lies. In fact I would dare to suggest that May has weakened her position and therefore ours as a nation. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to when you say Britain will get through this - if you are referring to the election - of course we will. Only time will tell how much of a setback to the nation as a whole this unnecessary election gamble was.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Octopus UK on Jun 10, 2017 20:36:01 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Yes, I agree with you that this was a very bad judgement call here by Theresa.
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Yes, I agree with you that this was a very bad judgement call here by Theresa.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 23:22:04 GMT 1, whats wrong with peaceful protest. all those far left fascists do is prevent the protest from being taken seriously with their antics. So not on the side of the protestors or democracy. It's just not true. I could find someone to say (or write an article online) that the earth is flat. Doesn't make it true. Don't believe everything you read. You need a common sense filter. I support the left. I don't support the far left.
I support peaceful demonstrations and I also believe the people have the right to impeach or overthrow a government whose leaders are acting against the people and the country.
whats wrong with peaceful protest. all those far left fascists do is prevent the protest from being taken seriously with their antics. So not on the side of the protestors or democracy. It's just not true. I could find someone to say (or write an article online) that the earth is flat. Doesn't make it true. Don't believe everything you read. You need a common sense filter. I support the left. I don't support the far left. I support peaceful demonstrations and I also believe the people have the right to impeach or overthrow a government whose leaders are acting against the people and the country.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 23:28:03 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Theresa May had a mandate to negotiate Brexit.
I for one could not see how she was going to negotiate with the EU.
Wouldn't she have to first publish beforehand or disclose in parliament everything that would be negotiated and the deal the government or Tories were seeking from the EU before going ahead and negotiation. Which would eb pointless as all those EU spies would then know the strength of the UK's negotiating position.
If on the other hand she sends some people to negotiate on behalf of the UK it will be a lot of meetings and middle men or people exchanging messages without a good deal for the UK.
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Theresa May had a mandate to negotiate Brexit. I for one could not see how she was going to negotiate with the EU. Wouldn't she have to first publish beforehand or disclose in parliament everything that would be negotiated and the deal the government or Tories were seeking from the EU before going ahead and negotiation. Which would eb pointless as all those EU spies would then know the strength of the UK's negotiating position. If on the other hand she sends some people to negotiate on behalf of the UK it will be a lot of meetings and middle men or people exchanging messages without a good deal for the UK.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 23:33:26 GMT 1, Dementia tax lost the Tories seats.
Ending student fees gained Labour votes.
It's certainly a slap down for the Tories and made them realise most people do not have trust funds or millions in the bank.
If Boris Johnson is elected leader of teh Tory party, it will be another non elected prime minister.
That will definately turn the Tory party into a joke party.
Dementia tax lost the Tories seats.
Ending student fees gained Labour votes.
It's certainly a slap down for the Tories and made them realise most people do not have trust funds or millions in the bank.
If Boris Johnson is elected leader of teh Tory party, it will be another non elected prime minister.
That will definately turn the Tory party into a joke party.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Viking Surfer on Jun 11, 2017 7:03:18 GMT 1, www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-39628713I'm surprised there were no leaks regarding her plans for a general election. Well done for keeping it under wraps, but a smart move all round for TM I think.
What an idiotic comment this poster made.
www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-39628713I'm surprised there were no leaks regarding her plans for a general election. Well done for keeping it under wraps, but a smart move all round for TM I think. What an idiotic comment this poster made.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Octopus UK on Jun 11, 2017 8:05:55 GMT 1, www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-39628713I'm surprised there were no leaks regarding her plans for a general election. Well done for keeping it under wraps, but a smart move all round for TM I think. What an idiotic comment this poster made. What a fool!
www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-39628713I'm surprised there were no leaks regarding her plans for a general election. Well done for keeping it under wraps, but a smart move all round for TM I think. What an idiotic comment this poster made. What a fool!
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 8:49:59 GMT 1, I'm looking forward to seeing how far Corbyn can take this polifarce. He says he will go all the way and vote against the forming of the new government.
I'm looking forward to seeing how far Corbyn can take this polifarce. He says he will go all the way and vote against the forming of the new government.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on Jun 11, 2017 10:41:18 GMT 1, So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Its ego Dan. it got control of her and she thought she could do as she pleased and seize more power. She decided she could do things her way and everyone would just fall into line. ive seen ego destroy a few good things recently.
The idea that people would follow anyone as hated as May to get a "result" from Brexit is madness! how on earth could anyone think that was going to happen? and thats before you consider she ran around saying "no deal is better than a bad deal" was just a great way to let everyone know she had no decent plan and no faith in her ability to get ANY deal. Even ignoring my bias here, there is no way on earth i would follow anyone spewing such blatant stupidity!! and yes, that includes Corbyn!! it would be pointless! and to play that game against someone with so much support, even against all the best efforts the haters made was utterly unthinkable! It shows really really bad decision making all round.
So basically by not giving Teresa May the backing going into the EU negotiations, its weaken her and the country's opportunities in those negotiations, meaning we could possibly end up with a bad or no deal, rather than a good deal. Its ego Dan. it got control of her and she thought she could do as she pleased and seize more power. She decided she could do things her way and everyone would just fall into line. ive seen ego destroy a few good things recently. The idea that people would follow anyone as hated as May to get a "result" from Brexit is madness! how on earth could anyone think that was going to happen? and thats before you consider she ran around saying "no deal is better than a bad deal" was just a great way to let everyone know she had no decent plan and no faith in her ability to get ANY deal. Even ignoring my bias here, there is no way on earth i would follow anyone spewing such blatant stupidity!! and yes, that includes Corbyn!! it would be pointless! and to play that game against someone with so much support, even against all the best efforts the haters made was utterly unthinkable! It shows really really bad decision making all round.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on Jun 11, 2017 10:46:52 GMT 1,
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 13:12:07 GMT 1, Dementia tax lost the Tories seats. Ending student fees gained Labour votes. It's certainly a slap down for the Tories and made them realise most people do not have trust funds or millions in the bank. If Boris Johnson is elected leader of teh Tory party, it will be another non elected prime minister. That will definately turn the Tory party into a joke party.
Ploppi RE your last sentence, you speak as if this has still to happen. A party that was sitting in government that can pretty much do as the please decides to call a snap election surprising half the cabinet, now in turmoil, has to go cap in hand to the DUP to get anything done, how much bigger can the joke get ?
Dementia tax lost the Tories seats. Ending student fees gained Labour votes. It's certainly a slap down for the Tories and made them realise most people do not have trust funds or millions in the bank. If Boris Johnson is elected leader of teh Tory party, it will be another non elected prime minister. That will definately turn the Tory party into a joke party. Ploppi RE your last sentence, you speak as if this has still to happen. A party that was sitting in government that can pretty much do as the please decides to call a snap election surprising half the cabinet, now in turmoil, has to go cap in hand to the DUP to get anything done, how much bigger can the joke get ?
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Pysgod on Jun 11, 2017 20:23:29 GMT 1,
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by searchandrescue on Jun 12, 2017 0:03:59 GMT 1, thanks Doyle, have just found out it in another place, it couldn't be shown "due to the nature of the image"
Thanks to all, now at least we understand better what we're up against!
thanks Doyle, have just found out it in another place, it couldn't be shown "due to the nature of the image"
Thanks to all, now at least we understand better what we're up against!
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 0:18:43 GMT 1,
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Coach on Jun 12, 2017 0:44:32 GMT 1,
Hilarious.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Happy Shopper on Jun 12, 2017 11:48:13 GMT 1, The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? If you check the stats on Page 8 you'll see more people voted for left wing parties than right. Conservatives are only the largest party not the majority, which is their whole problem.
They can gain a majority of seats by teaming with the DUP, but that's still not the majority of the electorate, so they can no longer claim to have a "mandate from the people", which is what we've been told for 6 months.
They've made a total mess, and completely misjudged the will of the people.
The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? If you check the stats on Page 8 you'll see more people voted for left wing parties than right. Conservatives are only the largest party not the majority, which is their whole problem. They can gain a majority of seats by teaming with the DUP, but that's still not the majority of the electorate, so they can no longer claim to have a "mandate from the people", which is what we've been told for 6 months. They've made a total mess, and completely misjudged the will of the people.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Daniel Silk on Jun 12, 2017 13:13:31 GMT 1, The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? If you check the stats on Page 8 you'll see more people voted for left wing parties than right. Conservatives are only the largest party not the majority, which is their whole problem. They can gain a majority of seats by teaming with the DUP, but that's still not the majority of the electorate, so they can no longer claim to have a "mandate from the people", which is what we've been told for 6 months. They've made a total mess, and completely misjudged the will of the people. Problem is that if all of those "left wing parties" joined in a coalition, I think many of their voters would actually disagree with the joint beliefs of those parties. It's only fair if you held another election with people having the simple choice between two different coalitions.
The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? If you check the stats on Page 8 you'll see more people voted for left wing parties than right. Conservatives are only the largest party not the majority, which is their whole problem. They can gain a majority of seats by teaming with the DUP, but that's still not the majority of the electorate, so they can no longer claim to have a "mandate from the people", which is what we've been told for 6 months. They've made a total mess, and completely misjudged the will of the people. Problem is that if all of those "left wing parties" joined in a coalition, I think many of their voters would actually disagree with the joint beliefs of those parties. It's only fair if you held another election with people having the simple choice between two different coalitions.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Bill Hicks on Jun 12, 2017 13:20:55 GMT 1, Queen's speech 'DELAYED by Theresa May amid election disaster fallout'
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 13:33:44 GMT 1, The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens. For racist, bigoted, transphobes I offer you, as an example, the DUP. add "Renewable Heat Incentive scandal" to that list.
The left only likes democracy when they win and/or get their way in every regard possible. Lose a democratic election where the majority of people votes against them? There will be petitions. There will be protests. There will be riots. Lose an argument over facts and logic? They will call you a racist, fascist, bigot, transfobe, and all of their fancy hype words to still try to get their way and to be able to tell themselves that they actually won the argument.It's so weird to watch every time this happens. For racist, bigoted, transphobes I offer you, as an example, the DUP. add "Renewable Heat Incentive scandal" to that list.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Happy Shopper on Jun 12, 2017 13:41:24 GMT 1, Problem is that if all of those "left wing parties" joined in a coalition, I think many of their voters would actually disagree with the joint beliefs of those parties. It's only fair if you held another election with people having the simple choice between two different coalitions. There's probably the same breadth of opinion even within the conservative party, over Brexit, Scotland, the environment. The left just seem to have founded new Parties for these issues and split their votes.
Problem is that if all of those "left wing parties" joined in a coalition, I think many of their voters would actually disagree with the joint beliefs of those parties. It's only fair if you held another election with people having the simple choice between two different coalitions. There's probably the same breadth of opinion even within the conservative party, over Brexit, Scotland, the environment. The left just seem to have founded new Parties for these issues and split their votes.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by wardance on Jun 12, 2017 14:12:10 GMT 1, There's some blinkered Tory supporting idiots on here.
This mess the country is currently facing is purely and simply a result of out-and-out Tory incompetence. Countries will always have a difference of opinion within their poulation. It is the job of Govts to manage these to ensure stability. This clearly has not happened, and looks likely to cause problems for some time to come.
Cameron f***ed up in the way the EU referendum was run. He then ran away.
May tookover, and has created even more of a mess. And now they're having to call on support of the DUP - a bunch of crazed idiots who's only existence is due to entrenched beliefs from a bygone era.
She is out of her depth, and will not last.
Gove comes back in, possibly due to Murdoch pulling strings. Gove ffs!!! Think about that for a minute.....the owner of a media empire telling a PM who to employ?
Boris Johnson is a comedy figure, who does nothing but lie. This buffoon cannot be PM. He is not mature enough.
I admire the self-discipline of the British public because this shambolic bunch of public-school educated amateurs are f***in' clueless and should be removed from office immediately. This mess is of their creation; they cannot blame anyone else.
The last desperate flag-waving of an empire ( and party ) trying to cling-on to its past.
( But it is f***in' funny! )
There's some blinkered Tory supporting idiots on here. This mess the country is currently facing is purely and simply a result of out-and-out Tory incompetence. Countries will always have a difference of opinion within their poulation. It is the job of Govts to manage these to ensure stability. This clearly has not happened, and looks likely to cause problems for some time to come. Cameron f***ed up in the way the EU referendum was run. He then ran away. May tookover, and has created even more of a mess. And now they're having to call on support of the DUP - a bunch of crazed idiots who's only existence is due to entrenched beliefs from a bygone era. She is out of her depth, and will not last. Gove comes back in, possibly due to Murdoch pulling strings. Gove ffs!!! Think about that for a minute.....the owner of a media empire telling a PM who to employ? Boris Johnson is a comedy figure, who does nothing but lie. This buffoon cannot be PM. He is not mature enough. I admire the self-discipline of the British public because this shambolic bunch of public-school educated amateurs are f***in' clueless and should be removed from office immediately. This mess is of their creation; they cannot blame anyone else. The last desperate flag-waving of an empire ( and party ) trying to cling-on to its past. ( But it is f***in' funny! )
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