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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 30, 2018 19:04:38 GMT 1, Do you pose the same question to gp? Prove there is only 10% extra printed? Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed? You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other? The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ? No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented. Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails? Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ? People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be , Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public. I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. [
Shady, copying gp terminology now His reputation is not going to be broken on 1 forum member posts ?remember they have an international market and shows all over the world He has a strong loyal following and as shown by you Your right up there. If any thing is unnumbered but is supposed to be limited of course some people will question as there is no reference ?
Imagine if for example these artists got really popular and you had a similar back door issue like banksy had in the past? Robert maxwell was a praised businessman yet corrupt just because you own a business does not mean all is legitimate
If you read back posts I am asking questions One point is if knew pp aps test press were released later I would not have bought earlier on secondary market This business concept of releasing other editions in the format of aps test press etc information was not released on the first few releases .
Do you pose the same question to gp? Prove there is only 10% extra printed? Have you seen the spreadsheet they have of all allocated numbers printed? You except being told something without evidence from one side but not the other? The same principles should be applied to both parties debating numbers printed ? Provide evidence from both ? No motivation , part of a discussion on a public forum , expressing my thoughts , not implying that I am right just my individual thoughts on this subject as part of a discussion There have been plenty of other threads debating this issue with harsher comments then I have presented. Being on the forum compared to trawling through private emails is time consuming and not appropriate to post private emails? Collectors are aware of the situation so I am not making them aware or trying to , at this point people are just asking questions ? People can make there own assumptions from information here and if interested can gather info from loads of past threads and past shows from the internet if need be , Points so far gathered from others from this thread it is common standard practice to print numbers on printers proofs Test proofs are unnumbered but generally not sold to the public. I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. [ Shady, copying gp terminology now His reputation is not going to be broken on 1 forum member posts ?remember they have an international market and shows all over the world He has a strong loyal following and as shown by you Your right up there. If any thing is unnumbered but is supposed to be limited of course some people will question as there is no reference ? Imagine if for example these artists got really popular and you had a similar back door issue like banksy had in the past? Robert maxwell was a praised businessman yet corrupt just because you own a business does not mean all is legitimate If you read back posts I am asking questions One point is if knew pp aps test press were released later I would not have bought earlier on secondary market This business concept of releasing other editions in the format of aps test press etc information was not released on the first few releases .
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 19:26:59 GMT 1, I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. [ Shady, copying gp terminology now His reputation is not going to be broken on 1 forum member posts ?remember they have an international market and shows all over the world He has a strong loyal following and as shown by you Your right up there. If any thing is unnumbered but is supposed to be limited of course some people will question as there is no reference ? Imagine if for example these artists got really popular and you had a similar back door issue like banksy had in the past? Robert maxwell was a praised businessman yet corrupt just because you own a business does not mean all is legitimate If you read back posts I am asking questions One point is if knew pp aps test press were released later I would not have bought earlier on secondary market This business concept of releasing other editions in the format of aps test press etc information was not released on the first few releases .
You clearly don't seem to be reading my post.
I am not a loyal follower of GP. I clearly stated I would be on your side when you post the proof exposing him. Please post the proof.
I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. [ Shady, copying gp terminology now His reputation is not going to be broken on 1 forum member posts ?remember they have an international market and shows all over the world He has a strong loyal following and as shown by you Your right up there. If any thing is unnumbered but is supposed to be limited of course some people will question as there is no reference ? Imagine if for example these artists got really popular and you had a similar back door issue like banksy had in the past? Robert maxwell was a praised businessman yet corrupt just because you own a business does not mean all is legitimate If you read back posts I am asking questions One point is if knew pp aps test press were released later I would not have bought earlier on secondary market This business concept of releasing other editions in the format of aps test press etc information was not released on the first few releases . You clearly don't seem to be reading my post. I am not a loyal follower of GP. I clearly stated I would be on your side when you post the proof exposing him. Please post the proof.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 19:29:59 GMT 1, Fecksake, I might miss the darts again !
Fecksake, I might miss the darts again !
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by mojo on Dec 30, 2018 20:39:19 GMT 1, Fecksake, I might miss the darts again ! It's a considerable gamble
Fecksake, I might miss the darts again ! It's a considerable gamble
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 21:51:40 GMT 1, Would never gamble fhat beauty box or garden furniture, even if Bullys Special Prize was a speedboat.
Would never gamble fhat beauty box or garden furniture, even if Bullys Special Prize was a speedboat.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 30, 2018 23:06:48 GMT 1, Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp?
Ok so why number regular prints then?
Explain how it is unlimited to not number AP/pp? Ok so why number regular prints then?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 30, 2018 23:10:04 GMT 1, I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP.
It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying.
I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 23:15:52 GMT 1, I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying.
Unless you can prove quantity for every print you've ever purchased then you are a sucker too.
I'll wait...
I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying. Unless you can prove quantity for every print you've ever purchased then you are a sucker too. I'll wait...
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 23:28:23 GMT 1, I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying.
Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect.
I don't need proof from GP. They've stated they business practice and just like every other printer or artist in the world I choose to accept it. You are the one slinging accusations. Heavy accusations. You say you have proof but won't post it. That's quite shady. Now you say it's just your opinion. Doesn't seem like you have any proof and seems like all you want to do is sling insults to danage GP reputation. I'll clearly state it. I have no side in this. If you provide clear proof like you say you have then I will be on your side and it will be up to GP to explain. But for the amount of times you've posted there is nothing that warrants me to question GP. It's great that you don't need proof and have accepted that you'll never know how many extra prints there are. You're a sucker. People who do care and spend 1k on these sales should know what they're actually buying. Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 30, 2018 23:50:46 GMT 1, Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect.
Baller. And in regards to the question you keep asking above, I can't prove it but guess what can be proven? GP letting us know how many printer proofs are in existence with Artist proofs in THEIR thread
Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect. Baller. And in regards to the question you keep asking above, I can't prove it but guess what can be proven? GP letting us know how many printer proofs are in existence with Artist proofs in THEIR thread
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 30, 2018 23:53:00 GMT 1, Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect. Baller. And in regards to the question you keep asking above, I can't prove it but guess what can be proven? GP letting us know how many printer proofs are in existence with Artist proofs in THEIR thread
This isn't their thread.
Do you ask this of every where you buy art?
Oh and I don't buy my art cause it's limited. So I get exactly what I expect. Baller. And in regards to the question you keep asking above, I can't prove it but guess what can be proven? GP letting us know how many printer proofs are in existence with Artist proofs in THEIR thread This isn't their thread. Do you ask this of every where you buy art?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 1:03:35 GMT 1, This isn't their thread. Do you ask this of every where you buy art?
This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care.
This isn't their thread. Do you ask this of every where you buy art? This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 1:15:26 GMT 1, This isn't their thread. Do you ask this of every where you buy art? This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care.
Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share.
I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy...
This isn't their thread. Do you ask this of every where you buy art? This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care. Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share. I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy...
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 1:26:01 GMT 1, This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care. Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share. I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy...
Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't.
This isn't the "Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today" thread where I'm asking Graffiti Prints how many printer proofs and artist proof editions are there? And no because I know what I buy. Unlike yourself, I care. Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share. I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy... Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 1:50:30 GMT 1, Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share. I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy... Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't.
Lol. GP has stated the max number.
So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you?
Okay prove it. If you know what you buy it should be quite easy for you to share. I mean that's what you are asking GP to do and claiming it's so easy... Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't. Lol. GP has stated the max number. So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 3:14:20 GMT 1, Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't. Lol. GP has stated the max number. So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you?
GP has stated a loose percentage. Every artist I've purchased from is a numbered regular edition or a numbered ap edition. If there are artists out there that don't do this, then I'm not sure who they are and they don't publicly sell them at vault sales. Either way, as you mentioned, my questions don't relate to you and to others that do care about the process.
Yes it's very easy for GP to say how many were printed but he isn't. Lol. GP has stated the max number. So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you? GP has stated a loose percentage. Every artist I've purchased from is a numbered regular edition or a numbered ap edition. If there are artists out there that don't do this, then I'm not sure who they are and they don't publicly sell them at vault sales. Either way, as you mentioned, my questions don't relate to you and to others that do care about the process.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 3:38:31 GMT 1, Lol. GP has stated the max number. So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you? GP has stated a loose percentage. Every artist I've purchased from is a numbered regular edition or a numbered ap edition. If there are artists out there that don't do this, then I'm not sure who they are and they don't publicly sell them at vault sales. Either way, as you mentioned, my questions don't relate to you and to others that do care about the process.
How do you know there aren't unnumbered copies of your numbered prints?
Never said I don't care. To make the record clear
Lol. GP has stated the max number. So Share with us how easy it was to obtain this information for every print you've purchased. Why won't you? GP has stated a loose percentage. Every artist I've purchased from is a numbered regular edition or a numbered ap edition. If there are artists out there that don't do this, then I'm not sure who they are and they don't publicly sell them at vault sales. Either way, as you mentioned, my questions don't relate to you and to others that do care about the process. How do you know there aren't unnumbered copies of your numbered prints? Never said I don't care. To make the record clear
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Riotcops on Dec 31, 2018 12:48:35 GMT 1, This has been an interesting one to read along. I clearly see both sides of the argument. Do I think GP are printing and selling more than they should in terms of PP or AP - no!
However, I don't see why they aren't numbered? Its not difficult and would put all this to bed. Any PP or AP I do own is numbered.
Just off hand I can say any Kaws portfolio is numbered XX/100 regular edition, XX/10 AP and X/5 PP. It is pretty simple in those regards and we all know how many are out there.
I am one of those collectors spoken of who searches out prints outside the regular edition, but as they usually carry an extra cost I do prefer them to be numbered as confirmation of the smaller pool of the total edition run.
This has been an interesting one to read along. I clearly see both sides of the argument. Do I think GP are printing and selling more than they should in terms of PP or AP - no!
However, I don't see why they aren't numbered? Its not difficult and would put all this to bed. Any PP or AP I do own is numbered.
Just off hand I can say any Kaws portfolio is numbered XX/100 regular edition, XX/10 AP and X/5 PP. It is pretty simple in those regards and we all know how many are out there.
I am one of those collectors spoken of who searches out prints outside the regular edition, but as they usually carry an extra cost I do prefer them to be numbered as confirmation of the smaller pool of the total edition run.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 13:11:09 GMT 1, Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there.
Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Chris JL on Dec 31, 2018 13:50:39 GMT 1, In defence of Graffiti Prints (albeit I donโt think they need to have one, since they have been doing a terrific job): the only (I think) p/p Iโve got from them (a Martin Whatson) is numbered on the COA as 1/1. Hence, I find it quite unlikely that they make tons of them... Besides, having A/Ps and P/Ps unnumbered is quite common. And thatโs ok as long as the source is reputable, and Graffiti Prints definitively is.
In defence of Graffiti Prints (albeit I donโt think they need to have one, since they have been doing a terrific job): the only (I think) p/p Iโve got from them (a Martin Whatson) is numbered on the COA as 1/1. Hence, I find it quite unlikely that they make tons of them... Besides, having A/Ps and P/Ps unnumbered is quite common. And thatโs ok as long as the source is reputable, and Graffiti Prints definitively is.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 13:53:36 GMT 1, Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there.
Only the gallery master printer would have the master screens so if this was the case it would be outside of the regular edition and Of aps and pps that are signed and numbered and would come with out accompanying certificate This would be unethical of the printers and would have no value as would be printed out of the set edition and if came to light would harm the artists career unless they are back door banksy prints! Being unnumbered enters potential errors to be made. A damaged print could be replaced then the damage print be fixed and put back on the market creating extra prints etc.if the artist became highly collectible and valuable later it would be easy to fake etc . Pow released duplicate numbered editions for example even though they had been numbered so mistakes happen But easier to rectify with a numbering system.
Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. Only the gallery master printer would have the master screens so if this was the case it would be outside of the regular edition and Of aps and pps that are signed and numbered and would come with out accompanying certificate This would be unethical of the printers and would have no value as would be printed out of the set edition and if came to light would harm the artists career unless they are back door banksy prints! Being unnumbered enters potential errors to be made. A damaged print could be replaced then the damage print be fixed and put back on the market creating extra prints etc.if the artist became highly collectible and valuable later it would be easy to fake etc . Pow released duplicate numbered editions for example even though they had been numbered so mistakes happen But easier to rectify with a numbering system.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 14:00:32 GMT 1, Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there.
You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number.
Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 14:03:37 GMT 1, Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number.
Oh so now it's about trust.
You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค
Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector.
Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number. Oh so now it's about trust. You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 14:06:12 GMT 1, Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. Only the gallery master printer would have the master screens so if this was the case it would be outside of the regular edition and Of aps and pps that are signed and numbered and would come with out accompanying certificate This would be unethical of the printers and would have no value as would be printed out of the set edition and if came to light would harm the artists career unless they are back door banksy prints! Being unnumbered enters potential errors to be made. A damaged print could be replaced then the damage print be fixed and put back on the market creating extra prints etc.if the artist became highly collectible and valuable later it would be easy to fake etc . Pow released duplicate numbered editions for example even though they had been numbered so mistakes happen But easier to rectify with a numbering system.
Sure to all this.
But this lends the question. How do you know they aren't out there. Even if the printer never intends to sell the extras and only had blank ones as replacements for damage does that mean it doesn't exist?
Here's the thing just because the ap or pp are numbered how do you know there aren't more unnumbered copies out there. Only the gallery master printer would have the master screens so if this was the case it would be outside of the regular edition and Of aps and pps that are signed and numbered and would come with out accompanying certificate This would be unethical of the printers and would have no value as would be printed out of the set edition and if came to light would harm the artists career unless they are back door banksy prints! Being unnumbered enters potential errors to be made. A damaged print could be replaced then the damage print be fixed and put back on the market creating extra prints etc.if the artist became highly collectible and valuable later it would be easy to fake etc . Pow released duplicate numbered editions for example even though they had been numbered so mistakes happen But easier to rectify with a numbering system. Sure to all this. But this lends the question. How do you know they aren't out there. Even if the printer never intends to sell the extras and only had blank ones as replacements for damage does that mean it doesn't exist?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 14:34:27 GMT 1, Another questionย Why are questions not allowed? I guess you have no interest in a discussion. Just say it then. Art history is all about questions so I'm not sure why so many get offended. Questions lead to discussion.
There will be no ending to questions but discussion can lead to understanding why different points of view are made People that have numbered prints and certificates are fine and secure , paper trail to confirm , unnumbered in the future can create headaches all you need is a disgruntled printer to print extra copies , only counts if the artists are collectible in the future i.e. Of value But releasing prints at source for ยฃ1000 I personally would want a bit of regulation and mind of safe guards a lot of money for a print . So it would not be down to the gallery to create issues or be unethical , many galleries outsource printing to other specific print companies where extras could be produced and released onto the market and if no numbering system easy to hide a lot of new people to the scene would be tempted to buy these if listed discounted to the real Editions as know no better
How many print shops actually print their own prints ?
So yes extras could be out there for any artist but I never buy unnumbered prints without certificates now. Learning curve , when first get into this hobby people almost but everything
Another questionย Why are questions not allowed? I guess you have no interest in a discussion. Just say it then. Art history is all about questions so I'm not sure why so many get offended. Questions lead to discussion. There will be no ending to questions but discussion can lead to understanding why different points of view are made People that have numbered prints and certificates are fine and secure , paper trail to confirm , unnumbered in the future can create headaches all you need is a disgruntled printer to print extra copies , only counts if the artists are collectible in the future i.e. Of value But releasing prints at source for ยฃ1000 I personally would want a bit of regulation and mind of safe guards a lot of money for a print . So it would not be down to the gallery to create issues or be unethical , many galleries outsource printing to other specific print companies where extras could be produced and released onto the market and if no numbering system easy to hide a lot of new people to the scene would be tempted to buy these if listed discounted to the real Editions as know no better How many print shops actually print their own prints ? So yes extras could be out there for any artist but I never buy unnumbered prints without certificates now. Learning curve , when first get into this hobby people almost but everything
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 15:01:44 GMT 1, Rest day at the darts today.
Rest day at the darts today.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 15:07:11 GMT 1, Rest day at the darts today. www.liveleak.com/view?t=sqaTp_1524617077
Not for some !
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 17:00:59 GMT 1, You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number. Oh so now it's about trust. You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector.
After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth.
Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps.
You keep asking this baited question. The only answer to this is that I personally trust an artist that numbers all editions (regular, aps,pps) instead of a place that doesn't. Especially a print boutique that realizes that they can make 1k and more on prints they don't have to number. Oh so now it's about trust. You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector. After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps.
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